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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:57 pm

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Just released next weeks revenue passengers numbers.

For July 11th thru July 17th, United expects another 2.5 million revenue passengers, I thought once all the holiday travel was over the number would drop down to at least 2.4 million revenue passengers but as it turns out I was wrong. July is shaping up to be one of the best months United has seen since the start of the pandemic. But it isn't so nice for people traveling out of EWR where runway construction and FAA imposed limits, limit United to around 240 daily departures. Next week UA at EWR revenue passenger load factor remains in the ninety percent range at 92% load factor. Other hubs like IAH, DEN, LAX, IAD, will all see load factors between 86.5% - 89.8% both ORD and SFO will be close to 85% load factor, while EWR load factor will remain in the 90s for the third week in a row now.

This just makes me question if there had been no pandemic, no COVID how in the world would the FAA have dealt with EWR and runway construction during normal operations? Would the FAA have forced United to reduce the schedule from 430 daily flights (pre-pandemic) to where we are now at 240 daily departures.


These LF’s include Longhaul?

Good to see they are working to resolve the limited flight issue in October. Bumping up to 330 daily flights.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:44 pm

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Probably means nothing, but some lists that were seen showed the Southwest 737s info in some MX manuals. Also, saw Singapore Airlines 777s info there too. Probably nothing, but will try to find out why those Singapore aircraft are listed there.
Lot of :777 PW powered aircraft are in China for RTS. Don't know when they go RTS..


2512 in IAH has new fan blades and engine runs successfully complete. Will ferry to ORD for mx checks before RTS. When that RTS is I don't know but progress is being made for the P&W 777s. Even N771UA is ferrying to XMN soon.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:54 pm

redrooster3 wrote:
CALTECH wrote:
Probably means nothing, but some lists that were seen showed the Southwest 737s info in some MX manuals. Also, saw Singapore Airlines 777s info there too. Probably nothing, but will try to find out why those Singapore aircraft are listed there.
Lot of :777 PW powered aircraft are in China for RTS. Don't know when they go RTS..


2512 in IAH has new fan blades and engine runs successfully complete. Will ferry to ORD for mx checks before RTS. When that RTS is I don't know but progress is being made for the P&W 777s. Even N771UA is ferrying to XMN soon.


Two domestic-configured 777-222...
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 4:28 pm

redrooster3 wrote:
CALTECH wrote:
Probably means nothing, but some lists that were seen showed the Southwest 737s info in some MX manuals. Also, saw Singapore Airlines 777s info there too. Probably nothing, but will try to find out why those Singapore aircraft are listed there.
Lot of :777 PW powered aircraft are in China for RTS. Don't know when they go RTS..


2512 in IAH has new fan blades and engine runs successfully complete. Will ferry to ORD for mx checks before RTS. When that RTS is I don't know but progress is being made for the P&W 777s. Even N771UA is ferrying to XMN soon.


That’s interesting. Isn’t 2512 an A? I thought the A’s were less likely and/or would take longer to RTS than than the ERs?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 4:30 pm

Seems like the UA 772A won't be going away.

I wonder if the 77Ws from Singapore are being considered. They have 13 parked now and are in two batches of about 14 years old and 5 years old. They have 56 A350-900 and 15 78X with at least 3 more on the way.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:22 pm

How much more does it cost to operate a 77w vs a 77A/E?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:01 pm

codc10 wrote:
redrooster3 wrote:
CALTECH wrote:
Probably means nothing, but some lists that were seen showed the Southwest 737s info in some MX manuals. Also, saw Singapore Airlines 777s info there too. Probably nothing, but will try to find out why those Singapore aircraft are listed there.
Lot of :777 PW powered aircraft are in China for RTS. Don't know when they go RTS..


2512 in IAH has new fan blades and engine runs successfully complete. Will ferry to ORD for mx checks before RTS. When that RTS is I don't know but progress is being made for the P&W 777s. Even N771UA is ferrying to XMN soon.


Two domestic-configured 777-222...

I hope the 772As stay on continental U.S. domestic runs. I've made more than a few trips from Chicago to Hawai‘i over the years – I'm airborne on one right now – and this 788 is wildly more pleasant than the domestic 772 that should be operating this route. (As the Pratt & Whitney saga unfolded, I've anxiously watched this thread hoping they wouldn't return to service before my trip concluded.)
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:35 pm

Is the UA cancellation of international routes due to the PW 777 grounding or simply yield/quarantine based?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:50 pm

adamblang wrote:
codc10 wrote:
redrooster3 wrote:

2512 in IAH has new fan blades and engine runs successfully complete. Will ferry to ORD for mx checks before RTS. When that RTS is I don't know but progress is being made for the P&W 777s. Even N771UA is ferrying to XMN soon.


Two domestic-configured 777-222...

I hope the 772As stay on continental U.S. domestic runs. I've made more than a few trips from Chicago to Hawai‘i over the years – I'm airborne on one right now – and this 788 is wildly more pleasant than the domestic 772 that should be operating this route. (As the Pratt & Whitney saga unfolded, I've anxiously watched this thread hoping they wouldn't return to service before my trip concluded.)


If they can get them back in the air, I don’t think they can afford not to use them on Hawaii runs. They are using 763, GE 777ERs, and 788s on these runs. That works for now, but when international gets back to normal, they will need those aircraft for routes on which they were originally intended.

I’m also not sure why everyone says they are more uncomfortable than the 787s and 763s. Aren’t the seats in the back the exact same seats, width, and pitch on all three types?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 7:54 pm

In comparing the 777 10-wide vs a 763 is no comparison. The 763 is a 2-3-2 layout in economy. The 787 is 3-3-3. The differences are less compared to the 787 but 10 wide on a long flight isn't what I'd call awesome.

At the same time, the A's are the bulk movers and for most economy class passengers, they'll be ok to suck it up in exchange for a cheap airfare. For me, I'd rather take a different a/c or airline rather than be stuck in 10 across Y on a flight from ORD or DEN to Hawaii.
 
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Sun Jul 11, 2021 8:06 pm

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In comparing the 777 10-wide vs a 763 is no comparison. The 763 is a 2-3-2 layout in economy. The 787 is 3-3-3. The differences are less compared to the 787 but 10 wide on a long flight isn't what I'd call awesome.

At the same time, the A's are the bulk movers and for most economy class passengers, they'll be ok to suck it up in exchange for a cheap airfare. For me, I'd rather take a different a/c or airline rather than be stuck in 10 across Y on a flight from ORD or DEN to Hawaii.


I somewhat understand your point on the 763. There really is only one middle seat, but that’s not the norm these days of course. I guess I don’t understand what the difference in being in a group of three on the outside groupings on a 777 vs the same groupings of three found on the 787, 757, and 737, all of which are used to Hawaii.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:03 pm

2513 VCV Paint

0010 XMN DCK
0021 XMN D2CK

0970 XMN MOD

2477 XMN RTS
2796 XMN CCK
2884 XMN RTS
2885 XMN RTS

2476 HKG Parked

Some registrations.....

777-212ERs Rolls Royce Trent 884 went to Nok Scoot some back to Singapore and in storage
HS-XBA -200ER NokScoot, (9V-SRF) Singapore
HS-XBC -200ER NokScoot, (9V-SRH) "
HS-XBD -200ER NokScoot (9V-SRJ) "
HS-XBE -200ER NokScoot (9V-SRL) "
HS-XBF -200ER NokScoot (9V-SRP) "
HS-XBG -200ER NokScoot (9V-SRQ) "


9V-SNA -300ER GE90-115
9V-SNB -300ER
9V-SNC -300ER
9V-SQJ -200ER
9V-SVB -200ER
9V-SVC -200ER
9V-SVE -200ER
9V-SWA -300ER
9V-SWB -300ER
9V-SWD -300ER
9V-SWE -300ER
9V-SWF -300ER
9V-SWG -300ER
9V-SWH -300ER
9V-SWI -300ER
9V-SWJ -300ER
9V-SWK -300ER
9V-SWL -300ER
9V-SWM -300ER
9V-SWN -300ER
9V-SWO -300ER
9V-SWP -300ER
9V-SWQ -300ER
9V-SWR -300ER
9V-SWS -300ER
9V-SWT -300ER
9V-SWU -300ER
9V-SWV -300ER
9V-SWW -300ER
9V-SWY -300ER
9V-SWZ -300ER
9V-SYF -300
9V-SYH -300
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:25 pm

CALTECH wrote:
2513 VCV Paint

0010 XMN DCK
0021 XMN D2CK

0970 XMN MOD

2477 XMN RTS
2796 XMN CCK
2884 XMN RTS
2885 XMN RTS

2476 HKG Parked

Some registrations.....

777-212ERs Rolls Royce Trent 884 went to Nok Scoot some back to Singapore and in storage
HS-XBA -200ER NokScoot, (9V-SRF) Singapore
HS-XBC -200ER NokScoot, (9V-SRH) "
HS-XBD -200ER NokScoot (9V-SRJ) "
HS-XBE -200ER NokScoot (9V-SRL) "
HS-XBF -200ER NokScoot (9V-SRP) "
HS-XBG -200ER NokScoot (9V-SRQ) "


9V-SNA -300ER GE90-115
9V-SNB -300ER
9V-SNC -300ER
9V-SQJ -200ER
9V-SVB -200ER
9V-SVC -200ER
9V-SVE -200ER
9V-SWA -300ER
9V-SWB -300ER
9V-SWD -300ER
9V-SWE -300ER
9V-SWF -300ER
9V-SWG -300ER
9V-SWH -300ER
9V-SWI -300ER
9V-SWJ -300ER
9V-SWK -300ER
9V-SWL -300ER
9V-SWM -300ER
9V-SWN -300ER
9V-SWO -300ER
9V-SWP -300ER
9V-SWQ -300ER
9V-SWR -300ER
9V-SWS -300ER
9V-SWT -300ER
9V-SWU -300ER
9V-SWV -300ER
9V-SWW -300ER
9V-SWY -300ER
9V-SWZ -300ER
9V-SYF -300
9V-SYH -300


Yea if they are painting 2513 which I think is also an A, they must intend to put the A models back in service
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:27 pm

I guess all this suggests they’ve also found a solution to the cowling issues too
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:05 am

gwrudolph wrote:
SonomaFlyer wrote:
In comparing the 777 10-wide vs a 763 is no comparison. The 763 is a 2-3-2 layout in economy. The 787 is 3-3-3. The differences are less compared to the 787 but 10 wide on a long flight isn't what I'd call awesome.

At the same time, the A's are the bulk movers and for most economy class passengers, they'll be ok to suck it up in exchange for a cheap airfare. For me, I'd rather take a different a/c or airline rather than be stuck in 10 across Y on a flight from ORD or DEN to Hawaii.


I somewhat understand your point on the 763. There really is only one middle seat, but that’s not the norm these days of course. I guess I don’t understand what the difference in being in a group of three on the outside groupings on a 777 vs the same groupings of three found on the 787, 757, and 737, all of which are used to Hawaii.


Agreed. The 767 is a nice ride, but the Economy Class seats on the 737/757/777HD/787 are practically identical. AVOD favours the 757 and 787 as a better overall experience, but the seat width is basically the same.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:31 am

CALTECH wrote:

Some registrations.....

9V-SNA -300ER GE90-115
9V-SNB -300ER
9V-SNC -300ER
.....


Good info. Is this just an FYI post or is there some rumbling about UA possibly looking at some used 77Ws?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:17 am

I really enjoyed the Premium Economy on the 787 today.

And while I’m not an IFE person, I played around with it and was really impressed. Minus Bluetooth, it pops to be the same as what’s going into the domestic fleet. I appreciated the screen went black after a period of inactivity to avoid the dark cabin glow.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:16 am

Seems that United will operate again flights from September with Boeing 767-400ER.

https://twitter.com/Aeropuerto_BCN/stat ... 68546?s=20
 
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Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:17 pm

nascar1 wrote:
Seems that United will operate again flights from September with Boeing 767-400ER.

https://twitter.com/Aeropuerto_BCN/stat ... 68546?s=20


764 has actually been back in the schedule since May, started with 1x daily EWRIAH.
 
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Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:05 pm

TWAGuy wrote:
nascar1 wrote:
Seems that United will operate again flights from September with Boeing 767-400ER.

https://twitter.com/Aeropuerto_BCN/stat ... 68546?s=20


764 has actually been back in the schedule since May, started with 1x daily EWRIAH.


Sorry, I didn't aware of that. Thanks for the info.
 
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Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:06 pm

jetblastdubai wrote:
CALTECH wrote:

Some registrations.....

9V-SNA -300ER GE90-115
9V-SNB -300ER
9V-SNC -300ER
.....


Good info. Is this just an FYI post or is there some rumbling about UA possibly looking at some used 77Ws?


Just a Hmmmmm post. Always rumblings and rumors floating around. Just very odd to have these aircraft show up in another airline's manuals, especially since the acquired Southwest 737s are showing up in the same manuals.

MCO is seeing a daily 777-300ER out of ORD now.


?

https://simpleflying.com/4-singapore-ai ... s-removed/

"SIA announced that it had retired four 777-300ERs (777Ws) in the second half of 2020. While the exact aircraft being removed are unknown, the carrier currently has 18 planes sitting on the ground due to the crisis (and only nine flying)."

"Once crucial to the fleet, SIA has been able to replace the 777-300ER with the 787 and A350 on many routes. Photo: Singapore Airlines"

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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:12 pm

Very interesting, given comments from leadership as recently as two weeks ago.

I wonder if this is just diligence on what are no doubt some well-maintained, young frames hitting the market?
 
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Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:43 pm

It would seem to be more than a coincidence that the 4 SIA 77Ws being retired might be the 4 in ASP (Alice Springs). All other stored 77Ws are at SIN.
9V-SVB/SVC/SVE are 20 years old and 9V-SWL is 13.7 years old.
Could UA talk SIA into swapping to get newer units that are either more 13 year old aircraft or 6 year old units?
 
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Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:15 pm

gwrudolph wrote:
I’m also not sure why everyone says they are more uncomfortable than the 787s and 763s. Aren’t the seats in the back the exact same seats, width, and pitch on all three types?


The 767 seats are a fair bit wider. Also, for me it's not just the seat widths that matter, but the width of the arm rests and distance from the sidewalls (I'm a window seat person). Basically shoulder space. The 767 has tons of it while the 757 and 737 are not bad. I can tolerate the 787, though it isn't pleasant, but I cannot physically tolerate the 777 for more than a few hours.
 
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Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:36 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
It would seem to be more than a coincidence that the 4 SIA 77Ws being retired might be the 4 in ASP (Alice Springs). All other stored 77Ws are at SIN.
9V-SVB/SVC/SVE are 20 years old and 9V-SWL is 13.7 years old.
Could UA talk SIA into swapping to get newer units that are either more 13 year old aircraft or 6 year old units?


Why would UA and Singapore "swap" aircraft...especially when Singapore retired some? Getting aircraft into spec isn't cheap, this isn't like trading cars. Furthermore, 9V-SVB/SVC/SVE are not 77Ws, they are 772s.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:10 am

coolbeans202 wrote:
gwrudolph wrote:
I’m also not sure why everyone says they are more uncomfortable than the 787s and 763s. Aren’t the seats in the back the exact same seats, width, and pitch on all three types?


The 767 seats are a fair bit wider. Also, for me it's not just the seat widths that matter, but the width of the arm rests and distance from the sidewalls (I'm a window seat person). Basically shoulder space. The 767 has tons of it while the 757 and 737 are not bad. I can tolerate the 787, though it isn't pleasant, but I cannot physically tolerate the 777 for more than a few hours.


Oh I didn’t realize they were different seats. I assumed the seats on the refurbed 763s were the same as the ones on the 777As and 777ERs

Fair point on the distance to the sidewall I suppose. I usually sit in an aisle so perhaps I hadn’t realized the seat is closer to the sidewall on the 777s than the 787 and 767s
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:39 am

CALTECH wrote:
2513 VCV Paint

0010 XMN DCK
0021 XMN D2CK

0970 XMN MOD

2477 XMN RTS
2796 XMN CCK
2884 XMN RTS
2885 XMN RTS

2476 HKG Parked


Do you know if Pratt & Whitney came up with a fix for the fan blades on the 2300/2400 series frames or did United acquire used but undamaged fan blades to ferry N771UA to XMN. The first leg of its journey should begin tomorrow with a relative short flight VCV-LAX. It looks like 2471 will be the first 2400 series "A" model to take to the skies since the grounding.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:47 am

Noticed earlier today that a non premium 757-300 operated the very premium LAX-JFK route. Last minute sub?

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Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:55 am

dcajet - is that a regular flight number or a charter?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:00 am

For starters, Polaris is a nice ride to HNL and to GUM for starters vs the business class seats in the 777As that are narrow.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:21 am

So one mainline aircraft at a time has been getting repainted since a few months ago right? Any idea when that might ramp up?
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Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:37 am

Oops, didn't notice the 772 vs 77W. In any case there are a couple of batches of 77W in 6 year and 13 year age ranges.
What I meant by swapping was if UA was interested, as Singapore to swap out which of their planes would be retired so UA could buy newer units, which of course would cost more.

jbs2886 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
It would seem to be more than a coincidence that the 4 SIA 77Ws being retired might be the 4 in ASP (Alice Springs). All other stored 77Ws are at SIN.
9V-SVB/SVC/SVE are 20 years old and 9V-SWL is 13.7 years old.
Could UA talk SIA into swapping to get newer units that are either more 13 year old aircraft or 6 year old units?


Why would UA and Singapore "swap" aircraft...especially when Singapore retired some? Getting aircraft into spec isn't cheap, this isn't like trading cars. Furthermore, 9V-SVB/SVC/SVE are not 77Ws, they are 772s.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:00 am

dcajet wrote:
Noticed earlier today that a non premium 757-300 operated the very premium LAX-JFK route. Last minute sub?

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Was an equipment sub - cancelled and created the extra section to reaccom the business class downgrade.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:06 am

I think an interesting situation would be UA picking up SQ used 77Ws and SQ picking up some of UAs A350s delivery slots. I don't know how that would work out contractually, but seems like it could be a win win.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:20 am

Pinto wrote:
I think an interesting situation would be UA picking up SQ used 77Ws and SQ picking up some of UAs A350s delivery slots. I don't know how that would work out contractually, but seems like it could be a win win.


I’d always heard that Smisek negotiated a bad price on the A350s. SQ probably already has good pricing.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:25 am

SFOtoORD wrote:
Pinto wrote:
I think an interesting situation would be UA picking up SQ used 77Ws and SQ picking up some of UAs A350s delivery slots. I don't know how that would work out contractually, but seems like it could be a win win.


I’d always heard that Smisek negotiated a bad price on the A350s. SQ probably already has good pricing.

Smisek modified the order. Tilton ordered them in 2009 and they supposedly got a great deal. The original RFP was for one manufacturer but they loved the offers from both Airbus and Boeing they picked both.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:26 am

Scarebus34 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Noticed earlier today that a non premium 757-300 operated the very premium LAX-JFK route. Last minute sub?

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Was an equipment sub - cancelled and created the extra section to reaccom the business class downgrade.


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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:19 pm

avi8 wrote:
So one mainline aircraft at a time has been getting repainted since a few months ago right? Any idea when that might ramp up?


I've been wondering this too. Will United stop painting the A320 in favor of painting the widebodies and 737s? What about the 757s? Surely United won't repaint at a snail's pace the way WN has -- or will they?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:04 pm

Of all of UA's recent publicity stunts, this latest one, I think is the most interesting: https://hub.united.com/electric-aircraf ... 65004.html

Could you imagine what UA will look like if they actually receive all of these aircraft from VTOL taxis, Electric Commuters and Supersonic aircraft? It feels a lot like Pan Am's status orders in the 60's and 70's from 747 and Concorde. Some happened and some didn't, but either way, I hope UA doesn't take the brunt of trying to reshape an entire industry. That didn't work out so well for PA. I know there were a lot of complex factors that led to their demise, but first movers are often the ones that waste money that everyone else profits from.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:18 pm

I think these speculative orders have been great. They probably cost UA next to nothing, generate PR, and if any of these aircraft actually get made they’ll be ahead of the pack. I don’t see any real downside.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:26 pm

cosyr wrote:
Of all of UA's recent publicity stunts, this latest one, I think is the most interesting: https://hub.united.com/electric-aircraf ... 65004.html

Could you imagine what UA will look like if they actually receive all of these aircraft from VTOL taxis, Electric Commuters and Supersonic aircraft? It feels a lot like Pan Am's status orders in the 60's and 70's from 747 and Concorde. Some happened and some didn't, but either way, I hope UA doesn't take the brunt of trying to reshape an entire industry. That didn't work out so well for PA. I know there were a lot of complex factors that led to their demise, but first movers are often the ones that waste money that everyone else profits from.


I wouldn't classify them as "publicity stunts" - for publicity? Yes. But, UA will certainly be expending cash and resources to substantively contribute to these programs. You have to give UA props for innovation and recognizing the future of flying will be different. While I think its unlikely all 3 of the aircraft actually happen for UA, some may and some others after.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:11 pm

BigPlaneGuy13 wrote:
avi8 wrote:
So one mainline aircraft at a time has been getting repainted since a few months ago right? Any idea when that might ramp up?


I've been wondering this too. Will United stop painting the A320 in favor of painting the widebodies and 737s? What about the 757s? Surely United won't repaint at a snail's pace the way WN has -- or will they?


There was a question about this on our ORD town hall today. The company knows they need to paint/wash planes, but we are stretched too thin with the fleet right now. Funny how much has changed in a year and it’s certainly a good problem to have. Once the aircraft that are in maintenance after having been brought out of storage are on line, as well as the schedule drawdown at the end of summer, we should see more slack and planes being sent to paint.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:42 pm

Regarding paint, I believe UA was just painting those aircraft in poor condition. There's 5 pre 1996 delivered 320s in EvoBlu, probably because of the condition of the Globe livery. Probably due to age and paint cycles, few 739s have received EvoBlu. On the Fleet site Mainline spreadsheet, I've got most aircraft posted with year of current paint.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:00 am

It looks like 2478 / N778UA currently grounded at ORD is next in line for an entire fan blade replacement on both engines, this after 2471 / N771UA received new fan blades, neither aircraft has a RTS date yet. Do we have any idea where United acquired these replacement fan blades from?

Also looking at newly updated maintenance reports 2515 / N215UA on the ground at SFO will be the first PW to be retrofitted with a modified/strengthened engine cowling no RTS date set.

The six PW 2500 series (2510-2515) 77As do not require new fan blades at least that is what I'm seeing in the maintenance documents .

redrooster3 wrote:
2512 in IAH has new fan blades and engine runs successfully complete. Will ferry to ORD for mx checks before RTS. When that RTS is I don't know but progress is being made for the P&W 777s. Even N771UA is ferrying to XMN soon.


2512 N212UA is still on the long term storage list not seeing anything about new fan blades or it being ferried to ORD for MX checks, N212UA hasn't flown in over 440 days. That particular aircraft has been on the ground at IAH since 4/21/2020 and entered into storage on 4/28/2020. I do see where maintenance ran the engines recently and the aircraft has been moved into a hangar but I'm not finding anything related to new fan blades a MX ferry. Perhaps they just re-installed the same fan blades after they passed inspection?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:05 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
Regarding paint, I believe UA was just painting those aircraft in poor condition. There's 5 pre 1996 delivered 320s in EvoBlu, probably because of the condition of the Globe livery. Probably due to age and paint cycles, few 739s have received EvoBlu. On the Fleet site Mainline spreadsheet, I've got most aircraft posted with year of current paint.

Will they repaint some of the 757s? I've seen some nasty UA 757s recently with half of the upper fuselage paint missing. Really awful!. Sure, they are leaving the fleet in a few years, but, man, they look awful.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:49 am

Anyone know where the 737M8 first flight is? Look like they changed the first flight on the 15th from to a 7M9 on iah las
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:17 am

Coalways wrote:
Anyone know where the 737M8 first flight is? Look like they changed the first flight on the 15th from to a 7M9 on iah las


I think it’s doing an Etops run on the 15th now.

The new first flight should be on EWR-LAS/IAH on the 16th or 17th.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:34 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
Regarding paint, I believe UA was just painting those aircraft in poor condition. There's 5 pre 1996 delivered 320s in EvoBlu, probably because of the condition of the Globe livery. Probably due to age and paint cycles, few 739s have received EvoBlu. On the Fleet site Mainline spreadsheet, I've got most aircraft posted with year of current paint.


Yes that’s understandable. But at the same time, the 739s are assuredly going to be a part of the fleet for more than a couple years. So I would think the planes that are going to remain in the fleet would get priority but I’m purely speculating!
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:25 pm

UAX Update:

E145XR:
N11184 (ex-EV) ferried ISO for conformity work for transfer to CommutAir

CR5:
N501MJ has been re-registered as N562GJ
Future CR5 N578GJ (ex-Nordica, 2003 build) leased by GoJet, await conversion
Future CR5 N579GJ (ex-Nordica, 2003 build) leased by GoJet, await conversion
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:53 pm

jayunited wrote:
It looks like 2478 / N778UA currently grounded at ORD is next in line for an entire fan blade replacement on both engines, this after 2471 / N771UA received new fan blades, neither aircraft has a RTS date yet. Do we have any idea where United acquired these replacement fan blades from?

Also looking at newly updated maintenance reports 2515 / N215UA on the ground at SFO will be the first PW to be retrofitted with a modified/strengthened engine cowling no RTS date set.

The six PW 2500 series (2510-2515) 77As do not require new fan blades at least that is what I'm seeing in the maintenance documents .

redrooster3 wrote:
2512 in IAH has new fan blades and engine runs successfully complete. Will ferry to ORD for mx checks before RTS. When that RTS is I don't know but progress is being made for the P&W 777s. Even N771UA is ferrying to XMN soon.


2512 N212UA is still on the long term storage list not seeing anything about new fan blades or it being ferried to ORD for MX checks, N212UA hasn't flown in over 440 days. That particular aircraft has been on the ground at IAH since 4/21/2020 and entered into storage on 4/28/2020. I do see where maintenance ran the engines recently and the aircraft has been moved into a hangar but I'm not finding anything related to new fan blades a MX ferry. Perhaps they just re-installed the same fan blades after they passed inspection?


N772UA was doing taxi tests in DEN a couple of days ago. Taxied to a parallel taxiway off rwy 25 and sat for about 25min before returning to the hanger.

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