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Gulf Air A321 engine fire upon landing at Kuwait

Mon Jul 05, 2021 3:47 pm

Gulf Air flight GF215 from Bahrain to Kuwait, operates by an A321. One of the engines was on fire upon landing. All 7 crew members and 62 passengers were evacuated safely.
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Re: Gulf Air A320 engine fire upon landing at Kuwait

Mon Jul 05, 2021 3:59 pm

Definitely an A321, looks like it’s V2500 powered as well.
 
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Re: Gulf Air A320 engine fire upon landing at Kuwait

Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:10 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
Definitely an A321, looks like it’s V2500 powered as well.


Yes it is! My mistake :)
 
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Re: Gulf Air A321 engine fire upon landing at Kuwait

Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:12 pm

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Re: Gulf Air A321 engine fire upon landing at Kuwait

Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:47 pm

“On fire upon landing”

Does that mean the built in fire suppression system didn’t work? Or did the engine catch fire after touchdown?
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Re: Gulf Air A321 engine fire upon landing at Kuwait

Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:07 pm

PANAMsterdam wrote:
“On fire upon landing”

Does that mean the built in fire suppression system didn’t work? Or did the engine catch fire after touchdown?


Looks like it was the left engine, the slides forward and aft of the engine are not deployed.

Engine fires are detected between the area where there is supposed to be combustion and the outer nacelle, where the systems run. It is possible to have a failure inside the engine which should stop once the fire bush button is pushed.

If you have a fire indication close to landing there are different schools of thought on what do, some advocate delay the landing and sort the problem out, others advocate continue the landing and sort it out on the ground.
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Re: Gulf Air A321 engine fire upon landing at Kuwait

Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:13 pm

xwb777 wrote:
Gulf Air flight GF215 from Bahrain to Kuwait, operates by an A321. One of the engines was on fire upon landing. All 7 crew members and 62 passengers were evacuated safely.


Landing was entirely normal, aircraft vacated the runway without any distress, received taxi clearance, taxied and about 2 minutes after vacating the runway stopped and evacuated. As the crew reported their problem speaking Arabic, I can't tell what the nature of the problem was indeed, however, given how the slides were deployed a left engine fire warning appears possible.
 
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Re: Gulf Air A321 engine fire upon landing at Kuwait

Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:24 pm

AustrianSimon wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
Gulf Air flight GF215 from Bahrain to Kuwait, operates by an A321. One of the engines was on fire upon landing. All 7 crew members and 62 passengers were evacuated safely.


Landing was entirely normal, aircraft vacated the runway without any distress, received taxi clearance, taxied and about 2 minutes after vacating the runway stopped and evacuated. As the crew reported their problem speaking Arabic, I can't tell what the nature of the problem was indeed, however, given how the slides were deployed a left engine fire warning appears possible.


It seems a very tragic lesson learned was forgotten, don't assume you don't have a fire if you have the warning for a fire. Land and stop, don't go for a joyride around the airport. Messed up ops at an airport is always the better choice than risking lives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudia_Flight_163

I remember seeing that burnt airframe as a kid.
 
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Re: Gulf Air A321 engine fire upon landing at Kuwait

Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:48 pm

basspaul wrote:
It seems a very tragic lesson learned was forgotten, don't assume you don't have a fire if you have the warning for a fire. Land and stop, don't go for a joyride around the airport. Messed up ops at an airport is always the better choice than risking lives.


Just to avoid any misunderstanding: there was no problem until 2 minutes after vacating the runway, then the indication started, they stopped, informed ATC and emergency services and evacuated.
 
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Re: Gulf Air A321 engine fire upon landing at Kuwait

Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:45 pm

I think the emergency has started on approach to the airport. Emirates B777 has been instructed to enter a holding pattern to give way to the GF A321.
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Re: Gulf Air A321 engine fire upon landing at Kuwait

Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:07 am

xwb777 wrote:
I think the emergency has started on approach to the airport. Emirates B777 has been instructed to enter a holding pattern to give way to the GF A321.


Maybe, they will also routinely delay other airlines airlines landing and departing. Gulf Air always gets priority there in my experience.

I remember calling for a push there and I had to wait for the Gulf Air next to me to push first, and they still had cargo doors open. Often got holds on downwind to make room for Gulf Air.

What you also don’t see in that FR24 is the US military run a lot of helicopters and ospreys to the northern part of the runway.
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Re: Gulf Air A321 engine fire upon landing at Kuwait

Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:44 am

Is it me, or does it look like the R2 door would hurt to evacuate through with that slope?
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Re: Gulf Air A321 engine fire upon landing at Kuwait

Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:21 am

n797mx wrote:
Is it me, or does it look like the R2 door would hurt to evacuate through with that slope?


There is always a risk with any evacuation that limbs will be broken, a decision to evacuate is not one that is taken lightly.
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Re: Gulf Air A321 engine fire upon landing at Kuwait

Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:18 am

xwb777 wrote:
I think the emergency has started on approach to the airport. Emirates B777 has been instructed to enter a holding pattern to give way to the GF A321.
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Actually the radar system at KWI was out yesterday for almost an hour, and airplanes were instructed to either divert or go around until the issue was fixed. Talk about a coincidence!!

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Re: Gulf Air A321 engine fire upon landing at Kuwait

Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:15 am

Was the evacuation really necessary in the end ? Not saying it was a bad call but there doesn't seem to be a major fire either.
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Re: Gulf Air A321 engine fire upon landing at Kuwait

Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:28 am

Aesma wrote:
Was the evacuation really necessary in the end ? Not saying it was a bad call but there doesn't seem to be a major fire either.


That's something easy to say in hindsight after the fact.
 
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Re: Gulf Air A321 engine fire upon landing at Kuwait

Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:25 am

zeke wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
I think the emergency has started on approach to the airport. Emirates B777 has been instructed to enter a holding pattern to give way to the GF A321.


Maybe, they will also routinely delay other airlines airlines landing and departing. Gulf Air always gets priority there in my experience.

I remember calling for a push there and I had to wait for the Gulf Air next to me to push first, and they still had cargo doors open. Often got holds on downwind to make room for Gulf Air.

What you also don’t see in that FR24 is the US military run a lot of helicopters and ospreys to the northern part of the runway.


Not true regarding Gulf Air. I flew for them for a number of years. Great outfit but we never got priority other than at times at Bahrain airport itself. But that’s understandable as it was our home base.
 
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Re: Gulf Air A321 engine fire upon landing at Kuwait

Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:29 am

Avgeek21 wrote:
Not true regarding Gulf Air. I flew for them for a number of years. Great outfit but we never got priority other than at times at Bahrain airport itself. But that’s understandable as it was our home base.


That is my personal experience, I have had to hold and delayed from pushing for that very reason.

All I can think of is when you were there they were out of flavour, it’s not like states over there to have petty grudges against each other and then kiss and make up.
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