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Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:50 am

Although this happened several months ago, I noticed that this was never discussed on the forum from it happened. I thought that this was a pretty historic event for FLL as it was the largest plane to visit the airport (Well, depending on if you consider the Antonov 124 to be bigger).
https://youtu.be/X11SFdQqHaI
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:31 am

Great video! A6-ABJ is a very clean 747, and I guess thats why I appreciate her so much. There are no other interesting 748 liveries out, so Ill take it.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:30 am

I think this aircraft now is part of Qatar Airways Executive it’s not Amiri , it’s using the registration as a call sign , the Amiri flights use “Amiri ##” as call sign
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:58 am

Hey guys,
Great video!
Interesting selection of aircraft in the first bit and then the main show. People like me who live in rural/remote areas and don't often get to airports appreciate this kind of work especially!
Well done and keep up the good work!
Take care,
Bunumuring
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:55 am

Nice video, thanks for sharing.

One question: Why would the airport need a runway inspection after a jumbo take off? I know this from some smaller airports with narrower runways, but both runways in FLL are 46m wide with additional two 10m wide shoulders on the sides. A total with of 66m should be more than plenty for a departing jumbo without the risk of swirling up debris or dust to the runway. Frankfurt for example has runways either 60m wide or 45m + 15m shoulders, where jumbos and A380s depart and land on a daily basis without any necessity for a runway inspection.

And... anyone noticed the L1 door on the Southwest 737 at 3:43? The turn handle on the door is not in the stowed position.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:15 am

Years ago , I watched a 747-121 take off from the same width runway runway in Cleveland. A piece of the asphalt shoulder (not the concrete runway) that had to be at least the 3m by 3m was torn from the ground and just missed the elevator. An airport with very infrequent departures by aircraft with engines outboard of the runway edges may not inspect those shoulders as frequently or they may know they might fail. FLL (like all of Florida) is probably very keen on concrete deterioration right now.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:14 am

B777Driver wrote:
I think this aircraft now is part of Qatar Airways Executive it’s not Amiri , it’s using the registration as a call sign , the Amiri flights use “Amiri ##” as call sign

Does that mean it’s available for charter for anyone with deep pockets?
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:09 am

UAEflyer wrote:
B777Driver wrote:
I think this aircraft now is part of Qatar Airways Executive it’s not Amiri , it’s using the registration as a call sign , the Amiri flights use “Amiri ##” as call sign

Does that mean it’s available for charter for anyone with deep pockets?

Unfortunately no, Qatar Airways Executive only offers Gulfstream jets for charter. Although not carrying Amiri callsign, it was most probably carrying some royal family member or senior ministers on board.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:27 am

MohawkWeekend wrote:
Years ago , I watched a 747-121 take off from the same width runway runway in Cleveland. A piece of the asphalt shoulder (not the concrete runway) that had to be at least the 3m by 3m was torn from the ground and just missed the elevator. An airport with very infrequent departures by aircraft with engines outboard of the runway edges may not inspect those shoulders as frequently or they may know they might fail. FLL (like all of Florida) is probably very keen on concrete deterioration right now.


Excellent post; that would seem to be right on target.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:34 am

Why does the SouthWest 737 at the 4 minute mark seem to have the L1 door not fully latched? Might just be me.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:06 pm

conaly wrote:
Nice video, thanks for sharing.

One question: Why would the airport need a runway inspection after a jumbo take off? I know this from some smaller airports with narrower runways, but both runways in FLL are 46m wide with additional two 10m wide shoulders on the sides. A total with of 66m should be more than plenty for a departing jumbo without the risk of swirling up debris or dust to the runway. Frankfurt for example has runways either 60m wide or 45m + 15m shoulders, where jumbos and A380s depart and land on a daily basis without any necessity for a runway inspection.

And... anyone noticed the L1 door on the Southwest 737 at 3:43? The turn handle on the door is not in the stowed position.


Hi, my guess is that FLL is classified for a different design group than the 747-8. During my time at KSEA, runway surface inspections were conducted after group VI aircraft like the An-124, A380 because the airport was classified as a group V airport. Biggest thing to look for besides debris (we had paved shoulders too) were edge signage that would be blown over by the thrust.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:03 pm

I was most interested in the BCAO 727 in the background. The 747-8i was very cool, but come on, a three holer in ‘21?
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:12 pm

conaly wrote:

And... anyone noticed the L1 door on the Southwest 737 at 3:43? The turn handle on the door is not in the stowed position.


Someone commented on YouTube about the same thing. It definitely doesn't look stowed in the correct position.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:59 pm

 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:07 pm

UA748i wrote:
There are no other interesting 748 liveries out, so Ill take it.

I think this one is pretty interesting as well..... :cheerful:

 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:51 pm

The 737 door handle is spring loaded to retract into a flush position after you latch the door closed. If you let go of the handle after closing the door and the handle isnt aligned with its recessed slot it will stay in whatever position it was released at. Doesn't hurt anything. The door is still latched. Airstream will rotate the handle the the horizontal position after takeoff and it will be pulled into its recess.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:13 pm

The 727-200 was donated by FedEx to Broward College Aviation. It's used by the A&P school.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:58 pm

Technically, Cargolux had the first 748 at FLL in June, 2014 of which I have some pretty bad quality photos.. It was a diversion from Miami. I can't confirm any others, but I'm sure FLL had cargo 748s a few times as diversions or for horse cargo to Dubai.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:18 am

kaminari wrote:
Technically, Cargolux had the first 748 at FLL in June, 2014 of which I have some pretty bad quality photos.. It was a diversion from Miami. I can't confirm any others, but I'm sure FLL had cargo 748s a few times as diversions or for horse cargo to Dubai.


Well that's the thing that always catches me off guard. Things like that people cant really expect to know because although those alleged visits were by accident, Nobody talks about those events or the pics/vids never surface. This exact issue is one of the reasons why I got into plane spotting.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:41 am

conaly wrote:
And... anyone noticed the L1 door on the Southwest 737 at 3:43? The turn handle on the door is not in the stowed position.


Virtual737 wrote:
Why does the SouthWest 737 at the 4 minute mark seem to have the L1 door not fully latched? Might just be me.


I saw that too. Can that be stowed from inside before take-off? Could not see position during take-off roll.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:17 pm

Devilfish wrote:
UA748i wrote:
There are no other interesting 748 liveries out, so Ill take it.

I think this one is pretty interesting as well..... :cheerful:


Long time this aircraft wasn’t spotted anywhere.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:02 pm

The bridge jetway worker did NOT a good job to look at the door latched if locked right position before the jetway moved out. Why didn't the crew check before leaving the jetway? It's pretty crazy.

Q
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:39 pm

SMYD wrote:
The 737 door handle is spring loaded to retract into a flush position after you latch the door closed. If you let go of the handle after closing the door and the handle isnt aligned with its recessed slot it will stay in whatever position it was released at. Doesn't hurt anything. The door is still latched. Airstream will rotate the handle the the horizontal position after takeoff and it will be pulled into its recess.


Interesting stuff.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:44 pm

Most are close to correct. The outboard engines and the wing tip vortices will kick junk up and on to the runway and especially at rotation. I flew the 747 into a few places and you could hear the runway inspection people getting into position.. sometimes even a few sweepers.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:22 pm

conaly wrote:
Nice video, thanks for sharing.

And... anyone noticed the L1 door on the Southwest 737 at 3:43? The turn handle on the door is not in the stowed position.


I saw that. That's definitely not SOP. Can someone provide an explanation for how that happens and wouldn't there be some sort of write up for that if discovered?
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:12 pm

MohawkWeekend wrote:
Years ago , I watched a 747-121 take off from the same width runway runway in Cleveland. A piece of the asphalt shoulder (not the concrete runway) that had to be at least the 3m by 3m was torn from the ground and just missed the elevator. An airport with very infrequent departures by aircraft with engines outboard of the runway edges may not inspect those shoulders as frequently or they may know they might fail. FLL (like all of Florida) is probably very keen on concrete deterioration right now.


A couple of weeks ago a departing Cargolux 747-8F tore up a section of the runway at Prestwick. With all the hot weather around at the moment, I guess it pays to inspect.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:20 pm

reltney wrote:
Most are close to correct. The outboard engines and the wing tip vortices will kick junk up and on to the runway and especially at rotation. I flew the 747 into a few places and you could hear the runway inspection people getting into position.. sometimes even a few sweepers.


I remember having the sweepers go after each jumbo (rare case) in NUE before, when the runway was still 45m wide. Now that it's 60m wide (45m + 15m shoulders), so they don't need that anymore. That's why I wondered why there would be a need for a inspection on a 66m wide runway like in FLL.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:47 pm

She actually spent a day at PBI before heading down the block to FLL. And it wasn’t her first visit to PBI. A few years earlier she brought members of the Qatari royal family to Palm Beach for a visit with then President Trump.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:15 pm

That thing represents an obscene amount of money! I want one!
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:29 am

conaly wrote:
reltney wrote:
Most are close to correct. The outboard engines and the wing tip vortices will kick junk up and on to the runway and especially at rotation. I flew the 747 into a few places and you could hear the runway inspection people getting into position.. sometimes even a few sweepers.


I remember having the sweepers go after each jumbo (rare case) in NUE before, when the runway was still 45m wide. Now that it's 60m wide (45m + 15m shoulders), so they don't need that anymore. That's why I wondered why there would be a need for a inspection on a 66m wide runway like in FLL.


Where did you get the idea KFLL are 66m wide runways? There’re 45m (150’) wide in every doc I could find., inc Jepp.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:06 am

kaminari wrote:
Technically, Cargolux had the first 748 at FLL in June, 2014 of which I have some pretty bad quality photos.. It was a diversion from Miami. I can't confirm any others, but I'm sure FLL had cargo 748s a few times as diversions or for horse cargo to Dubai.

747-8F are smaller than 747-8I tho
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:15 am

No, same size just short upper deck, which doesn’t effect the critical dimensions of span, length, wheel loading, turn radii.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:17 am

Niloko wrote:
kaminari wrote:
Technically, Cargolux had the first 748 at FLL in June, 2014 of which I have some pretty bad quality photos.. It was a diversion from Miami. I can't confirm any others, but I'm sure FLL had cargo 748s a few times as diversions or for horse cargo to Dubai.

747-8F are smaller than 747-8I tho

Same wingspan and length the 748i just has the larger upper deck
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:22 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Where did you get the idea KFLL are 66m wide runways? There’re 45m (150’) wide in every doc I could find., inc Jepp.


46m + 2x 10m shoulders on the sides. You can measure it on Google Maps if you want to. So nothing unusual, hence my question. I'd totally get it, if there would be no runway shoulders and the engines of a 747 would be at the far edge of the runway, but here the total width should be more than enough, even for a 747-8.

For comparison, Everett/Paine Field has a similar runway: 46m wide and two 10m shoulders and jumbos depart from there without any problems.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:25 pm

So, just spotted something in the OP's Video Link...

At 3:43 we see a WN 737 taxing (N496WN) and then taking off.

Odd, is that as it taxies past the spotter (and exposes the external of what I assume is L1), we see that the door is not locked/lock out of position.

Seeing the aircraft then hit the runway and takeoff, made me wonder - is there no indicator onboard? Can the lock be secured, internally, during taxi - or can be corrected in flight/internally from the aircraft?
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:50 am

Rajahdhani wrote:
So, just spotted something in the OP's Video Link...

At 3:43 we see a WN 737 taxing (N496WN) and then taking off.

Odd, is that as it taxies past the spotter (and exposes the external of what I assume is L1), we see that the door is not locked/lock out of position.

Seeing the aircraft then hit the runway and takeoff, made me wonder - is there no indicator onboard? Can the lock be secured, internally, during taxi - or can be corrected in flight/internally from the aircraft?


Read up the thread. Multiple posts about it.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:54 am

How come A7-HHE is the only one painted in full Qatar livery and not the other two (including this one). The QR livery looks superb on the 747-8i.
 
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Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:53 am

Boeing757100 wrote:
How come A7-HHE is the only one painted in full Qatar livery and not the other two (including this one). The QR livery looks superb on the 747-8i.


Check again. I believe A7-HHE and A7-HHF are identically in full Qatar livery, I think they both are secured with special anti-missile systems as official planes of the Qatari head of state. Only A7-HBJ (now for sale) has this one off new age livery and was used in past by Qatari businessmen that were relatives of the Emir.
 
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Re: Qatar's Boeing 747-8 BBJ Takeoff from FLL

Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:30 am

aristoenigma wrote:
Boeing757100 wrote:
How come A7-HHE is the only one painted in full Qatar livery and not the other two (including this one). The QR livery looks superb on the 747-8i.


Check again. I believe A7-HHE and A7-HHF are identically in full Qatar livery, I think they both are secured with special anti-missile systems as official planes of the Qatari head of state. Only A7-HBJ (now for sale) has this one off new age livery and was used in past by Qatari businessmen that were relatives of the Emir.



Never mind! Just checked and you are right!

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