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Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:41 am

VH-ZNF if currently en route UVF-LAX where the crew will rest then fly back to Australia.
 
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Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:17 am

BNEFlyer wrote:
VH-ZNF if currently en route UVF-LAX where the crew will rest then fly back to Australia.

It makes sense to go through LAX, what with maintenance there in case any last-minute fixes are required. On that, is any work being done there? Perhaps most staff have been let go, or do they also do work for other airlines there as well?
 
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Thu Jul 01, 2021 12:43 pm

http://theqantassource.com/
Farewell to the above source which was rich of information. Another reference tool gone by the wayside.
 
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TN486T wrote:
http://theqantassource.com/
Farewell to the above source which was rich of information. Another reference tool gone by the wayside.

Any idea why it closed?
 
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Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:52 pm

Looks like VH-VNP might be returning to VARAs A320 fleet after spending the last 7-8 months sitting in the Philippines, currently flying CRK-PER as VA9944 https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VOZ ... /RPLC/YPPH
 
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Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:27 am

TN486T wrote:
http://theqantassource.com/
Farewell to the above source which was rich of information. Another reference tool gone by the wayside.


That's a bit of a shame, it was. treasure trove of reference info. Maybe Australian Aviation should buy the domain and database of info, it would be a good fit, and I think AA could use every advantage it can get these days.
 
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Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:35 am

Tedjamvor wrote:
TN486T wrote:
http://theqantassource.com/
Farewell to the above source which was rich of information. Another reference tool gone by the wayside.

Any idea why it closed?


I have no knowledge of why, but I would suspect that website maintenance is not a quick and easy job, after 10 years the operators might have had their time?
 
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Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:14 am

Tedjamvor wrote:
TN486T wrote:
http://theqantassource.com/
Farewell to the above source which was rich of information. Another reference tool gone by the wayside.

Any idea why it closed?



It looks like the last 3 all shut down on June 30 .. Qantas, British Airways and Virgin Atlantic

Most of the other sources (Virgin Australia, Jetstar, Emirates) shut down last year or earlier
 
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Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:55 am

qf2220 wrote:
Tedjamvor wrote:
TN486T wrote:
http://theqantassource.com/
Farewell to the above source which was rich of information. Another reference tool gone by the wayside.

Any idea why it closed?


I have no knowledge of why, but I would suspect that website maintenance is not a quick and easy job, after 10 years the operators might have had their time?


The EK Source was dropped because of Adblocking Software. This hit revenue and made it a loss for whoever ran it.
 
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Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:35 am

"Foreign airlines consider halting Australian flights"

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... until-2022

No surprise when the weekly cap of 6,000 arrivals is about to be slashed to 3,000, leaving some airlines with maybe a dozen passengers on each flight.

The cap won't be restored to 6,000+ until sometime next year, although apparently there will be a more generous cap for vaccinated passengers, and surely by then that'll be most people?
 
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Probably depends on their cargo loads. Last time the cap was slashed EK pulled it’s services only to reinstate them a week later.
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Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:04 pm

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Probably depends on their cargo loads. Last time the cap was slashed EK pulled it’s services only to reinstate them a week later.

The cargo rates could go through the roof at the threat that there may be no cargo space at all ... so I expect that some airlines would continue anyway. This is why they are currently flying with around 20 pax on board, as the cargo at the back is funding the flight anyway.
 
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Sun Jul 04, 2021 5:52 am

Not sure whether this fits here as it’s not RPT, but Rex announced it has scored the NSW Ambulance contract for air ambulance operations. It will also be replacing two B350 with Pilatus PC24, the first turbofan fixed wing to operate for ANSW https://www.rex.com.au/MediaAndPressCli ... spx?y=2021
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Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:01 pm

Here is a photo of OQC undergoing its gear swing at LAX prior to it flying out to AUH a few weeks ago

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Mon Jul 05, 2021 12:48 am

Sydney Airport received a A$22.3 billion ($17 billion) takeover offer from a group of investors. Price offer reflects a 42% premium over Friday stock close price.

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Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:24 am

Qantas is selling seats on a repatriation positioning flight DRW-LHR on July 18th. Prices are pretty reasonable if anyone is looking for a ticket off the penal colony and wants a fun route that will almost certainly never end up on the regular schedule.
 
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Mon Jul 05, 2021 3:49 am

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Qantas is selling seats on a repatriation positioning flight DRW-LHR on July 18th. Prices are pretty reasonable if anyone is looking for a ticket off the penal colony and wants a fun route that will almost certainly never end up on the regular schedule.


Prices up front certainly aren't a bargain are they
 
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Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:58 am

Since the announcement of international arrival caps being reduced flights on LON-SYD have gone through the roof with some flights going as high as nearly $44,000 one way and thats for an economy seat

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Tue Jul 06, 2021 2:41 am

FromCDGtoSYD wrote:
pbody wrote:
Qantas is selling seats on a repatriation positioning flight DRW-LHR on July 18th. Prices are pretty reasonable if anyone is looking for a ticket off the penal colony and wants a fun route that will almost certainly never end up on the regular schedule.


Prices up front certainly aren't a bargain are they


No but on a damn near empty flight economy should be comfortable enough
 
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Tue Jul 06, 2021 2:53 am

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Since the announcement of international arrival caps being reduced flights on LON-SYD have gone through the roof with some flights going as high as nearly $44,000 one way and thats for an economy seat

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That is incredibly misleading. There is viable flights available for under $6k almost every day this week which drop down to $3k if you make it a round trip
 
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Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:02 am

Looks like JQs MEL-BQB was postponed again to July 17. Let’s pray that this time the service will take to the skies.
 
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Looks like JQs MEL-BQB was postponed again to July 17. Let’s pray that this time the service will take to the skies.


Indeed fingers crossed, although i cant see the route performing that well in winter anyway - i would have thought seasonal would have been more appropriate.
 
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Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:55 am

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ben175 wrote:
Looks like JQs MEL-BQB was postponed again to July 17. Let’s pray that this time the service will take to the skies.


Indeed fingers crossed, although i cant see the route performing that well in winter anyway - i would have thought seasonal would have been more appropriate.


I reckon given the current overseas travel restrictions it would probably have decent loads. If loads weren't that great I presume they would of postponed till after winter.
 
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Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:04 am

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ben175 wrote:
Looks like JQs MEL-BQB was postponed again to July 17. Let’s pray that this time the service will take to the skies.


Indeed fingers crossed, although i cant see the route performing that well in winter anyway - i would have thought seasonal would have been more appropriate.


The southwest of WA is absolutely beautiful this time of year, perfect for a cozy winter escape. And with no international travel, I’d hope the route would take off by making this pocket of the country far more accessible.
 
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Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:06 am

ben175 wrote:
jrfspa320 wrote:
ben175 wrote:
Looks like JQs MEL-BQB was postponed again to July 17. Let’s pray that this time the service will take to the skies.


Indeed fingers crossed, although i cant see the route performing that well in winter anyway - i would have thought seasonal would have been more appropriate.


The southwest of WA is absolutely beautiful this time of year, perfect for a cozy winter escape. And with no international travel, I’d hope the route would take off by making this pocket of the country far more accessible.


The south west of WA is very beautiful, but I’d love to see it in summer. My recent venture about 6 weeks ago was full of rain and cold temps. Getting there via BQB would be a fantastic thing.
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Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:59 pm

"Qantas pilots lay bare mental toll from not flying"

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/qan ... 5877h.html

Qantas international pilots have revealed the significant toll extended periods without flying is taking on their mental health while other parts of the airline group expands domestic services.
The anguish facing long-haul pilots who have been stood down has been aired internally on the airline’s online communication system Yammer, in response to Qantas executive John Gissing last month seeking to “start a conversation” about Men’s Health Week.


This article is really worth a read if you want to hear things first hand from the side of Qantas international pilots, especially for the A380s which won't be returning until 2023-2024, so while A330 and B787 pilots can get some domestic and repatriation work, for the A380 pilots it's basically their whole career destroyed, and a high-earning career at that, while they wait on tenderhooks to see if/when the A380s will come back.

At the same time I think it's a bit churlish for an international pilot to cite Qantas expansion of domestic routes as an issue, I mean, I can see why it's hard for them to pop the champagne over yet another route to FNQ, but anything which improves the financial shape of the airline as a whole is essentially a good thing.
 
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Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:45 pm

It’s a question of legalities I believe. They are stood down due to “no useful work”, which is obviously rubbish, as the domestic operation expands there is plenty of useful work, they are just using contractors to fly it.
 
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Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:09 am

Whatsaptudo wrote:
It’s a question of legalities I believe. They are stood down due to “no useful work”, which is obviously rubbish, as the domestic operation expands there is plenty of useful work, they are just using contractors to fly it.


Sorry, is your remark in relation to the SMH article on A380 pilots? Because unless Qantas plans to fly A380s on domestic routes, or unless the A380 pilots are rated for other types, then no, I don't think being stood down due to "no useful work" is in any way "rubbish".
 
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Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:41 am

Yes it is in relation to the SMH article. Do you believe A380 pilots can’t fly other types? If so, why do you believe that? An A380 pilot can be endorsed to fly any aircraft type.
 
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Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:42 am

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Whatsaptudo wrote:
It’s a question of legalities I believe. They are stood down due to “no useful work”, which is obviously rubbish, as the domestic operation expands there is plenty of useful work, they are just using contractors to fly it.


Sorry, is your remark in relation to the SMH article on A380 pilots? Because unless Qantas plans to fly A380s on domestic routes, or unless the A380 pilots are rated for other types, then no, I don't think being stood down due to "no useful work" is in any way "rubbish".

I guess it depends on both the airline and the people themselves. Assuming JQ or Network may need more crew for their expanding A320 fleets, it would not take long for A380 endorsed crew to be cross-trained onto the A320. Obviously, this would be a pay cut, but it may be better than the current situation where they are without income for the foreseeable future.
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Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:39 am

Whatsaptudo wrote:
Yes it is in relation to the SMH article. Do you believe A380 pilots can’t fly other types? If so, why do you believe that? An A380 pilot can be endorsed to fly any aircraft type.


Of course they can, but as mentioned in the article: "Long-haul pilots would have to undergo several months of training to switch from larger international aircraft to flying domestic routes on the Boeing 737."

So does Qantas have a duty to carry the cost of retaining all those A380 pilots over the course of many months? Not sure I agree with that, especially if that means there'd be less work for other B737 pilots due to the increased "pool".
 
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Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:56 am

The Alliance E190 announcement said that international pilots who were stood down indefinitely could fly for Alliance. No doubt a massive pay cut, but better than nothing.

When the A330s and 787s are still not fully flying, in fact I don’t even all of the 737s are flying, there are likely still pilots on those types stood down or under utilised. It doesn’t make sense to train pilots onto those fleets until they need to start hiring off the street. Hopefully enough opportunities eventuate between Jetstar, Network and Alliance to get the international pilots who want to take the opportunity on a new fleet to get back into gainful employment.
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Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:09 pm

Qantas to add daily BNE-PPP using Q400 from 17 September 21

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Fri Jul 09, 2021 6:37 am

I’m seeing quite a few QF 737s parked at BNE with engine covers on and pitots etc taped up. Looking at the arrivals/departures board, about two thirds of flights are cancelled. Eerily quiet here for a Friday afternoon. Almost all Sydney/NSW flights cancelled but I’m also surprised at many other cancellations like BNE-GLT, DRW or CBR.
 
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Fri Jul 09, 2021 6:50 am

More on the dilemma of QF A380 pilots

‘Fed up’ pilots want a flight plan from Qantas

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/busine ... f5a17286fd

Doesn't add much to the SMH article earlier this week except that "Qantas needs to make a decision about our future – whether we’re going to retrain on another aircraft. We can’t sit around till November 2023." says A380 captain and Australian and International Pilots Association president Murray Butt.

I can see the rationale behind what he says, the waiting game must be terribly hard for these pilots.
 
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Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:54 pm

CraigAnderson wrote:
More on the dilemma of QF A380 pilots

‘Fed up’ pilots want a flight plan from Qantas

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/busine ... f5a17286fd

Doesn't add much to the SMH article earlier this week except that "Qantas needs to make a decision about our future – whether we’re going to retrain on another aircraft. We can’t sit around till November 2023." says A380 captain and Australian and International Pilots Association president Murray Butt.

I can see the rationale behind what he says, the waiting game must be terribly hard for these pilots.


I dont know if it is fair to lump this on Qantas when it is the Federal Government that is making decisions (ie slow vaccine rollout) that means the borders are shut.
 
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Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:12 am

qf2220 wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
More on the dilemma of QF A380 pilots

‘Fed up’ pilots want a flight plan from Qantas

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/busine ... f5a17286fd

Doesn't add much to the SMH article earlier this week except that "Qantas needs to make a decision about our future – whether we’re going to retrain on another aircraft. We can’t sit around till November 2023." says A380 captain and Australian and International Pilots Association president Murray Butt.

I can see the rationale behind what he says, the waiting game must be terribly hard for these pilots.


I dont know if it is fair to lump this on Qantas when it is the Federal Government that is making decisions (ie slow vaccine rollout) that means the borders are shut.


While it must be tough for the pilots, I get that, to blame Qantas for the virus and the federal government actions is misguided. Qantas isn't trying to screw its employees, its trying navigate a pandemic and economy that changes quickly.
 
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Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:49 am

jbs2886 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
More on the dilemma of QF A380 pilots

‘Fed up’ pilots want a flight plan from Qantas

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/busine ... f5a17286fd

Doesn't add much to the SMH article earlier this week except that "Qantas needs to make a decision about our future – whether we’re going to retrain on another aircraft. We can’t sit around till November 2023." says A380 captain and Australian and International Pilots Association president Murray Butt.

I can see the rationale behind what he says, the waiting game must be terribly hard for these pilots.


I dont know if it is fair to lump this on Qantas when it is the Federal Government that is making decisions (ie slow vaccine rollout) that means the borders are shut.


While it must be tough for the pilots, I get that, to blame Qantas for the virus and the federal government actions is misguided. Qantas isn't trying to screw its employees, its trying navigate a pandemic and economy that changes quickly.


Also worth noting that there have been multiple offers for VR and they made the decision to stay. QF have been clear around when they expect the A380 to be back so those who choose to stay did so with this knowledge and (unlike other crew of A330 and 787 who could be called back whenever the border opens) they have more certainty around time frames to go seek secondary employment.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:50 am

LATAM flight en route to BNE at the moment - whats the story with this?
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:16 am

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LATAM flight en route to BNE at the moment - whats the story with this?


Normally routes through SYD then up to Beijing, probably using BNE instead because of the latest outbreak in Sydney.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:41 am

Great Forum everyone.

Just a quick one if anyone knows why QF6041 which was flown by VH-ZNC ended up in Fairbanks Alaska.

Thanks in advance
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:35 am

Right so probably cargo?

Friend of mine says Chile is using lots of Sinovac. I wonder how much has transited Australia on these flights.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:12 am

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Right so probably cargo?

Friend of mine says Chile is using lots of Sinovac. I wonder how much has transited Australia on these flights.

This is from memory, so happy to be called out as 700% incorrect, I think cargo has always been strong between China and Chile.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:59 am

Have read its a military charter.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:17 pm

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Have read its a military charter.


The QF flight to Alaska or LA flight via BNE?
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:10 pm

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Have read its a military charter.


The QF flight to Alaska or LA flight via BNE?


QF flight to Fairbanks is the military charter.

The LA flight via BNE to Beijing is cargo.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:45 pm

myki wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
Right so probably cargo?

Friend of mine says Chile is using lots of Sinovac. I wonder how much has transited Australia on these flights.

This is from memory, so happy to be called out as 700% incorrect, I think cargo has always been strong between China and Chile.


Which carrier was LA working with before COVID to bring it down to SYD/MEL then I wonder?
 
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Looks like JQs MEL-BQB was postponed again to July 17. Let’s pray that this time the service will take to the skies.



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