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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:40 am

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sand26391 wrote:
UA's SFO-BLR delayed to December 10th, just checked on UA's website.

Youch. Definitely not a demand problem at all though, IMO. I'm sure the logistics right now are just insane, with govt regulations, etc, because there is no way they can't fill it up. In January, AI's first month of operation for the SFO-BLR route, the LF was north of 90, around 92%. That was only twice weekly and with a poor schedule. As a Bay Area native/resident, I can say without question that the demand is most definitely there, despite restrictions, despite India's covid devastation, despite anything. The combination of tech travelers + VFR travelers make for a very strong, robust market, in spite of the distance, and since no one is likely to be flying to India for business purposes right now, the VFR pax make up for that since a large portion are high earners who want the lieflat bed for the 17+ hr flight.

Hope they don't delay it beyond that. December/Jan is peak India "season."


You're correct demand isn't the problem the problem for UA right now, is Afghanistan airspace. Right now United still overflies Afghanistan on all 4 our our nonstop flights to/from India because basically have no choice however we are now operating over the extreme eastern portion of Afghan airspace to try and limit the amount of time our aircraft spend over the country. We are not able to carry any cargo to/from BOM on our 77Ws because they again follow that same path of going over the extreme eastern edge of Afghanistan then once in Pakistan airspace they turn westbound and head back towards the Gulf of Oman/Arabian Sea to land in BOM. Flights to/from DEL are all on 789s we are carrying cargo to/from DEL because those flights don't have to make that extreme of a course correction over Afghanistan.

Over the winter December through March I noticed that United's DEL-SFO flight almost never used the polar route to get home instead they would fly southeast over Bangladesh, Myanmar, China, South Korea, Japan before continuing out over the Pacific Ocean, however the SFO-DEL leg would still use the polar routes. SFO-BLR-SFO using a standard routes is already pushing the 789s almost to their limit if UA were to launch the routes in early fall I'm not sure the 789s could fly the route without some type of weight restriction because right now EWR/ORD/SFO-DEL and EWR-BOM as well as the return flights are all carrying more fuel than they normally would do to the deviation they have to make over Afghanistan.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:00 pm

N77259 737MAX8 will now go to PDX for induction instead of SEA. Scheduled to ferry at noon today PST.
N77258 737MAX8 is scheduled for SEA induction today. 737MAX number 9
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:07 pm

Pretty sure this is just MX. haven’t heard when the will start on the interiors

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Cmac787 wrote:
N14228 737-800 scheduled to exit INTMX and ferry to IAH/20 Aug
N17752 737-700 scheduled to exit INTMX and ferry to IAH/20 Aug
N12225 737-800 scheduled to enter INTMX 20 Aug

Is this maintenance work to upgrade the interiors?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:28 pm

Three 787s in XMN, #950, #959 and #960 are in for POLARIS Mods,,,,,,,
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:35 pm

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So there are 2 narrow body paint lines right now I assume?


Seeing 3 narrow bodies at AMA for paint 0127, 0704 and 4014
1 Widebody at VCV for paint...2477
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Fri Aug 20, 2021 5:26 pm

Acey559 wrote:
Cmac787 wrote:
N836UA A319 scheduled to exit AMA paint and ferry to DEN f2743
N77510 737-800 scheduled to RFD for MX/storage. Not sure which


Probably MX in RFD. We are now having AAR perform some maintenance work on the 737 in RFD so I’m guessing that’s what this is.


# 510 is in for MX.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Fri Aug 20, 2021 6:12 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
jayunited wrote:
Why do people keep saying this Delta is clearly seeing the acquisition situation differently. Delta still today has over 150 new narrowbodies on order.


I say it's different because a lot of DL's on-order aircraft are replacing the 47 MD-88s, 30 MD-90s and 38 717s that DL dumped in Covid to 6/30/2021. DL's mainline fleet was down 113 frames 12/31/2019 to 6/30/2021, per SEC filings. What's UA's net change from the seven hundred seventy-seven frames listed 12/31/2019? UA doesn't list a frame count for 2Q21, not in the 10-Q nor 8-K filings.


Don't know how accurate, but, Total Aircrafts: 900
Counted the fleets, but some are parts birds and some are not delivered yet,

total is 917 on the fleet roster....
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Fri Aug 20, 2021 6:20 pm

Cmac787 wrote:
Cancelled again. I wonder if they are waiting on 7256 to leave before 7259 is delivered. 7256 is approaching 2 weeks in SEA.

Cmac787 wrote:
Delivery flight cancelled. It has been rescheduled for Thursday.


Cmac787 wrote:
N77259 737MAX8 scheduled to enter SEA induction 17Aug. MAX8 number 8


Showing # 7526 it in the air LAS to IAH then LAS then IAH today right now....
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Fri Aug 20, 2021 6:36 pm

7526 is yes. But 7256 is still in SEA.

CALTECH wrote:
Cmac787 wrote:
Cancelled again. I wonder if they are waiting on 7256 to leave before 7259 is delivered. 7256 is approaching 2 weeks in SEA.

Cmac787 wrote:
Delivery flight cancelled. It has been rescheduled for Thursday.




Showing # 7526 it in the air LAS to IAH then LAS then IAH today right now....
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Fri Aug 20, 2021 6:40 pm

Ok. 737 MAX8 N77259 was going to PDX now is going to SEA and N27258 is now going to PDX.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sat Aug 21, 2021 1:54 pm

Cmac787 wrote:
7526 is yes. But 7256 is still in SEA.

CALTECH wrote:
Cmac787 wrote:
Cancelled again. I wonder if they are waiting on 7256 to leave before 7259 is delivered. 7256 is approaching 2 weeks in SEA.



Showing # 7526 it in the air LAS to IAH then LAS then IAH today right now....


Stewed that up.
There are some issues with tail numbers. Ops called the other day saying #518 needed MX. Guys said there was no #518 at the gate. Some relatively new Ops Agents said yes #518 was at the gate. Which gate ? It was the gate that #7518 was sitting on.

United Airlines is expecting delivery of (16) 737-8 aircraft this year, starting with aircraft 7521 and 7252 at the end of June 2021.

**** New to MAX8 Fleet, Flight Deck Audio feature added Channel 9. ****

1st Class Seats are Zodiac 6850 equipped with in-seat AVOD.

Economy class seat is Rockwell Collins Meridian, equipped with in-seat AVOD.

New to the MAX8 fleet are chillers in the aft G4 galley. MAX9s do not have chillers.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sat Aug 21, 2021 1:59 pm

Yep. These similar tail numbers are definitely going to cause some issues. Any idea when they are going to start upgrades to the interiors to match the MAX8?

CALTECH wrote:
Cmac787 wrote:
7526 is yes. But 7256 is still in SEA.

CALTECH wrote:

Showing # 7526 it in the air LAS to IAH then LAS then IAH today right now....


Stewed that up.
There are some issues with tail numbers. Ops called the other day saying #518 needed MX. Guys said there was no #518 at the gate. Some relatively new Ops Agents said yes #518 was at the gate. Which gate ? It was the gate that #7518 was sitting on.

United Airlines is expecting delivery of (16) 737-8 aircraft this year, starting with aircraft 7521 and 7252 at the end of June 2021.

**** New to MAX8 Fleet, Flight Deck Audio feature added Channel 9. ****

1st Class Seats are Zodiac 6850 equipped with in-seat AVOD.

Economy class seat is Rockwell Collins Meridian, equipped with in-seat AVOD.

New to the MAX8 fleet are chillers in the aft G4 galley. MAX9s do not have chillers.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:14 pm

N76065 767-400 is being pulled from ROW storage and scheduled to ferry ROW-SFO-GUM-HKG for MX/22Aug. This leaves only 5 767-400’s in storage.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sat Aug 21, 2021 3:06 pm

CALTECH wrote:
New to MAX8 Fleet, Flight Deck Audio feature added Channel 9.

Exciting to hear Channel 9 is back.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sat Aug 21, 2021 3:11 pm

CALTECH wrote:
Cmac787 wrote:
7526 is yes. But 7256 is still in SEA.

CALTECH wrote:

Showing # 7526 it in the air LAS to IAH then LAS then IAH today right now....


Stewed that up.
There are some issues with tail numbers. Ops called the other day saying #518 needed MX. Guys said there was no #518 at the gate. Some relatively new Ops Agents said yes #518 was at the gate. Which gate ? It was the gate that #7518 was sitting on.

United Airlines is expecting delivery of (16) 737-8 aircraft this year, starting with aircraft 7521 and 7252 at the end of June 2021.

**** New to MAX8 Fleet, Flight Deck Audio feature added Channel 9. ****

1st Class Seats are Zodiac 6850 equipped with in-seat AVOD.

Economy class seat is Rockwell Collins Meridian, equipped with in-seat AVOD.

New to the MAX8 fleet are chillers in the aft G4 galley. MAX9s do not have chillers.


Good updates as always CALTECH. I'm impressed with the new features, especially having flown the 7M9 that wasn't too exciting for 4+ hours.

I see the 1st UA Max10 flying test flights. On the UA fleet site, it states first delivery 2023. Is that right? Seems like a long time from test (I realize these are the first models) to deliery.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sat Aug 21, 2021 3:50 pm

Cmac787 wrote:
Yep. These similar tail numbers are definitely going to cause some issues. Any idea when they are going to start upgrades to the interiors to match the MAX8?

CALTECH wrote:
Cmac787 wrote:
7526 is yes. But 7256 is still in SEA.



Stewed that up.
There are some issues with tail numbers. Ops called the other day saying #518 needed MX. Guys said there was no #518 at the gate. Some relatively new Ops Agents said yes #518 was at the gate. Which gate ? It was the gate that #7518 was sitting on.

United Airlines is expecting delivery of (16) 737-8 aircraft this year, starting with aircraft 7521 and 7252 at the end of June 2021.

**** New to MAX8 Fleet, Flight Deck Audio feature added Channel 9. ****

1st Class Seats are Zodiac 6850 equipped with in-seat AVOD.

Economy class seat is Rockwell Collins Meridian, equipped with in-seat AVOD.

New to the MAX8 fleet are chillers in the aft G4 galley. MAX9s do not have chillers.

Are the chillers just because they were ordered more recently and they improved the interior, or is it because the Max8's will be used on more international routes than the Max9's (like S America)?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:36 pm

Cmac787 wrote:
Yep. These similar tail numbers are definitely going to cause some issues. Any idea when they are going to start upgrades to the interiors to match the MAX8?



Haven't heard anything yet.


737-8 MAX Differences

ViaSat KA-Band satellite Internet.

Bluetooth Headset capability at every seat

Gate-to-Gate Wi-Fi

The MAX8 aircraft will come with a LHS HUD unit installed but deactivated

Wheel and tires are identical to the MAX9 series. NG and MAX wheels and tires are not interchangeable.

LEAP-1B rated at 28,000 lbf. Completely different hardware than CFM56-7B, parts not interchangeable

Prone to cold start / 1st flight of day fluid leaks, similar 5-minute warm-up procedure as NG fleet

Built in bowed rotor motoring to prevent damage, increases start up time up to 2 minutes

adamblang wrote:
Exciting to hear Channel 9 is back.

Yes, would be nice if they retro-fitted the whole fleet........

fun2fly wrote:
Good updates as always CALTECH. I'm impressed with the new features, especially having flown the 7M9 that wasn't too exciting for 4+ hours.

I see the 1st UA Max10 flying test flights. On the UA fleet site, it states first delivery 2023. Is that right? Seems like a long time from test (I realize these are the first models) to deliery.


After the MAX debacle, the FAA is going to put Boeing and the MAX and 777X through the wringer.

cosyr wrote:
Are the chillers just because they were ordered more recently and they improved the interior, or is it because the Max8's will be used on more international routes than the Max9's (like S America)?


Above my pay grade as to why. But interestingly....

Model................Total Seats...............Design Range
-8.......................166...........................2746
-9.......................179...........................3108
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sat Aug 21, 2021 5:29 pm

Channel 9 is installed on the MAX 8s but it is not currently allowed to be used.
 
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Sat Aug 21, 2021 5:30 pm

How are the yields on UA to PEK, PVG & HKG? Which Chinese stations are open on UA right now?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sat Aug 21, 2021 6:11 pm

CALTECH:
As always, great information and thanks.
I know some 739ERs have ViaSatKA and had assumed the same for 39M.
Does the 38M not have an aux tank and 39M does? Why else would 39M have greater range?
According to Wiki, the 738 has 2935 NM range, which is less than above for 38M.
Maybe design range is different than Boeing's stated range.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sat Aug 21, 2021 6:25 pm

x1234 wrote:
How are the yields on UA to PEK, PVG & HKG? Which Chinese stations are open on UA right now?


Of these UA is only flying to PVG right now.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sat Aug 21, 2021 6:38 pm

Yeah I don't know about those range numbers, we have seen plenty of dense MAX 8s operate some awfully long flights. What units of distance are you using CALTECH?
 
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Sat Aug 21, 2021 6:42 pm

Do you know if the BOS P2P is coming back?
 
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Sat Aug 21, 2021 7:14 pm

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Yeah I don't know about those range numbers, we have seen plenty of dense MAX 8s operate some awfully long flights. What units of distance are you using CALTECH?


Nautical Miles...
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sat Aug 21, 2021 8:08 pm

fun2fly wrote:

Good updates as always CALTECH. I'm impressed with the new features, especially having flown the 7M9 that wasn't too exciting for 4+ hours.

I see the 1st UA Max10 flying test flights. On the UA fleet site, it states first delivery 2023. Is that right? Seems like a long time from test (I realize these are the first models) to deliery.


The interior of United's MAX8s puts our MAX9s to shame, I for one I'm glad United is doing an about face on the installation of PTV screens the MAX8s cabin just looks better more (for lack of a better word) upscale compared to the MAX9.

Unfortunately I think (I don't know for sure) but I think the MAX9s already in the fleet will probably be some of the last aircraft reconfigured because United already paid quite a bit of money on those seats they probably are going to fly those aircraft around without PTV's until 2025 which is when the project is supposed to wrap up.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sat Aug 21, 2021 9:07 pm

jayunited wrote:
fun2fly wrote:

Good updates as always CALTECH. I'm impressed with the new features, especially having flown the 7M9 that wasn't too exciting for 4+ hours.

I see the 1st UA Max10 flying test flights. On the UA fleet site, it states first delivery 2023. Is that right? Seems like a long time from test (I realize these are the first models) to deliery.


The interior of United's MAX8s puts our MAX9s to shame, I for one I'm glad United is doing an about face on the installation of PTV screens the MAX8s cabin just looks better more (for lack of a better word) upscale compared to the MAX9.

Unfortunately I think (I don't know for sure) but I think the MAX9s already in the fleet will probably be some of the last aircraft reconfigured because United already paid quite a bit of money on those seats they probably are going to fly those aircraft around without PTV's until 2025 which is when the project is supposed to wrap up.


I believe they are the same physical seats, which are compatible with embedded IFE. Theoretically a PTV can be retrofit into the existing seats without having to buy all new hardware. I guess time will tell… the 9s should be a pretty straightforward mod since adding the IFE suite is really the only major change… maybe bulkhead walls too?
 
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Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:40 pm

cosyr wrote:
Are the chillers just because they were ordered more recently and they improved the interior, or is it because the Max8's will be used on more international routes than the Max9's (like S America)?


Different group of people running the show between MAX9 / MAX8 LOPAs. Chiller retrofits are planned.
 
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Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:44 pm

Looks like most of the 763’s have exited HKG. Are they planning to send anymore 300’s anytime soon, particularly those still parked in Roswell?
 
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Sat Aug 21, 2021 11:44 pm

CALTECH wrote:

Above my pay grade as to why. But interestingly....

Model................Total Seats...............Design Range
-8.......................166...........................2746
-9.......................179...........................3108


What is the MTOW rating of each? Perhaps UA didn’t pay for full rated Max 8’s hence the range reduction.
 
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Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:13 am

Only 3 767-300’s left in storage. None have Polaris and have the old Diamond seats

kaitakfan wrote:
Looks like most of the 763’s have exited HKG. Are they planning to send anymore 300’s anytime soon, particularly those still parked in Roswell?
 
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Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:14 am

Cmac787 wrote:
Only 3 767-300’s left in storage. None have Polaris and have the old Diamond seats

kaitakfan wrote:
Looks like most of the 763’s have exited HKG. Are they planning to send anymore 300’s anytime soon, particularly those still parked in Roswell?


Are they coming out anytime soon?
 
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Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:18 am

Looks like the 400’s are coming out first. No activity showing in the next week for the 3 in storage. Maybe Cal tech has more info. I know the last Polaris 767 just got to HKG this week. That was N666UA and N673UA is just about back to ORD from MX

kaitakfan wrote:
Cmac787 wrote:
Only 3 767-300’s left in storage. None have Polaris and have the old Diamond seats

kaitakfan wrote:
Looks like most of the 763’s have exited HKG. Are they planning to send anymore 300’s anytime soon, particularly those still parked in Roswell?


Are they coming out anytime soon?
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Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:35 am

N14731 737-700 scheduled for AMA paint 23aug which probably means N14704 is coming out.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:08 am

I question the posted ranges for the MAX above.

Boeings own website lists the range at 3550nm for both models. The -9 requires an aux tank to fly that far however.

https://www.boeing.com/commercial/737max/
 
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Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:27 am

Caspian27 wrote:
Channel 9 is installed on the MAX 8s but it is not currently allowed to be used.


Anecdotally, the pilots I’ve spoken to wouldn’t use it even if they were allowed…. Ch9 is a thing of the past in my opinion.
 
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Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:35 pm

N14704 737-700 exiting AMA paint today with Evo blue livery and will ferry to ORD.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sun Aug 22, 2021 1:45 pm

At the risk of sounding needy, I’m looking firward to our jayunited load factor forecast and report.

I have a feeling passenger counts may be starting to gobdown as kids return to school, but we’ll see.
 
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Sun Aug 22, 2021 1:56 pm

N34460 737-900ER scheduled to enter RFDMX 22aug.
 
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Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:42 pm

sldispatcher wrote:
At the risk of sounding needy, I’m looking firward to our jayunited load factor forecast and report.

I have a feeling passenger counts may be starting to gobdown as kids return to school, but we’ll see.


Oh yes thank you for the reminder, the numbers for this week did come out yesterday and they are down as expected.

During the the first 2 weeks in August United flew 2.7 million revenue passengers each week, those numbers were higher than what we saw during the week of July 4th.

Last week August 15th through August 21st that number cam down to just under 2.6 million revenue passengers.

This week which is the last full week in August, August 22nd through August 28th the numbers are down again to 2.4 million revenue passengers.

I'm not sure we've leveled off just yet, I think the revenue numbers may come down another 100,000 maybe even 200,000 passengers, leveling off somewhere around 2.2 million revenue passengers each week until we get close to the Thanksgiving season.

Looking at the data that comes out with the numbers United isn't attributing this drop in revenue passenger to people cancel their trips as a result of the Delta variant, instead United is attributing the decline in revenue passengers to the normal decline we see in leisure travel as summer travel season winds down. Also I'm not sure we will see much of an increase in business travel even though more people are heading back to work. I hope I'm wrong about the business traffic but I think we may not see business traffic come back in large numbers until 2022.

This week there isn't a single United hub with revenue load factors in the 90% range, in fact EWR is the only hub above 84% revenue load factor this week at 84.8%. DEN, IAH, and ORD are all in the low 80% or even 78.3% (ORD) revenue load factor. IAD's revenue load factor has dropped down to 73.5% for the week however both SFO and LAX have really dropped, their revenue load factors are down to 68.4% and 66.3% respectively for the week.

This week also sees the return of the dramatic drop off in the total number of booked revenue passengers traveling on Tuesday's and Wednesdays, so if you are nonreving those are probably the best days to travel and who knows you might even score a first class seat on a domestic flight as a nonrev on one of those two days.
 
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Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:49 pm

Thank you!
I don’t have a feel for how low for sure. I have two trips booked in October.

It would be nice to see current planned gauge/service levels able to be maintained. Other carriers may have to slash more than United if the trend continues?
 
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Sun Aug 22, 2021 6:43 pm

Anyone have any update on the slot usage requirements? The EWR late October/early November schedule is very large.
 
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Sun Aug 22, 2021 7:04 pm

sldispatcher wrote:
Thank you!
I don’t have a feel for how low for sure. I have two trips booked in October.

It would be nice to see current planned gauge/service levels able to be maintained. Other carriers may have to slash more than United if the trend continues?



Hopefully our weekly revenue passenger numbers don't slip below 2.2 million per week if we can stay at or above that number perhaps United will hold capacity where it is or slightly trim capacity in select markets. If our weekly revenue numbers drop to 2.1 or even 2.0 million ( I hope we don't that low) then United may be forced to actually cut capacity to conserve cash.

The good news out of all of this, if there is good news is we are not seeing last minute cancellations with passengers cancel their travel plans as a result of the Delta variant surge. Hopefully it is a sign people at least in this country are beginning to accept the fact that we are going to have to live with this virus for the foreseeable future.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sun Aug 22, 2021 7:16 pm

There seems to be a larger drop in leisure travel so far, which will hurt ULCCs and LCCs more. But we have seen business travel sales going in the opposite direction for the first time in several weeks. Business travel policies tend to take some time to get changed. If corporate travel policy stays at current level until November (which is when a lot of companies have their updated RTO), then domestic business travel bookings probably won't increase noticeably above the current level (which is down 60% vs 2019) until after new years. All this assumes the north part of the country does not have more surges during winter time and that the current vaccines continue to work reasonably well.

I think AA's talk of domestic business travel been back to 2019 level by next summer was a little premature.

It seems to me that UA probably doesn't need to cut capacity levels below July/August levels, but most of the LCCs and AA will need to.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:20 pm

UA is adjusting schedules some 3-4 weeks out. In early Aug, my CLE>CHS flight was reroute from EWR to ORD approx. 21 days prior to departure, return was moved from EWR to IAD. I never would have booked a backtrack flight. More importantly, it probably highlights that the CHS experiment this summer didn't go as well as one would think with the new N/S services. Fellow travelers are heading out one day early on the CLE>CHS direct not offered daily.

I wonder if these experimental routes will pop up again for the fall/winter FLA season again?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:59 pm

Drop in LF could be the result of the kids schooling starting back up.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:15 am

fun2fly wrote:
UA is adjusting schedules some 3-4 weeks out. In early Aug, my CLE>CHS flight was reroute from EWR to ORD approx. 21 days prior to departure, return was moved from EWR to IAD. I never would have booked a backtrack flight. More importantly, it probably highlights that the CHS experiment this summer didn't go as well as one would think with the new N/S services. Fellow travelers are heading out one day early on the CLE>CHS direct not offered daily.

I wonder if these experimental routes will pop up again for the fall/winter FLA season again?



Wait what?

United is still operating CLE-CHS nonstop 3x weekly (Monday/Thursday/Saturday) UA4599/UA4461 the route runs through September 6th. This route never operated daily it was always a 3x weekly on CRJ550 and that includes the month of August as well.

Out of CLE United continues to operate 3x weekly service to HHH, PWM, PNS,and CHS until September 6th all flights are scheduled on CRJ 550s

I don't understand why your CLE-CHS flight was rerouted through any hub 21 days in advance. Or were you mistakenly booked on a connecting flight instead of the nonstop?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:48 am

EssentialBusDC wrote:
I question the posted ranges for the MAX above.

Boeings own website lists the range at 3550nm for both models. The -9 requires an aux tank to fly that far however.

https://www.boeing.com/commercial/737max/


Question United, they posted the numbers.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:33 pm

jayunited wrote:
fun2fly wrote:
UA is adjusting schedules some 3-4 weeks out. In early Aug, my CLE>CHS flight was reroute from EWR to ORD approx. 21 days prior to departure, return was moved from EWR to IAD. I never would have booked a backtrack flight. More importantly, it probably highlights that the CHS experiment this summer didn't go as well as one would think with the new N/S services. Fellow travelers are heading out one day early on the CLE>CHS direct not offered daily.

I wonder if these experimental routes will pop up again for the fall/winter FLA season again?



Wait what?

United is still operating CLE-CHS nonstop 3x weekly (Monday/Thursday/Saturday) UA4599/UA4461 the route runs through September 6th. This route never operated daily it was always a 3x weekly on CRJ550 and that includes the month of August as well.

Out of CLE United continues to operate 3x weekly service to HHH, PWM, PNS,and CHS until September 6th all flights are scheduled on CRJ 550s

I don't understand why your CLE-CHS flight was rerouted through any hub 21 days in advance. Or were you mistakenly booked on a connecting flight instead of the nonstop?


Sorry, the post wasn't clear. I was traveling on Fri and Sun, so no non stops (my family is on the N/S on THU). My flights in both directions were rerouted and there is significantly less capacity into CHS than was announced earlier in the summer announcement. It was a pretty close in change to the schedule, which is atypical even in Covid times.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:49 pm

fun2fly wrote:
jayunited wrote:
fun2fly wrote:
UA is adjusting schedules some 3-4 weeks out. In early Aug, my CLE>CHS flight was reroute from EWR to ORD approx. 21 days prior to departure, return was moved from EWR to IAD. I never would have booked a backtrack flight. More importantly, it probably highlights that the CHS experiment this summer didn't go as well as one would think with the new N/S services. Fellow travelers are heading out one day early on the CLE>CHS direct not offered daily.

I wonder if these experimental routes will pop up again for the fall/winter FLA season again?



Wait what?

United is still operating CLE-CHS nonstop 3x weekly (Monday/Thursday/Saturday) UA4599/UA4461 the route runs through September 6th. This route never operated daily it was always a 3x weekly on CRJ550 and that includes the month of August as well.

Out of CLE United continues to operate 3x weekly service to HHH, PWM, PNS,and CHS until September 6th all flights are scheduled on CRJ 550s

I don't understand why your CLE-CHS flight was rerouted through any hub 21 days in advance. Or were you mistakenly booked on a connecting flight instead of the nonstop?


Sorry, the post wasn't clear. I was traveling on Fri and Sun, so no non stops (my family is on the N/S on THU). My flights in both directions were rerouted and there is significantly less capacity into CHS than was announced earlier in the summer announcement. It was a pretty close in change to the schedule, which is atypical even in Covid times.

EWR was trimmed due to runway construction so you were routed through another hub. They aren’t trimming the entire schedule that close in any more.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:55 pm

fun2fly wrote:
UA is adjusting schedules some 3-4 weeks out. In early Aug, my CLE>CHS flight was reroute from EWR to ORD approx. 21 days prior to departure, return was moved from EWR to IAD. I never would have booked a backtrack flight. More importantly, it probably highlights that the CHS experiment this summer didn't go as well as one would think with the new N/S services. Fellow travelers are heading out one day early on the CLE>CHS direct not offered daily.

I wonder if these experimental routes will pop up again for the fall/winter FLA season again?

Does anyone know if the Florida experimental routes will pop up again?

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