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DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:01 pm

https://public.uk.com/2021/07/08/77-12- ... ed-crashed

Registration- HK-2820

Age- 77 years old

Such a shame that such a classic beauty had her life ended and even more heart wrenching is the fate of the 3 people on board and how their families must feel. The same aircraft was involved in an overrun incident in 2020, according to another article below.

https://www.payonwhatsapp.com/77-year-o ... d-crashed/
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Columbia today

Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:26 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
https://public.uk.com/2021/07/08/77-12-months-previous-aliansa-dc-3-lacking-presumed-crashed/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=77-12-months-previous-aliansa-dc-3-lacking-presumed-crashed

Registration- HK-2820

Age- 77 years old

Such a shame that such a classic beauty had her life ended and even more heart wrenching is the fate of the 3 people on board and how their families must feel. The same aircraft was involved in an overrun incident in 2020, according to another article below.

https://www.payonwhatsapp.com/77-year-o ... d-crashed/


That's definitely unfortunate for the families involved.

Side request: can the topic be edited to reflect the correct spelling of Colombia, to prevent possible misunderstandings that the DC-3 crashed in a US town named Columbia?
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Columbia today

Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:48 pm

Will Boeing or the NTSB send one of their investigators?
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Columbia today

Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:04 pm

Western727 wrote:
Side request: can the topic be edited to reflect the correct spelling of Colombia, to prevent possible misunderstandings that the DC-3 crashed in a US town named Columbia?


Agreed, people need to learn the difference between Colombia and Columbia. They're two entirely different places.

On topic: Sad to see such a beautiful classic come to an end that way, and of course much strength to the families and friends of the people that were on board.
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Columbia today

Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:05 pm

Oh no, so sad to hear about this. There are such a precious few heavy pistons left in airline service. The tough thing is for that the reason these airplanes are still in service is because they can haul large, heavy cargo from short, unprepared strips. That means lots of max gross weights takeoffs from very short runways and with heavy, slow climbs at high power settings. The remaining DC-3s, C-46s, and DC-6s in service work harder than they did back in the 1950s when airplanes did milk runs with passengers at far below max gross weight.

Love to see these old birds flying, but I understand that the operating environment is tough. Looks like Aliansa has two other piston DC-3s - and I hope they keep flying.
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Columbia today

Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:46 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
Agreed, people need to learn the difference between Colombia and Columbia. They're two entirely different places.


Fully agreed. I wonder why some people keep writing Colombia as Columbia, and Sao Paulo as Sao Paolo. it's very annoying.

Anyway, back to topic.

Sad to see such a classic bird crashing, a few days after another classic (Transair B737-200) crashed aswell.
RIP to those involved.
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Columbia today

Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:19 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
Will Boeing or the NTSB send one of their investigators?


Boeing may or may not send an investigator.

The NTSB cannot sent an investigator unless they are asked or invited by the Colombian government.
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia today

Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:16 pm

I just watched this video on Colombian DC-3s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7fOct6_jJs
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:22 pm

Appears they are using drones to search for the plane and crew. Someone on Avherald is saying "There are pictures that was taken by a private drone. The DC3 is laying upside down in the wood. Fuselage and wings are not broken apart but cockpit section is not clear visible."

I can't find such pictures or footage except for this tweet with what appears to be drone footage clip showing the search area.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1413172565271629824
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:24 pm

That's a real shame for all involved. And I too hate to see such a glorious aircraft wrecked.
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Fri Jul 09, 2021 5:00 pm

Reported image of the plane that is circulating. Found in a twitter thread. Translated

This photo is circulating and we need to know who took it to indicate coordinates because the rescuers or the air force know where the plane is • help us find who took this photo
https://twitter.com/i/status/1413269416171741187
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Columbia today

Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:22 pm

leleko747 wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:
Agreed, people need to learn the difference between Colombia and Columbia. They're two entirely different places.


Fully agreed. I wonder why some people keep writing Colombia as Columbia, and Sao Paulo as Sao Paolo. it's very annoying.

Anyway, back to topic.

Sad to see such a classic bird crashing, a few days after another classic (Transair B737-200) crashed aswell.
RIP to those involved.


Or (pronounce more than spelled) "Porto Rico" instead of Puerto Rico.

A tragedy for all of those involved and their families, and (on a much, much, much smaller scale) a tragedy for Av-Geeks as a venerable classic is lost.

Was it being used for cargo? The airline mainly lifts cargo but I believe on occasion they do tourist rides as well (could be mistaken on that)
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:29 pm

TWA302 wrote:
Reported image of the plane that is circulating. Found in a twitter thread. Translated

This photo is circulating and we need to know who took it to indicate coordinates because the rescuers or the air force know where the plane is • help us find who took this photo
https://twitter.com/i/status/1413269416171741187
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Seems odd to me, firstly how it landed upside down and stayed in one piece. Secondly there is no trail of damaged trees behind it.
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:47 pm

bennett123 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
Reported image of the plane that is circulating. Found in a twitter thread. Translated

This photo is circulating and we need to know who took it to indicate coordinates because the rescuers or the air force know where the plane is • help us find who took this photo
https://twitter.com/i/status/1413269416171741187
Image


Seems odd to me, firstly how it landed upside down and stayed in one piece. Secondly there is no trail of damaged trees behind it.


Again, not sure of the origin of the photo. I know before their 2019 incident with this plane it did have the black and white stripes which wrap around the wings. I don't see those on this photo. Not saying they had them after the repairs, but it just stood out to me.
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:48 pm

Does Boeing have any investigators left who came from McDonnell Douglas?
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:40 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
Does Boeing have any investigators left who came from McDonnell Douglas?

Realistically, how many companies have employees that have been there for more than 24 years? Especially in big companies like that...
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:55 pm

What would be the long term solution to replace the DC-3's in service in this part of the world ? Would a fleet of Cessna Caravans or used CASA 212's be the ideal choice ?
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:08 pm

bennett123 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
Reported image of the plane that is circulating. Found in a twitter thread. Translated

This photo is circulating and we need to know who took it to indicate coordinates because the rescuers or the air force know where the plane is • help us find who took this photo
https://twitter.com/i/status/1413269416171741187
Image


Seems odd to me, firstly how it landed upside down and stayed in one piece. Secondly there is no trail of damaged trees behind it.


I noticed that too, like it dropped vertically on its back. An odd way to go down.
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:25 pm

They have found it. Sadly, there are no survivors.
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https://www.rcnradio.com/colombia/llanos/encuentran-restos-de-avion-accidentado-en-el-meta-sin-sobrevivientes?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

If you don't have translate on,

The relief agencies reported that the DC-3 aircraft with registration HK 2820 of the Aliansa company was located, which had disappeared in the hours of Thursday morning in the department of Meta.

The Civil Defense and personnel of the Civil Aeronautics search and rescue group, with the collaboration of the community of the region, found the wrecked aircraft in the mountainous area in the Guatiquía canyon, Meta.

Colonel Jorge Díaz from the Meta Department of Civil Defense reported that the three crew members, identified as Juan Carlos Cortés, who is the pilot; Jhon Acero, co-pilot and technician Carlos Eduardo Olaya, unfortunately did not survive the plane crash , and apparently, according to versions of the inhabitants of the area, the three people were burned.

"The Air Combat Group Number Two of the Colombian Air Force, in conjunction with the Civil Defense, are coordinating through the Departmental Risk Council the request for the support of a UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter, in order to transfer the bodies from the impact zone to the city of Villavicencio to carry out the removal of the bodies and deliver them to their families to carry out their Christian burial, "said the Colonel.


The Civil Aeronautics had reported that on July 8 around 7:05 in the morning, they had lost contact with the radar and communications with the Douglas DC-3 aircraft, registration HK2830, of the Aliansa company, which had taken off minutes before the Vanguardia airport in the city of Villavicencio.

In addition, this plane was in repair and that the flight that was being carried out was being carried out in test mode.
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia today

Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:57 pm

outbackair wrote:
I just watched this video on Colombian DC-3s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7fOct6_jJs


Yeah, I saw that one. They had some mud strip in the jungle with people, animals, children, drug traffickers, prostitutes and the army running around and fighting whilst ancient planes took off and landed continuously. It didn't look the slightest bit safe.
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia today

Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:43 pm

peterinlisbon wrote:
outbackair wrote:
I just watched this video on Colombian DC-3s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7fOct6_jJs


Yeah, I saw that one. They had some mud strip in the jungle with people, animals, children, drug traffickers, prostitutes and the army running around and fighting whilst ancient planes took off and landed continuously. It didn't look the slightest bit safe.


I watched that video recently, and was lucky enough to fly with Aliansa a few years ago. Despite what some may think of aviation in Columbia they ran a very good and safe operation.
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia today

Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:28 pm

opticalilyushin wrote:
peterinlisbon wrote:
outbackair wrote:
I just watched this video on Colombian DC-3s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7fOct6_jJs


Yeah, I saw that one. They had some mud strip in the jungle with people, animals, children, drug traffickers, prostitutes and the army running around and fighting whilst ancient planes took off and landed continuously. It didn't look the slightest bit safe.


I watched that video recently, and was lucky enough to fly with Aliansa a few years ago. Despite what some may think of aviation in Columbia they ran a very good and safe operation.


I would definitely have loved to fly with them. The only place I've seen a DC3 is in a museum. I actually spent a lot of time in Colombia myself and travelled quite a bit around the country, but I didn't know these kinds of operations still existed.

In the documentary I think I remember seeing a plane that had some kind of engine problem. They fixed it, took off and the engine shut down again in flight. With the mountainous terrain and jungle, I really wouldn't want to have an engine problem in that area.
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:36 am

blacksoviet wrote:
Does Boeing have any investigators left who came from McDonnell Douglas?


There are still some people at Boeing that worked on McDonnell Douglas jets, but there certainly isn’t anyone who ever worked on the design of the DC-3. Investigations involve far more people than the team that actually go visit accident sites.
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:06 am

I just watched that Colombia video, I laughed when I saw the guy just pouring avgas into the wing from 5 gal. buckets without so much as a funnel.
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia today

Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:38 am

peterinlisbon wrote:
outbackair wrote:
I just watched this video on Colombian DC-3s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7fOct6_jJs


Yeah, I saw that one. They had some mud strip in the jungle with people, animals, children, drug traffickers, prostitutes and the army running around and fighting whilst ancient planes took off and landed continuously. It didn't look the slightest bit safe.


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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:55 am

WayexTDI wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Does Boeing have any investigators left who came from McDonnell Douglas?

Realistically, how many companies have employees that have been there for more than 24 years? Especially in big companies like that...


Umm, My father worked at McDonnell Douglas, and later Boeing, for 38 years. My aunt was there for 36 years. All in Long Beach, California. Used to be lots of room for advancement. Non-union as well. Perhaps younger people nowadays don't understand how that could be a thing.
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Columbia today

Sun Jul 11, 2021 3:17 am

While on the subject of pronunciation, I REALLY wish people wouldn't say "Los" Vegas instead of "Las" Vegas.

Agreed a tragedy for the families, and so sad to see a magnificent aircraft like this down.
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:02 am

alberchico wrote:
What would be the long term solution to replace the DC-3's in service in this part of the world ? Would a fleet of Cessna Caravans or used CASA 212's be the ideal choice ?


Basler BT-67

https://www.baslerturbo.com/overview.html
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Columbia today

Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:06 am

leleko747 wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:
Agreed, people need to learn the difference between Colombia and Columbia. They're two entirely different places.


Fully agreed. I wonder why some people keep writing Colombia as Columbia, and Sao Paulo as Sao Paolo. it's very annoying.

Anyway, back to topic.

Sad to see such a classic bird crashing, a few days after another classic (Transair B737-200) crashed aswell.
RIP to those involved.


Probably as most of my fellow US english speakers tend to base everything on the English (American) pronunciations. Particularly if they have not traveled internationally. You should hear them pronounce Belo Horizonte, where a mutual friend is from. lol
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:16 am

As of today, there are 5 DC-3s flying in Colombia.
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:26 am

2175301 wrote:
alberchico wrote:
What would be the long term solution to replace the DC-3's in service in this part of the world ? Would a fleet of Cessna Caravans or used CASA 212's be the ideal choice ?


Basler BT-67

https://www.baslerturbo.com/overview.html


So replacing it with a re-skinned & repaired to like new & re engined DC-3. Hmm don't see that as a replacement aircraft type for a DC-3, just a upgraded model.
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:37 am

rbavfan wrote:
2175301 wrote:
alberchico wrote:
What would be the long term solution to replace the DC-3's in service in this part of the world ? Would a fleet of Cessna Caravans or used CASA 212's be the ideal choice ?


Basler BT-67

https://www.baslerturbo.com/overview.html


So replacing it with a re-skinned & repaired to like new & re engined DC-3. Hmm don't see that as a replacement aircraft type for a DC-3, just a upgraded model.


Yes! If a smaller (half size) or larger aircraft was needed to meet demand they would not be flying the DC-3's.

So a Zero-Hour upgraded version with a bit more capacity, more fuel efficient, and a glass cockpit with modern avionics is just the thing.

Of course there is not a huge demand in this market segment... but Basler has been building 2-3 BT-76's for a long time and have a backlog. I think in recent years about half of them are for cargo service as some of the Canadian/Alaskan cargo operators are starting to replace their DC-3's. Av-gas is getting hard to get in many places.
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:51 am

blacksoviet wrote:
Does Boeing have any investigators left who came from McDonnell Douglas?

I highly doubt Boeing would be a party to an investigation involving a seventy plus year old aircraft.

In general aircraft manufacturers, component manufacturers, pilot groups/unions, etc are asking the NTSB to participate, not the other way around (and I’m well aware the NTSB is not relevant here unless Columbia asks for assistance).


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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 8:01 am

They are flying the DC3 because it's old and cheap to purchase.
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 8:10 am

DashTrash wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Does Boeing have any investigators left who came from McDonnell Douglas?

I highly doubt Boeing would be a party to an investigation involving a seventy plus year old aircraft.

In general aircraft manufacturers, component manufacturers, pilot groups/unions, etc are asking the NTSB to participate, not the other way around (and I’m well aware the NTSB is not relevant here unless Columbia asks for assistance).


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But Colombia may ask Boeing for assistance since they have the original DC-3 blueprints in Long Beach.
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia today

Sun Jul 11, 2021 9:00 am

peterinlisbon wrote:
opticalilyushin wrote:
peterinlisbon wrote:

Yeah, I saw that one. They had some mud strip in the jungle with people, animals, children, drug traffickers, prostitutes and the army running around and fighting whilst ancient planes took off and landed continuously. It didn't look the slightest bit safe.


I watched that video recently, and was lucky enough to fly with Aliansa a few years ago. Despite what some may think of aviation in Columbia they ran a very good and safe operation.


I would definitely have loved to fly with them. The only place I've seen a DC3 is in a museum. I actually spent a lot of time in Colombia myself and travelled quite a bit around the country, but I didn't know these kinds of operations still existed.

In the documentary I think I remember seeing a plane that had some kind of engine problem. They fixed it, took off and the engine shut down again in flight. With the mountainous terrain and jungle, I really wouldn't want to have an engine problem in that area.

you need to go to Williams Airport in Mesa, Arizona...not only did I see a DC-3 there, I got on it too!
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 9:01 am

Sad few days for aviation...RIP
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia today

Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:21 pm

peterinlisbon wrote:
outbackair wrote:
I just watched this video on Colombian DC-3s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7fOct6_jJs


Yeah, I saw that one. They had some mud strip in the jungle with people, animals, children, drug traffickers, prostitutes and the army running around and fighting whilst ancient planes took off and landed continuously. It didn't look the slightest bit safe.


Sounds like Mogadishu, or Fort Lauderdale.
 
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Re: DC-3 crashed in Colombia July 8, 2021

Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:58 pm

So sad to hear they didn't make it out alive. Here is a website dedicated to Aliansa fleet, including HK-2820 at her happier time. http://www.oldjets.net/aliansa.html

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