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Armadillo1 wrote:wheather:
at time of crash:
300meters part clouds, 700m full
hills was in clouds/fog
now:200m clouds
AntonioMartin wrote:
scbriml wrote:AntonioMartin wrote:
Sadly, that’s not in the least bit surprising given the crash site image in the AVHerald link above.
DocLightning wrote:
The discussion on AvHerald goes into some of the possible reasons. Seemingly knowledgeable people saying the impact site was way off any approach path.
zeke wrote:Armadillo1 wrote:wheather:
at time of crash:
300meters part clouds, 700m full
hills was in clouds/fog
now:200m clouds
Totally unsuitable for a NDB approach.
32andBelow wrote:zeke wrote:Armadillo1 wrote:wheather:
at time of crash:
300meters part clouds, 700m full
hills was in clouds/fog
now:200m clouds
Totally unsuitable for a NDB approach.
Maybe unlikely to land but no matter the weather the approach shouldn’t put you into a mountain. So something clearly happened here. Maybe he got it in sight for a second and then lost it.
LTEN11 wrote:32andBelow wrote:zeke wrote:
Totally unsuitable for a NDB approach.
Maybe unlikely to land but no matter the weather the approach shouldn’t put you into a mountain. So something clearly happened here. Maybe he got it in sight for a second and then lost it.
It's not a mountain, it's a coastal cliff. Most of the wreckage was located at the base of the cliff and in the sea.
32andBelow wrote:However you want to describe it the altitudes on the approach would keep you over terrain
zeke wrote:32andBelow wrote:However you want to describe it the altitudes on the approach would keep you over terrain
Not on the extended centreline, the NDB approach is a circling approach with the circling commencing over water, and the RNP for 11 is also offset by 20 degrees.
32andBelow wrote:But your have to break out and get the airport in site to continue from the MAP
zeke wrote:32andBelow wrote:But your have to break out and get the airport in site to continue from the MAP
The missed approach point for the NDB-A is the NDB which is located just north of the airport past the RW11 threshold, the MAPT for the RNP11 is a waypoint just north of the RW11 threshold.
32andBelow wrote:Idk what you are trying to say but the approach isn’t going to have you descend into terrain before you get the airport environment in sight
schernov wrote:According report in gazeta.ru the crew ignored tower instructions to use a different approach which had more favorable weather conditions twice. And chose the approach which had fog and low clouds.
ZKCIF wrote:I have read the four articles on the disaster by gazeta.ru (which seems to me to be a sensationalist propaganda media outlet), and the most relevant phrases were in the article of July 6; I quote from https://www.gazeta.ru/social/2021/07/06/13705148.shtml:
По предварительным данным, пилот попытался посадить лайнер с помощью личного, не установленного производителем судна навигатора, а также перед посадкой сократить траекторию через сопку «Пятибратка», однако во время маневра самолет влетел в скалу. Ситуацию осложнили метеоусловия: в момент посадки в регионе наблюдался туман, горы были закрыты плотными облаками, пишет Telegram-канал «112».
[the translation is mine, Russian is my second language]: [...] the pilot was trying to land the plane with his own/personal, not approved by the manufacturer, navigator. Also, before the landing, he was trying to shorten the trajectory [thus going above] Hill Pyatibratka; however, during the maneuver, the plane flew into the hill. The situation was made complicated by the weather as, at the time of landing, the area was covered by fog, and the hills were covered with dense clouds, as written by telegram channel 112.
В авиакомпании, в свою очередь, заявили РИА «Новости», что возможной причиной крушения воздушного судна мог стать сильный боковой ветер. По словам замдиректора компании «Камчатское авиационное предприятие» Сергея Горба, самолет практически врезался в береговую скалу, которая не была расположена на траектории его посадки. Он отметил, что часть носа самолета находится в море, а оставшиеся обломки — в прибрежной полосе у подножья.
At the airline, according to RIA News, it has been stated that a possible cause of the crash is heavy lateral wind. In the words of the deputy of the CEO of the airline Mr. Sergey Gonchar, the aircraft essentially slammed into a coastal rock which was not on the trajectory of its landing [path] [...]
I would not take some things here too seriously. only vague statements
ZKCIF wrote:There were 5 crew in the cockpit, including Mr. I. Neverov (quite a grim surname under the circumstances meaning 'not trusting', 'not believing' [in God, or otherwise]) who is referred to as "бортоператор" which could be translated as "the operator on board". On the forum of avia.ru, someone referred to him as a navigator, but that is just a claim in a chat. At least three different Russian sources write that they were using their own navigation system