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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:53 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
Delta and United says no planned changes to their routes.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-11-26/


I give it a week, tops. With 1/10 of arriving passengers from South Africa testing positive at AMS yesterday… it would be a PR (and likely financial) nightmare to continue to fly the route for now. It seems this variant truly is as contagious as they suggest


What about passengers flying to/from the US through Dubai or Qatar? Would Emirates or Qatar alert US customers traveling in South Africa to leave? Thanks.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:26 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
Delta and United says no planned changes to their routes.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-11-26/


I give it a week, tops. With 1/10 of arriving passengers from South Africa testing positive at AMS yesterday… it would be a PR (and likely financial) nightmare to continue to fly the route for now. It seems this variant truly is as contagious as they suggest


I would bet any amount of money that Omicron is already here. Time will tell if it shoves Delta out of the way.


No doubt - I agree completely. But importing cases even faster certainly doesn’t help (if anybody is even going to still be traveling between the two)
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:44 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
I give it a week, tops. With 1/10 of arriving passengers from South Africa testing positive at AMS yesterday… it would be a PR (and likely financial) nightmare to continue to fly the route for now. It seems this variant truly is as contagious as they suggest


And yet not a single positive on all Lufthansa flights to Frankfurt. It suggests that maybe the reporting from Amsterdam has been obtuse or that there may have been a problem with the testing.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health- ... SL1N2SI054
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:30 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:

I give it a week, tops. With 1/10 of arriving passengers from South Africa testing positive at AMS yesterday… it would be a PR (and likely financial) nightmare to continue to fly the route for now. It seems this variant truly is as contagious as they suggest


I would bet any amount of money that Omicron is already here. Time will tell if it shoves Delta out of the way.


No doubt - I agree completely. But importing cases even faster certainly doesn’t help (if anybody is even going to still be traveling between the two)


Ironically I’m going to be next month. If the flight goes, I’ll go with it. I’m on UA though.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:54 pm

seat1a wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
Delta and United says no planned changes to their routes.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-11-26/


I give it a week, tops. With 1/10 of arriving passengers from South Africa testing positive at AMS yesterday… it would be a PR (and likely financial) nightmare to continue to fly the route for now. It seems this variant truly is as contagious as they suggest


What about passengers flying to/from the US through Dubai or Qatar? Would Emirates or Qatar alert US customers traveling in South Africa to leave? Thanks.


It's not a ban on n/s or direct flights - it's a ban on non-citizens traveling from South Africa to the U.S. (by any means).

Given the recommendation of the CDC, working in close coordination with the Department of Homeland Security, described above, I have determined that it is in the interests of the United States to take action to suspend and restrict the entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of noncitizens of the United States (“noncitizens”) who were physically present within the Republic of Botswana, the Kingdom of Eswatini, the Kingdom of Lesotho, the Republic of Malawi, the Republic of Mozambique, the Republic of Namibia, the Republic of South Africa, and the Republic of Zimbabwe during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... ease-2019/
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:19 am

Out of curiosity - DL 201 this evening is showing diverting to BOS. Anyone have any insight into this? Seems like a decision was made very early on if not before the flight.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:40 am

DL’s JNB-ATL is being diverted (hours ahead of time) to BOS. Any idea why?
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:02 am

Interesting that its diverting to BOS. It was planned beforehand as the departure was late until 0108. In-bound was on time.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:31 am

BOS is closer great circle, so it likely has something todo with that one would assume
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:15 am

qcpilotxf wrote:
BOS is closer great circle, so it likely has something todo with that one would assume


Not asking for assumptions though…
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:44 am

jbs2886 wrote:
DL’s JNB-ATL is being diverted (hours ahead of time) to BOS. Any idea why?


Gas, needs to top off.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:23 pm

I've always wondered, is there (or has there ever been) a flight that spends more time/distance over the actual Atlantic, than ATL-JNB?

I know the present and former nonstops between JFK, EWR, MIA, IAD, and FLL from S.Africa don't.

Has there ever been another?
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:53 pm

nwadeicer wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
DL’s JNB-ATL is being diverted (hours ahead of time) to BOS. Any idea why?


Gas, needs to top off.


As I understand it, diverting to BOS was planned because it is shorter than ATL and allowed for a full load out of JNB ahead of the new travel restrictions in South Africa. Some of my coworkers indicated that it was a madhouse at the airport as many people are trying to leave the country.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:58 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
I've always wondered, is there (or has there ever been) a flight that spends more time/distance over the actual Atlantic, than ATL-JNB?

I know the present and former nonstops between JFK, EWR, MIA, IAD, and FLL from S.Africa don't.

Has there ever been another?


South America to Europe maybe.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:38 pm

evanb wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
I give it a week, tops. With 1/10 of arriving passengers from South Africa testing positive at AMS yesterday… it would be a PR (and likely financial) nightmare to continue to fly the route for now. It seems this variant truly is as contagious as they suggest


And yet not a single positive on all Lufthansa flights to Frankfurt. It suggests that maybe the reporting from Amsterdam has been obtuse or that there may have been a problem with the testing.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health- ... SL1N2SI054


Something's definitely lost in translation. A PCR test can't tell you which variant of covid you have.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:53 pm

nwadeicer wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
DL’s JNB-ATL is being diverted (hours ahead of time) to BOS. Any idea why?


Gas, needs to top off.



When this flight was a 77L and needed a tech stop, it would normally stop at SJU. I wonder why BOS was chosen instead.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:01 pm

Oilman wrote:
nwadeicer wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
DL’s JNB-ATL is being diverted (hours ahead of time) to BOS. Any idea why?


Gas, needs to top off.



When this flight was a 77L and needed a tech stop, it would normally stop at SJU. I wonder why BOS was chosen instead.



Crew availability. BOS is closer to DTW and ATL (A350 pilot based) than SJU is.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:07 pm

Clipper73 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
I've always wondered, is there (or has there ever been) a flight that spends more time/distance over the actual Atlantic, than ATL-JNB?

I know the present and former nonstops between JFK, EWR, MIA, IAD, and FLL from S.Africa don't.

Has there ever been another?


South America to Europe maybe.

They actually spend surprisingly little time over water, despite often being the longest flights in the Euro-carriers's network.

SCL-LHR was BA's longest flight, for example, but the flight's first 5hrs are over land.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:13 pm

Oilman wrote:
nwadeicer wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
DL’s JNB-ATL is being diverted (hours ahead of time) to BOS. Any idea why?


Gas, needs to top off.



When this flight was a 77L and needed a tech stop, it would normally stop at SJU. I wonder why BOS was chosen instead.

Delta has said this:

The diversion "has to do with technical specifications of our A350 aircraft and the payload of this particular flight," the company said in an email.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-11-28/
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:58 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Clipper73 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
I've always wondered, is there (or has there ever been) a flight that spends more time/distance over the actual Atlantic, than ATL-JNB?

I know the present and former nonstops between JFK, EWR, MIA, IAD, and FLL from S.Africa don't.

Has there ever been another?


South America to Europe maybe.

They actually spend surprisingly little time over water, despite often being the longest flights in the Euro-carriers's network.

SCL-LHR was BA's longest flight, for example, but the flight's first 5hrs are over land.


I flew the UA flight from EWR to CPT and looking at the flight tracker as we departed the aircraft flew for a brief period overland before heading out over the Atlantic. The only other time the aircraft was overland was for a few minutes during the final approach to CPT. I personally don't count crossing over small Caribbean islands as overland.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:07 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
Oilman wrote:
nwadeicer wrote:

Gas, needs to top off.



When this flight was a 77L and needed a tech stop, it would normally stop at SJU. I wonder why BOS was chosen instead.

Delta has said this:

The diversion "has to do with technical specifications of our A350 aircraft and the payload of this particular flight," the company said in an email.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-11-28/


Basically the A350 can't make the nonstop accommodating all passengers, bags, and cargo.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:33 pm

777Mech wrote:
Basically the A350 can't make the nonstop accommodating all passengers, bags, and cargo.

So what about all the other days when it's done that?
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:44 pm

9252fly wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Clipper73 wrote:

South America to Europe maybe.

They actually spend surprisingly little time over water, despite often being the longest flights in the Euro-carriers's network.

SCL-LHR was BA's longest flight, for example, but the flight's first 5hrs are over land.


I flew the UA flight from EWR to CPT and looking at the flight tracker as we departed the aircraft flew for a brief period overland before heading out over the Atlantic. The only other time the aircraft was overland was for a few minutes during the final approach to CPT. I personally don't count crossing over small Caribbean islands as overland.


Is within 50nm of land? I would consider that overland…
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:04 am

LAX772LR wrote:
777Mech wrote:
Basically the A350 can't make the nonstop accommodating all passengers, bags, and cargo.

So what about all the other days when it's done that?


It has never went out totally full. They have consistently left behind nonrevs in order to accommodate cargo, and have no-ride cargo if Rev pax loads are too great.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:56 am

Is this a payload problem of the A359t that DL has complained before (LAX-SYD)? UA's B789 doesn't have this problem but JNB-EWR is 1 hour shorter than JNB-ATL.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:07 am

LAX772LR wrote:
I've always wondered, is there (or has there ever been) a flight that spends more time/distance over the actual Atlantic, than ATL-JNB?

I know the present and former nonstops between JFK, EWR, MIA, IAD, and FLL from S.Africa don't.

Has there ever been another?


Nothing else even comes close, I don't think. This route spends about 6,300nm over water:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=jnb-wvb-ch ... =wls&DU=nm

There used to be a IAH-LAD flight, that also spent a long time over water.

The contenders for second longest amongst currently operating flights must be PTY-AMS, CCS-LIS, or GIG-LIS:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/KLM ... /MPTO/EHAM
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /SVMI/LPPT
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /SBGL/LPPT
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:11 am

evanb wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
I give it a week, tops. With 1/10 of arriving passengers from South Africa testing positive at AMS yesterday… it would be a PR (and likely financial) nightmare to continue to fly the route for now. It seems this variant truly is as contagious as they suggest


And yet not a single positive on all Lufthansa flights to Frankfurt. It suggests that maybe the reporting from Amsterdam has been obtuse or that there may have been a problem with the testing.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health- ... SL1N2SI054


The KL flights to AMS had no pre-departure testing. I believe LH to FRA requires pre-departure testing. If my understanding is correct, that makes the difference obvious.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:16 am

777Mech wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
777Mech wrote:
Basically the A350 can't make the nonstop accommodating all passengers, bags, and cargo.

So what about all the other days when it's done that?


It has never went out totally full. They have consistently left behind nonrevs in order to accommodate cargo, and have no-ride cargo if Rev pax loads are too great.


Can you give us a rough estimate of the payload of this particular flight (JNB-BOS)?
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:57 am

airbazar wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
I've always wondered, is there (or has there ever been) a flight that spends more time/distance over the actual Atlantic, than ATL-JNB?

I know the present and former nonstops between JFK, EWR, MIA, IAD, and FLL from S.Africa don't.

Has there ever been another?


Nothing else even comes close, I don't think. This route spends about 6,300nm over water:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=jnb-wvb-ch ... =wls&DU=nm

There used to be a IAH-LAD flight, that also spent a long time over water.

The contenders for second longest amongst currently operating flights must be PTY-AMS, CCS-LIS, or GIG-LIS:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/KLM ... /MPTO/EHAM
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /SVMI/LPPT
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /SBGL/LPPT


If they would have kept the CPT-ATL leg, it would have been more I guess:

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=cpt-chs-atl&DU=nm
 
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Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:16 pm

smokeybandit wrote:
evanb wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
I give it a week, tops. With 1/10 of arriving passengers from South Africa testing positive at AMS yesterday… it would be a PR (and likely financial) nightmare to continue to fly the route for now. It seems this variant truly is as contagious as they suggest


And yet not a single positive on all Lufthansa flights to Frankfurt. It suggests that maybe the reporting from Amsterdam has been obtuse or that there may have been a problem with the testing.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health- ... SL1N2SI054


Something's definitely lost in translation. A PCR test can't tell you which variant of covid you have.


Nowhere did they say it did. The +-60 Amsterdam passengers were positive for Coronavirus, not Omicron variant. That said, due to the S-gene dropout associated with the Omicron variant, many PCR tests will be pretty suggestive that a positive test is Omicron variant or not.
 
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Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:17 pm

AngMoh wrote:
evanb wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
I give it a week, tops. With 1/10 of arriving passengers from South Africa testing positive at AMS yesterday… it would be a PR (and likely financial) nightmare to continue to fly the route for now. It seems this variant truly is as contagious as they suggest


And yet not a single positive on all Lufthansa flights to Frankfurt. It suggests that maybe the reporting from Amsterdam has been obtuse or that there may have been a problem with the testing.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health- ... SL1N2SI054


The KL flights to AMS had no pre-departure testing. I believe LH to FRA requires pre-departure testing. If my understanding is correct, that makes the difference obvious.


Ouch, that seems shortsighted! I suspect many would have had it due to requirements at destination, but even then, it's a huge number!
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:37 pm

evanb wrote:
AngMoh wrote:
evanb wrote:

And yet not a single positive on all Lufthansa flights to Frankfurt. It suggests that maybe the reporting from Amsterdam has been obtuse or that there may have been a problem with the testing.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health- ... SL1N2SI054


The KL flights to AMS had no pre-departure testing. I believe LH to FRA requires pre-departure testing. If my understanding is correct, that makes the difference obvious.


Ouch, that seems shortsighted! I suspect many would have had it due to requirements at destination, but even then, it's a huge number!


I know for a fact that LH doesn't require a negative test to fly and I can't find anything in KLM's website requiring a negative test to fly, either.
However, many countries have a negative test requirement for entering and it's up to the airline to enforce it. If you are entering Germany LH will want to see a negative test before you board but if you're merely transiting to a country that doesn't require a test, they won't. I don't know if KLM operates that way too.
In other words, when flying people shouldn't assume that everyone on that plane have had to show proof of a negative test or full vaccination.
 
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Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:21 pm

Guess we'll see how tonight's DL201 goes.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:54 pm

airbazar wrote:
evanb wrote:
AngMoh wrote:

The KL flights to AMS had no pre-departure testing. I believe LH to FRA requires pre-departure testing. If my understanding is correct, that makes the difference obvious.


Ouch, that seems shortsighted! I suspect many would have had it due to requirements at destination, but even then, it's a huge number!


I know for a fact that LH doesn't require a negative test to fly and I can't find anything in KLM's website requiring a negative test to fly, either.
However, many countries have a negative test requirement for entering and it's up to the airline to enforce it. If you are entering Germany LH will want to see a negative test before you board but if you're merely transiting to a country that doesn't require a test, they won't. I don't know if KLM operates that way too.
In other words, when flying people shouldn't assume that everyone on that plane have had to show proof of a negative test or full vaccination.


My personal recent experience on the KLM flight from CPT to AMS required a negative Covid PCR test result within 72 hours of departure based on the destination I was travelling to. I was not aware that other passengers onboard the flight may not have had that requirement, not surprising considering every country has their own entry requirements.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:06 pm

airbazar wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
I've always wondered, is there (or has there ever been) a flight that spends more time/distance over the actual Atlantic, than ATL-JNB?

I know the present and former nonstops between JFK, EWR, MIA, IAD, and FLL from S.Africa don't.

Has there ever been another?


Nothing else even comes close, I don't think. This route spends about 6,300nm over water:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=jnb-wvb-ch ... =wls&DU=nm

There used to be a IAH-LAD flight, that also spent a long time over water.

The contenders for second longest amongst currently operating flights must be PTY-AMS, CCS-LIS, or GIG-LIS:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/KLM ... /MPTO/EHAM
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /SVMI/LPPT
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /SBGL/LPPT



Does Lan Chile still fly SCL - SYD? If so then that is also quite a stretch over water.
 
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Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:34 pm

louA340 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
I've always wondered, is there (or has there ever been) a flight that spends more time/distance over the actual Atlantic, than ATL-JNB?

I know the present and former nonstops between JFK, EWR, MIA, IAD, and FLL from S.Africa don't.

Has there ever been another?


Nothing else even comes close, I don't think. This route spends about 6,300nm over water:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=jnb-wvb-ch ... =wls&DU=nm

There used to be a IAH-LAD flight, that also spent a long time over water.

The contenders for second longest amongst currently operating flights must be PTY-AMS, CCS-LIS, or GIG-LIS:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/KLM ... /MPTO/EHAM
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /SVMI/LPPT
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /SBGL/LPPT



Does Lan Chile still fly SCL - SYD? If so then that is also quite a stretch over water.


Well, the question/context is distance over the Atlantic. Yes there are other flights that spend a lot more time over water such as LAX-SIN or any flight from Australia to the U.S.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:44 pm

airbazar wrote:
louA340 wrote:
airbazar wrote:

Nothing else even comes close, I don't think. This route spends about 6,300nm over water:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=jnb-wvb-ch ... =wls&DU=nm

There used to be a IAH-LAD flight, that also spent a long time over water.

The contenders for second longest amongst currently operating flights must be PTY-AMS, CCS-LIS, or GIG-LIS:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/KLM ... /MPTO/EHAM
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /SVMI/LPPT
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /SBGL/LPPT



Does Lan Chile still fly SCL - SYD? If so then that is also quite a stretch over water.


Well, the question/context is distance over the Atlantic. Yes there are other flights that spend a lot more time over water such as LAX-SIN or any flight from Australia to the U.S.


Oh okay, I missed the ball on that one. Thanks
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:15 pm

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or any flight from Australia to the U.S.

Not always.

The totality of SFO-SYD or BNE-LAX for example, are 6400nm and 6200nm respectively @ 13.5hrs.

ATL-JNB has that beat in time over water, and ever so slightly by GC distance prior to landfall.
 
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Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:56 am

smokeybandit wrote:
evanb wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
I give it a week, tops. With 1/10 of arriving passengers from South Africa testing positive at AMS yesterday… it would be a PR (and likely financial) nightmare to continue to fly the route for now. It seems this variant truly is as contagious as they suggest


And yet not a single positive on all Lufthansa flights to Frankfurt. It suggests that maybe the reporting from Amsterdam has been obtuse or that there may have been a problem with the testing.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health- ... SL1N2SI054


Something's definitely lost in translation. A PCR test can't tell you which variant of covid you have.


A PCR test on its own can't.
But it can if you use the test sample to run a DNA sequence.
The Lab our company uses for its PCR tests does this routinely on every PCR test.
But that's because we invested in the cost of a DNA sequencer

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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:21 am

777Mech wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
Oilman wrote:


When this flight was a 77L and needed a tech stop, it would normally stop at SJU. I wonder why BOS was chosen instead.

Delta has said this:

The diversion "has to do with technical specifications of our A350 aircraft and the payload of this particular flight," the company said in an email.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-11-28/


Basically the A350 can't make the nonstop accommodating all passengers, bags, and cargo.


I remember 2 posters saying basically the same thing a couple of years back, I hope you've got good reason to say this, and it's not just baseless speculation.

The aircraft appears to be doing fine, it doesn't normally stop on JNB-ATL. If DL say it's a one-off due to payload on a certain day, I'm inclined to believe them.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n514dn
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:32 am

MrHMSH wrote:
777Mech wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
Delta has said this:

The diversion "has to do with technical specifications of our A350 aircraft and the payload of this particular flight," the company said in an email.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-11-28/


Basically the A350 can't make the nonstop accommodating all passengers, bags, and cargo.


I remember 2 posters saying basically the same thing a couple of years back, I hope you've got good reason to say this, and it's not just baseless speculation.

The aircraft appears to be doing fine, it doesn't normally stop on JNB-ATL. If DL say it's a one-off due to payload on a certain day, I'm inclined to believe them.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n514dn

Nothing he said was wrong- DL’s A350s can’t fly JNB-ATL fully loaded with passengers, bags, and cargo. There is a reason they were originally planning on flying ATL-JNB-CPT-ATL before the South African government and UA’s EWR nonstops put an end to that.

DL has generally been flying the route nonstop, but it is also important to remember that DL only started using the A350 back in August which has exclusively been during a pandemic when loads were relatively light, and for most of the time access to the US was restricted. The one-off is because of a sudden increase in passenger load due to people wanting to leave South Africa in fear that they would get stuck there because of the omicron variant.

How DL will eventually handle the route post pandemic when traffic returns to normal is a question mark, although at the moment they are less inclined to bump cargo than in the past.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:41 am

astuteman wrote:
A PCR test on its own can't.
But it can if you use the test sample to run a DNA sequence.
The Lab our company uses for its PCR tests does this routinely on every PCR test.
But that's because we invested in the cost of a DNA sequencer


I doubt that the lab is doing whole genome sequencing on every test. There is little clinical or surveillance purpose for this and it would be prohibitively expensive.

But also, one of the quirks of Omicron is that one of the mutation deletions results in what is being called an S-gene dropout. The PCR tests have multiple gene targets, but a specific gene is consistently "dropping out" during PCR testing for Omicron (not occurring for other variants) if that target used in the test. So, if the specific PCR test used is targeting this specific gene, then the test result may give an indication that a positive PCR may be Omicron. It was this anomaly that led the South Africans to search for the new variant, and how several countries are now identifying Omicron positives (including UK and Netherlands that have gone back and rechecked prior tests).

While the lab will give you a positive or negative result, the positive is defined by multiple target genes being detected.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:59 pm

goboeing wrote:
Guess we'll see how tonight's DL201 goes.

According to flightaware, it made it the full distance. We don't know anything about payload or number of passengers onboard.

I would think the 787 with 290 seats and full cargo would also struggle on this type of route too.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL201
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:51 pm

Wow, Delta must have great yields and/or great cargo rates to make flying with up to 100 empty seats work on this route. Base on this I am surprised Delta keeps flying this route now that they retired their 777's.

"Depending on the weather the aircraft expects to hit over the Atlantic, Delta normally leaves between 60 and 100 seats empty on this flight to help it make the distance."

https://simpleflying.com/delta-johannes ... diversion/
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:09 pm

Jetport wrote:
Wow, Delta must have great yields and/or great cargo rates to make flying with up to 100 empty seats work on this route. Base on this I am surprised Delta keeps flying this route now that they retired their 777's.

"Depending on the weather the aircraft expects to hit over the Atlantic, Delta normally leaves between 60 and 100 seats empty on this flight to help it make the distance."

https://simpleflying.com/delta-johannes ... diversion/


The route is anything but low yield in respect to passenger fares and cargo rates. Combined with the efficiency of the A350, I suspect they are at least breaking even when having to block seats. Airlines have the ability to command higher fares on non-stop flights due to Covid for passengers wanting to avoid having to connect to get to their destination country.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:52 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
I've always wondered, is there (or has there ever been) a flight that spends more time/distance over the actual Atlantic, than ATL-JNB?

I know the present and former nonstops between JFK, EWR, MIA, IAD, and FLL from S.Africa don't.

Has there ever been another?


EWR-CPT might be?

Effectively a few min from take-off to a few-min before landing it would be over water/Atlantic, at least using gcmap routing.
 
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Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:57 pm

dmstorm22 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
I've always wondered, is there (or has there ever been) a flight that spends more time/distance over the actual Atlantic, than ATL-JNB?

I know the present and former nonstops between JFK, EWR, MIA, IAD, and FLL from S.Africa don't.

Has there ever been another?


EWR-CPT might be?

Effectively a few min from take-off to a few-min before landing it would be over water/Atlantic, at least using gcmap routing.

I'm thinking that may be the winner... it's 600ish miles shorter than ATL-JNB, but completely over water. And ATL-JNB does about 900ish miles over land.

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