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Spetsnaz55
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Passenger opens door in Russia on a 747 deploying slide

Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:28 pm

https://www.ruptly.tv/en/videos/2021071 ... eremetyevo

In the video, a lady can be heard saying, "my child is suffocating, let us off this plane right now"

I wonder just how hot it got inside the airplane
 
BAorAB
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Re: Passenger opens door in Russia on a 747 deploying slide

Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:30 am

Doors were in automatic mode so slide deployed. FA's should have quickly switched to manual mode knowing this was going to happen.
 
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Re: Passenger opens door in Russia on a 747 deploying slide

Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:36 am

BAorAB wrote:
Doors were in automatic mode so slide deployed. FA's should have quickly switched to manual mode knowing this was going to happen.


It’s a long way to the ground. Deploying a slide isn’t great but opening a door and falling out seems way worse to me.
 
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Re: Passenger opens door in Russia on a 747 deploying slide

Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:15 am

BAorAB wrote:
Doors were in automatic mode so slide deployed. FA's should have quickly switched to manual mode knowing this was going to happen.


Uhhh what? How would the FAs have known this was going to happen????
 
tu204
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Re: Passenger opens door in Russia on a 747 deploying slide

Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:19 am

Why the hell didn't they have the APU on? It's pretty hot in Moscow so I can understand how people would have been pissed off.
 
TUGMASTER
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Re: Passenger opens door in Russia on a 747 deploying slide

Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:38 am

Looking at the video, I suspect the APU was inop, as there are two air starts underneath the deployed slide.
At this stage, it’s unknown from the info available , how long the pax were sitting in a cooking 747 without any air.
One way to get aircon back in the aircraft, would be to run the airstarts thru the aircon packs…( pretty sure it’s not approved, but works) prior to firing up the engines with the start carts.
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Re: Passenger opens door in Russia on a 747 deploying slide

Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:03 am

TUGMASTER wrote:
Looking at the video, I suspect the APU was inop, as there are two air starts underneath the deployed slide.
At this stage, it’s unknown from the info available , how long the pax were sitting in a cooking 747 without any air.
One way to get aircon back in the aircraft, would be to run the airstarts thru the aircon packs…( pretty sure it’s not approved, but works) prior to firing up the engines with the start carts.


One of them at least looks like an air conditioning cart not an air start cart. Conditioned air usually has the big yellow hose (roughly 1.5ft wide). Air start cart hoses are much smaller diameter roughly 5 to 6 inches wide.

But as you say, yes an air start can provide pneumatic air so the packs can run.

Maybe the aircraft was parked on the ground too long and wasn't sufficiently cooled prior to boarding.
 
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Re: Passenger opens door in Russia on a 747 deploying slide

Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:07 am

Anyone who has worked any length of time on the B747 will tell you how notoriously bad the cabin became in hot airport conditions. Even when plugged in to ground AC systems you can be guaranteed that the area between doors 3 and doors 5 would become hotter than the sun.
 
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Re: Passenger opens door in Russia on a 747 deploying slide

Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:42 am

Doors should have been on manual while at the gate, no?
 
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Re: Passenger opens door in Russia on a 747 deploying slide

Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:12 am

ba9216c wrote:

One of them at least looks like an air conditioning cart not an air start cart. Conditioned air usually has the big yellow hose (roughly 1.5ft wide). Air start cart hoses are much smaller diameter roughly 5 to 6 inches wide.

But as you say, yes an air start can provide pneumatic air so the packs can run.

Maybe the aircraft was parked on the ground too long and wasn't sufficiently cooled prior to boarding.


LP air cart would typically be on the LHS forward of the wing or from the bridge, HP air typically behind the wing on the other side as the HP connection is further aft and engines 1&2 normally started first.

The looks like just a single LP air connection from that unit, it would be pretty ineffective on a 747 if the cargo doors are open.
 
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Re: Passenger opens door in Russia on a 747 deploying slide

Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:10 pm

oldannyboy wrote:
Doors should have been on manual while at the gate, no?

I assume only if the jetway was attached. Suppose the doors are disarmed and an incident happens that requires an immediate evacuation. Pop open the doors and everyone falls off the plane? Not sure if the jetway was attached at the time the door was opened.
 
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Re: Passenger opens door in Russia on a 747 deploying slide

Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:13 pm

ba9216c wrote:
TUGMASTER wrote:
Looking at the video, I suspect the APU was inop, as there are two air starts underneath the deployed slide.
At this stage, it’s unknown from the info available , how long the pax were sitting in a cooking 747 without any air.
One way to get aircon back in the aircraft, would be to run the airstarts thru the aircon packs…( pretty sure it’s not approved, but works) prior to firing up the engines with the start carts.


One of them at least looks like an air conditioning cart not an air start cart. Conditioned air usually has the big yellow hose (roughly 1.5ft wide). Air start cart hoses are much smaller diameter roughly 5 to 6 inches wide.

But as you say, yes an air start can provide pneumatic air so the packs can run.

Maybe the aircraft was parked on the ground too long and wasn't sufficiently cooled prior to boarding.



Of the 100’s of LP aircon units I’ve attached to 747’s, I’ve never yet found one that’ll do a decent job.
As someone upthread said, between doors 2-5, it will likely be hotter than the sun without the AC running.
 
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Re: Passenger opens door in Russia on a 747 deploying slide

Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:11 pm

ba9216c wrote:
TUGMASTER wrote:
Looking at the video, I suspect the APU was inop, as there are two air starts underneath the deployed slide.
At this stage, it’s unknown from the info available , how long the pax were sitting in a cooking 747 without any air.
One way to get aircon back in the aircraft, would be to run the airstarts thru the aircon packs…( pretty sure it’s not approved, but works) prior to firing up the engines with the start carts.


One of them at least looks like an air conditioning cart not an air start cart. Conditioned air usually has the big yellow hose (roughly 1.5ft wide). Air start cart hoses are much smaller diameter roughly 5 to 6 inches wide.

But as you say, yes an air start can provide pneumatic air so the packs can run.

Maybe the aircraft was parked on the ground too long and wasn't sufficiently cooled prior to boarding.


https://www.frequentflyers.ru/2021/07/12/fv5625/ explained in Russia. Just read this..you are pretty much right on.

Plane was sitting the whole day on the ground, god hot, the first Air Start car malfunctioned and they called in a second one. But as they were hooking it up, dude opened the door.

Says pax were onboard for 20 minutes.

Still, why not cool the plane before boarding pax?
 
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Re: Passenger opens door in Russia on a 747 deploying slide

Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:50 pm

tu204 wrote:
Still, why not cool the plane before boarding pax?


Because if they needed an air start the APU likely wasn't working. As others have mentioned, ground air doesn't seem to work well to cool the 747 on a warm day.
 
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Re: Passenger opens door in Russia on a 747 deploying slide

Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:19 pm

777luver wrote:
Uhhh what? How would the FAs have known this was going to happen????


Because in this part of the world this is daily routine...

viewtopic.php?t=1451273
 
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Re: Passenger opens door in Russia on a 747 deploying slide

Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:25 pm

debonair wrote:
777luver wrote:
Uhhh what? How would the FAs have known this was going to happen????


Because in this part of the world this is daily routine...

viewtopic.php?t=1451273


Yeah that looks daily alright

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