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Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Order A359/737-900ER

Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:18 pm

Based on internal rumors and recent hints from the VP of Flight Operations, Delta could announce an aircraft order in the coming days for around 7 A350s and 27-30 used 737s.
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:24 pm

Not surprised and there are likely 737s around. Where are the used 350s from? United? :rotfl: (j/k)
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:25 pm

tlecam wrote:
Not surprised and there are likely 737s around. Where are the used 350s from? United? :rotfl: (j/k)


LATAM just got rid of all of theirs, so that'd make sense.
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:52 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
tlecam wrote:
Not surprised and there are likely 737s around. Where are the used 350s from? United? :rotfl: (j/k)


LATAM just got rid of all of theirs, so that'd make sense.


Why did they get rid of there's and for what aircraft? Those things are pretty much brand spanking new no?
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:56 pm

jwjsamster wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
tlecam wrote:
Not surprised and there are likely 737s around. Where are the used 350s from? United? :rotfl: (j/k)


LATAM just got rid of all of theirs, so that'd make sense.


Why did they get rid of there's and for what aircraft? Those things are pretty much brand spanking new no?

LATAM is in bankruptcy. They decided to drop the A350 fleet and focus on the larger 787 fleet for now (although they have also returned some 787s to lessors).

Some of LATAM’s are new, but they also had a handful of early builds.
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:00 pm

Does anyone know what differences there are between DL A350s and ex-LATAM Brasil A350s, other than cabin and other airline-specific branding? Would there be operational limitations with the former LATAM birds? Edit: some are very early builds, so I suspect those would not be as optimal. On the other hand, it would be incredibly ironic considering DL paid $40M to get out of buying 4 A350s from LATAM.
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:15 pm

T773ER wrote:
Based on internal rumors and recent hints from the VP of Flight Operations, Delta could announce an aircraft order in the coming days for around 7 A350s and 27-30 used 737s.


If DL has the cash on hand and the price is right, why not. As they say on wall street, buy when there's blood in the streets.
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:20 pm

Any idea where the 737s would come from?
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:27 pm

If they’re buying used 737s why didn’t they just keep the 73Gs?
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:29 pm

SXDFC wrote:
Any idea where the 737s would come from?


american? Aeromexico?
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:32 pm

Norwegian MAX 8’s? :stirthepot:
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:41 pm

At least some Boeings would be nice, even if used. I just hope a miracle happens someday that Delta places a major Boeing order. Hopefully the next CEO is more open to it.
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:42 pm

SunsetLimited wrote:
Norwegian MAX 8’s? :stirthepot:


Yeah I don’t think it’s 73NGs, they just retired ten relatively new 73Gs. I’m guessing 737-8 Max, used or perhaps white tails?
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:46 pm

STT757 wrote:
SunsetLimited wrote:
Norwegian MAX 8’s? :stirthepot:


Yeah I don’t think it’s 73NGs, they just retired ten relatively new 73Gs. I’m guessing 737-8 Max, used or perhaps white tails?


Are there any used -900ERs available anywhere? That seems equally likely...
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:56 pm

737-800s or 900ERs would be fine. Can't imagine they would want -700s at almost any price. They may get some MAX 8s but I doubt the first bunch would be used.

It was $62 million, actually, to cancel the order for the four used LATAM A350s.

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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:02 pm

STT757 wrote:
SunsetLimited wrote:
Norwegian MAX 8’s? :stirthepot:


Yeah I don’t think it’s 73NGs, they just retired ten relatively new 73Gs. I’m guessing 737-8 Max, used or perhaps white tails?


It sounds like they will be used 900s.
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:08 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
737-800s or 900ERs would be fine. Can't imagine they would want -700s at almost any price. They may get some MAX 8s but I doubt the first bunch would be used.

It was $62 million, actually, to cancel the order for the four used LATAM A350s.


Agree on the doubt for -700s or any MAX in such small numbers. I’d think it’s an existing model on property.

W/r/t the 350‘s they cancelled at a time when times were looking very grim. Today, there is some light for their financial future, and little for some other 350 operators (LATAM, HNA, Thai, etc.). At this stage in the game, I would be surprised if they’re not paying $15mm less per frame (and it would only need to be ~$9mm if you amortize over 7 instead of 4).

I am curious how this plays out for their WB future plans. All we hear about is them retiring their smallest WB type and now this rumor about buying more of their largest. Not a very “capacity diligent Delta” thing to do. I could see this leading to a swap of new build 359s for 339s. We shall see…
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:37 pm

STT757 wrote:
SunsetLimited wrote:
Norwegian MAX 8’s? :stirthepot:


Yeah I don’t think it’s 73NGs, they just retired ten relatively new 73Gs. I’m guessing 737-8 Max, used or perhaps white tails?


They retired the 737-700s to get rid of a subfleet. DL has significant fleets of -800s and -900ERs, which would be cost effective to add.

There are only 10 remaining MAX whitetails per recent reports and why would DL retire a small subfleet to literally add a small subfleet with 27-30 MAX?

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STT757 wrote:
SunsetLimited wrote:
Norwegian MAX 8’s? :stirthepot:


Yeah I don’t think it’s 73NGs, they just retired ten relatively new 73Gs. I’m guessing 737-8 Max, used or perhaps white tails?


It sounds like they will be used 900s.


I'm skeptical on this. There simply is no fleet of 30 or more 900ERs (or -900s for that matter) other than UA, AS, and Lionair - I just don't see Lionair being the source.
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:43 pm

FlyHPN wrote:
I am curious how this plays out for their WB future plans. All we hear about is them retiring their smallest WB type and now this rumor about buying more of their largest. Not a very “capacity diligent Delta” thing to do. I could see this leading to a swap of new build 359s for 339s. We shall see…


There are a few ways to think of a used A350 buy:

- they're worried that the 777/77L disposals cut too much capacity and want long-haul capability back in a hurry

- it's an opportunistic (low cost) buy... they don't really need the range but it's a cheap way to backfill 767 retirements as they push the A330neos onto those routes

- it's further commitment to fleet simplification/pilot work group simplification

If they're confident cash burn ends for good by 4Q21 and the cheap/used A350s have decent commonality with DL's A350s, why not?
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:45 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
FlyHPN wrote:
I am curious how this plays out for their WB future plans. All we hear about is them retiring their smallest WB type and now this rumor about buying more of their largest. Not a very “capacity diligent Delta” thing to do. I could see this leading to a swap of new build 359s for 339s. We shall see…


There are a few ways to think of a used A350 buy:

- they're worried that the 777/77L disposals cut too much capacity and want long-haul capability back in a hurry

- it's an opportunistic (low cost) buy... they don't really need the range but it's a cheap way to backfill 767 retirements as they push the A330neos onto those routes

- it's further commitment to fleet simplification/pilot work group simplification

If they're confident cash burn ends for good by 4Q21 and the cheap/used A350s have decent commonality with DL's A350s, why not?


Exactly, I don't see this is contrary to being "diligent" on capacity.
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:08 am

T773ER wrote:
STT757 wrote:
SunsetLimited wrote:
Norwegian MAX 8’s? :stirthepot:


Yeah I don’t think it’s 73NGs, they just retired ten relatively new 73Gs. I’m guessing 737-8 Max, used or perhaps white tails?


It sounds like they will be used 900s.


Any plans for AS to pase some of theirs out as they take on more -9MAX?
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Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:11 am

Spacepope wrote:
T773ER wrote:
STT757 wrote:

Yeah I don’t think it’s 73NGs, they just retired ten relatively new 73Gs. I’m guessing 737-8 Max, used or perhaps white tails?


It sounds like they will be used 900s.


Any plans for AS to pase some of theirs out as they take on more -9MAX?


No. AS is phasing out the A320 and has indicated add'l MAXes are for growth.
 
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Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:13 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
FlyHPN wrote:
I am curious how this plays out for their WB future plans. All we hear about is them retiring their smallest WB type and now this rumor about buying more of their largest. Not a very “capacity diligent Delta” thing to do. I could see this leading to a swap of new build 359s for 339s. We shall see…


There are a few ways to think of a used A350 buy:

- they're worried that the 777/77L disposals cut too much capacity and want long-haul capability back in a hurry

- it's an opportunistic (low cost) buy... they don't really need the range but it's a cheap way to backfill 767 retirements as they push the A330neos onto those routes

- it's further commitment to fleet simplification/pilot work group simplification

If they're confident cash burn ends for good by 4Q21 and the cheap/used A350s have decent commonality with DL's A350s, why not?


I agree it’s a good move, hence why I called out the deal I’m sure they got. Just a different move than I’m used to seeing Delta play.
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:19 am

Sounds like Delta...
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:37 am

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Any idea where the 737s would come from?



It's going to be Lion Air's 739 fleet and LATAM's 350s.

Lion Air just restructured some of their lease deals, so it's safe to say their lessors gave DL a smoking deal on their 739s.

LATAM is really the only operator that has withdraw their 350 fleets, so maybe DL can recoup some of that money from the deal to NOT take them. Pretty shortsighted of them.
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:40 am

The rumor, and is just that is used A359 and used 739ER.

We obviously can project on where the A359 are coming from but where are their used 739ERs from?
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:40 am

There was a rumor last year Boeing would cancel Delta's leases on their 717s in return for acquiring 40 white-tail 737 MAXs. Given the age of Delta's A320s, the 737 MAX 8 made some sense in this space. Instead, as some have pointed out, these could be 737-800s and 900ERs.
 
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Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:41 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
The rumor, and is just that is used A359 and used 739ER.

We obviously can project on where the A359 are coming from but where are their used 739ERs from?


Other than AS and UA, only Lionair has a enough aircraft to supply that. Others above said Lionair would be the source, I am just skeptical given concerns over Indonesian airlines.
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:00 am

Supposedly Thursday is the day.
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:02 am

this will be a very interesting announcement....how much they order and from whom they get them

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Supposedly Thursday is the day.
 
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Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:08 am

meh130 wrote:
There was a rumor last year Boeing would cancel Delta's leases on their 717s in return for acquiring 40 white-tail 737 MAXs. Given the age of Delta's A320s, the 737 MAX 8 made some sense in this space. Instead, as some have pointed out, these could be 737-800s and 900ERs.


One can't think of 10-yr old 739s as latest-and-greatest but the CASM improvement over 30-yr old A320s should be pretty good.
 
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Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:43 am

Are these meant as replacements for active older aircraft or to accelerate backfilling some of the capacity from parking the M88s/M90s (similar in size to the 739) /777s (A350 comparable)?
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:45 am

ElroyJetson wrote:
T773ER wrote:
Based on internal rumors and recent hints from the VP of Flight Operations, Delta could announce an aircraft order in the coming days for around 7 A350s and 27-30 used 737s.


If DL has the cash on hand and the price is right, why not. As they say on wall street, buy when there's blood in the streets.

Peak blood was a few months ago. ;)

This just makes sense. Delta knows how to buy used and the deals are out there.

To others: LATAM A350s and LionAir 739ERs make sense.

I see more used deals. As much as I would like to see a -9 MAX order, that takes a LEAP engine deal and I've yet to hear a rumor on that.

Delta gets to play nasty. They can take in any CFM A32x or 737NG or Pratt powered A32xNEO (I agree no small subfleets).

Kudos to DL.

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Late edit: I imagine this is backfilling already retired types such as 73G/MD-80/90. Delta will be the focus of speculation due to the pending 717 and 767 retirement.
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Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:16 am

DeltaRules wrote:
Are these meant as replacements for active older aircraft or to accelerate backfilling some of the capacity from parking the M88s/M90s (similar in size to the 739) /777s (A350 comparable)?


The B739 would be an opportunistic purchase. My bet is that some of the capacity will be used to backfill/restore lost capacity* and some of the capacity may be used to accelerate scheduled retirements (perhaps the older A320, and maybe some A319).

An A359 order would undoubtedly backfill the 777. As I've previously asserted, when DL phased out the 777, it probably did so believing it could acquire second-hand A330 and A350 in a matter that would ultimately prove cost effective.

*Remember, the MD-88's replacements are already on property, and the MD-90's scheduled replacements will be here largely before full systemwide capacity is restored ... this is probably more about backfilling the 717 and 73G, obviously not on a 1:1 basis.

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There was a rumor last year Boeing would cancel Delta's leases on their 717s in return for acquiring 40 white-tail 737 MAXs. Given the age of Delta's A320s, the 737 MAX 8 made some sense in this space. Instead, as some have pointed out, these could be 737-800s and 900ERs.


It was a rumor manufactured within these forums. The 717 leases mature within the next few years, so there was little reason to "trade" them for MAX.

A lot is written about the age of DL's A320, but... pre-COVID, DL had 62 active A320. Of those, 35 were 32V -- the remaining aircraft from NW's original order (designated "V" since they were originally delivered with drop-down IFE systems). Of these aircraft, 30 were delivered in 1992-1993; one was delivered in 1990, and four in 1991. The remaining 27 A320 were delivered from 1998-2003, making them roughly the same age as the B738 fleet.

In the 1990s, NW primarily flew its A320 on longer stage lengths, whereas the B72S and MD-82 performed shorter flights. Alas, they're not high cycle aircraft.
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:47 am

Would Alaska's A320 fleet be of interest? They have the newer CFM-56B engines and I would figure the more(most) capable MTOW since VirginAmer used them on transcons.
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:57 am

It just paid 62million for not to purchase 4 a350 last year
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:02 am

Good for Delta, I imagine the used market out there is stellar especially post pandemic.
 
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Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:05 am

chunhimlai wrote:
It just paid 62million for not to purchase 4 a350 last year


They could see things will progress more where they could get more A350s for a better price per aircraft than the 4 they were originally were getting.
 
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Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:17 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
The rumor, and is just that is used A359 and used 739ER.

We obviously can project on where the A359 are coming from but where are their used 739ERs from?


It's Lion Air.
 
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Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:22 am

End of 2022, DL was still going to be about 50-60 less large narrowbodies than the plan as of 2019.
Not to mention accelerated retirements at the bottom end of the fleet with CR2 and 717 coming up over the next 5 years.

If this is true, reality is earliest they would be in service is Summer 2022.

Widebody has a deficient as well with the 777 and accelerated 763 retirements.
 
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Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:35 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
End of 2022, DL was still going to be about 50-60 less large narrowbodies than the plan as of 2019.
Not to mention accelerated retirements at the bottom end of the fleet with CR2 and 717 coming up over the next 5 years.

If this is true, reality is earliest they would be in service is Summer 2022.

Widebody has a deficient as well with the 777 and accelerated 763 retirements.


Are 717s being retired early? I thought the fleet was coming back online. 20 years isn’t that old for a McDonnell Douglas designed narrowbody
 
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Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:38 am

How many 739s will be coming from Lionair ? Will they be plugging in the extra exit or leaving it as is? Lastly does anyone know which registrations will be the ones Delta is taking?
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How many 739s will be coming from Lionair ? Will they be plugging in the extra exit or leaving it as is? Lastly does anyone know which registrations will be the ones Delta is taking?
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You do realize that, at this point, this is a (credible) rumor...
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:09 am

Back in 2007, Delta and Lion Air were planning to set up a maintenance hub in Indonesia with investment of USD 1 billion, not sure if they did proceed with the plan. Now that they are taking their B739ER, this won't come as surprise if the used aircraft deal materilised.

Happy to see those used A350 being picked up. This will help to reduce the number of stored A350.
 
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Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:26 am

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
Back in 2007, Delta and Lion Air were planning to set up a maintenance hub in Indonesia with investment of USD 1 billion, not sure if they did proceed with the plan. Now that they are taking their B739ER, this won't come as surprise if the used aircraft deal materilised.

Happy to see those used A350 being picked up. This will help to reduce the number of stored A350.


Except the people are stating its the lessors DL is getting the aircraft from, not Lion Air. Ergo, its not a deal between DL and Lion Air. I'm still skeptical its Lion Air aircraft regardless (good deal or not, I think the perception in the US is Lion Air crashes a lot and not sure DL would want that PR right now - and yes, people other than a.net recognize and associate Lion Air with crashes).
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:55 am

jbs2886 wrote:
RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
Back in 2007, Delta and Lion Air were planning to set up a maintenance hub in Indonesia with investment of USD 1 billion, not sure if they did proceed with the plan. Now that they are taking their B739ER, this won't come as surprise if the used aircraft deal materilised.

Happy to see those used A350 being picked up. This will help to reduce the number of stored A350.


Except the people are stating its the lessors DL is getting the aircraft from, not Lion Air. Ergo, its not a deal between DL and Lion Air. I'm still skeptical its Lion Air aircraft regardless (good deal or not, I think the perception in the US is Lion Air crashes a lot and not sure DL would want that PR right now - and yes, people other than a.net recognize and associate Lion Air with crashes).

Putting the bad PR image issue aside, apart from JT, TK, UA, AS, DL itself are bigger B737-900ER users, the rest are smaller ones. This coupled with the rumour Rusdi trying to disassociate himself from Lion Air Group perhaps further fuel the rumour of JT offloading their fleet and DL is looking at them. Oh well, maybe it will just a rumour. Let's see how it goes. And yes, you are correct. If the rumour is indeed materialise, the lease will be between DL and lessors.
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:27 am

jbs2886 wrote:
I am just skeptical given concerns over Indonesian airlines.


Concerns about Indonesian airlines may be justified, but the issues have not generally been with newer planes (737s or A320s). I'm very confident Delta wouldn't touch them unless they were 100% confident. The fact they're leased by Lion rather than owned also helps.
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Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:29 am

scbriml wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
I am just skeptical given concerns over Indonesian airlines.


Concerns about Indonesian airlines may be justified, but the issues have not generally been with newer planes (737s or A320s). I'm very confident Delta wouldn't touch them unless they were 100% confident. The fact they're leased by Lion rather than owned also helps.


What? Most of the recent incidents have been 737s. Further, Lion is maintaining the same leased aircraft. It’s not really a confidence thing, it’s a perception that DL could be buying unsafe aircraft (true or not, I think that may be how it plays out to the public).
 
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Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:58 am

jbs2886 wrote:
RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
Back in 2007, Delta and Lion Air were planning to set up a maintenance hub in Indonesia with investment of USD 1 billion, not sure if they did proceed with the plan. Now that they are taking their B739ER, this won't come as surprise if the used aircraft deal materilised.

Happy to see those used A350 being picked up. This will help to reduce the number of stored A350.


Except the people are stating its the lessors DL is getting the aircraft from, not Lion Air. Ergo, its not a deal between DL and Lion Air. I'm still skeptical its Lion Air aircraft regardless (good deal or not, I think the perception in the US is Lion Air crashes a lot and not sure DL would want that PR right now - and yes, people other than a.net recognize and associate Lion Air with crashes).


You can bet the PR piece will state that they were bought from the lessor, and hardly any mention will be made as to who operated the airplanes previously. The vast majority of the flying public will not even know they are getting on an ex-Lion Air aircraft anyways.
 
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Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:16 am

jbs2886 wrote:
What? Most of the recent incidents have been 737s.


Many Indonesian incidents involve 737 overruns in bad weather (but it's not like we don't see 737 overruns outside Indonesia). Few Indonesian incidents involve newer aircraft that have been badly maintained. Poor airmanship in bad conditions is not a reflection on the plane itself.

The point about planes being leased rather than owned by Lion, is that the lessor has a very significant interest in ensuring their planes are properly maintained and documented by the operator.
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