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dtw2hyd
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Re: CX Working With Airbus on Single-Pilot System for A350 With 2025 EIS

Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:51 pm

How many CAAs are eager to approve this?
Otherwise these will be flights to nowhere or at best HKG-HKG.
2025 EIS seem to be aspirational.

On sub 10 hr missions, how will second augmented pilot get paid, and what unions think of this.

On technology side this has to a combination of real AI (not glorified use cases masqueraded as AI) and stable comm links in any flight profile for ground control to help. Both are not tested.
 
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Re: CX Working With Airbus on Single-Pilot System for A350 With 2025 EIS

Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:54 pm

But keep in mind, that many people think different. And times do change. And technologies, too. Time goes on.


I am not opposing progress in any way but I oppose this cost motivated approach before mature technologies are available. Passenger airliner safety should be the last area to experiment with.
My personal opinion is we should prefer fully automated or remote controlled airliners before we go single pilot. This is a dangerous mixture or even collision of two different cultures.
 
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Re: CX Working With Airbus on Single-Pilot System for A350 With 2025 EIS

Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:21 pm

Heinkel wrote:
Is there an official list, what the FA has to do and may do during the time in the cockpit?


Of course it is clearly defined what every crew members duties are on an aircraft are, every crew member is trained for their role. Each airline has their own approved cabin crew safety training manual that has been formally approved by their regulator (and no I am not going to post ours). Cabin crew duties do not include operating the aircraft, they do include reading a checklist, administrating first aid, opening doors, using a PA are all normal duties for them.

You can see the “6.11 Flight crew incapacitation” in this ICAO cabin crew safety training manual. http://www.aviationchief.com/uploads/9/ ... nual_1.pdf
 
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Re: CX Working With Airbus on Single-Pilot System for A350 With 2025 EIS

Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:35 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
How many CAAs are eager to approve this?


If you have been around aviation for a while you I’ll get to see ideas floated like this often by managers who are incentivize in their contract though a percentage of cost savings to float ideas that cut costs. Often they leave the organisation prior to the idea being implemented with their bonus leaving other having to pick up the pieces.

Years ago we had a manager reduce the crew complement for 4 to 3 on long haul flights, this was perfectly legal under the rules, however the regulator under these conditions required longer layovers, and it reduced the flexibility to the airline if there was a delay or sickness at the outport. Needless to say that change was reversed when it actually ended up costing the airline more in longer crew layovers, which has a direct cost for accommodation and food, it also means the crew is not available back at the home base until later, meaning they had fewer available crew available at the home base as they would be required for example to spend an extra 3 days a month at an outport resting.

dtw2hyd wrote:
On sub 10 hr missions, how will second augmented pilot get paid, and what unions think of this.


This is clearly defined, crew are on duty for the entire flight, regardless if they are resting or not. The duty only finishes after the aircraft is on blocks plus some buffer which would be enough for the passengers to deplane. This is about reducing the number of crew rostered per flight, rather than pay during rest.

dtw2hyd wrote:
On technology side this has to a combination of real AI (not glorified use cases masqueraded as AI) and stable comm links in any flight profile for ground control to help. Both are not tested.


You are not going to see either of these in a cockpit anytime soon, the FAA and EASA have been very clear about separating and sort of external network from the aircraft control.
 
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Re: CX Working With Airbus on Single-Pilot System for A350 With 2025 EIS

Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:46 pm

Heinkel wrote:

Is there an official list, what the FA has to do and may do during the time in the cockpit?

What is the FA allowed to do, other than "being just there". Is the FA allowed to touch any controls? Is the FA allowed to interfere with the pilot?

Or is the FA only there to tell the pilot not to commit suicide and only allowed to cry "HELP!" if something goes wrong?

I think this "always a second person (FA) in the cockpit" rule is just theatre to soothe the flying public.

Is there any known case, that the FA in the cockpit during a single pilot phase had to do anything and saved the day?


Purpose is to open in the door and let the other pilot in. The other pilot couldn’t get in in the GermanWings accident cause the FO had disabled the system that would have allowed him to get inside.

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