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La Compagnie adds EWR-MXP & TLV (Via ORY)

Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:18 pm

Pretty neat to see they are gonna be adding some competition onto these routes. Also happy to hear that the ORY flights are performing well.

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Re: La Compagnie adds EWR-MXP & TLV (Via ORY)

Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:50 pm

Nice adds. I wonder if the TLV add was driven primarily by their high vaccination rates, and if they'd add other similar routes when more countries open up.
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Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:55 pm

Assume that will also mean they will launch ORY-TLV as a separate route?
 
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Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:03 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Assume that will also mean they will launch ORY-TLV as a separate route?

Would assume so, though its most lucrative marketing will be as EWR-TLV. Similar to how Wow used to market BOS-CDG/STN/etc even though it was, of course, through KEF and you could buy single-leg tickets.
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Re: La Compagnie adds EWR-MXP & TLV (Via ORY)

Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:39 pm

Hopeful to see B6 offer EWR-MXP soon after the London routes kick off. La Compagnie's product is nice, but Jetblue's mint is a step above.
 
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Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:42 pm

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Hopeful to see B6 offer EWR-MXP soon after the London routes kick off. La Compagnie's product is nice, but Jetblue's mint is a step above.


What? 0% chance. That's not a city they have even looked at and it would never be from ewr. I'm not even sure that's in realistic range for their 321s
 
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Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:48 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
LX015 wrote:
Hopeful to see B6 offer EWR-MXP soon after the London routes kick off. La Compagnie's product is nice, but Jetblue's mint is a step above.


What? 0% chance. That's not a city they have even looked at and it would never be from ewr. I'm not even sure that's in realistic range for their 321s


It would be in XLR range, but can that route support 5 carriers?
 
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Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:59 pm

LX015 wrote:
Hopeful to see B6 offer EWR-MXP soon after the London routes kick off. La Compagnie's product is nice, but Jetblue's mint is a step above.


Not going to happen. MXP is likely not a priority for B6, and they have access to it through the partnership with AA at JFK.
 
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Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:04 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
LX015 wrote:
Hopeful to see B6 offer EWR-MXP soon after the London routes kick off. La Compagnie's product is nice, but Jetblue's mint is a step above.


What? 0% chance. That's not a city they have even looked at and it would never be from ewr. I'm not even sure that's in realistic range for their 321s


It would be in XLR range, but can that route support 5 carriers?


Well, it has in the past, with UA, AA, DL, Air Italy, and EK all flying it in the past (Air Italy is gone, EK suspended it due to the pandemic and has brought it back on a 77W). There's no rationale for B6 to fly EWR-MXP. B6's likely focus on TATL once LHR/LGW is built out are AMS, BRU, and PAR, and those are most likely going to be JFK routes in a few years. B6 has AA flying JFK-MXP and doesn't need to do it on its own metal.
 
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Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:26 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:

What? 0% chance. That's not a city they have even looked at and it would never be from ewr. I'm not even sure that's in realistic range for their 321s


It would be in XLR range, but can that route support 5 carriers?


Well, it has in the past, with UA, AA, DL, Air Italy, and EK all flying it in the past (Air Italy is gone, EK suspended it due to the pandemic and has brought it back on a 77W). There's no rationale for B6 to fly EWR-MXP. B6's likely focus on TATL once LHR/LGW is built out are AMS, BRU, and PAR, and those are most likely going to be JFK routes in a few years. B6 has AA flying JFK-MXP and doesn't need to do it on its own metal.


That's assuming they can work out a TA with pilot on that one. They can't place codeshares on any international flights within the range of their aircraft. JFK-MXP will be within range once they take in A321XLR.


On the main topic, I see this as an attempt to just get revenue anyway they can. I'd imagine NYC-PAR demand is way down. There is not a lot of other places La Compagnie can fly to.
 
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Re: La Compagnie adds EWR-MXP & TLV (Via ORY)

Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:59 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
LX015 wrote:
Hopeful to see B6 offer EWR-MXP soon after the London routes kick off. La Compagnie's product is nice, but Jetblue's mint is a step above.


What? 0% chance. That's not a city they have even looked at and it would never be from ewr. I'm not even sure that's in realistic range for their 321s

Well someone is living in a bubble. B6 has been pretty public about expanding all over the EU.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/simpleflyi ... odies/amp/

They have 26 long range A321’s in order. Where do you think they will fly them? Most will hit key markets in EU, a few can also do some in latam from sofla

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Re: La Compagnie adds EWR-MXP & TLV (Via ORY)

Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:47 pm

What’s the schedule looking like? Will they cut ORY flights or add more aircraft? Would be great to see them grow their fleet.

Also, any news on EWR-NCE resuming?
 
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Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:08 pm

LX015 wrote:
Hopeful to see B6 offer EWR-MXP soon after the London routes kick off. La Compagnie's product is nice, but Jetblue's mint is a step above.


EWR-MXP is out of reach of their current 321s including the LR ,you need to wait the XLR for such route ,if ever they intend to launch it (i personally doubt it)
 
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Re: La Compagnie adds EWR-MXP & TLV (Via ORY)

Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:16 pm

Milan is suicidal... EK B777, NO B787, AZ A330, DL A330, AA B777 to JFK plus UA B777 to EWR, isn't it?!
 
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Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:17 pm

tphuang wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:

It would be in XLR range, but can that route support 5 carriers?


Well, it has in the past, with UA, AA, DL, Air Italy, and EK all flying it in the past (Air Italy is gone, EK suspended it due to the pandemic and has brought it back on a 77W). There's no rationale for B6 to fly EWR-MXP. B6's likely focus on TATL once LHR/LGW is built out are AMS, BRU, and PAR, and those are most likely going to be JFK routes in a few years. B6 has AA flying JFK-MXP and doesn't need to do it on its own metal.



That's assuming they can work out a TA with pilot on that one. They can't place codeshares on any international flights within the range of their aircraft. JFK-MXP will be within range once they take in A321XLR.


On the main topic, I see this as an attempt to just get revenue anyway they can. I'd imagine NYC-PAR demand is way down. There is not a lot of other places La Compagnie can fly to.


Doesnt (didn’t) B6 already codeshare on EKs JFK-MXP leg?
 
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Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:19 pm

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What’s the schedule looking like? Will they cut ORY flights or add more aircraft? Would be great to see them grow their fleet.

Also, any news on EWR-NCE resuming?


EWR-NCE resumes July 2. It’s all in the press release!
 
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Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:20 pm

What a flashback to the days when TWA and Tower operated NYC-PAR-TLV in one form or another. Did Pan Am ever do that routing?
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Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:59 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
What a flashback to the days when TWA and Tower operated NYC-PAR-TLV in one form or another. Did Pan Am ever do that routing?

PA was via FRA, I think?
 
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Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:39 am

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Milan is suicidal... EK B777, NO B787, AZ A330, DL A330, AA B777 to JFK plus UA B777 to EWR, isn't it?!


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Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:42 am

OzarkD9S wrote:
What a flashback to the days when TWA and Tower operated NYC-PAR-TLV in one form or another. Did Pan Am ever do that routing?


Yes, Pan Am operated to TLV via CDG, and later DL did as well. The TWA flight, as I recall, was one of two services into TLV. One went via CDG, then other was nonstop (TW884/885, JFK-TLV).
 
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Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:44 am

ContinentalEWR wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:
What a flashback to the days when TWA and Tower operated NYC-PAR-TLV in one form or another. Did Pan Am ever do that routing?


Yes, Pan Am operated to TLV via CDG, and later DL did as well. The TWA flight, as I recall, was one of two services into TLV. One went via CDG, then other was nonstop (TW884/885, JFK-TLV).

Yes, and then in the later days, after the 747s were gone, it was on 762 via CDG or with a scheduled tech stop in SNN (which TW didn’t otherwise serve).
 
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Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:47 am

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Milan is suicidal... EK B777, NO B787, AZ A330, DL A330, AA B777 to JFK plus UA B777 to EWR, isn't it?!


Suicidal? It has often had this many operators. UA flies it with a 787-9 now, but pre-COVID, it was a 767-400ER for the most part, not a 777.

AZ is supposedly reinstating JFK-MXP operations in August, but within the often revised industrial plans for AZ, the route was to be dropped.

EK had flown it with the A380. Since the route resumed this year, it is flown with the 77W.

The Neos flight is 2 days a week. Air Italy flew it daily until it ceased operations.
 
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Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:49 am

khowaga wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:
What a flashback to the days when TWA and Tower operated NYC-PAR-TLV in one form or another. Did Pan Am ever do that routing?


Yes, Pan Am operated to TLV via CDG, and later DL did as well. The TWA flight, as I recall, was one of two services into TLV. One went via CDG, then other was nonstop (TW884/885, JFK-TLV).

Yes, and then in the later days, after the 747s were gone, it was on 762 via CDG or with a scheduled tech stop in SNN (which TW didn’t otherwise serve).


Tech stops on TLV-JFK were frequent and common on the 747s with TWA in winter time. When the 747's were withdrawn, JFK-TLV was flown nonstop and back on the 767-300ER. Not sure there were frequent stopovers on the 763 on TLV-JFK on TWA. The 762 never flew JFK-TLV-JFK nonstop. It didn't have the range.
 
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Re: La Compagnie adds EWR-MXP & TLV (Via ORY)

Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:30 am

ContinentalEWR wrote:
debonair wrote:
Milan is suicidal... EK B777, NO B787, AZ A330, DL A330, AA B777 to JFK plus UA B777 to EWR, isn't it?!


Suicidal? It has often had this many operators. UA flies it with a 787-9 now, but pre-COVID, it was a 767-400ER for the most part, not a 777.

AZ is supposedly reinstating JFK-MXP operations in August, but within the often revised industrial plans for AZ, the route was to be dropped.

EK had flown it with the A380. Since the route resumed this year, it is flown with the 77W.

The Neos flight is 2 days a week. Air Italy flew it daily until it ceased operations.


NO have supposedly cancelled the service due to low bookings.
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Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:37 am

ContinentalEWR wrote:
khowaga wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:

Yes, Pan Am operated to TLV via CDG, and later DL did as well. The TWA flight, as I recall, was one of two services into TLV. One went via CDG, then other was nonstop (TW884/885, JFK-TLV).

Yes, and then in the later days, after the 747s were gone, it was on 762 via CDG or with a scheduled tech stop in SNN (which TW didn’t otherwise serve).


Tech stops on TLV-JFK were frequent and common on the 747s with TWA in winter time. When the 747's were withdrawn, JFK-TLV was flown nonstop and back on the 767-300ER. Not sure there were frequent stopovers on the 763 on TLV-JFK on TWA. The 762 never flew JFK-TLV-JFK nonstop. It didn't have the range.

The SNN stopover was listed in the timetable; this was in the last year or two before the AA merger (possibly the last few months before TLV was cancelled altogether).

I remember this specifically because I thought it was weird that they did RUH-CAI-JFK on the 763 without a scheduled tech stop, whereas TLV - which is about the same distance from JFK as CAI - had one.
 
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Re: La Compagnie adds EWR-MXP & TLV (Via ORY)

Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:50 am

Is this a B6 thread or a La Compagnie thread?

I don't think United, with its 2 EWR-TLV flights and non stop to MXP is worried. La Compagnie can take the bottom feeders.
 
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Is this a B6 thread or a La Compagnie thread?

I don't think United, with its 2 EWR-TLV flights and non stop to MXP is worried. La Compagnie can take the bottom feeders.


La Compagnie will take the top feeders, not the bottom ones.
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OzarkD9S wrote:
IFlyOff wrote:
Is this a B6 thread or a La Compagnie thread?

I don't think United, with its 2 EWR-TLV flights and non stop to MXP is worried. La Compagnie can take the bottom feeders.


La Compagnie will take the top feeders, not the bottom ones.


Top feeder? Who is going to pay a premium to stop in Paris before going to Tel Aviv? Doesn’t sound very desirable to me.
 
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Can a LaCompagnie A321 with 72 biz class seats do EWR-MXP?

Here's a wish list: EWR-ORY/LHR/MXP/LED/TLV/CPH/BCN
 
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Which version of the A321NEO does La Compagnie fly?
 
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Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:09 am

Tel Aviv is a great addition, feed from New York and direct demand from Paris, I can see this route being successful and growing in frequencies in the foreseeable future.
More curious about Milan, indeed already well served for premium leisure demand, I'm assuming this is their niche market.
Makes me wonder too, with a very French name, can they really become relevant on the US-Italy market?
 
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Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:18 am

If La Compagne could get hold of a a slot in LIN that would be a unique advantage for the airline. As LIN is limited to EU destinations they would have to fly something like LIN-SNN-EWR, but a brief stop in SNN (+ preclearance?) for many could still be preferable to the trek to Malpensa.
 
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Can a LaCompagnie A321 with 72 biz class seats do EWR-MXP?

Here's a wish list: EWR-ORY/LHR/MXP/LED/TLV/CPH/BCN


I don’t see any potential for La Compagne on EWR-LED, what’s more - as a French airline they probably would never be allowed to fly it.
 
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OzarkD9S wrote:
IFlyOff wrote:
Is this a B6 thread or a La Compagnie thread?

I don't think United, with its 2 EWR-TLV flights and non stop to MXP is worried. La Compagnie can take the bottom feeders.


La Compagnie will take the top feeders, not the bottom ones.



Highly unlikely since it would require a stop at ORY first. Out of NYC we have LY,DL, UA, and even AA all offering nonstops to TLV, each of these airlines all have respectable business class cabins La Compagnie with a one stopper is no threat to anyone on this route.
 
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jayunited wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:
IFlyOff wrote:
Is this a B6 thread or a La Compagnie thread?

I don't think United, with its 2 EWR-TLV flights and non stop to MXP is worried. La Compagnie can take the bottom feeders.


La Compagnie will take the top feeders, not the bottom ones.



Highly unlikely since it would require a stop at ORY first. Out of NYC we have LY,DL, UA, and even AA all offering nonstops to TLV, each of these airlines all have respectable business class cabins La Compagnie with a one stopper is no threat to anyone on this route.


They may not get a lot of NYC-TLV traffic, but I fail to see how an all-biz class airline will be "bottom feeding", unless they offer some fares that won't cover their costs.
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Someone83 wrote:
Assume that will also mean they will launch ORY-TLV as a separate route?

Would assume so, though its most lucrative marketing will be as EWR-TLV. Similar to how Wow used to market BOS-CDG/STN/etc even though it was, of course, through KEF and you could buy single-leg tickets.


Except Iceland has 360000 people and the Paris region has 12 millions (with probably more than 360000 Jewish people).
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Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:28 am

Do they plan to acquire more airframes? It will be a tight operation with just two aircraft.
 
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Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:10 am

konkret wrote:
seat1a wrote:
Can a LaCompagnie A321 with 72 biz class seats do EWR-MXP?

Here's a wish list: EWR-ORY/LHR/MXP/LED/TLV/CPH/BCN


I don’t see any potential for La Compagne on EWR-LED, what’s more - as a French airline they probably would never be allowed to fly it.


Check.

Do you think there are ten top routes out of ORY for their aircraft? TLV/EWR/DXB come to mind. Any thoughts?
 
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Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:15 pm

seat1a wrote:
konkret wrote:
seat1a wrote:
Can a LaCompagnie A321 with 72 biz class seats do EWR-MXP?

Here's a wish list: EWR-ORY/LHR/MXP/LED/TLV/CPH/BCN


I don’t see any potential for La Compagne on EWR-LED, what’s more - as a French airline they probably would never be allowed to fly it.


Check.

Do you think there are ten top routes out of ORY for their aircraft? TLV/EWR/DXB come to mind. Any thoughts?


I don’t know if I understand your question correctly, but if La Compagnie would be expanding out of ORY they might be looking at IAD, BOS, YUL
 
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LX015 wrote:
Which version of the A321NEO does La Compagnie fly?

Fuel-tank wise it's the standard A321neo, without any of the extra fuel tanks for it to be an A321LR, though they use the Airbus Cabin Flex door configuration as seen on the A321LRs, even if only one of the three pairs of emergency exits is activated.

TexasAirCorp wrote:
What’s the schedule looking like? Will they cut ORY flights or add more aircraft? Would be great to see them grow their fleet.

Also, any news on EWR-NCE resuming?

trexel94 wrote:
Do they plan to acquire more airframes? It will be a tight operation with just two aircraft.

The ORY-EWR flights are being cut, running 6 weekly this summer compared to previous seasons (which ran at least daily or even double daily), whether it's the expected slower recovery of business/upper leisure demand, or to accomodate the TLV flights. ORY-EWR will actually run daily during winter in comparison.

If they have plans for more airframes they haven't publicly said so, but for the summer season each aircraft has a slack day where one sits in EWR on Tuesday and the other sits in ORY during Wednesday. At 12 weekly rotations, it's two down from the "no slack" 14 weekly rotations of what was planned for summer 2020, for instance. Since the stage length for ORY-TLV-ORY is short, a 15 rotations "no slack" schedule is hypothetically possible, although I doubt La Compagnie has beyond its two daily ORY slot pairs to make further expansion happen even with additional A321neos (they didn't apply for any when Aigle Azur and XL Airways' were redistributed). The scheduling during the summer would also imply there are ORY-NCE and NCE-ORY ferries on Thursday and Sunday which they might be using one pair of slots for, rather than cycling the aircraft through EWR since flights between EWR and NCE are not sold on these days.

During the winter season there are only 11 weekly rotations between a daily ORY-EWR-ORY and a 4-weekly MXP-EWR-MXP, out of the 14 possible weekly rotations (with three slack days); so while there is one more destination (MXP), there are fewer weekly rotations compared to say winter 2019, where ORY-EWR-ORY was operated 13 times weekly (with one slack day).
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Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos