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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:20 pm

Does anyone know if the Florida P2P routes are coming back from BOS?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:34 pm

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FlyGuy27 wrote:
Lots of screaming and yelling about the 752 on the JFK transcons. While it is a product downgrade from the high-J 763, it is consistent with what has been offered out of Newark for years (yes, more recently the AM departures have been a wide body).

If you’re a United / Star flyer, you’ll stick with the familiar (although slightly tired) 752 out of JFK.

Also, although tired, the seat is the same as the J seat on AA or DL, better than AS, and complicated to compare to B6. Obviously, this is when AA/DL are flying their typical 752 or 321 transcon fleets, and not comparing AA's F product.


A bit more than half of the active 752 fleet was recently refreshed with new seat coverings, branding update, etc. These are not "tired" looking by most standards. Sure, they're not as impressive as the 76L, but this is not a 1998 738 being thrown on the route. And as pointed out, it's very competitive compared to peers, especially in Y which is what is driving the traffic. The non-refreshed 752's have seen better days -- i agree -- but this is not end of the world.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:32 pm

Actually I believe it's 12 of 40 completed with the new 116/160 configuration on 752.
Of those 9 are flying, so today flying units are 9 new config of 17 in service.
2 16/160 units still in ROW and 1 in RTS maint. at GSO.
3 old config units should return soon from RTS maint and paint. Hopefully the 2 units in ILN might get the refub.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:51 pm

N27260 737-MAX8 is scheduled for SEA induction F2702/27Aug. Not sure what is going on with N27256. Is been in SEA for almost 3 weeks.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:48 am

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United BOS-LHR

Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:59 am

Anyone know if/when United's new BOS-LHR flight will launch? Haven't heard anything since the press release...
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:59 pm

It was a dog and pony show to counteract B6 for the expansion at Newark.

B6 isnt launching this year. Neither is UA.

There is zero commitment from UA on this route.
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:30 pm

The market's not there and let's be honest, UA was always going to struggle on this route, which requires meaningful corporate demand to sustain a non hub route like that for an airline like UA.
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Thu Aug 26, 2021 2:31 pm

I still think, if this does go, it needs to drop to a 752, just like JFK-SFO/LAX.
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Thu Aug 26, 2021 2:57 pm

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I still think, if this does go, it needs to drop to a 752, just like JFK-SFO/LAX.


Or just wait until they have the A321XLR on property, but by then B6 will have launched.
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:08 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
It was a dog and pony show to counteract B6 for the expansion at Newark.

B6 isnt launching this year. Neither is UA.

There is zero commitment from UA on this route.


This.
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:31 pm

CALMSP wrote:
I still think, if this does go, it needs to drop to a 752, just like JFK-SFO/LAX.


That's just not going to be a competitive product in the BOS-London market, not for business class amenities nor for coach CASM, against AA/BA/DL/VS. 752s may be suited to thin TATL markets where there's little or no non-stop competition.
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:45 pm

Fun fact: ALL aircraft currently in UA's mainline fleet are able to complete the route LHR-BOS non-stop.
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:10 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
It was a dog and pony show to counteract B6 for the expansion at Newark.

B6 isnt launching this year. Neither is UA.

There is zero commitment from UA on this route.


That's really all it is.

UA launch date (if it happens at all) on BOS-LHR won't come before B6 announces one.

Of note is the fact that UA's track record on these type of "reactionary" flights is horrific. It would be remarkable if: (a) the route actually ever launches; and (b) it lasts more than a season or two.
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:16 pm

hitower3 wrote:
Fun fact: ALL aircraft currently in UA's mainline fleet are able to complete the route LHR-BOS non-stop.

737-900ER has the range for this?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:39 pm

N814UA scheduled to exit AMA paint with Evo blue livery 26Aug. And ferry AMA-DEN
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:47 pm

AirKevin wrote:
hitower3 wrote:
Fun fact: ALL aircraft currently in UA's mainline fleet are able to complete the route LHR-BOS non-stop.

737-900ER has the range for this?


Surprisingly, yes. At least on paper. London to Boston (direct) clocks at 3,269 mi (5265km), and the 739ER has a published range of around ~3392 mi (5460km).
Granted, that's not factoring headwinds and taking a slightly longer airway and such.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:56 pm

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N814UA scheduled to exit AMA paint with Evo blue livery 26Aug. And ferry AMA-DEN


Is that an A319?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:08 pm

avi8 wrote:
Cmac787 wrote:
N814UA scheduled to exit AMA paint with Evo blue livery 26Aug. And ferry AMA-DEN


Is that an A319?


Yes..of the original 55 319s delivered to UA.
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:33 pm

hitower3 wrote:
Fun fact: ALL aircraft currently in UA's mainline fleet are able to complete the route LHR-BOS non-stop.


Although the Airbuses aren't ETOPS. I also think the A320 would really struggle to make it with a meaningful payload.

The old P.S. 757's also aren't ETOPS but I don't know if those are still technically in the fleet or not.
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:01 pm

FlyingMSY wrote:
AirKevin wrote:
hitower3 wrote:
Fun fact: ALL aircraft currently in UA's mainline fleet are able to complete the route LHR-BOS non-stop.

737-900ER has the range for this?


Surprisingly, yes. At least on paper. London to Boston (direct) clocks at 3,269 mi (5265km), and the 739ER has a published range of around ~3392 mi (5460km).
Granted, that's not factoring headwinds and taking a slightly longer airway and such.

Correct.

As long as you don't apply any of the required planning considerations, the 737-900ER does just fine. In the real world, it consistently could make it most of the way across the Atlantic. ;)

Spoiler: there's a very good reason why UAL did not consider using the 737-900ER transatlantic for one second. Meanwhile UAL has ordered 737-8s and 321XLRs that will be equipped and capable for oceanic service.
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:09 pm

Has the market reached saturation in Boston for London flights ? British Airways, Virgin , AA and JB how many can Logan handle ? United may be one too many whatever plane they fly.
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:12 pm

I believe there will be enough metal flying between Boston and Heathrow next spring without UA jumping in. The move was always thought to be reactionary and curious, and I think UA will simply bank on folks forgetting this was even a thing.
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:21 pm

airplanedriver6 wrote:
Meanwhile UAL has ordered 737-8s and 321XLRs that will be equipped and capable for oceanic service.


"Equipped for" and "capable of" are two different things. There is no plan at United for the 737-8 to have an international cabin... 737-10 (but primarily for transcon) and 321XLR, yes.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:27 pm

Usually I add that on the post. My bad! :D

avi8 wrote:
Cmac787 wrote:
N814UA scheduled to exit AMA paint with Evo blue livery 26Aug. And ferry AMA-DEN


Is that an A319?
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:40 pm

FlyingMSY wrote:
AirKevin wrote:
hitower3 wrote:
Fun fact: ALL aircraft currently in UA's mainline fleet are able to complete the route LHR-BOS non-stop.

737-900ER has the range for this?


Surprisingly, yes. At least on paper. London to Boston (direct) clocks at 3,269 mi (5265km), and the 739ER has a published range of around ~3392 mi (5460km).
Granted, that's not factoring headwinds and taking a slightly longer airway and such.


How about the non-ER 739s or the 320s?
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:47 pm

FlyingMSY wrote:
AirKevin wrote:
hitower3 wrote:
Fun fact: ALL aircraft currently in UA's mainline fleet are able to complete the route LHR-BOS non-stop.

737-900ER has the range for this?


Surprisingly, yes. At least on paper. London to Boston (direct) clocks at 3,269 mi (5265km), and the 739ER has a published range of around ~3392 mi (5460km).
Granted, that's not factoring headwinds and taking a slightly longer airway and such.

Sure, if we're going to suspend disbelief.

But in the real world, no, 739ER isn't capable of doing that route, with anything remotely approaching profit-potential capacities within regulation.
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Fri Aug 27, 2021 12:36 am

Dominion301 wrote:
FlyingMSY wrote:
AirKevin wrote:
737-900ER has the range for this?


Surprisingly, yes. At least on paper. London to Boston (direct) clocks at 3,269 mi (5265km), and the 739ER has a published range of around ~3392 mi (5460km).
Granted, that's not factoring headwinds and taking a slightly longer airway and such.


How about the non-ER 739s or the 320s?

I don't think the -900s can do it, but another website seems to indicate those are stored, so I don't know if I would really call that active in the fleet.
 
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Fri Aug 27, 2021 12:44 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
CALMSP wrote:
I still think, if this does go, it needs to drop to a 752, just like JFK-SFO/LAX.


That's just not going to be a competitive product in the BOS-London market, not for business class amenities nor for coach CASM, against AA/BA/DL/VS. 752s may be suited to thin TATL markets where there's little or no non-stop competition.


eh, but it would be enough for STAR flyers.
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:21 am

codc10 wrote:
airplanedriver6 wrote:
Meanwhile UAL has ordered 737-8s and 321XLRs that will be equipped and capable for oceanic service.


"Equipped for" and "capable of" are two different things. There is no plan at United for the 737-8 to have an international cabin... 737-10 (but primarily for transcon) and 321XLR, yes.

Agreed.

Of course, UAL 737 pilots are also receiving Atlantic training despite the current absence of an “international” cabin on that fleet.

UAL is keeping all its options open for *something* down the road.
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:09 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
CALMSP wrote:
I still think, if this does go, it needs to drop to a 752, just like JFK-SFO/LAX.


That's just not going to be a competitive product in the BOS-London market, not for business class amenities nor for coach CASM, against AA/BA/DL/VS. 752s may be suited to thin TATL markets where there's little or no non-stop competition.


Significant traffic potential from academia - MIT / Boston College and their links with Oxford / Cambridge / LSE. Many professors etc don’t fly coach.

Also GE HQ now in Boston and while they have a corporate flight department, it shrunk significantly during last round of cost reduction. One stop connection via LHR to Star Alliance network gives options beyond FRA / MUC as a hub
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:58 am

The business travel market won't be there for quite a while. No way united launches this anytime soon.
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Fri Aug 27, 2021 4:08 am

Corporate contracts will dictate when this route begins. For anyone to pontificate their "inside web knowledge" is nothing more than water cooler talk.
 
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Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:20 am

codc10 wrote:
airplanedriver6 wrote:
Meanwhile UAL has ordered 737-8s and 321XLRs that will be equipped and capable for oceanic service.


"Equipped for" and "capable of" are two different things. There is no plan at United for the 737-8 to have an international cabin... 737-10 (but primarily for transcon) and 321XLR, yes.

Actually, if I remember correctly, after the UA Next order announcement/strategy update, they basically said that those 70 321neos (which can seat slightly more pax than the MAX 10s) will be the primary transcon aircraft. The MAX 10 is set to be the high-volume, low-medium range heavy lifter. So I would doubt that we see MAX 10s getting lieflats, whereas all A321s in the fleet should feature lieflat J. The one caveat of that is if they plan on using the MAX 10 to fly from the West Coast to Hawaii - in which case, we'll likely see lieflat J shoved in the nose of that specific subfleet.

The next few years may be some of the most interesting in UA's history to watch.

Oh, and what's the status on the 359 order? Anyone got a clue as to what UA's gonna do with regards to that?
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:59 am

Dear all,

Sorry to have unintentionally opened a can of worms here. :-)
My remark about the whole fleet of UA being capable to fly LHR-BOS did not imply that UA should start flying narrowbodies on that route, or that all NBs are actually ETOPS certified, or that it would make economic sense to use 737s on transatlantic routes, etc.

I simply wanted to raise awareness about the capability of modern "regional" aircraft. Back in 1959-1960, the early 707s sometimes struggled to fly LHR-IDW (later to become JFK) westbound non-stop against the wind. Today, your average 320 NEO or 737-MAX8 will complete the mission with ease, while using less than half of the fuel. We have come a looong way!

Hendric
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:18 am

USA borders closed with no end in sight. I don’t see why United would be launching a new transatlantic route. I don’t know why JetBlue have, except I guess they want to get their clogs on the Heathrow concrete while they can, and can afford the losses that will follow for the foreseeable
 
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Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:23 am

hitower3 wrote:
I simply wanted to raise awareness about the capability of modern "regional" aircraft. Back in 1959-1960, the early 707s sometimes struggled to fly LHR-IDW (later to become JFK) westbound non-stop against the wind. Today, your average 320 NEO or 737-MAX8 will complete the mission with ease, while using less than half of the fuel. We have come a looong way!

Hendric

Pan Am’s 707-121 turbojets never flew LAP-IDL nonstop. The outbound leg out of New York stopped in Gander and the return to the United States stopped in Keflavik. Not occasional stops, daily scheduled stops. And American Airlines’ 707-123 turbojets even made occasional stops for fuel operating IDL-LAX. An impressive bird — compared to the DC-6.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q3 2021

Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:34 am

N26226 737-800 entering MCO MX 27Aug
N33103 757-200 entering GSO MX 27Aug
N453UA A320 entering TPA MX 27Aug
 
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Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:58 am

cedarjet wrote:
Pan Am’s 707-121 turbojets never flew LAP-IDL nonstop. The outbound leg out of New York stopped in Gander and the return to the United States stopped in Keflavik. Not occasional stops, daily scheduled stops. And American Airlines’ 707-123 turbojets even made occasional stops for fuel operating IDL-LAX. An impressive bird — compared to the DC-6.


OK I stand corrected. These early turbojets were sooo thirsty!
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:59 am

hitower3 wrote:
Fun fact: ALL aircraft currently in UA's mainline fleet are able to complete the route LHR-BOS non-stop.


Not exactly true. The A320 fleet isn’t ETOPS and the 737 fleet only has 1 airplane with SATCOM. The MAX fleet may see it. Will see about funding
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Fri Aug 27, 2021 12:19 pm

Massport themselves isn't projecting business travel to really rebound until 2023 (of course this can change). This route is not happening. Boston to London, while large and an important route connecting two of the world's largest financial centers, is very well served between DL, VS, AA and BA, and soon B6.
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Fri Aug 27, 2021 12:27 pm

B752OS wrote:
Massport themselves isn't projecting business travel to really rebound until 2023 (of course this can change). This route is not happening. Boston to London, while large and an important route connecting two of the world's largest financial centers, is very well served between DL, VS, AA and BA, and soon B6.

One can argue it’s well served only by AA, BA, DL and VS, I wouldn’t include B6 just as UA who has yet to start the route. There is no need for either of them on the route
 
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Fri Aug 27, 2021 12:41 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
B752OS wrote:
Massport themselves isn't projecting business travel to really rebound until 2023 (of course this can change). This route is not happening. Boston to London, while large and an important route connecting two of the world's largest financial centers, is very well served between DL, VS, AA and BA, and soon B6.

One can argue it’s well served only by AA, BA, DL and VS, I wouldn’t include B6 just as UA who has yet to start the route. There is no need for either of them on the route


Or one could argue that there is no need to have AA, DL and VS here, since the largest airlines on the two ends are BA and B6.
 
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Fri Aug 27, 2021 12:52 pm

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One can argue it’s well served only by AA, BA, DL and VS, I wouldn’t include B6 just as UA who has yet to start the route. There is no need for either of them on the route


I don't know whether United actually will launch BOS-LHR they gone completely silent on this routes since its announcement. United recently talked about IAD-LOS and SFO-BLR but nothing so far about BOS-LHR. Who knows what is going to happen but it doesn't change the facts that United has another year round slot at LHR so if United does not follow through and launch BOS-LHR they will use the slot from another US airport. No matter how you look at it whether you feel like there is or isn't a need for another carrier on a specific LHR route the facts are United has a slot, they are going to give up the slot, or sell the slot and once the waivers are done and 80/20 rule is back in effect United will need to use the slot, the question is, if not from BOS then where?
 
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Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:06 pm

tphuang wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
B752OS wrote:
Massport themselves isn't projecting business travel to really rebound until 2023 (of course this can change). This route is not happening. Boston to London, while large and an important route connecting two of the world's largest financial centers, is very well served between DL, VS, AA and BA, and soon B6.

One can argue it’s well served only by AA, BA, DL and VS, I wouldn’t include B6 just as UA who has yet to start the route. There is no need for either of them on the route


Or one could argue that there is no need to have AA, DL and VS here, since the largest airlines on the two ends are BA and B6.


Valid point. However B6 is the only new entrant in the market and only has mass brand recognition on one side of the pond.

Either way, it could be interesting to see how this plays out once AA, BA, DL, VS, UA & B6 are flying the route, who will drop it first is the real question here.
 
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Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:14 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
tphuang wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
One can argue it’s well served only by AA, BA, DL and VS, I wouldn’t include B6 just as UA who has yet to start the route. There is no need for either of them on the route


Or one could argue that there is no need to have AA, DL and VS here, since the largest airlines on the two ends are BA and B6.


Valid point. However B6 is the only new entrant in the market and only has mass brand recognition on one side of the pond.

Either way, it could be interesting to see how this plays out once AA, BA, DL, VS, UA & B6 are flying the route, who will drop it first is the real question here.


you can make the same argument that AA and DL are also new or recent entrant in the BOS-LHR market.

Whether VS survives another winter of minimal long haul travel out of UK is a big question
 
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Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:42 pm

As a Boston based UA FF I'm going to go against the general consensus and say that a UA BOS-LHR is much needed and would do well.
LHR is BOS's largest international market by a long shot. IIRC, BOS is LHR's second largest U.S. market after NYC. It's a huge market that *A/A++ is missing out on. And although UA doesn't call LHR a hub, T2 is a de facto *A hub. BOS-LHR and BOS-NRT are 2 routes that I'd argue, need a *A presence.
 
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Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:48 pm

jayunited wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
One can argue it’s well served only by AA, BA, DL and VS, I wouldn’t include B6 just as UA who has yet to start the route. There is no need for either of them on the route


I don't know whether United actually will launch BOS-LHR they gone completely silent on this routes since its announcement. United recently talked about IAD-LOS and SFO-BLR but nothing so far about BOS-LHR. Who knows what is going to happen but it doesn't change the facts that United has another year round slot at LHR so if United does not follow through and launch BOS-LHR they will use the slot from another US airport. No matter how you look at it whether you feel like there is or isn't a need for another carrier on a specific LHR route the facts are United has a slot, they are going to give up the slot, or sell the slot and once the waivers are done and 80/20 rule is back in effect United will need to use the slot, the question is, if not from BOS then where?


The easiest use is another EWR frequency (as was originally planned for the slot), though I doubt there will be sufficient business traffic to justify it any time in the next year or so. The short-lived plan for LAX-LHR #2 became EWR-LHR #6, and the NZ slot was publicly filed as EWR-LHR #7.

BOS-LHR is relatively "easy" in that it requires the least aircraft time and has lower direct trip costs than anything in the UA LHR portfolio, but it doesn't make sense if the UA/*A value proposition at Boston is minimal and United is relegated to picking up scraps left by the incumbents.

My dark horse candidate for an additional LHR frequency in the intermediate/long-term is DEN. If the company gets Denver to ~700 dailies in 2 years like it's been telling pilots, the sheer volume means there might be a more lucrative market for a DEN-LHR #2 than BOS-LHR.
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:47 pm

airbazar wrote:
As a Boston based UA FF I'm going to go against the general consensus and say that a UA BOS-LHR is much needed and would do well.
LHR is BOS's largest international market by a long shot. IIRC, BOS is LHR's second largest U.S. market after NYC. It's a huge market that *A/A++ is missing out on. And although UA doesn't call LHR a hub, T2 is a de facto *A hub. BOS-LHR and BOS-NRT are 2 routes that I'd argue, need a *A presence.



You chose to be a UA FF in Boston. UA flies to hubs from BOS. BOS is a spoke. LHR is a spoke. You will connect in EWR to go to LHR.

That is why people usually are FF of airlines that have large, diverse ops in their home city. They avoid connections
 
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Re: United BOS-LHR

Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:48 pm

codc10 wrote:
jayunited wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
One can argue it’s well served only by AA, BA, DL and VS, I wouldn’t include B6 just as UA who has yet to start the route. There is no need for either of them on the route


I don't know whether United actually will launch BOS-LHR they gone completely silent on this routes since its announcement. United recently talked about IAD-LOS and SFO-BLR but nothing so far about BOS-LHR. Who knows what is going to happen but it doesn't change the facts that United has another year round slot at LHR so if United does not follow through and launch BOS-LHR they will use the slot from another US airport. No matter how you look at it whether you feel like there is or isn't a need for another carrier on a specific LHR route the facts are United has a slot, they are going to give up the slot, or sell the slot and once the waivers are done and 80/20 rule is back in effect United will need to use the slot, the question is, if not from BOS then where?


The easiest use is another EWR frequency (as was originally planned for the slot), though I doubt there will be sufficient business traffic to justify it any time in the next year or so. The short-lived plan for LAX-LHR #2 became EWR-LHR #6, and the NZ slot was publicly filed as EWR-LHR #7.

BOS-LHR is relatively "easy" in that it requires the least aircraft time and has lower direct trip costs than anything in the UA LHR portfolio, but it doesn't make sense if the UA/*A value proposition at Boston is minimal and United is relegated to picking up scraps left by the incumbents.

My dark horse candidate for an additional LHR frequency in the intermediate/long-term is DEN. If the company gets Denver to ~700 dailies in 2 years like it's been telling pilots, the sheer volume means there might be a more lucrative market for a DEN-LHR #2 than BOS-LHR.


My understanding is the LAX 2 became DEN - LHR. Also,, the BOS slot was actually another slot picked up by UA and not one taken from EWR.
I think UA would choose BOS over 2x DEN because of a couple of reasons. BOS *A flyers have to backtrack to get to LHR on any *A carrier. As well as DEN would require more than q frame for daily flying to LHR. Right now it works to about 1 frames because it rotates in as ORD - FRA - DEN - FRA - US.

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