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FedEx Retires Last DC-10-10 Freighter

Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:31 am

Link to source: https://www.airlinerwatch.com/2021/06/fedex-express-retires-worlds-last-md-10.html

According to airfleets.net, DC-10-10 N562FE started out life on October 2, 1978, as N126AA, later flying for Hawaiian Airlines from 2001 to 2003, when it went on to a long career with FedEx.

And DC-10-30's are still flying...
 
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Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:50 am

Hats off to the -10-10, very long service. 18 years with FedEx is impressive. The hours must be unreal.

Soon, the only chance to see DC-10 flying will be the military variants…
 
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Re: FedEx Retires Last DC-10-10 Freighter

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:09 am

Definitely an icon for FedEx and another icon of aviation slowly fading away (see AA's MD80s and 747s in general).

Only 13 MD-10-30s left. I've known that type for as long as I can remember in aviation. It was always "the big one" coming into Austin back when we weren't serviced by 787s or other regular widebody service. I always thought the -10 looked "right" without that middle set of landing gear looking redundant, though it's obviously not there for aesthetics.

MD11s will obviously continue on for a bit longer.
 
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Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:11 am

Are their any airworthy DC-10-10s still around (meaning not a MD-10)?
 
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Fri Jul 02, 2021 7:12 am

What was the world’s longest DC-10-10 flight?
 
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Fri Jul 02, 2021 7:28 am

blacksoviet wrote:
What was the world’s longest DC-10-10 flight?

Could be when Western briefly used that varient on the short-lived LGW - ANC - HNL flight back in the days.
 
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Re: FedEx Retires Last DC-10-10 Freighter

Fri Jul 02, 2021 7:34 am

It was the last flight of a MD10-10 not a DC10-10.


This was already reported several weeks ago in the following thread : viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1456521&start=1350
See reply 1394, 1397 and 1398

Aircraft data :
- Delivered as DC10-10 at 10 Feb 1978 to American Airlines (N126AA), L/N 247, MSN 46947
- Delivered to FedEx and converted to MD10-10F at 14 Mar 2003 (N562FE)
- Last recorded at 11/11/2020 : 99594 hrs / 35660cycles
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Re: FedEx Retires Last DC-10-10 Freighter

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:15 pm

How many DC-10-10 are still flying, and with whom?
 
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Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:49 pm

FlyingViking wrote:
How many DC-10-10 are still flying, and with whom?


That was the final -10-10.
 
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Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:00 pm

Thanks, kind of thought so.
 
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Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:25 pm

FedEx sure got it money's worth out of it. Another sub-type gone from the skies. Guess they will be replaced by the -30's or incoming new 767F's.
 
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Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:21 pm

CarlosSi wrote:
I always thought the -10 looked "right" without that middle set of landing gear looking redundant, though it's obviously not there for aesthetics.

Agree completely.

Obviously appreciate why the while is there, but it looks so weird compared to the lines of the -10-10. Always referred to them as "training wheels"

IINM, the -10-15 didn't have the center main gear either, no?
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Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:28 pm

Sad. We used to get them here at MKE until very recently.
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Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:33 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
CarlosSi wrote:
I always thought the -10 looked "right" without that middle set of landing gear looking redundant, though it's obviously not there for aesthetics.

Agree completely.

Obviously appreciate why the while is there, but it looks so weird compared to the lines of the -10-10. Always referred to them as "training wheels"

IINM, the -10-15 didn't have the center main gear either, no?



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Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:03 am

LAX772LR wrote:
CarlosSi wrote:
I always thought the -10 looked "right" without that middle set of landing gear looking redundant, though it's obviously not there for aesthetics.

Agree completely.

Obviously appreciate why the while is there, but it looks so weird compared to the lines of the -10-10. Always referred to them as "training wheels"

IINM, the -10-15 didn't have the center main gear either, no?

Were Aeromexico and Mexicana the only airlines to order the DC-10-15?
 
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Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:28 am

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FlyingViking wrote:
How many DC-10-10 are still flying, and with whom?


That was the final -10-10.


Yep, the -10, -15, and -40 are now extinct. It’s a good thing I’m a paleontologist, they are my domain now.
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Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:06 am

Spacepope wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
FlyingViking wrote:
How many DC-10-10 are still flying, and with whom?


That was the final -10-10.


Yep, the -10, -15, and -40 are now extinct. It’s a good thing I’m a paleontologist, they are my domain now.


Great Quip, what's the difference of the 15 vs the 10?
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Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:57 am

Spacepope wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
FlyingViking wrote:
How many DC-10-10 are still flying, and with whom?


That was the final -10-10.


Yep, the -10, -15, and -40 are now extinct. It’s a good thing I’m a paleontologist, they are my domain now.

When was the final -15 flight? What about the DC-10-40?
 
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Sat Jul 03, 2021 3:10 am

RWA380 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:

That was the final -10-10.


Yep, the -10, -15, and -40 are now extinct. It’s a good thing I’m a paleontologist, they are my domain now.


Great Quip, what's the difference of the 15 vs the 10?


Slightly higher thrust engines on the 15s (they used a derated DC10-30 engine IIRC.) They were designed for hot and high airports and were only ordered by Aeromexico and Mexicana.
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Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:15 am

TC957 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
What was the world’s longest DC-10-10 flight?

Could be when Western briefly used that varient on the short-lived LGW - ANC - HNL flight back in the days.



At almost 4000 Nautical miles that was a long way for a DC10-10
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Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:27 am

Spacepope wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
FlyingViking wrote:
How many DC-10-10 are still flying, and with whom?


That was the final -10-10.


Yep, the -10, -15, and -40 are now extinct. It’s a good thing I’m a paleontologist, they are my domain now.


I thought Omega still has at least one -40 still?
 
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Sat Jul 03, 2021 5:01 am

crownvic wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:

That was the final -10-10.


Yep, the -10, -15, and -40 are now extinct. It’s a good thing I’m a paleontologist, they are my domain now.


I thought Omega still has at least one -40 still?


Haven’t seen it pop up for a while. They were buying up the Dutch KDC-10s for replacement
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Sat Jul 03, 2021 5:31 am

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
According to airfleets.net, DC-10-10 N562FE started out life on October 2, 1978, as N126AA, later flying for Hawaiian Airlines from 2001 to 2003, when it went on to a long career with FedEx.

And DC-10-30's are still flying...

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Boy am I getting old! I remember flying on the -10 several times with United and American. If you had told me then that I wouldn't see a -10 today, I would have laughed. They were a nice ride, especially up front. Such a sexy looking airplane too.

Is it me or is aviation kind of boring now? The days of 3 and 4 engines are rapidly declining. Now days, a 737 or A320 is what you will get on flights across the nation. 5 hours on a DC-10 was so much more bearable than a 737.
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Sat Jul 03, 2021 3:03 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:

That was the final -10-10.


Yep, the -10, -15, and -40 are now extinct. It’s a good thing I’m a paleontologist, they are my domain now.

When was the final -15 flight? What about the DC-10-40?

The last DC-10-15 flight was done by Buraq Air Transport J2-KCG on 2012. It flew into Las Palmas, Peru from from Lagos, Nigeria for overhaul but was abandoned by its owner. Now it is used as a training airframe.



The DC-10-40 most probably done by Omega Air Transport N974VV and it is still operable to date.



Passenger service would be by Japan Air Lines JA8541, last flight was on 31st October 2005, from Seoul/Incheon to Tokyo Narita.

 
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Sat Jul 03, 2021 3:15 pm

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Boy am I getting old! I remember flying on the -10 several times with United and American. If you had told me then that I wouldn't see a -10 today, I would have laughed. They were a nice ride, especially up front. Such a sexy looking airplane too.


I recall a TV program that involved an interview of American flight 96, who landed his crippled DC-10 at DTW. His insight into the design of the DC-10 was fascinating: he found it to be as close to a fighter jet as a passenger plane could have been, being very much a product of the McDonnell Aircraft way of thinking. I know flight crews had somewhat mixed emotions, as with the L1011, the tail-heavy flying configuration meant that pushing full beverage carts from the back was, literally, an uphill battle. But I agree that these graceful beauties served their operators well, and even after retirement from passenger service, they outlasted the L1011's and most 747's.

Is it me or is aviation kind of boring now? The days of 3 and 4 engines are rapidly declining. Now days, a 737 or A320 is what you will get on flights across the nation. 5 hours on a DC-10 was so much more bearable than a 737.


I get what you're saying, but airliners are like passenger automobiles - they days of "styling" are gone. Instead it is efficiency, performance, and squeezing in as many seats as is humanly (some might say 'inhumanely) possible.

For me, I know any car I purchase today will be competent, efficient, full of safety equipment, and reliable. And boring as all get out - there's only so many ways to take the efficient design and make it unique. This means that without seeing the identification badge on a car, I couldn't tell you if it is European, Asian, or American, much less make and model. And it's the same with airplanes - there's only so many ways to make a two-engine airplane look unique. We at a.net know the differences in Airbus versus Boeing versus Embraers and all others, but the average public will not.

Best looking DC-10 ever, in my oh-so-humble opinion: Wester Airlines. One of the great examples of a striking yet simple design, it always just "popped" on the DC-10:

 
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Sat Jul 03, 2021 3:38 pm

Dont count the -10 out just yet, word is these aircraft have plenty of C-check time left; I wouldn't be surprised to see them back at Christmas...
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Sat Jul 03, 2021 3:44 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
F9Animal wrote:
Boy am I getting old! I remember flying on the -10 several times with United and American. If you had told me then that I wouldn't see a -10 today, I would have laughed. They were a nice ride, especially up front. Such a sexy looking airplane too.


I recall a TV program that involved an interview of American flight 96, who landed his crippled DC-10 at DTW. His insight into the design of the DC-10 was fascinating: he found it to be as close to a fighter jet as a passenger plane could have been, being very much a product of the McDonnell Aircraft way of thinking. I know flight crews had somewhat mixed emotions, as with the L1011, the tail-heavy flying configuration meant that pushing full beverage carts from the back was, literally, an uphill battle. But I agree that these graceful beauties served their operators well, and even after retirement from passenger service, they outlasted the L1011's and most 747's.

Is it me or is aviation kind of boring now? The days of 3 and 4 engines are rapidly declining. Now days, a 737 or A320 is what you will get on flights across the nation. 5 hours on a DC-10 was so much more bearable than a 737.


I get what you're saying, but airliners are like passenger automobiles - they days of "styling" are gone. Instead it is efficiency, performance, and squeezing in as many seats as is humanly (some might say 'inhumanely) possible.

For me, I know any car I purchase today will be competent, efficient, full of safety equipment, and reliable. And boring as all get out - there's only so many ways to take the efficient design and make it unique. This means that without seeing the identification badge on a car, I couldn't tell you if it is European, Asian, or American, much less make and model. And it's the same with airplanes - there's only so many ways to make a two-engine airplane look unique. We at a.net know the differences in Airbus versus Boeing versus Embraers and all others, but the average public will not.

Best looking DC-10 ever, in my oh-so-humble opinion: Wester Airlines. One of the great examples of a striking yet simple design, it always just "popped" on the DC-10:


I recall my long time past ex gfs step dad was a pilot who described the DC landing sequence as a “controlled crash, every time.” The tail heavy configuration during landing gave little room for forgiveness. He wasn’t a 10 pilot though, so his experience on that type was jumpseating only.
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Sat Jul 03, 2021 3:47 pm

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Dont count the -10 out just yet, word is these aircraft have plenty of C-check time left; I wouldn't be surprised to see them back at Christmas...


I'll take that bet. Airframes maybe have time, but these were the very last users of the CF6-6 on the planet. I doubt there's much of any green time left for peak, and they're not going to maintain a trained pilot pool for surge. Hell, they can't even wean themselves off of Western Global right now.
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Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:40 pm

Spacepope wrote:
dispatchguy wrote:
Dont count the -10 out just yet, word is these aircraft have plenty of C-check time left; I wouldn't be surprised to see them back at Christmas...


I'll take that bet. Airframes maybe have time, but these were the very last users of the CF6-6 on the planet. I doubt there's much of any green time left for peak, and they're not going to maintain a trained pilot pool for surge. Hell, they can't even wean themselves off of Western Global right now.


Its not about a surge pilot pool...lots of MD pilots in the training pipeline now according to buds there and its an undermanned community. The WGA lift seems to sticking around, but there is just a ton of freight on Fedex ramps all over.
 
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Sun Jul 04, 2021 12:24 am

Actually the -15 and the -10 are the same. The only reason there was a -15 is because the Japanese wanted a better version than we here in the west had, so Micky D gave them the -15.
 
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ikramerica wrote:
I recall my long time past ex gfs step dad was a pilot who described the DC landing sequence as a “controlled crash, every time.” The tail heavy configuration during landing gave little room for forgiveness. He wasn’t a 10 pilot though, so his experience on that type was jumpseating only.

Nothing could be further from the truth, thanks to its enormous horizontal stabiliser, the DC-10 was the most forgiving, flattering jetliner of all time. Your grandma could land it.
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Actually the -15 and the -10 are the same. The only reason there was a -15 is because the Japanese wanted a better version than we here in the west had, so Micky D gave them the -15.

Oh brother. The -15 was a -10 with the General Electric engines of a -30, and sold to Aeromexico and Mexicana to cope with the high density altitude at Mexico City. The -40 had Pratt & Whitney engines and was sold to Japan Airlines and Northwest.
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Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:26 am

Omega has several -40s that are in stored and maintained condition. They also have flown theirs this year I saw it on FR24 within the last 90days
 
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Fixinthe757 wrote:
Actually the -15 and the -10 are the same. The only reason there was a -15 is because the Japanese wanted a better version than we here in the west had, so Micky D gave them the -15.

Oh brother. The -15 was a -10 with the General Electric engines of a -30, and sold to Aeromexico and Mexicana to cope with the high density altitude at Mexico City. The -40 had Pratt & Whitney engines and was sold to Japan Airlines and Northwest.



Oh brother....i know.. i worked the -40's when Northwest had them. And Japan wanted a higher number then what we here in the US had, hence the -15
 
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Is there any chance that FedEx will donate some of these airframes to museums, airports, or aviation colleges as they did with so many of their 727s after retirement?
 
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Is there any chance that FedEx will donate some of these airframes to museums, airports, or aviation colleges as they did with so many of their 727s after retirement?

I don't think any community college or university is ready to accept a huge widebody, fitting B727 is much easier and cost effective compared with a DC-10-10.
 
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What was the world’s longest DC-10-10 flight?


Laker used the type (equipped with extra tanks) over the Atlantic regularly - New York to Manchester and London Gatwick.
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I remember spotting two Fedex MD-10-10Fs in the summer of 2010 in Hong Kong, registrations were N560FE & N68049. It was incredibly rare to see them in Hong Kong or anywhere in Asia for that matter. If I remember correctly they were ferried in from Singapore where they underwent maintenance and then departed on revenue flights back to the US (which would've been via multiple stops).

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RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
lindy field wrote:
Is there any chance that FedEx will donate some of these airframes to museums, airports, or aviation colleges as they did with so many of their 727s after retirement?

I don't think any community college or university is ready to accept a huge widebody, fitting B727 is much easier and cost effective compared with a DC-10-10.


I was told by a professor at Purdue that we were once offered one, but it was so big they would’ve had to saw parts of the wings off to fit in the ramp, and the weight would’ve cracked the pavement.
 
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cedarjet wrote:
Fixinthe757 wrote:
Actually the -15 and the -10 are the same. The only reason there was a -15 is because the Japanese wanted a better version than we here in the west had, so Micky D gave them the -15.

Oh brother. The -15 was a -10 with the General Electric engines of a -30, and sold to Aeromexico and Mexicana to cope with the high density altitude at Mexico City. The -40 had Pratt & Whitney engines and was sold to Japan Airlines and Northwest.



Oh brother....i know.. i worked the -40's when Northwest had them. And Japan wanted a higher number then what we here in the US had, hence the -15


You clearly aren't reading any other posts. JAL had NO -15's in the fleet, they had the -40. The -15 is literally at -10 but with the engines of the -30 and was sold exclusively to Aeromexico and Mexicana. What you may be confusing is that the -40 was originally going to be called the -20 but NWA and maybe JAL were not happy with that and wanted a higher number, thus the -40.
 
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CRJ200flyer wrote:
RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
lindy field wrote:
Is there any chance that FedEx will donate some of these airframes to museums, airports, or aviation colleges as they did with so many of their 727s after retirement?

I don't think any community college or university is ready to accept a huge widebody, fitting B727 is much easier and cost effective compared with a DC-10-10.


I was told by a professor at Purdue that we were once offered one, but it was so big they would’ve had to saw parts of the wings off to fit in the ramp, and the weight would’ve cracked the pavement.


Not sure I buy the concrete part, guess it would depend on where they parked it. Stanford flew their football team in on a Western DC10 in the early 80s. The team flew out also, believe it or not (6600 foot runway). Went to IND for fuel. Elway threw the ball unbelievably hard.
 
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SteelChair wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
I don't think any community college or university is ready to accept a huge widebody, fitting B727 is much easier and cost effective compared with a DC-10-10.


I was told by a professor at Purdue that we were once offered one, but it was so big they would’ve had to saw parts of the wings off to fit in the ramp, and the weight would’ve cracked the pavement.


Not sure I buy the concrete part, guess it would depend on where they parked it. Stanford flew their football team in on a Western DC10 in the early 80s. The team flew out also, believe it or not (6600 foot runway). Went to IND for fuel. Elway threw the ball unbelievably hard.


I took three college courses with our previous airport manager at Purdue. In the lesson on pavement material strength, she talked about how a 757 had arrived late one night to Purdue and parked in the wrong place. The next day there were cracks radiating in every direction from the main landing gear. The small ramp area in front of the aviation student maintenance hangar probably wasn’t built to support a DC-10 continuously. That’s my guess, but again this conversation was over 5 years ago, so who knows.
 
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What was the world’s longest DC-10-10 flight?


Laker used the type (equipped with extra tanks) over the Atlantic regularly - New York to Manchester and London Gatwick.

Did they get permission from the FAA to install the extra fuel tanks?

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