So let me start this because you clearly have never worked in commercial or flight technical operations for an airline in Canada (heads, up, I have - and for the majors).
Correct. I pay to fly. Flown both AC and WS. And FR (not Flair) for that matter. Passengers flying on basic economy care about value for money. Which is a function of price, seat comfort/legroom, baggage and maybe onboard service.
Didn’t realize pax experience doesn’t count.
1. You compared ACr (which nobody in Canada refers to is as that) to an airline flying domestic blocks averaging well over 3+ hours. How can you compare a DH4 service to a 73M service? You said Flair pax are happy with what they pay for. Check the BBB and again this link: https://www.tripadvisor.ca/Airline_Revi
Poor choice of shorthand then - referring to rouge. They cater to Flair target audience, and therefore are a useful comparator. https://www.tripadvisor.ca/Airline_Revi ... nada-Rouge
Flair provides the same value for money as them (and AC mainline for that matter). That suggests that they’re competitive.
2. Look at the current legal cases against the airline that are available online. Burning money for all you care? Might me an issue when a family of 4 is stranded in MCO this winter when the one owning only 25% of controlling shares yet owns the leasing company that has all the planes pulls the plug.
Or not. The government might step in to help those stranded pax out, like the UK government did when Thomas Cook went under.
Of course, that assumes that they will fall apart. PDs been described as is a flying cash furnace for most of the past decade. Best cross that bridge when we get there - not least because ULCC models have a decent track record.
3. A PTV, couple glasses of coke and a bag of pretzels is exactly what is differentiating Flair from the others right now. That is exactly what onboard service is! Again, have you read the reviews? A PTV is even differentiating AC vs WS.
Lol - think there might be a pax/employee disconnect on perspective here. From a pax perspective, those aren’t differentiators - they merely reflect how marginal the differences are. Flair is targeting a specific type of market (basic economy). Do you really think they’ll pay $10-$20 more for those “differentiators”?
4. Every news article you posted was for international travel, which alone provides for it's own operational issues - none of which Flair currently flies. And need I bring up the the Flair debacle during their first attempt into the U.S.?
So absolutely none of what you said holds any merit. With all respect, understand the Canadian aviation landscape before posting this dribble.
I am taking the weekend off. Jimbo (my old boss decades ago) can fill in with a more higher level understanding.
Yes, post every Flair train wreck. Pax lurking here should know what they’re signing up for. Just as they should with the others.
As to merits of views or not - the aviation market isn’t just about airlines - passengers matter too (or maybe not). Perspectives tend to differ between those who get paid to fly, and those who pay to fly. Some of us have lived/travelled domestically in other countries. Always a good idea to get a sense of what you pay for what you get. Makes for more holistic comparison. Like when one compares QF domestic Y to AC/WS domestic Y to get a better sense of where airlines fall on the entire full service-to-ULCC spectrum.
For the record, don’t know (or care) if F8 will survive. Just dont see any merit in the doom-mongering either. Not least while a predatory pricing investigation is either going on, or is in the offing.