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Hong Kong government will not renew work permit for Cathay expat cabin crew

Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:43 am

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/2-hong-k ... 28270.html
The report haven't stated any reason but wordings seems to indicate a motive of local employment opportunity?
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Re: Hong Kong government will not renew work permit or Cathay expat cabin crew

Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:43 am

They stated it was due to the rising unemployment in Hong Kong, where there is plenty of past Hong Konger cabin crew having to find new work. The renewal of visas for ex-pat pilots will happen, just not for cabin crew.
 
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Re: Hong Kong government will not renew work permit or Cathay expat cabin crew

Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:06 pm

Wonder what percentage of their crew are foreign nationals? I believe they have a large number of Pilipino crew- or did they have a MNL base?
 
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Re: Hong Kong government will not renew work permit or Cathay expat cabin crew

Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:21 pm

I mean, the way people who fly at CX have been describing to me the changes in scheduling, morale, and other issues within the company pre-COVID which now most recently included huge and possibly permanent pay cuts...I think that CX may be a legacy carrier but they're obviously something else as an employer now in 2021. Much like friends I had flying for EK and FlyDubai all came home much sooner than expected with the grueling schedules and very limited days off compared to flying in the US. This investment by CX after all the recent cuts really shows you that they don't seem to value their pilot groups like legacy carriers at least usually pretend to. So sad, they used to be so prestigious.
 
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Re: Hong Kong government will not renew work permit or Cathay expat cabin crew

Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:55 pm

Does CX still have their cabin crew bases in North America? I believe they have (had?) JFK, SFO, LAX & YVR.
 
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Re: Hong Kong government will not renew work permit or Cathay expat cabin crew

Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:01 pm

I heard they are closed.
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Re: Hong Kong government will not renew work permit or Cathay expat cabin crew

Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:23 pm

NZ321 wrote:
2eng2efficient wrote:
I was going to say, good thing they are working on single-pilot A350s because they are going to need those ex-pat pilots!

Have been a regular CX flier in the 1990s and early 2000s and recently returned to CX due to changes in living / working location. Great airline, especially up front. Have flown it many times. However, I - for one - won't be flying single pilot any time soon. That is one step too far for me, given what we know at present, unless automated flying becomes proven and reliable technology. As they say, the "proof" is in the "pudding" and in the case of a proposal such as this, it takes a significant amount of time to know whether the pudding" is worth eating Good luck to CX - on this one. But I won't be a front-runner signing up for this any time soon, maybe never.

I wouldn't be too worried. Best case this happens starting in 2025, even that is in doubt. It would only apply to cruise flight periods, during take offs and landings there still will be two pilots in the cockpit. Let's see what actually happens before we get too worked up about it.
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Re: Hong Kong government will not renew work permit or Cathay expat cabin crew

Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:32 pm

I think the key thing to look at from the company's perspective is when they start paying the pilots and how do they work out the hours to be paid.
Two pilots for take-off and landing still means paying two pilots, where do you save money???? by not paying or having a different rate for the pilot sleeping versus the pilot at the joystick, I am open to how else the carrier saves money.
 
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Re: Hong Kong government will not renew work permit or Cathay expat cabin crew

Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:06 pm

a318 wrote:
Does CX still have their cabin crew bases in North America? I believe they have (had?) JFK, SFO, LAX & YVR.

I believe all overseas cabin crew and pilot bases are under consideration for permanent closure or, if not have already closed. Feeling very sad for them. God speed!
 
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Re: Hong Kong government will not renew work permit for Cathay expat cabin crew

Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:16 pm

This webpage is a good read, a bit long but you guys can get a comprehensive information what is happening at CX.

https://hongkongfp.com/2021/06/17/strif ... s-hanging/

About 300 expat pilots are flying with CX now.
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Re: Hong Kong government will not renew work permit for Cathay expat cabin crew

Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:21 pm

Always sad when crew are dismissed. How many are effected? I suspect any foreign pilot either uses the 7 year residency to be considered local, or they will be released after the next renewal.

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Re: Hong Kong government will not renew work permit or Cathay expat cabin crew

Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:41 pm

par13del wrote:
I think the key thing to look at from the company's perspective is when they start paying the pilots and how do they work out the hours to be paid.
Two pilots for take-off and landing still means paying two pilots, where do you save money???? by not paying or having a different rate for the pilot sleeping versus the pilot at the joystick, I am open to how else the carrier saves money.

On normal long haul flights you need more than two pilots because they cannot work for the entire duration of the flight and rest is needed in the flight, this procedure mean you can just rotate between the two pilots across the entire length of the flight
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Re: Hong Kong government will not renew work permit for Cathay expat cabin crew

Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:45 pm

Lots of businesses and countries all over the world benefit from ostarbeiter workers. Middle east, Norwegian crews, "undocumented immigrants" and H-1B workers in US, all cruise lines personell, etc etc etc.
Those are disposable people, with little rights and no leverage in terms of negotiations.
Sad, but being thrown under the bus for political reasons is just another aspect of being disposable. Been there..

Sad that some low paid crew is dismissed. Good that some higher paid locals will take those jobs. Lots of people in industry should be happy with raising the bar.

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