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UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:14 am

Based off of UA's website they are adding LAX-RSW/TPA and SFO-RSW

LAX-TPA begins 11/1

LAX/SFO-RSW begins 12/16
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Re: UA Expands Cali->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:25 am

Last I checked, UA doesn't serve CLO. Maybe you're thinking of California?
 
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Re: UA Expands Cali->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:31 am

Looks like SFO-TPA goes to 2x on 12/16 as well.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:43 am

This is a thread on new routes, not politics. Let's discuss the routes.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:03 am

The race to figure out what Winter will look like begins. I’m expecting a ton of the same; Florida, California, Arizona. Places people can go outside. Not much different than pre-COVID, but perhaps magnified now that we know how well the virus spreads when its cold and we’re packed inside.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:27 pm

Come on United join in on the FLL-LAX game with the others!
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:36 pm

Good for UA. LAX-TPA is suddenly quite overcrowded.

RSW transcon are a little surprising. They probably do well enough in winter and spring, but not summer.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:52 pm

There are some more nonstop routes that UA could add out of LAX once demand recovers to better compete against AA, DL, and WN in the LAX market such as the return of LAX-ABQ/DFW/MSY/PHL/PDX nonstop service and the addition of LAX-ATL/FLL/IND/MCI/BNA/STL nonstop service.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:05 pm

LAX-TPA/RSW are interesting. #3 at LAX to #4 (mainline) at TPA for 2019, and not even in the top 5 at RSW. LAX-TPA already has DL and AA non-stops.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:51 pm

jplatts wrote:
There are some more nonstop routes that UA could add out of LAX once demand recovers to better compete against AA, DL, and WN in the LAX market such as the return of LAX-ABQ/DFW/MSY/PHL/PDX nonstop service and the addition of LAX-ATL/FLL/IND/MCI/BNA/STL nonstop service.


If only UAL had the gates at LAX to do that.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:56 pm

MCO gets a 3rd daily flight from LAX too.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:03 pm

FlyHossD wrote:
jplatts wrote:
There are some more nonstop routes that UA could add out of LAX once demand recovers to better compete against AA, DL, and WN in the LAX market such as the return of LAX-ABQ/DFW/MSY/PHL/PDX nonstop service and the addition of LAX-ATL/FLL/IND/MCI/BNA/STL nonstop service.


If only UAL had the gates at LAX to do that.


Right now, they do. I believe all T7/8 gates are now available at LAX, following upgrades, and the business-heavy schedules to SFO, EWR, IAD, etc. are still substantially reduced. So, there's a lot of slack and the opportunity cost of adding marginal, leisure-oriented flying is completely different in 2021 vs. 2017-2019.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:27 pm

Would be great to see UA create a focus city in either TPA or MCO. Glad to see UA expanding LAX again. United was the only airline I would choose out of LAX in the 1990s and 2000s. It is too bad they gave up gates at LAX.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:38 pm

Anyone think this up tick in FLA to West Coast is a result of population having moved from NYC area to Florida full time residents being able to WFH and avoid NY state income tax? More of a shift of potential business traffic instead of incremental VFR?
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:53 pm

RSW is the gateway to a whole swath of upscale but not overpriced Florida Gulf Coast, including Fort Myers proper, Naples, and Marco Island, home to a large and very popular JW Marriott resort, among other hotels. This is definitely the kind of place I can see UA's frequent flyers in LAX and SFO taking advantage of during the winter. Nice identification of an unserved (nonstop) niche!
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:02 pm

stxbohn wrote:
Anyone think this up tick in FLA to West Coast is a result of population having moved from NYC area to Florida full time residents being able to WFH and avoid NY state income tax? More of a shift of potential business traffic instead of incremental VFR?

So New Yorkers living in Florida who now need to travel to California for business? No. Look at the start dates: Nov and Dec. This is designed for Californians looking for winter getaways.

Pi7472000 wrote:
Would be great to see UA create a focus city in either TPA or MCO.

Very unlikely, IMHO. Way too much low-fare competition in those cities and not enough biz demand once that segment starts coming back. Will they potentially add more P2P routes to those 2 cities? Sure. But trying to set up a focus city like what AA is doing in AUS would be a huge waste of money and resources. UA can't take on WN, B6, and NK at MCO at their cost structure.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:40 pm

Pi7472000 wrote:
Would be great to see UA create a focus city in either TPA or MCO. Glad to see UA expanding LAX again. United was the only airline I would choose out of LAX in the 1990s and 2000s. It is too bad they gave up gates at LAX.


We used to have a mini hub in Orlando at the time we had big plans for Orlando the plan was to build the MOC II in Orlando and move those ops from Miami, but Indy gave us a sweet deal we could not turn down.

FROM ORLANDO

To Boston:
1:55pm (737)
6:50pm (737)

To Chicago Midway
8:50am (737)
2:05pm (737)
7:55pm (737)

To Chicago O'Hare
7:00am (737)
9:05am (757)
12:50pm (DC10)
7:10pm (737)

To Denver:
9:05am (737)
5:55pm (737)

To Fort Lauderdale:
11:05am (737)
3:40pm (737)
9:15pm (757)

To Fort Myers:
11:05am (737)
3:45pm (737)
9:15pm (737)

To Hartford/Springfield
1:55pm (737)

To Jacksonville:
9:20pm (737)

To Los Angeles:
9:00am (757)

To Mexico City:
11:10am (737)

To Miami:
11:05am (737)
3:45pm (737)
6:45pm (737)
9:15pm (737)

To Newark:
8:43am (737)
1:55pm (737)
6:45pm (737)

To New York LaGuardia
9:00am (737)
2:05pm (737)
6:58pm (737)

To San Francisco:
8:45am (757)

To Sarasota:
11:10am (737)
3:50pm (737)
9:25pm (737)

To Tampa:
9:30pm (757)

To Washington Dulles:
9:30am (737)
1:25pm (737)
3:28pm (737)
6:55pm (727)

To Washington National:
2:05pm (727)
6:56pm (737)

To West Palm Beach:
11:15am (737)
3:45pm (737)
9:15pm (737)

April 1993 MCO (63 daily flights)

BOS 2 737, ORD 2 757, 3 DC-10, 1 727- DEN 2 757, 1 737- RSW 1 J31, 2 737, 1 757- JAX 3 J31, 1 737- LAX 1 757- MLB 3 J31- MEX 1 737- MIA 4 J31, 2 737, 2 757- FLL 3 J31, 1 727, 1 737, 1 DC-10- MKE 1 737- EWR 3 737, 1 727- LGA 1 727, 3 737- SFO 1 DC-10- SRQ 1 J31, 1 727, 1 737-TPA 1 J31, 1 727, 1 757- DCA 3 737- IAD 2 737, 1 767- PBI 3 737.

April 1994 ( 42 daily flights)

ORD 2 757, 1 DC-10, 1 737- DEN 1 757, 2 737- RSW 5 J31, 1 737- JAX 3 J31- LAX 1 757- MEX 1 737- MIA 7 J31, 2 757- FLL 1 757- SFO 1 DC-10- SRQ 3 J31, 1 757- TPA 1 J31- IAD 1 727, 1 737, 2 757- PBI 3 J31, 1 757.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:52 pm

Pi7472000 wrote:
Would be great to see UA create a focus city in either TPA or MCO. Glad to see UA expanding LAX again. United was the only airline I would choose out of LAX in the 1990s and 2000s. It is too bad they gave up gates at LAX.


UA unofficially had one in FLL after UA merged with CO through 2013 (they added back UA service and covered almost all the hubs) but more importantly had a heavy code share with Gulfstream that they ditched very shortly after that.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:04 pm

01pewterz28 wrote:
Pi7472000 wrote:
Would be great to see UA create a focus city in either TPA or MCO. Glad to see UA expanding LAX again. United was the only airline I would choose out of LAX in the 1990s and 2000s. It is too bad they gave up gates at LAX.


We used to have a mini hub in Orlando at the time we had big plans for Orlando the plan was to build the MOC II in Orlando and move those ops from Miami, but Indy gave us a sweet deal we could not turn down.

FROM ORLANDO

To Boston:
1:55pm (737)
6:50pm (737)

To Chicago Midway
8:50am (737)
2:05pm (737)
7:55pm (737)

To Chicago O'Hare
7:00am (737)
9:05am (757)
12:50pm (DC10)
7:10pm (737)

To Denver:
9:05am (737)
5:55pm (737)

To Fort Lauderdale:
11:05am (737)
3:40pm (737)
9:15pm (757)

To Fort Myers:
11:05am (737)
3:45pm (737)
9:15pm (737)

To Hartford/Springfield
1:55pm (737)

To Jacksonville:
9:20pm (737)

To Los Angeles:
9:00am (757)

To Mexico City:
11:10am (737)

To Miami:
11:05am (737)
3:45pm (737)
6:45pm (737)
9:15pm (737)

To Newark:
8:43am (737)
1:55pm (737)
6:45pm (737)

To New York LaGuardia
9:00am (737)
2:05pm (737)
6:58pm (737)

To San Francisco:
8:45am (757)

To Sarasota:
11:10am (737)
3:50pm (737)
9:25pm (737)

To Tampa:
9:30pm (757)

To Washington Dulles:
9:30am (737)
1:25pm (737)
3:28pm (737)
6:55pm (727)

To Washington National:
2:05pm (727)
6:56pm (737)

To West Palm Beach:
11:15am (737)
3:45pm (737)
9:15pm (737)

April 1993 MCO (63 daily flights)

BOS 2 737, ORD 2 757, 3 DC-10, 1 727- DEN 2 757, 1 737- RSW 1 J31, 2 737, 1 757- JAX 3 J31, 1 737- LAX 1 757- MLB 3 J31- MEX 1 737- MIA 4 J31, 2 737, 2 757- FLL 3 J31, 1 727, 1 737, 1 DC-10- MKE 1 737- EWR 3 737, 1 727- LGA 1 727, 3 737- SFO 1 DC-10- SRQ 1 J31, 1 727, 1 737-TPA 1 J31, 1 727, 1 757- DCA 3 737- IAD 2 737, 1 767- PBI 3 737.

April 1994 ( 42 daily flights)

ORD 2 757, 1 DC-10, 1 737- DEN 1 757, 2 737- RSW 5 J31, 1 737- JAX 3 J31- LAX 1 757- MEX 1 737- MIA 7 J31, 2 757- FLL 1 757- SFO 1 DC-10- SRQ 3 J31, 1 757- TPA 1 J31- IAD 1 727, 1 737, 2 757- PBI 3 J31, 1 757.


The early 1990s United hub at MCO is one of my favorite topics of discussion on A-net, If I recall correctly they also had the McDonalds Happy Meal promotion around the same time period.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:13 pm

UALFAson wrote:
RSW is the gateway to a whole swath of upscale but not overpriced Florida Gulf Coast, including Fort Myers proper, Naples, and Marco Island, home to a large and very popular JW Marriott resort, among other hotels. This is definitely the kind of place I can see UA's frequent flyers in LAX and SFO taking advantage of during the winter. Nice identification of an unserved (nonstop) niche!


Alaska flies LAXRSW. California-Ft. Meyers is grossly overserved with three dailies. Let’s see.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:22 pm

I’d be pleasantly surprised to see Alaska keep their LAX-RSW. RSW is arguably way overserved to LAX now. SFO should be fine as seasonal. At least UA has loads of connection opportunities there.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:00 pm

UALFAson wrote:
RSW is the gateway to a whole swath of upscale but not overpriced Florida Gulf Coast, including Fort Myers proper, Naples, and Marco Island, home to a large and very popular JW Marriott resort, among other hotels. This is definitely the kind of place I can see UA's frequent flyers in LAX and SFO taking advantage of during the winter. Nice identification of an unserved (nonstop) niche!


Not to mention that if you transplanted to LA from the somewhere in the Midwest, you could have family living part-time or full-time on Florida's west coast. My brother-in-law and his wife, both falling in that category, have both sets of parents near RSW.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:13 pm

STT757 wrote:
01pewterz28 wrote:
Pi7472000 wrote:
Would be great to see UA create a focus city in either TPA or MCO. Glad to see UA expanding LAX again. United was the only airline I would choose out of LAX in the 1990s and 2000s. It is too bad they gave up gates at LAX.


We used to have a mini hub in Orlando at the time we had big plans for Orlando the plan was to build the MOC II in Orlando and move those ops from Miami, but Indy gave us a sweet deal we could not turn down.

FROM ORLANDO

To Boston:
1:55pm (737)
6:50pm (737)

To Chicago Midway
8:50am (737)
2:05pm (737)
7:55pm (737)

To Chicago O'Hare
7:00am (737)
9:05am (757)
12:50pm (DC10)
7:10pm (737)

To Denver:
9:05am (737)
5:55pm (737)

To Fort Lauderdale:
11:05am (737)
3:40pm (737)
9:15pm (757)

To Fort Myers:
11:05am (737)
3:45pm (737)
9:15pm (737)

To Hartford/Springfield
1:55pm (737)

To Jacksonville:
9:20pm (737)

To Los Angeles:
9:00am (757)

To Mexico City:
11:10am (737)

To Miami:
11:05am (737)
3:45pm (737)
6:45pm (737)
9:15pm (737)

To Newark:
8:43am (737)
1:55pm (737)
6:45pm (737)

To New York LaGuardia
9:00am (737)
2:05pm (737)
6:58pm (737)

To San Francisco:
8:45am (757)

To Sarasota:
11:10am (737)
3:50pm (737)
9:25pm (737)

To Tampa:
9:30pm (757)

To Washington Dulles:
9:30am (737)
1:25pm (737)
3:28pm (737)
6:55pm (727)

To Washington National:
2:05pm (727)
6:56pm (737)

To West Palm Beach:
11:15am (737)
3:45pm (737)
9:15pm (737)

April 1993 MCO (63 daily flights)

BOS 2 737, ORD 2 757, 3 DC-10, 1 727- DEN 2 757, 1 737- RSW 1 J31, 2 737, 1 757- JAX 3 J31, 1 737- LAX 1 757- MLB 3 J31- MEX 1 737- MIA 4 J31, 2 737, 2 757- FLL 3 J31, 1 727, 1 737, 1 DC-10- MKE 1 737- EWR 3 737, 1 727- LGA 1 727, 3 737- SFO 1 DC-10- SRQ 1 J31, 1 727, 1 737-TPA 1 J31, 1 727, 1 757- DCA 3 737- IAD 2 737, 1 767- PBI 3 737.

April 1994 ( 42 daily flights)

ORD 2 757, 1 DC-10, 1 737- DEN 1 757, 2 737- RSW 5 J31, 1 737- JAX 3 J31- LAX 1 757- MEX 1 737- MIA 7 J31, 2 757- FLL 1 757- SFO 1 DC-10- SRQ 3 J31, 1 757- TPA 1 J31- IAD 1 727, 1 737, 2 757- PBI 3 J31, 1 757.


The early 1990s United hub at MCO is one of my favorite topics of discussion on A-net, If I recall correctly they also had the McDonalds Happy Meal promotion around the same time period.

They had the Happy Meals all through the 1990s. You can still find the toys on eBay, which was one of the McDonaldland characters in a UA 744. Supposedly they had the meals until 9/11, but I don’t remember seeing them past 1997 or so.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:38 pm

FLYKTPA wrote:
SFO should be fine as seasonal. At least UA has loads of connection opportunities there.

With UA's current abysmal SFO route network.... not really. UA's SFO route network is still bare-bones at the moment. If things drastically improve from now and UA finally begins to actually rebuild SFO, then they can certainly offer a decent connecting schedule for passengers.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:46 pm

AC4500 wrote:
FLYKTPA wrote:
SFO should be fine as seasonal. At least UA has loads of connection opportunities there.

With UA's current abysmal SFO route network.... not really. UA's SFO route network is still bare-bones at the moment. If things drastically improve from now and UA finally begins to actually rebuild SFO, then they can certainly offer a decent connecting schedule for passengers.


There are still some more domestic adds that UA could make out of SFO such as the return of SFO-CVG/BDL nonstop service and the addition of SFO-CLT/DSM/MEM/TUL nonstop service.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:51 pm

STT757 wrote:
01pewterz28 wrote:
Pi7472000 wrote:
Would be great to see UA create a focus city in either TPA or MCO. Glad to see UA expanding LAX again. United was the only airline I would choose out of LAX in the 1990s and 2000s. It is too bad they gave up gates at LAX.


We used to have a mini hub in Orlando at the time we had big plans for Orlando the plan was to build the MOC II in Orlando and move those ops from Miami, but Indy gave us a sweet deal we could not turn down.

FROM ORLANDO

To Boston:
1:55pm (737)
6:50pm (737)

To Chicago Midway
8:50am (737)
2:05pm (737)
7:55pm (737)

To Chicago O'Hare
7:00am (737)
9:05am (757)
12:50pm (DC10)
7:10pm (737)

To Denver:
9:05am (737)
5:55pm (737)

To Fort Lauderdale:
11:05am (737)
3:40pm (737)
9:15pm (757)

To Fort Myers:
11:05am (737)
3:45pm (737)
9:15pm (737)

To Hartford/Springfield
1:55pm (737)

To Jacksonville:
9:20pm (737)

To Los Angeles:
9:00am (757)

To Mexico City:
11:10am (737)

To Miami:
11:05am (737)
3:45pm (737)
6:45pm (737)
9:15pm (737)

To Newark:
8:43am (737)
1:55pm (737)
6:45pm (737)

To New York LaGuardia
9:00am (737)
2:05pm (737)
6:58pm (737)

To San Francisco:
8:45am (757)

To Sarasota:
11:10am (737)
3:50pm (737)
9:25pm (737)

To Tampa:
9:30pm (757)

To Washington Dulles:
9:30am (737)
1:25pm (737)
3:28pm (737)
6:55pm (727)

To Washington National:
2:05pm (727)
6:56pm (737)

To West Palm Beach:
11:15am (737)
3:45pm (737)
9:15pm (737)

April 1993 MCO (63 daily flights)

BOS 2 737, ORD 2 757, 3 DC-10, 1 727- DEN 2 757, 1 737- RSW 1 J31, 2 737, 1 757- JAX 3 J31, 1 737- LAX 1 757- MLB 3 J31- MEX 1 737- MIA 4 J31, 2 737, 2 757- FLL 3 J31, 1 727, 1 737, 1 DC-10- MKE 1 737- EWR 3 737, 1 727- LGA 1 727, 3 737- SFO 1 DC-10- SRQ 1 J31, 1 727, 1 737-TPA 1 J31, 1 727, 1 757- DCA 3 737- IAD 2 737, 1 767- PBI 3 737.

April 1994 ( 42 daily flights)

ORD 2 757, 1 DC-10, 1 737- DEN 1 757, 2 737- RSW 5 J31, 1 737- JAX 3 J31- LAX 1 757- MEX 1 737- MIA 7 J31, 2 757- FLL 1 757- SFO 1 DC-10- SRQ 3 J31, 1 757- TPA 1 J31- IAD 1 727, 1 737, 2 757- PBI 3 J31, 1 757.


The early 1990s United hub at MCO is one of my favorite topics of discussion on A-net, If I recall correctly they also had the McDonalds Happy Meal promotion around the same time period.


Yes sir those ran into early 2001
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:58 pm

Pi7472000 wrote:
Would be great to see UA create a focus city in either TPA or MCO. Glad to see UA expanding LAX again. United was the only airline I would choose out of LAX in the 1990s and 2000s. It is too bad they gave up gates at LAX.


I could see TPA. But MCO already has WN. B6, DL, NK & F9. Why enter an already crowded market when you have a higher cost structure.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:02 pm

01pewterz28 wrote:
Pi7472000 wrote:
Would be great to see UA create a focus city in either TPA or MCO. Glad to see UA expanding LAX again. United was the only airline I would choose out of LAX in the 1990s and 2000s. It is too bad they gave up gates at LAX.


We used to have a mini hub in Orlando at the time we had big plans for Orlando the plan was to build the MOC II in Orlando and move those ops from Miami, but Indy gave us a sweet deal we could not turn down.


Sort of. The deciding factor the MOC II went to IND was because of Evan Bayh who was Governor at the time. The view around the halls of UA were he could be a Presidential candidate at a recent point and UA didn't want to miss the opportunity. DEN was very upset because they promised UA the moon in gold to build it and were led on by UA only to see it taken away.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:56 pm

tphuang wrote:
RSW transcon are a little surprising. They probably do well enough in winter and spring, but not summer.


Been a while since you've visited RSW in the summer has it? The place is booming with traffic and just about every gate was full when I was leaving there two weeks ago. Could not even get into Dewer's in the C concourse.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:58 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Alaska flies LAXRSW. California-Ft. Meyers is grossly overserved with three dailies. Let’s see.


Should we take points away for incorrect spelling? :razz: Ft. Myers.

As was mentioned in another post, RSW the gateway to Naples, Marco Island, Sanibel/Captiva Island and even up Charlotte Harbor/Punta Gorda.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:10 pm

IAHFLYR wrote:
tphuang wrote:
RSW transcon are a little surprising. They probably do well enough in winter and spring, but not summer.


Been a while since you've visited RSW in the summer has it? The place is booming with traffic and just about every gate was full when I was leaving there two weeks ago. Could not even get into Dewer's in the C concourse.


I haven't been there in summer time, but I have seen the number of flights loaded into RSW in summer time vs winter/spring. There is definitely a drop off.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:13 pm

While it does drop off compared to winter, it’s not nearly as seasonal as it used to be.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:15 pm

IAHFLYR wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Alaska flies LAXRSW. California-Ft. Meyers is grossly overserved with three dailies. Let’s see.


Should we take points away for incorrect spelling? :razz: Ft. Myers.

As was mentioned in another post, RSW the gateway to Naples, Marco Island, Sanibel/Captiva Island and even up Charlotte Harbor/Punta Gorda.


Yes, totally, I'm from Florida, I realize what it's a gateway for. It's very popular with Midwesterners and Germans, not West Coasters, not even really East Coasters. It's way too much capacity when you also include Alaska's service to LAX and SEA. It'll probably operate, but will it all come back next season? Doubt it.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:59 pm

jplatts wrote:
There are still some more domestic adds that UA could make out of SFO such as the return of SFO-CVG/BDL nonstop service and the addition of SFO-CLT/DSM/MEM/TUL nonstop service.


Except NONE of those flights would connect with SFO-RSW, which is what we're talking about here.

I appreciate your contributions to this site, but rattling off a list of hypothetical routes is not the answer to every question or needs to be done for every thread, which you have a tendency to do.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:03 pm

To me, this shows that airlines don’t see a big business travel rebound towards the end of the year like many are predicting. To be allocating resources to long transcons to secondary Florida instead of building back pre-pandemic schedules in the Winter shows they expect perhaps a steep travel dropoff come Fall.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:27 am

MaxTrimm wrote:
To me, this shows that airlines don’t see a big business travel rebound towards the end of the year like many are predicting. To be allocating resources to long transcons to secondary Florida instead of building back pre-pandemic schedules in the Winter shows they expect perhaps a steep travel dropoff come Fall.


I think that's a given.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:35 am

MaxTrimm wrote:
To me, this shows that airlines don’t see a big business travel rebound towards the end of the year like many are predicting. To be allocating resources to long transcons to secondary Florida instead of building back pre-pandemic schedules in the Winter shows they expect perhaps a steep travel dropoff come Fall.


Why would business travel pick up this winter, nothing has dramatically changed to suggest that? When winter also usually means people in cold climates are flying to beaches and warm climates? I also wouldn't call TPA a secondary FL city, RSW maybe, but RSW has the money.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:06 am

As someone who is unfamiliar with the Florida markets, how does RSW compare size-wise, economic-wise, and popularity-wise to PBI and JAX? When I think of Florida (as a person from Northern California) I think of MCO, MIA, and FLL. Happy about this addition, but I'm also just wondering what even warrants these flights to RSW since it's not the first place west coast tourists think of...
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:12 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
MCO gets a 3rd daily flight from LAX too.

That would make LAX-MCO up to 11x daily.

4x DL
3x UA
3x AA
1x JB, but I don't think it operates daily
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:21 am

sfojvjets wrote:
As someone who is unfamiliar with the Florida markets, how does RSW compare size-wise, economic-wise, and popularity-wise to PBI and JAX? When I think of Florida (as a person from Northern California) I think of MCO, MIA, and FLL. Happy about this addition, but I'm also just wondering what even warrants these flights to RSW since it's not the first place west coast tourists think of...

Ft. Myers is the fastest growing city in the US based on some metrics. I'm a native Floridian, who lives in LA, and when I think of Ft Myers, I think of sleepy retirement town with a nice beach with really hot water. In my 35 years in Florida, I only visited one time, and didn't feel a need to go back. Jacksonville is a whole different vibe, as it's much more Southern in culture.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:47 am

RSW and the region has a growing biotech and IT/Cloud computing on the cutting edge of the ecosystem. Is it SJC, AUS, BOS, RDU? Hardly. But it's on the trajectory to be an enviro/bio/tech hub in the future. Do they see long term opportunity here?
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:30 am

rbavfan wrote:
Pi7472000 wrote:
Would be great to see UA create a focus city in either TPA or MCO. Glad to see UA expanding LAX again. United was the only airline I would choose out of LAX in the 1990s and 2000s. It is too bad they gave up gates at LAX.


I could see TPA. But MCO already has WN. B6, DL, NK & F9. Why enter an already crowded market when you have a higher cost structure.


TPA could work, development is exploding here and more and more people are moving here every day, there’s actually a lot more wealth in this Bay Area than people realize, combine that with an extremely user friendly airport, no congestion and UA’s fairly light SE footprint I believe it’s quite an opportunity
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:39 pm

The early 1990s United hub at MCO is one of my favorite topics of discussion on A-net, If I recall correctly they also had the McDonalds Happy Meal promotion around the same time period.[/quote]

I still have a couple of the small United/McD hangers .. with a little 747 and Ronald McDonald .. cute!
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:41 pm

UALFAson wrote:
jplatts wrote:
There are still some more domestic adds that UA could make out of SFO such as the return of SFO-CVG/BDL nonstop service and the addition of SFO-CLT/DSM/MEM/TUL nonstop service.


Except NONE of those flights would connect with SFO-RSW, which is what we're talking about here.

I appreciate your contributions to this site, but rattling off a list of hypothetical routes is not the answer to every question or needs to be done for every thread, which you have a tendency to do.


He was responding to a post that responded to another one that the SFO hub isn't what it used to be which is more relevant than the discussion of a past and potential future MCO hub.

I appreciate his contributions too and if I were an airline CEO, I would totally want to have someone like him around to give such a thorough snapshot of the competitive landscape of any given market so quickly, especially as fast as things change now.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:47 pm

STT757 wrote:
The early 1990s United hub at MCO is one of my favorite topics of discussion on A-net, If I recall correctly they also had the McDonalds Happy Meal promotion around the same time period.


Same here, especially because at the same time Delta had a decent size hub there and United was also building up MIA with the recent purchase of Pan Am's Latin American routes.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:43 pm

sfojvjets wrote:
As someone who is unfamiliar with the Florida markets, how does RSW compare size-wise, economic-wise, and popularity-wise to PBI and JAX? When I think of Florida (as a person from Northern California) I think of MCO, MIA, and FLL. Happy about this addition, but I'm also just wondering what even warrants these flights to RSW since it's not the first place west coast tourists think of...

Fairly interesting to consider. Starting off with JAX's 4 counties, you are looking at 1.475 million people. For comparison, TPA's 4 counties are 3.098 million, MCO's 4 counties are 2.508 and RSW's 3 counties are 1.289. However, TPA and MCO both likely draw beyond these. SRQ, before seeing the recent surge in service, likely saw a good amount of traffic between Manatee and Sarasota counties lost to TPA. That is over 800,000, pushing TPA arguably to 4 million. Polk county, between TPA and MCO is another 700,000, though MCO probably draws a larger share. MCO then draws from Brevard and Volusia, another 1.1 million.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:04 am

afcjets wrote:
STT757 wrote:
The early 1990s United hub at MCO is one of my favorite topics of discussion on A-net, If I recall correctly they also had the McDonalds Happy Meal promotion around the same time period.


Same here, especially because at the same time Delta had a decent size hub there and United was also building up MIA with the recent purchase of Pan Am's Latin American routes.


I recall this. UA's MIA hub was still going strong when I flew through it in February 2000 flying UA DCA-MIA and MIA-ORD-EWR going on Winter break to the Bahamas. When we arrived on the DCA-MIA UA 727 flight (EWR-ORD-MIA got cancelled due to snow so we went to EWR and they re-booked us out of DCA and drove there in a rental car) the UA terminal was quite busy with all the South America connections at the time. We got served a steak dinner in coach on the 727. On the way back, we stayed at the MIA hotel and back then they had an elevator from the terminal into the hotel which went to an outdoor rooftop hotel pool where you could witness all the takeoff action while swimming. It was sick, absolutely pre-9/11 and I can't imagine it's still around (I was in 7th grade at the time).

UA on MIA-ORD was on a brand new 777 and ORD-EWR was a 757. Back then they still served a cheeseburger in coach on ORD-EWR lol.

sfojvjets wrote:
As someone who is unfamiliar with the Florida markets, how does RSW compare size-wise, economic-wise, and popularity-wise to PBI and JAX? When I think of Florida (as a person from Northern California) I think of MCO, MIA, and FLL. Happy about this addition, but I'm also just wondering what even warrants these flights to RSW since it's not the first place west coast tourists think of...


Rule of thumb for me is Midwest "Snowbirds" head to the West Coast of Florida (TPA / RSW) and East Coast "Snowbirds" head to the East Coast (MIA / FLL) during the Winter. I think JAX / PBI is a combo of both Midwest + East Coast "Snowbirds" & MCO is always going to have tourist traffic from California in some way year-round. However, I don't see much demand on LAX/SFO-RSW even during the Winter (TPA also slim pickings as well). From Denver, definitely, but not Los Angeles. Generally speaking, there's not much of a reason to leave L.A. living in the South Bay during the Winter when chance are in it can be on the same level of warmth in say Naples, FL as it would be where I live in Redondo Beach, CA.
 
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Re: UA Expands California->Florida (LAX-TPA/RSW, SFO-RSW)

Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:05 pm

Can't speak of Ft. Myers but living in Naples for almost 37 years the mid-west connection is rapidly dying and its all about Boston. Jet Blue in season has run as many as 8-9 trips a day BOS-RSW. No other city in the U,S. is served more frequently. That said there is very little connection with the West Coast so I wonder how well these flights will do.

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