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Updated: 737 Freighter ditches in water off HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:41 pm

Just saw reports of a 737 Cargo in the water at HNL. Anyone else have any info?
 
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737 ditching off Oahu Friday AM

Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:42 pm

Details still sketchy, CNBC reports engine failure after takeoff. FR24 indicates that it's Rhoades/Transair N810TA.
 
edu2703
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:49 pm

Looks like it was Transair Flight 810.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/RDS ... /PHNL/PHOG
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:52 pm

Shame that a Jurassic is gone.
 
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Re: 737 ditching off Oahu Friday AM

Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:52 pm

 
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Re: 737 ditching off Oahu Friday AM

Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:59 pm

iflykpdx wrote:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n810ta#2842c404

Yikes, hope everyone is OK.

That's extremely precise tracking. Good job FR24.

Best wishes to the crew, hope everyone makes it out safely.
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:00 pm

It would be the middle of the night in Hawaii, hope the crew is ok
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:00 pm

Wow, looks like they tried to return to the airport but didn’t make it. Hoping they were able to safely ditch. Looks like they ditched very close to the former Naval Air Station Barbers Point. I believe that’s the Coast Guard air station for Hawaii, help is very close.
 
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Re: 737 ditching off Oahu Friday AM

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:00 pm

iflykpdx wrote:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n810ta#2842c404

Yikes, hope everyone is OK.


Indeed. I hope they were able to get the aircraft in the "Hudson River attitude" for ditching so they could have a chance to get out.
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:00 pm

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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:01 pm

CNBC says crew members have been rescued, waiting to hear more but that is great news.
https://twitter.com/cnbcnow/status/1410 ... 69441?s=21
 
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737 Down Off The Coast Of Kalaeloa

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:05 pm

A cargo 737 has reportedly crashed 2 miles off the coast of Kalaeloa:

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/07/0 ... h-2-board/
 
gobears19
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Emergency Landing in Water?

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:06 pm

Boeing cargo plane makes landing in the water?

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/02/boeing- ... -says.html
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:07 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
CNBC says crew members have been rescued, waiting to hear more but that is great news.
https://twitter.com/cnbcnow/status/1410 ... 69441?s=21


Of course CNBC was trying to imply it was possibly a MAX and connecting it to Boeing share price….
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:07 pm

edu2703 wrote:


Fantastic. Ditching in the ocean at night is a low survivability scenario. Glad they made it.
 
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Re: 737 Down Off The Coast Of Kalaeloa

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:09 pm

The 737 fleet has had some bad issues in the past couple of years. I hope the crew is found alive. What airline?
 
Blankbarcode
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:09 pm

Seems pretty close to the coast, any idea of the water depth around there? I'm so happy they're alright.
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:13 pm

ATCJesus wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
CNBC says crew members have been rescued, waiting to hear more but that is great news.
https://twitter.com/cnbcnow/status/1410 ... 69441?s=21


Of course CNBC was trying to imply it was possibly a MAX and connecting it to Boeing share price….


But there's a picture of a 737 MAX in the article - so it MUST be connected, right? :sarcastic:
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:14 pm

YYZYYT wrote:
ATCJesus wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
CNBC says crew members have been rescued, waiting to hear more but that is great news.
https://twitter.com/cnbcnow/status/1410 ... 69441?s=21


Of course CNBC was trying to imply it was possibly a MAX and connecting it to Boeing share price….


But there's a picture of a 737 MAX in the article - so it MUST be connected, right? :sarcastic:


Which they label as a 727 MAX 9.
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:15 pm

YYZYYT wrote:
ATCJesus wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
CNBC says crew members have been rescued, waiting to hear more but that is great news.
https://twitter.com/cnbcnow/status/1410 ... 69441?s=21


Of course CNBC was trying to imply it was possibly a MAX and connecting it to Boeing share price….


But there's a picture of a 737 MAX in the article - so it MUST be connected, right? :sarcastic:


And the caption mentions 727 MAX 9. So yayy to aviation journalism!! :banghead: although Leslie Josephs is pretty good!
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:19 pm

Wonderful news that the crew is okay.

AeroplaneFreak wrote:
Which they label as a 727 MAX 9.


Now this is an alternate universe I wish I lived in
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:24 pm

That frame is well ancient and ex Transmile too. Given the horrible state that the Transmile MD11s were in when FedEx took them, I doubt that the 737 would be any better. https://flic.kr/p/cPkRJy
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:26 pm

Blankbarcode wrote:
Seems pretty close to the coast, any idea of the water depth around there? I'm so happy they're alright.


Hawaiian waters can get real deep real fast.
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:26 pm

airboss787 wrote:
YYZYYT wrote:
ATCJesus wrote:

Of course CNBC was trying to imply it was possibly a MAX and connecting it to Boeing share price….


But there's a picture of a 737 MAX in the article - so it MUST be connected, right? :sarcastic:


And the caption mentions 727 MAX 9. So yayy to aviation journalism!! :banghead: although Leslie Josephs is pretty good!

They fixed it.
File photo of a Boeing B737 specifically 737-400 Cargo freight aircraft.
 
btfarrwm
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:27 pm

The utilization of that airframe (N810TA) has been crazy. 60+ cycles in the past week alone on an bird that's 46 years old.
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:27 pm

Man, with all the mistakes in that CNBC article, I'm even eager to see Simple Flying's take on the story. Jokes aside, glad that the pilots are safe. Wonder what could have caused the engine failure? Though at this point in time, details are still in their infancy.
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:27 pm

That's a fantastic outcome from what looks like a really bad scenario on the flight track - clearly something went wrong very quickly, and did so over water at night. I'm assuming they could at least see land lights (don't know the WX) and that probably helped a lot.
 
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Re: 737 Down Off The Coast Of Kalaeloa

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:30 pm

kiowa wrote:
The 737 fleet has had some bad issues in the past couple of years. I hope the crew is found alive. What airline?


It's a 737-200. Are we going to complain about DC-10-10 failures, too, and impugn McD?
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:32 pm

YYZYYT wrote:
ATCJesus wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
CNBC says crew members have been rescued, waiting to hear more but that is great news.
https://twitter.com/cnbcnow/status/1410 ... 69441?s=21


Of course CNBC was trying to imply it was possibly a MAX and connecting it to Boeing share price….


But there's a picture of a 737 MAX in the article - so it MUST be connected, right? :sarcastic:


It's one thing for some local news channel to get the wrong aircraft, but for CNBC to get it wrong is flat out stupid. They have reported countless times on Boeings issues and now to publish this is inexcusable. The interview with Denzel Washington comes to mind when he lectures the reporting about the media needing to be first instead of right.

Glad the pilots are okay.
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:33 pm

Transair flight 810. From the Flight Track log it looks as-if they encountered a dire emergency a minute after takeoff from the reef runway; a sharp drop-off in rate-of-climb.
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:34 pm

Great to hear both pilots were rescued. N810TA was the last B732 to leave Malaysia's Transmile Air before joining Transair in 2014. My friend used to fly it in and out of SZB-KUL-KCH-BKI-HKG daily for night postal run. Built like a tank, could take a lot of abuse....
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:37 pm

FlyingJhawk wrote:
YYZYYT wrote:
It's one thing for some local news channel to get the wrong aircraft, but for CNBC to get it wrong is flat out stupid.


If only there were a website that tracked pictures of just about every aircraft in civil aviation, with the ability to search by tall number...
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:38 pm

The old girl had a long and productive life. Two bad they will crane her up for an investigation instead of let her lie in peace and be a playground for the fishes.

bt
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:39 pm

btfarrwm wrote:
The utilization of that airframe (N810TA) has been crazy. 60+ cycles in the past week alone on an bird that's 46 years old.


Looking for SDRs and the last two (from 2018 and 19) are both for engine failures.

30 months ago (seriously, this should have a heavy check in there but....) she had 71,706 hours and 67194 cycles. Should be well over 70,000 cycles now.
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:52 pm

Here's a link to the ATC audio recording. First contact at ~2m in the recording. Trouble starts at ~2m55s. No transmissions from the aircraft but ATC transmissions are there. Accident aircraft is Rhodes 810.

https://archive.liveatc.net/phnl/PHNL1- ... -1130Z.mp3
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:54 pm

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
Great to hear both pilots were rescued. N810TA was the last B732 to leave Malaysia's Transmile Air before joining Transair in 2014. My friend used to fly it in and out of SZB-KUL-KCH-BKI-HKG daily for night postal run. Built like a tank, could take a lot of abuse....

But not this much.
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:55 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
Man, with all the mistakes in that CNBC article, I'm even eager to see Simple Flying's take on the story. Jokes aside, glad that the pilots are safe. Wonder what could have caused the engine failure? Though at this point in time, details are still in their infancy.

Let’s see if Airways Magazine mirrors the article word for word. Although they are supposedly an aviation news source, their accuracy seems to rival that of CNN.
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:57 pm

YYZYYT wrote:
ATCJesus wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
CNBC says crew members have been rescued, waiting to hear more but that is great news.
https://twitter.com/cnbcnow/status/1410 ... 69441?s=21


Of course CNBC was trying to imply it was possibly a MAX and connecting it to Boeing share price….


But there's a picture of a 737 MAX in the article - so it MUST be connected, right? :sarcastic:


Maybe this is a better picture in this article:) Journalism has lost its credibility.

https://insiderpaper.com/boeing-737-car ... ff-hawaii/
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:00 pm

Wow, I flew that aircraft when it was at Canadian Airlines. C-GDPW

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Re: 737 Down Off The Coast Of Kalaeloa

Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:01 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
kiowa wrote:
The 737 fleet has had some bad issues in the past couple of years. I hope the crew is found alive. What airline?


It's a 737-200. Are we going to complain about DC-10-10 failures, too, and impugn McD?

McD? Why not Boeing? It's obviously all connected due to the bean counters that came over in the merger. :D
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:01 pm

RobK wrote:
That frame is well ancient and ex Transmile too. Given the horrible state that the Transmile MD11s were in when FedEx took them, I doubt that the 737 would be any better. https://flic.kr/p/cPkRJy

Well, the truth is those 4 MD-11Fs were stored at hot and humid Malaysia for some years without proper storage mechanism in place before FedEx could buy them. They were also subject to asset encumbrance due to on-going lawsuit between the local regulators against the previous management. Staff were not paid salary for years. So they were not bothered to take care of the airframes. In the end, assets were sold off at cheap prices to cover some of the creditors' bill, leaving some delinquent B727Fs and B732Fs.
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:14 pm

Blankbarcode wrote:
Seems pretty close to the coast, any idea of the water depth around there? I'm so happy they're alright.


I'm an oceanographer - I think it's around 25 - 35 m in that area. So glad the pilots were rescued!
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:17 pm

ATCJesus wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
CNBC says crew members have been rescued, waiting to hear more but that is great news.
https://twitter.com/cnbcnow/status/1410 ... 69441?s=21


Of course CNBC was trying to imply it was possibly a MAX and connecting it to Boeing share price….


That segment was breaking news, before the aircraft type was known. At no time did the anchor mention the 737MAX, and he was totally clear that they did not know the details.

Furthermore, CNBC’s headline story about it (published and updated after the linked clip) clearly and explicitly says, repeatedly, that this was NOT a 737 MAX.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/02/boeing- ... -says.html

CNBC is a financial media outlet and anything impacting Boeing is going to be covered. BA’s share price did go down on this because algorithms are probably designed to sell instantly anytime the terms “737” and “accident” are mentioned anywhere in the press.
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:21 pm

It isn't often a water ditching is successful. The pilots have to have been very skilled and thankfully somewhat lucky. Was this a single or dual engine or other form of failure ?
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:39 pm

ltbewr wrote:
It isn't often a water ditching is successful. The pilots have to have been very skilled and thankfully somewhat lucky. Was this a single or dual engine or other form of failure ?


Actually, most ditchings are survivable. Many back in the prop era, B377 flown by PAA was a famous one, quite a few P-3s have ditched over the years with most crew surviving. Much more survivable than crash landing on the ground off airport, but results are heavily luck dependent, there’s little way to train for it beyond normal,landing with the gear UP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_landing
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:59 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
It isn't often a water ditching is successful. The pilots have to have been very skilled and thankfully somewhat lucky. Was this a single or dual engine or other form of failure ?


Actually, most ditchings are survivable. Many back in the prop era, B377 flown by PAA was a famous one, quite a few P-3s have ditched over the years with most crew surviving. Much more survivable than crash landing on the ground off airport, but results are heavily luck dependent, there’s little way to train for it beyond normal,landing with the gear UP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_landing


Doing a ditching at night is a whole different animal. Pretty incredible if you ask me!
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:06 pm

2eng2efficient wrote:
ATCJesus wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
CNBC says crew members have been rescued, waiting to hear more but that is great news.
https://twitter.com/cnbcnow/status/1410 ... 69441?s=21


Of course CNBC was trying to imply it was possibly a MAX and connecting it to Boeing share price….


That segment was breaking news, before the aircraft type was known. At no time did the anchor mention the 737MAX, and he was totally clear that they did not know the details.

Furthermore, CNBC’s headline story about it (published and updated after the linked clip) clearly and explicitly says, repeatedly, that this was NOT a 737 MAX.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/02/boeing- ... -says.html

CNBC is a financial media outlet and anything impacting Boeing is going to be covered. BA’s share price did go down on this because algorithms are probably designed to sell instantly anytime the terms “737” and “accident” are mentioned anywhere in the press.


Maybe not the CNBC anchor but the CNBC alert I received on my phone specifically said it was a 737 MAX - the same plane that was grounded for 20 months.
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:08 pm

jmc1975 wrote:
Although they are supposedly an aviation news source, their accuracy seems to rival that of CNN.


CNN is no less accurate than any of the major networks, only when their stories are unflattering to some people do claims like this get thrown out there. Nice try though.
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:09 pm

btfarrwm wrote:
Here's a link to the ATC audio recording. First contact at ~2m in the recording. Trouble starts at ~2m55s. No transmissions from the aircraft but ATC transmissions are there. Accident aircraft is Rhodes 810.

https://archive.liveatc.net/phnl/PHNL1- ... -1130Z.mp3


Listening to ATC you can hear the tension in the controller's voice slowly ratchet up as I imagine the transmissions from Rhodes 810 get more worrisome.

For what sounds like a solo-controller situation (at least on this channel - maybe other controllers are not captured), the moderate workload escalates quickly and intensely.
 
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Re: 737 Cargo in water at HNL

Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:13 pm

Spacepope wrote:
btfarrwm wrote:
The utilization of that airframe (N810TA) has been crazy. 60+ cycles in the past week alone on an bird that's 46 years old.


Looking for SDRs and the last two (from 2018 and 19) are both for engine failures.

30 months ago (seriously, this should have a heavy check in there but....) she had 71,706 hours and 67194 cycles. Should be well over 70,000 cycles now.


The B732 at that point is designed for 75,000 cycles. It would likely have been retired in a few years.
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