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American suspends Sydney

Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:43 pm

American is suspending Sydney from the end of August to a least the end of October..

American Airlines will drop its long-standing flights between Los Angeles and Sydney from the end of August until at least the end of October.

The move effectively sees the Qantas partner airline pull out of Australian skies, given that LAX-Sydney was American's only route 'down under'.


https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... 62P6rl54YM
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:47 pm

How long-standing was this route?
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:52 pm

Makes sense Australia keeps their borders closed.
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:56 pm

910A wrote:
American is suspending Sydney from the end of August to a least the end of October..

American Airlines will drop its long-standing flights between Los Angeles and Sydney from the end of August until at least the end of October.

The move effectively sees the Qantas partner airline pull out of Australian skies, given that LAX-Sydney was American's only route 'down under'.


https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... 62P6rl54YM


But AKL is still being flown AA, I'd imagine? A route like LAX-SYD has too many carriers already. QF is the only carrier that needs to fly that route for AA. AA has had their code on QF flight, a very long time. Isn't the AA/QF tie-up revenue shared & metal neutral?
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:59 pm

RWA380 wrote:
910A wrote:
American is suspending Sydney from the end of August to a least the end of October..

American Airlines will drop its long-standing flights between Los Angeles and Sydney from the end of August until at least the end of October.

The move effectively sees the Qantas partner airline pull out of Australian skies, given that LAX-Sydney was American's only route 'down under'.


https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... 62P6rl54YM


But AKL is still being flown AA, I'd imagine? A route like LAX-SYD has too many carriers already. QF is the only carrier that needs to fly that route for AA. AA has had their code on QF flight, a very long time. Isn't the AA/QF tie-up revenue shared?


Except that Qantas isn’t flying that route at the moment…

Normally this route has QF, VA, DL and UA. With considerable transfer also occurring on NZ, and moderate transfer on FJ and believe it or not CZ. This has everything to do with borders remaining closed and nothing to do with latent demand.
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:21 pm

RWA380 wrote:
910A wrote:
American is suspending Sydney from the end of August to a least the end of October..

American Airlines will drop its long-standing flights between Los Angeles and Sydney from the end of August until at least the end of October.

The move effectively sees the Qantas partner airline pull out of Australian skies, given that LAX-Sydney was American's only route 'down under'.


https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... 62P6rl54YM


But AKL is still being flown AA, I'd imagine? A route like LAX-SYD has too many carriers already. QF is the only carrier that needs to fly that route for AA. AA has had their code on QF flight, a very long time. Isn't the AA/QF tie-up revenue shared & metal neutral?


AA hasn’t flown to AKL since March 2020.

QF/ AA is a JBA. So revenue shared, as was DL/VA plus UA so really was 3 on the route but it makes sense for AA to fly it so QF can fly elsewhere rather than 2x SYD-LAX.
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:23 pm

I don’t know why this is getting so much attention. With Australia’s borders almost completely closed there is currently no traffic on this route. Flight restart will continue to be constantly pushed back until borders open again. As more international flights are opening up (whether filled with passengers or not) and supply chains adjusted cargo only flights are not as lucrative as they once were.
 
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Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:30 pm

airzona11 wrote:
How long-standing was this route?


Began as a daily 77W 12/17/2015
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:08 pm

Polot wrote:
I don’t know why this is getting so much attention. With Australia’s borders almost completely closed there is currently no traffic on this route. Flight restart will continue to be constantly pushed back until borders open again. As more international flights are opening up (whether filled with passengers or not) and supply chains adjusted cargo only flights are not as lucrative as they once were.


There was no traffic on the route in November of 2020 when American resumed the route and with AA, DL and UA being the only carriers serving US-SYD-US routes along with a small number of cargo airlines, cargo rates to/from the US remain a bit higher than what we are now seeing to/from Europe where rates have dropped dramatically as more international flights resume.

What makes this interesting is AA is saying this latest suspension will last only until November of 2021 but some in Australia's government have already stated their borders will remain closed for the remainder of of 2021 and into 2022. In fact Reuters is reporting Australia is saying they will not reopen their border to the broader international community which includes the United States until at least the middle of 2022.
https://www.frommers.com/blogs/arthur-f ... until-2022
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 021-05-16/

If we are to believe your point of view, why then is American planning on resuming their flight in November of 2021 when traffic on the route will still be where it is today because Australia has no plans on reopening this year?
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:15 pm

jayunited wrote:
If we are to believe your point of view, why then is American planning on resuming their flight in November of 2021 when traffic on the route will still be where it is today because Australia has no plans on reopening this year?

Due to Covid US airlines frequently currently don’t even have their domestic schedules firmed out that far in advance, let alone their international ones. At the end of the day AA has no clue when Australia will open up, and is not canceling all the way out into next year in case Australia unexpectedly opens up or eases for the (southern) summer season. As November nears and they have a better understanding on what things will look like we will see if they actually resume then or push back start.
 
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Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:17 pm

Delta28L wrote:
Makes sense Australia keeps their borders closed.


Not surprising given the situation and inbound arrivals to Australia and limits there. AA re launched SYD on December 18th 2015. It started with a 77W and then switched to a 789. It last flew to Australia in 1992 prior to 2015.
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:23 pm

jayunited wrote:
Polot wrote:
I don’t know why this is getting so much attention. With Australia’s borders almost completely closed there is currently no traffic on this route. Flight restart will continue to be constantly pushed back until borders open again. As more international flights are opening up (whether filled with passengers or not) and supply chains adjusted cargo only flights are not as lucrative as they once were.


There was no traffic on the route in November of 2020 when American resumed the route and with AA, DL and UA being the only carriers serving US-SYD-US routes along with a small number of cargo airlines, cargo rates to/from the US remain a bit higher than what we are now seeing to/from Europe where rates have dropped dramatically as more international flights resume.

What makes this interesting is AA is saying this latest suspension will last only until November of 2021 but some in Australia's government have already stated their borders will remain closed for the remainder of of 2021 and into 2022. In fact Reuters is reporting Australia is saying they will not reopen their border to the broader international community which includes the United States until at least the middle of 2022.
https://www.frommers.com/blogs/arthur-f ... until-2022
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 021-05-16/

If we are to believe your point of view, why then is American planning on resuming their flight in November of 2021 when traffic on the route will still be where it is today because Australia has no plans on reopening this year?


AA isn’t going to fly the route long with the COVID restrictions of inbound travelers going into Sydney that aren’t Aussie restrictions. Shoot, crews themselves undergo strict quarantine as well upon entry (police escort from aircraft to hotel room).
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:24 pm

The suspension of AA's LAX-SYD means that for the duration, QF/OneWorld has no service between the US and Australia, right?
 
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Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:34 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
The suspension of AA's LAX-SYD means that for the duration, QF/OneWorld has no service between the US and Australia, right?


QF have been running a few BNE/MEL-LAX services, not sure if they are repatriation or not? QF haven’t been running any pax flights anywhere other than NZ and some repatriation flights elsewhere
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:15 pm

Australia has halved the cap on arrivals. 6,000 to 3,000 per week. Interesting they’re shooting for zero Covid. Wonder if it’s worth the effort. Covid will be with us forever after all. Will they keep the borders closed forever?
 
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Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:16 pm

Loads are abysmal, and we’re quickly approaching two years of COVID lockdowns. Not surprised they’re pulling the plug, how much longer can you waste money? Quick load check and it seems the average load going to SYD is about 21. Coming back is slightly higher. Unsustainable.
 
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Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:18 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
The suspension of AA's LAX-SYD means that for the duration, QF/OneWorld has no service between the US and Australia, right?


QF have been running a few BNE/MEL-LAX services, not sure if they are repatriation or not? QF haven’t been running any pax flights anywhere other than NZ and some repatriation flights elsewhere

The LAX/HNL/NRT/SIN/HKG/SGN/TBU flights are cargo flights. Besides scheduled NZ flights the recent repat flights have come from LHR/FRA/IST/DEL/MAA/JNB/YVR. They did a couple from WUH using 747's last year.

QF have also done charters like taking the Australian cricket team to UVF and troops to COS and FAI.
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:48 pm

AA averaging 21 passengers a day—wow! Do we think DL and UA are that low as well?
 
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Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:02 am

cedarjet wrote:
Australia has halved the cap on arrivals. 6,000 to 3,000 per week. Interesting they’re shooting for zero Covid. Wonder if it’s worth the effort. Covid will be with us forever after all. Will they keep the borders closed forever?


It is something that will have to be examined continually. I think it's reasonable to aim for no community transmission until you hit vaccine coverage that provides basic herd immunity. Then again I'm also in NZ so have a different point of view on this thing. Hell, even getting a covid test in 15 mins because I had flu like symptoms.
 
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Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:32 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
The suspension of AA's LAX-SYD means that for the duration, QF/OneWorld has no service between the US and Australia, right?


QF have been running a few BNE/MEL-LAX services, not sure if they are repatriation or not? QF haven’t been running any pax flights anywhere other than NZ and some repatriation flights elsewhere


I believe anything QF operates into LAX is cargo or maintenance but no pax.
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:06 am

cedarjet wrote:
Australia has halved the cap on arrivals. 6,000 to 3,000 per week. Interesting they’re shooting for zero Covid. Wonder if it’s worth the effort. Covid will be with us forever after all. Will they keep the borders closed forever?


With the current vaccination rates being so low (lowest in the OECD) Australia doesn’t have a choice at the moment. Immunity is too low and the Delta variant is highly contagious. Without being closed, Australia could quickly look like the UK or US last year. The current aim is to have everyone vaccinated by the end of the year, hence talk of opening up more in the first half of 2022.
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:15 am

No end in sight. A logical move.

The way I see it, the world, as we know it, ended in March of 2020.
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:24 am

They have too..... this is a very expensive route and there's no demand. The borders don't look to open anytime soon and even after they do demand will be slow to come back. They can restart when demand is there to have a shot at breaking even.....and that could be 2022
 
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Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:42 am

I think the biggest factor here is Australia's sluggish vaccination pace. My cousin living in Melbourne, who is in her 30's, told me that she will be eligible for the vaccine "some time by the end of 2021." At that rate, I don't expect to see many international flights to the country return until well into 2022.

Pick up the pace Aussies!
 
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Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:54 am

gwrudolph wrote:
AA averaging 21 passengers a day—wow! Do we think DL and UA are that low as well?


Yes, I am certain UA and DL are seeing similar loads.
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:05 am

This makes sense. American does not have a long history serving Australia with its own metal. Will be more efficient to have their partner Qantas serve the route when borders do reopen. Borders could be closed until 2023 with slow vaccination and variants in the U.S. Demand could be diminished for years.
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:43 am

acavpics wrote:
I think the biggest factor here is Australia's sluggish vaccination pace. My cousin living in Melbourne, who is in her 30's, told me that she will be eligible for the vaccine "some time by the end of 2021." At that rate, I don't expect to see many international flights to the country return until well into 2022.

Pick up the pace Aussies!


I can't understand why that is the case. Other less developed countries or less affluent ones are miles ahead of Australia when it comes to COVID vaccinations.
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:58 am

dcajet wrote:
acavpics wrote:
I think the biggest factor here is Australia's sluggish vaccination pace. My cousin living in Melbourne, who is in her 30's, told me that she will be eligible for the vaccine "some time by the end of 2021." At that rate, I don't expect to see many international flights to the country return until well into 2022.

Pick up the pace Aussies!


I can't understand why that is the case. Other less developed countries or less affluent ones are miles ahead of Australia when it comes to COVID vaccinations.


The reality is Australia and NZ got off lightly overall and other less developed countries are more in need.
 
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Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:59 am

gwrudolph wrote:
AA averaging 21 passengers a day—wow! Do we think DL and UA are that low as well?


They can’t do anything about it, Australia has a strict arrival cap, 35 I believe is the max pax allowed on a scheduled pax service, and you have to have MIQ space booked aswell.
 
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Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:06 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
dcajet wrote:
acavpics wrote:
I think the biggest factor here is Australia's sluggish vaccination pace. My cousin living in Melbourne, who is in her 30's, told me that she will be eligible for the vaccine "some time by the end of 2021." At that rate, I don't expect to see many international flights to the country return until well into 2022.

Pick up the pace Aussies!


I can't understand why that is the case. Other less developed countries or less affluent ones are miles ahead of Australia when it comes to COVID vaccinations.


The reality is Australia and NZ got off lightly overall and other less developed countries are more in need.


Well... not sure if I agree with that. Sounds more like an excuse than sound public health policy, So are they going to live in isolation and going from lockdown crisis to lockdown crisis for the next year every time new cases appear?

Airlines will eventually stop flying to Australia if this continues for much longer

"Despite all the effort they've put in, it gets to a point where the only rational response is to suspend operations to Australia, perhaps for a very long period of time," BARA executive director Barry Abrams said in a media statement.
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:22 am

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I can't understand why that is the case. Other less developed countries or less affluent ones are miles ahead of Australia when it comes to COVID vaccinations.


Its very simple, really.

Since this pandemic began some 17 months ago in February 2020, Australia has experienced relatively minimal societal impact (less than 930 total deaths) due to the effectiveness of closing of national borders. This has meant a comparatively lesser degree of immediate need for vaccine in this country. Hence, it is easy to understand that we (as a nation) were more concerned about other countries need where there was far more immediate / desperate demand.

It also didn't help that our Government strategy rested on only two approved vaccines, one of which is being manufactured locally and is still considered controversial whilst not approved for use in the USA, despite it's European / British origin. The other being Pfizer.

You suggested that Aussies should "pick up the pace". I am sure we would, if we could get more shipments of Pfizer as well as promised Moderna and Novavax - the latter two where initial shipments are expected during Q3 or Q4. Luckily, Pfizer's management has recognised the issue and is already accelerating deliveries to Australia.

Oh, and BTW - a number of upthread comments have referred to "lack of demand" across the USA-Australia route. There is NO lack of demand. What there is is a complete lack of Australian Government approval to allow foreign nationals into Australia or Australian citizens out. Believe me, there is plenty of demand within Australia for travel anywhere - and I am perfectly sure that the same reciprocal situation exists outside Australia.

What we are wary of is .. importing further cases of active COVID by allowing unfettered travel into the country until a reasonable degree of vaccination coverage has been achieved. Many may disagree with this policy - but it has served Australia well, so far ~ but at an admittedly high economic cost.
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:55 am

gwrudolph wrote:
AA averaging 21 passengers a day—wow! Do we think DL and UA are that low as well?


Yes. The quota for entry to Australia means that most flights into Australia a legally limited to 20-25 pax max. Maybe a few more for some flights but this is around average for all (UA, DL, AA, SQ, EK, QR, CX and whoever else flies to anaywhere in Australia with NZ to/from New Zealand being an exception). Quotas are given to airlines and then airlines decide who they fly in - and in general highest fares get priority. That is reason that some people have paid $10,000 for one-way LHR-SYD because they were desperate and economy class seats are almost unavailable and if they are available they cost a fortune ($2000 and up).

With the latest cut in entry quotas, some airlines have threatened to stop flying to Australia and it seems AA is the first one to do so.
 
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Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:33 am

Pi7472000 wrote:
This makes sense. American does not have a long history serving Australia with its own metal.


I suspect you accidentally confused American with Delta Airlines !?
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:58 am

Polot wrote:
I don’t know why this is getting so much attention. With Australia’s borders almost completely closed there is currently no traffic on this route. Flight restart will continue to be constantly pushed back until borders open again. As more international flights are opening up (whether filled with passengers or not) and supply chains adjusted cargo only flights are not as lucrative as they once were.


I wish people would stop saying there is no traffic on these routes, or anywhere internationally. I have taken over a dozen longhaul flights in and out of heavily hit countries, and people are flying. Ive been on 777-300ER's with 2 in F, 5-20 in J and 40+ in Y (throughout 2020). People have been flying.

There is a lot of Hollywood traffic to Australia, on full F and J class (when operating) or via private. But commercial is running into Australia on full F and J fares for sure. I was not aware AA was operating the route (because I have not looked) but flights are going in and out, albeit heavily restricted.
 
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Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:04 am

I know this may sound selfish and I am not being serious, but who else thinks 21 pax on a 14 hour long haul flight would be total paradise! I do! pity about the circumstances.
 
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Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:17 am

dcajet wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
dcajet wrote:

I can't understand why that is the case. Other less developed countries or less affluent ones are miles ahead of Australia when it comes to COVID vaccinations.


The reality is Australia and NZ got off lightly overall and other less developed countries are more in need.


Well... not sure if I agree with that. Sounds more like an excuse than sound public health policy, So are they going to live in isolation and going from lockdown crisis to lockdown crisis for the next year every time new cases appear?

Airlines will eventually stop flying to Australia if this continues for much longer

"Despite all the effort they've put in, it gets to a point where the only rational response is to suspend operations to Australia, perhaps for a very long period of time," BARA executive director Barry Abrams said in a media statement.


Keep wondering, bit this has been their take all the way through. yep I guess they are going to with what they have been doing throughout the pandemic, I’m not saying I agree with it but we don’t want a situation like the US or UK had earlier in the pandemic.

Yep airlines May stop flying to Australia but these aren’t normal times.
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:57 am

Sydney’s cap was cut to 1,505 per week, so presumably that 21 would be cut to 10.

https://australianaviation.com.au/2021/ ... -caps-cut/


The airlines were warned not to raise the fare too high in response to the cuts.
https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-a ... c96868ace3
 
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Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:44 am

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I know this may sound selfish and I am not being serious, but who else thinks 21 pax on a 14 hour long haul flight would be total paradise! I do! pity about the circumstances.


I flew a DFW-GRU segment in February where I was the only PE pax and there were 36 passengers total on a 789. It was weird.
 
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Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:10 am

usflyer msp wrote:
a36001 wrote:
I know this may sound selfish and I am not being serious, but who else thinks 21 pax on a 14 hour long haul flight would be total paradise! I do! pity about the circumstances.


I flew a DFW-GRU segment in February where I was the only PE pax and there were 36 passengers total on a 789. It was weird.


I fly regularly to Brazil and Colombia, and at least in my experience there is a surprising difference in load factors.. most of my Colombia flights are packed, while I've experienced several almost empty Brazil flights.
 
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Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:08 am

cedarjet wrote:
Australia has halved the cap on arrivals. 6,000 to 3,000 per week. Interesting they’re shooting for zero Covid. Wonder if it’s worth the effort. Covid will be with us forever after all. Will they keep the borders closed forever?


Australia would be better off pulling their finger out and getting vaccinations done. The Australian vaccination rates are really behind the rest of the G20 (bottom 4), because the federal government dragged their feet on getting orders in, particularly with Pfizer. The result being that State Governments are screaming for supplies that just aren't there. It's an absolutely shocking and embarrassing mess, and I am flabbergasted that the Federal Government seemingly isn't paying any political price for their incompetence.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?country=BHR~BRA~CHN~FRA~DEU~IND~JPN~TUR~ARE~GBR~USA~OWID_WRL~AUS~CAN~ARG~IDN~ITA~European+Union~ZAF~SAU~KOR~MEX~RUS

I don't think Australia's borders will open fully until late 2022, or even into 2023.
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:37 am

LAXLHR wrote:
Polot wrote:
I don’t know why this is getting so much attention. With Australia’s borders almost completely closed there is currently no traffic on this route. Flight restart will continue to be constantly pushed back until borders open again. As more international flights are opening up (whether filled with passengers or not) and supply chains adjusted cargo only flights are not as lucrative as they once were.


I wish people would stop saying there is no traffic on these routes, or anywhere internationally. I have taken over a dozen longhaul flights in and out of heavily hit countries, and people are flying. Ive been on 777-300ER's with 2 in F, 5-20 in J and 40+ in Y (throughout 2020). People have been flying.

There is a lot of Hollywood traffic to Australia, on full F and J class (when operating) or via private. But commercial is running into Australia on full F and J fares for sure. I was not aware AA was operating the route (because I have not looked) but flights are going in and out, albeit heavily restricted.

So you were on 77Ws with <100 people on board. Hardly backing up your argument there. It should be obvious that I didn’t literally mean no one was flying.

There is currently not a lot of Hollywood traffic because the Australia caps/restrictions.
 
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Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:02 am

DCA350 wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
a36001 wrote:
I know this may sound selfish and I am not being serious, but who else thinks 21 pax on a 14 hour long haul flight would be total paradise! I do! pity about the circumstances.


I flew a DFW-GRU segment in February where I was the only PE pax and there were 36 passengers total on a 789. It was weird.


I fly regularly to Brazil and Colombia, and at least in my experience there is a surprising difference in load factors.. most of my Colombia flights are packed, while I've experienced several almost empty Brazil flights.


Brazil's COVID situation has improved, somewhat but it remains a major center of infection and spread so there's not much demand to fly there.
 
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Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:07 am

kimshep wrote:
Pi7472000 wrote:
This makes sense. American does not have a long history serving Australia with its own metal.


I suspect you accidentally confused American with Delta Airlines !?


AA suspending LAX-SYD has nothing to do with years of service. LAX-SYD on AA has operated since 12/2015. AA and QF are partners and have a JV. It is AA's sole Australia route, yes, but so is DL's LAX-SYD and while DL has a partner (sort of) in Virgin Australia, I'm not sure under the current COVID circumstances or VA's financial condition, any of that matters. AA served Australia and New Zealand in the early 1990s on its own metal for a short time and has had a code-share and partnership with QF since then, so the argument that AA is suspending SYD temporarily based off its history of flying there is stupid. The reality is Australia has capped inbound arrivals to very small numbers, there is no demand (outside of cargo) and the logistics of crew layovers etc...make it an expensive long haul with few passengers at the moment.
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:19 am

CostaDelSol90 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
910A wrote:
American is suspending Sydney from the end of August to a least the end of October..



https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... 62P6rl54YM


But AKL is still being flown AA, I'd imagine? A route like LAX-SYD has too many carriers already. QF is the only carrier that needs to fly that route for AA. AA has had their code on QF flight, a very long time. Isn't the AA/QF tie-up revenue shared?


Except that Qantas isn’t flying that route at the moment…

Normally this route has QF, VA, DL and UA. With considerable transfer also occurring on NZ, and moderate transfer on FJ and believe it or not CZ. This has everything to do with borders remaining closed and nothing to do with latent demand.


More than just that. VA has permanently ceased operating this route after their Administration (Bankruptcy), and has retired their 777-300 fleet. So they’re not coming back. And New Zealand is also locked down, except for a “travel bubble” with Australia. My personal thought is that Australia’s vaccination rates have been a bit lower than many countries, which hasn’t helped a lot.
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:05 pm

ADent wrote:
Sydney’s cap was cut to 1,505 per week, so presumably that 21 would be cut to 10. The airlines were warned not to raise the fare too high in response to the cuts.

So they just expect the airlines to bleed even more money?
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:23 pm

a36001 wrote:
I know this may sound selfish and I am not being serious, but who else thinks 21 pax on a 14 hour long haul flight would be total paradise! I do! pity about the circumstances.


Well, let me tell you. The past 6 months I have flown both JFK-SIN 18.5 hours with 21 pax and LAX-SIN 16.5h with 30pax and I was not complaining about the light loads!
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:57 pm

AirKevin wrote:
ADent wrote:
Sydney’s cap was cut to 1,505 per week, so presumably that 21 would be cut to 10. The airlines were warned not to raise the fare too high in response to the cuts.

So they just expect the airlines to bleed even more money?


Yes, that is a bit ridiculous, isn’t it! Guessing sooner or later UA and DL will pull off of their SYD routes as well.
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:00 pm

AirKevin wrote:
ADent wrote:
Sydney’s cap was cut to 1,505 per week, so presumably that 21 would be cut to 10. The airlines were warned not to raise the fare too high in response to the cuts.

So they just expect the airlines to bleed even more money?


Until the level of vaccination is higher, Australian authorities would probably prefer no incoming flights or passengers at all. So they make it financially difficult.
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:11 pm

dcajet wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
dcajet wrote:

I can't understand why that is the case. Other less developed countries or less affluent ones are miles ahead of Australia when it comes to COVID vaccinations.


The reality is Australia and NZ got off lightly overall and other less developed countries are more in need.


Well... not sure if I agree with that. Sounds more like an excuse than sound public health policy, So are they going to live in isolation and going from lockdown crisis to lockdown crisis for the next year every time new cases appear?

Airlines will eventually stop flying to Australia if this continues for much longer

"Despite all the effort they've put in, it gets to a point where the only rational response is to suspend operations to Australia, perhaps for a very long period of time," BARA executive director Barry Abrams said in a media statement.


Government incompetence, nothing more, nothing less.
 
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Re: American suspends Sydney

Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:24 pm

kimshep wrote:
Pi7472000 wrote:
This makes sense. American does not have a long history serving Australia with its own metal.


I suspect you accidentally confused American with Delta Airlines !?


Not at all. American does not have a long history of its own metal in Australia. Makes much more sense to have Qantas fly routes between Australia and the U.S. for OneWorld when regulations allow.

Australia has done well during COVID (much better than the U.S.), but they may not reopen to U.S. travel until 2023 or beyond which is fine. Demand will take years to return to pre COVID levels with higher airfares and restrictions. Delta has much better inflight service than American so I could see them being able to return to pre COVID levels in Australia sooner than American.

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