sfojvjets wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

Cardude2 wrote:

inconveniently this video was posted today by the YouTuber Austin Scott Aviation titled "Is Northern Pacific Airways a SCAM?". TLDR: watched the whole vid, doesn't give the answer, just red flags. Says he will give an answer in part 2, I'm the only one that left a comment on the video.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-hhdoy_z5E

It’s definitely a scam. This guy is just soaking up investment from public and private whirl pedaling. a plan that makes no sense

I don't know about that video... it seems to be grasping at straws.

Do I think NorPac has the most secure, best business model when you look at what covid has done to US-Asia travel? Not at all.

Does the CEO seem slimy from what many people have said? I guess so...

But are they a full-blown scam? I find that hard to believe. Their plan seems pretty harebrained to me, for sure, considering how different the US-Asia and US-Europe markets are. But some of the points brought up in that video can easily be disputed:

1. The youtuber thinks that them choosing the 757 is sketchy, when PVG and HKG are out of its range from ANC, since this is a major part of Asia that can't be reached with their (current) plans. Well, in today's unveiling, the CEO revealed that they are looking at the MAX and XLR as 757 replacement, and are "in discussions over wide-body aircraft moving forward" per DJ Aviation's Twitter. https://twitter.com/DjsAviation/status/ ... 94/photo/1

2. Another of the things he seems to think is sketchy is that N627NP is not in Anchorage. He thinks that it is, for some reason, "stuck" in San Bernardino. Well, today's unveiling was located in–you guessed it–the hangar that 627NP currently occupies in SBD before it is flown out to ANC. And even so, what's the rush for it to go out to ANC? They're only planning on starting operations in Q3/Q4 of this year and the 757 will much prefer SBD's dry climate as opposed to the very wet ANC. Shouldn't they have ample time?

It just seems like a lot of grasping at straws in order to make an interesting-looking video. If it really does end up being a scam, though, good for the people that will be able to say "I told you so". I just think it's a poorly thought out vision rather than an actual scam. I am more interested in finding out what they're going to do with those 12 752s every winter, because the extreme seasonality of the operation is the most intriguing element to me, not whether it's legit or a scam.

sfojvjets wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

Cardude2 wrote:

inconveniently this video was posted today by the YouTuber Austin Scott Aviation titled "Is Northern Pacific Airways a SCAM?". TLDR: watched the whole vid, doesn't give the answer, just red flags. Says he will give an answer in part 2, I'm the only one that left a comment on the video.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-hhdoy_z5E

It’s definitely a scam. This guy is just soaking up investment from public and private whirl pedaling. a plan that makes no sense

I don't know about that video... it seems to be grasping at straws.

Do I think NorPac has the most secure, best business model when you look at what covid has done to US-Asia travel? Not at all.

Does the CEO seem slimy from what many people have said? I guess so...

But are they a full-blown scam? I find that hard to believe. Their plan seems pretty harebrained to me, for sure, considering how different the US-Asia and US-Europe markets are. But some of the points brought up in that video can easily be disputed:

1. The youtuber thinks that them choosing the 757 is sketchy, when PVG and HKG are out of its range from ANC, since this is a major part of Asia that can't be reached with their (current) plans. Well, in today's unveiling, the CEO revealed that they are looking at the MAX and XLR as 757 replacement, and are "in discussions over wide-body aircraft moving forward" per DJ Aviation's Twitter. https://twitter.com/DjsAviation/status/ ... 94/photo/1

2. Another of the things he seems to think is sketchy is that N627NP is not in Anchorage. He thinks that it is, for some reason, "stuck" in San Bernardino. Well, today's unveiling was located in–you guessed it–the hangar that 627NP currently occupies in SBD before it is flown out to ANC. And even so, what's the rush for it to go out to ANC? They're only planning on starting operations in Q3/Q4 of this year and the 757 will much prefer SBD's dry climate as opposed to the very wet ANC. Shouldn't they have ample time?

It just seems like a lot of grasping at straws in order to make an interesting-looking video. If it really does end up being a scam, though, good for the people that will be able to say "I told you so". I just think it's a poorly thought out vision rather than an actual scam. I am more interested in finding out what they're going to do with those 12 752s every winter, because the extreme seasonality of the operation is the most intriguing element to me, not whether it's legit or a scam.

32andBelow wrote:

sfojvjets wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

It’s definitely a scam. This guy is just soaking up investment from public and private whirl pedaling. a plan that makes no sense

I don't know about that video... it seems to be grasping at straws.

Do I think NorPac has the most secure, best business model when you look at what covid has done to US-Asia travel? Not at all.

Does the CEO seem slimy from what many people have said? I guess so...

But are they a full-blown scam? I find that hard to believe. Their plan seems pretty harebrained to me, for sure, considering how different the US-Asia and US-Europe markets are. But some of the points brought up in that video can easily be disputed:

1. The youtuber thinks that them choosing the 757 is sketchy, when PVG and HKG are out of its range from ANC, since this is a major part of Asia that can't be reached with their (current) plans. Well, in today's unveiling, the CEO revealed that they are looking at the MAX and XLR as 757 replacement, and are "in discussions over wide-body aircraft moving forward" per DJ Aviation's Twitter. https://twitter.com/DjsAviation/status/ ... 94/photo/1

2. Another of the things he seems to think is sketchy is that N627NP is not in Anchorage. He thinks that it is, for some reason, "stuck" in San Bernardino. Well, today's unveiling was located in–you guessed it–the hangar that 627NP currently occupies in SBD before it is flown out to ANC. And even so, what's the rush for it to go out to ANC? They're only planning on starting operations in Q3/Q4 of this year and the 757 will much prefer SBD's dry climate as opposed to the very wet ANC. Shouldn't they have ample time?

It just seems like a lot of grasping at straws in order to make an interesting-looking video. If it really does end up being a scam, though, good for the people that will be able to say "I told you so". I just think it's a poorly thought out vision rather than an actual scam. I am more interested in finding out what they're going to do with those 12 752s every winter, because the extreme seasonality of the operation is the most intriguing element to me, not whether it's legit or a scam.

So why launch the airline with an obsolete fleet? Why not just wait and do it right with the correct aircrafts?

He also told DJ he’s gonna get super sonic airplanes from boom. He also signed a LOI for like 200 electric airplanes for ravn. He’s all over the place

Cardude2 wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

sfojvjets wrote:

I don't know about that video... it seems to be grasping at straws.

Do I think NorPac has the most secure, best business model when you look at what covid has done to US-Asia travel? Not at all.

Does the CEO seem slimy from what many people have said? I guess so...

But are they a full-blown scam? I find that hard to believe. Their plan seems pretty harebrained to me, for sure, considering how different the US-Asia and US-Europe markets are. But some of the points brought up in that video can easily be disputed:

1. The youtuber thinks that them choosing the 757 is sketchy, when PVG and HKG are out of its range from ANC, since this is a major part of Asia that can't be reached with their (current) plans. Well, in today's unveiling, the CEO revealed that they are looking at the MAX and XLR as 757 replacement, and are "in discussions over wide-body aircraft moving forward" per DJ Aviation's Twitter. https://twitter.com/DjsAviation/status/ ... 94/photo/1

2. Another of the things he seems to think is sketchy is that N627NP is not in Anchorage. He thinks that it is, for some reason, "stuck" in San Bernardino. Well, today's unveiling was located in–you guessed it–the hangar that 627NP currently occupies in SBD before it is flown out to ANC. And even so, what's the rush for it to go out to ANC? They're only planning on starting operations in Q3/Q4 of this year and the 757 will much prefer SBD's dry climate as opposed to the very wet ANC. Shouldn't they have ample time?

It just seems like a lot of grasping at straws in order to make an interesting-looking video. If it really does end up being a scam, though, good for the people that will be able to say "I told you so". I just think it's a poorly thought out vision rather than an actual scam. I am more interested in finding out what they're going to do with those 12 752s every winter, because the extreme seasonality of the operation is the most intriguing element to me, not whether it's legit or a scam.

So why launch the airline with an obsolete fleet? Why not just wait and do it right with the correct aircrafts?

He also told DJ he’s gonna get super sonic airplanes from boom. He also signed a LOI for like 200 electric airplanes for ravn. He’s all over the place

you realize Scott Kirby (united CEO) did all of those things and announced hydrogen CRJ-550's?

32andBelow wrote:

Cardude2 wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

So why launch the airline with an obsolete fleet? Why not just wait and do it right with the correct aircrafts?

He also told DJ he’s gonna get super sonic airplanes from boom. He also signed a LOI for like 200 electric airplanes for ravn. He’s all over the place

you realize Scott Kirby (united CEO) did all of those things and announced hydrogen CRJ-550's?

United is one of the largest airlines in the world. Float Alaska operates less than a dozen dash 8s and was launched on cares money

Cardude2 wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

Cardude2 wrote:

you realize Scott Kirby (united CEO) did all of those things and announced hydrogen CRJ-550's?

United is one of the largest airlines in the world. Float Alaska operates less than a dozen dash 8s and was launched on cares money

last I checked delta was and united was not but ok.

32andBelow wrote:

sfojvjets wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

It’s definitely a scam. This guy is just soaking up investment from public and private whirl pedaling. a plan that makes no sense

I don't know about that video... it seems to be grasping at straws.

Do I think NorPac has the most secure, best business model when you look at what covid has done to US-Asia travel? Not at all.

Does the CEO seem slimy from what many people have said? I guess so...

But are they a full-blown scam? I find that hard to believe. Their plan seems pretty harebrained to me, for sure, considering how different the US-Asia and US-Europe markets are. But some of the points brought up in that video can easily be disputed:

1. The youtuber thinks that them choosing the 757 is sketchy, when PVG and HKG are out of its range from ANC, since this is a major part of Asia that can't be reached with their (current) plans. Well, in today's unveiling, the CEO revealed that they are looking at the MAX and XLR as 757 replacement, and are "in discussions over wide-body aircraft moving forward" per DJ Aviation's Twitter. https://twitter.com/DjsAviation/status/ ... 94/photo/1

2. Another of the things he seems to think is sketchy is that N627NP is not in Anchorage. He thinks that it is, for some reason, "stuck" in San Bernardino. Well, today's unveiling was located in–you guessed it–the hangar that 627NP currently occupies in SBD before it is flown out to ANC. And even so, what's the rush for it to go out to ANC? They're only planning on starting operations in Q3/Q4 of this year and the 757 will much prefer SBD's dry climate as opposed to the very wet ANC. Shouldn't they have ample time?

It just seems like a lot of grasping at straws in order to make an interesting-looking video. If it really does end up being a scam, though, good for the people that will be able to say "I told you so". I just think it's a poorly thought out vision rather than an actual scam. I am more interested in finding out what they're going to do with those 12 752s every winter, because the extreme seasonality of the operation is the most intriguing element to me, not whether it's legit or a scam.

So why launch the airline with an obsolete fleet? Why not just wait and do it right with the correct aircrafts?

He also told DJ he’s gonna get super sonic airplanes from boom. He also signed a LOI for like 200 electric airplanes for ravn. He’s all over the place

airlinepeanuts wrote:

Doesn’t the 757 work for Icelandair?

GSPSPOT wrote:

I don't know much about the CEO or leadership team, but I have to say that I was impressed with their website/design. Encourages me a little bit at least.

gmcc wrote:

NameOmitted wrote:

Ravn says it’s eyeing flights to Asia and the Lower 48:
https://www.alaskapublic.org/2021/06/29/ravn-says-its-eyeing-flights-to-asia-and-the-lower-48/

• The operation would be called Northern Pacific Airways
• 10 aircraft
• Tokyo, Seoul, Orlando, Newark, Las Vegas, Oakland and Ontario, a Los Angeles suburb.

The video was intended for company personal, the official public announcement comes soon.

Well AS will just have to crush them by buying 10 787s and running them on exactly the same routes while going bankrupt. . Somehow the word stupid keeps poping into my brain.

dopplerd wrote:

Q3/4 will give them time to fix the NLG door adjustment.

Cardude2 wrote:

dopplerd wrote:

Q3/4 will give them time to fix the NLG door adjustment.

whats that?

ytib wrote:

Cardude2 wrote:

dopplerd wrote:

Q3/4 will give them time to fix the NLG door adjustment.

whats that?

Nose Landing Gear (NLG). In the photos there was a gap.

“Obviously we’re going to have to pivot based on the timing of the reopening and, you know, there might be a pivot on timing. There might be a pivot on destinations, but, you know, that’s just not something we can control, but this is a long lead time endeavor.”

The airline is targeting a capacity of about 180 seats in its 757s. It’ll feature a three-cabin layout, with about 12 first class seats, as well as premium economy and economy class.

The airline plans to use Ravn’s cryptocurrency-based loyalty program, FlyCoin, and assume its interline agreements. Most notably, Ravn currently partners with Alaska Airlines.

“You can either buy future travel with your cryptocurrency, or you can put it on the exchange and trade it to some other kind of cryptocurrency, you can trade it back into fiat money,” he said. McKinney said they’re hoping for an agreement that will even allow merchants at the Ted Stevens Airport in Anchorage to accept FlyCoin as a form of payment.

One potential obstacle to Northern Pacific’s launch is the ongoing pilot shortage. McKinney said he plans to target pilots who were forced into early retirement due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Eventually, McKinney says he hopes to vertically integrate the pilot pipeline between Ravn, Northern Pacific and FLOAT Shuttle, another one of his aviation ventures.

“So you’ll have from the right seat of a [Cessna] Caravan to the left seat of a Boeing going international, a one-stop shop for your whole career and we’ll be kind of our, our own pilot mill.”

McKinney himself is a licensed pilot and has a love for the 757. He hopes one day to get a type rating that allows him to fly the jet.

“I will be sad if I end up going to my grave and I don’t have a 757 type and I ran a 757 airline,” he said.

32andBelow wrote:

He said they want to use ravns Interline agreements. But why would Alaska and one world help them at all?

DL757NYC wrote:

Airfleets shows they have one 757 on order former US air from 1995 with 80k hours. They should purchase as many low time RR powered 757’s AA has 100 parked. Thewwwa s newest ones have 57k hours 16k cycles 2002.

Cardude2 wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

He said they want to use ravns Interline agreements. But why would Alaska and one world help them at all?

wait where did he say that?

32andBelow wrote:

He said they want to use ravns Interline agreements. But why would Alaska and one world help them at all?

32andBelow wrote:

sfojvjets wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

It’s definitely a scam. This guy is just soaking up investment from public and private whirl pedaling. a plan that makes no sense

I don't know about that video... it seems to be grasping at straws.

Do I think NorPac has the most secure, best business model when you look at what covid has done to US-Asia travel? Not at all.

Does the CEO seem slimy from what many people have said? I guess so...

But are they a full-blown scam? I find that hard to believe. Their plan seems pretty harebrained to me, for sure, considering how different the US-Asia and US-Europe markets are. But some of the points brought up in that video can easily be disputed:

1. The youtuber thinks that them choosing the 757 is sketchy, when PVG and HKG are out of its range from ANC, since this is a major part of Asia that can't be reached with their (current) plans. Well, in today's unveiling, the CEO revealed that they are looking at the MAX and XLR as 757 replacement, and are "in discussions over wide-body aircraft moving forward" per DJ Aviation's Twitter. https://twitter.com/DjsAviation/status/ ... 94/photo/1

2. Another of the things he seems to think is sketchy is that N627NP is not in Anchorage. He thinks that it is, for some reason, "stuck" in San Bernardino. Well, today's unveiling was located in–you guessed it–the hangar that 627NP currently occupies in SBD before it is flown out to ANC. And even so, what's the rush for it to go out to ANC? They're only planning on starting operations in Q3/Q4 of this year and the 757 will much prefer SBD's dry climate as opposed to the very wet ANC. Shouldn't they have ample time?

It just seems like a lot of grasping at straws in order to make an interesting-looking video. If it really does end up being a scam, though, good for the people that will be able to say "I told you so". I just think it's a poorly thought out vision rather than an actual scam. I am more interested in finding out what they're going to do with those 12 752s every winter, because the extreme seasonality of the operation is the most intriguing element to me, not whether it's legit or a scam.

So why launch the airline with an obsolete fleet? Why not just wait and do it right with the correct aircrafts?

He also told DJ he’s gonna get super sonic airplanes from boom. He also signed a LOI for like 200 electric airplanes for ravn. He’s all over the place

aemoreira1981 wrote:

China will likely be off limits for a good while. Remember that unless you're willing to take aircraft from a leasing company's order book, you can't get an A321neo until 2027. That said, I'm surprised that ICN isn't a consideration (the distance is 3310 nmi). CTS is also well in reach of ANC (2825 nmi)...but is there enough demand to the USA to support a route there bypassing Tokyo?

sfojvjets wrote:

aemoreira1981 wrote:

China will likely be off limits for a good while. Remember that unless you're willing to take aircraft from a leasing company's order book, you can't get an A321neo until 2027. That said, I'm surprised that ICN isn't a consideration (the distance is 3310 nmi). CTS is also well in reach of ANC (2825 nmi)...but is there enough demand to the USA to support a route there bypassing Tokyo?

ICN is a consideration, it just looks like they will be focusing on the Japanese market first. I doubt they'll do any flying to Asia this summer though–maybe just p2p Mainland-Alaska flying.

I think there is enough demand to fly to CTS. They definitely would need a robust network from the US though, prior to starting that.

trexel94 wrote:

Apparently the fleet will be equipped with the ability to order food on-demand (a-la VX style) and the option of streaming Netflix content (if you have an account) but I can’t determine if they’ll include PTVs or device streaming. Sounds like they’ll offer both?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thejetset. ... emand/amp/

KLMatSJC wrote:

I actually got to attend and got to sit down with Rob McKinney as well: https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/rob-mckinney-interview/

flyoregon wrote:

KLMatSJC wrote:

I actually got to attend and got to sit down with Rob McKinney as well: https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/rob-mckinney-interview/

After reading that article, I’m less convinced this idea is a good one.

The fact that this whole plan is based around connectivity and virtually zero O&D is very dumb. What’s going to happen is your going to get a lot of low fare paying backpacking college students looking for a cheap trip to Japan, and before you know it Northern Pacific is gone like WOW is.

He mentions that COVID has presented a good opportunity for them to start, but travel to Asia, as many have already said, is going to be crippled for quite a while. So connecting 5-6 US cities to a couple destinations in Japan (if they’re lucky) via ANC?

Then the question about Ravn and FLOAT and balancing all of them at once…Ravn hasn’t really been a booking success from my understanding since it’s restart, and FLOAT never even got off the ground. To me, this just seems like a lot of money being wasted on not so great of ideas.

Finally, he talks about “big brother” Alaska Airlines and a relationship with them. What is there to gain for Alaska to have any sort of relationship with this nonsense? Zero. Alaska could have done this very thing by getting longer range aircraft and connecting people through ANC to places in Asia, but they didn’t. Know why? Because it’s a stupid idea.

32andBelow wrote:

flyoregon wrote:

KLMatSJC wrote:

I actually got to attend and got to sit down with Rob McKinney as well: https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/rob-mckinney-interview/

After reading that article, I’m less convinced this idea is a good one.

The fact that this whole plan is based around connectivity and virtually zero O&D is very dumb. What’s going to happen is your going to get a lot of low fare paying backpacking college students looking for a cheap trip to Japan, and before you know it Northern Pacific is gone like WOW is.

He mentions that COVID has presented a good opportunity for them to start, but travel to Asia, as many have already said, is going to be crippled for quite a while. So connecting 5-6 US cities to a couple destinations in Japan (if they’re lucky) via ANC?

Then the question about Ravn and FLOAT and balancing all of them at once…Ravn hasn’t really been a booking success from my understanding since it’s restart, and FLOAT never even got off the ground. To me, this just seems like a lot of money being wasted on not so great of ideas.

Finally, he talks about “big brother” Alaska Airlines and a relationship with them. What is there to gain for Alaska to have any sort of relationship with this nonsense? Zero. Alaska could have done this very thing by getting longer range aircraft and connecting people through ANC to places in Asia, but they didn’t. Know why? Because it’s a stupid idea.

The whole thing sounds like he’s playing some airline manager game on his iPhone

flyoregon wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

flyoregon wrote:

After reading that article, I’m less convinced this idea is a good one.

The fact that this whole plan is based around connectivity and virtually zero O&D is very dumb. What’s going to happen is your going to get a lot of low fare paying backpacking college students looking for a cheap trip to Japan, and before you know it Northern Pacific is gone like WOW is.

He mentions that COVID has presented a good opportunity for them to start, but travel to Asia, as many have already said, is going to be crippled for quite a while. So connecting 5-6 US cities to a couple destinations in Japan (if they’re lucky) via ANC?

Then the question about Ravn and FLOAT and balancing all of them at once…Ravn hasn’t really been a booking success from my understanding since it’s restart, and FLOAT never even got off the ground. To me, this just seems like a lot of money being wasted on not so great of ideas.

Finally, he talks about “big brother” Alaska Airlines and a relationship with them. What is there to gain for Alaska to have any sort of relationship with this nonsense? Zero. Alaska could have done this very thing by getting longer range aircraft and connecting people through ANC to places in Asia, but they didn’t. Know why? Because it’s a stupid idea.

The whole thing sounds like he’s playing some airline manager game on his iPhone

He probably sucks at that too

usxguy wrote:

I'm not sure where people get there is zero O/D data between Alaska & Asia. Right now its slowed to a crawl, but pre-covid. the MIDT (DOT) and ARC/BSP data says otherwise.

Time will tell - I can't see them doing daily flights all over - but Allegiant-style flying. 3-4x a week, scheduled, in the GDS, and visible.

That's a lot more than others - People Express, Dynamic/Eastern/whatever, Avelo, Aha! etc. Even Southwest is now in all the distribution channels.

aemoreira1981 wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

sfojvjets wrote:

I don't know about that video... it seems to be grasping at straws.

Do I think NorPac has the most secure, best business model when you look at what covid has done to US-Asia travel? Not at all.

Does the CEO seem slimy from what many people have said? I guess so...

But are they a full-blown scam? I find that hard to believe. Their plan seems pretty harebrained to me, for sure, considering how different the US-Asia and US-Europe markets are. But some of the points brought up in that video can easily be disputed:

1. The youtuber thinks that them choosing the 757 is sketchy, when PVG and HKG are out of its range from ANC, since this is a major part of Asia that can't be reached with their (current) plans. Well, in today's unveiling, the CEO revealed that they are looking at the MAX and XLR as 757 replacement, and are "in discussions over wide-body aircraft moving forward" per DJ Aviation's Twitter. https://twitter.com/DjsAviation/status/ ... 94/photo/1

2. Another of the things he seems to think is sketchy is that N627NP is not in Anchorage. He thinks that it is, for some reason, "stuck" in San Bernardino. Well, today's unveiling was located in–you guessed it–the hangar that 627NP currently occupies in SBD before it is flown out to ANC. And even so, what's the rush for it to go out to ANC? They're only planning on starting operations in Q3/Q4 of this year and the 757 will much prefer SBD's dry climate as opposed to the very wet ANC. Shouldn't they have ample time?

It just seems like a lot of grasping at straws in order to make an interesting-looking video. If it really does end up being a scam, though, good for the people that will be able to say "I told you so". I just think it's a poorly thought out vision rather than an actual scam. I am more interested in finding out what they're going to do with those 12 752s every winter, because the extreme seasonality of the operation is the most intriguing element to me, not whether it's legit or a scam.

So why launch the airline with an obsolete fleet? Why not just wait and do it right with the correct aircrafts?

He also told DJ he’s gonna get super sonic airplanes from boom. He also signed a LOI for like 200 electric airplanes for ravn. He’s all over the place

China will likely be off limits for a good while. Remember that unless you're willing to take aircraft from a leasing company's order book, you can't get an A321neo until 2027. That said, I'm surprised that ICN isn't a consideration (the distance is 3310 nmi). CTS is also well in reach of ANC (2825 nmi)...but is there enough demand to the USA to support a route there bypassing Tokyo?

Cardude2 wrote:

The jet is alive courtesy of Dan from Dj’s Aviation: https://twitter.com/DjsAviation

DL757NYC wrote:

Airfleets shows they have one 757 on order former US air from 1995 with 80k hours. They should purchase as many low time RR powered 757’s AA has 100 parked. Thewwwa s newest ones have 57k hours 16k cycles 2002.

32andBelow wrote:

So they are gonna have a mixed engine fleet. First class, a lounge, supersonic airplanes and they are low cost.

32andBelow wrote:

So they are gonna have a mixed engine fleet. First class, a lounge, supersonic airplanes and they are low cost.

flyoregon wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

So they are gonna have a mixed engine fleet. First class, a lounge, supersonic airplanes and they are low cost.

There’s a reason why Allegiant’s 757 Hawaii experiment failed and it’s not because there wasn’t a market for low fares to Hawaii…

Getting old planes and choosing destinations based on the range of those airplanes is a recipe for disappointment.

32andBelow wrote:

flyoregon wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

So they are gonna have a mixed engine fleet. First class, a lounge, supersonic airplanes and they are low cost.

There’s a reason why Allegiant’s 757 Hawaii experiment failed and it’s not because there wasn’t a market for low fares to Hawaii…

Getting old planes and choosing destinations based on the range of those airplanes is a recipe for disappointment.

Unless your operating a hotel at Erickson air station