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First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:16 am

Aurora has become the first airline to sign a letter of intent to purchase 19 IL-114-300 regional turboprops from UAC, with deliveries beginning in 2023. The airline was recently spun off from the Aeroflot Group and I believe it is now under total control of the Sakhalin Oblast.

The agreement was signed during MAKS 2021.

https://www.airway1.com/russian-airline ... urboprops/
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:29 am

I don't know about the operating cost of the aircraft but it sure is a beautiful looking bird. I hope I get to fly it someday. Would be a cool part of the world to visit. Good luck Aurora
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:34 am

Nice! If the Russians can cobble something together better than the SSJ something like this would be a hit as a DC-3 replacement and the Canadian Northern Territories, Lapland, etc.
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:18 am

Italianflyer wrote:
Nice! If the Russians can cobble something together better than the SSJ something like this would be a hit as a DC-3 replacement and the Canadian Northern Territories, Lapland, etc.


I think it'd be a lot simpler and more sustainable for Canadian/Scandinavian operators to work with ATR if they were to need an aircraft of that size which could operate into landing strips on snow/ice. The supply chain and support are better for customers outside of Russia. Not sure how you figure an aircraft twice the size would be "a hit as a DC-3 replacement."
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:11 am

[quote="ScottB

I think it'd be a lot simpler and more sustainable for Canadian/Scandinavian operators to work with ATR if they were to need an aircraft of that size which could operate into landing strips on snow/ice. The supply chain and support are better for customers outside of Russia. Not sure how you figure an aircraft twice the size would be "a hit as a DC-3 replacement."[/quote]

I'm talking about as a mixed cargo plus pax replacement. I agree that the problem will probably arise with parts and back end support just like the SSJ.
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:19 am

dcajet wrote:
Aurora has become the first airline to sign a letter of intent to purchase 19 IL-114-300 regional turboprops from UAC, with deliveries beginning in 2023. The airline was recently spun off from the Aeroflot Group and I believe it is now under total control of the Sakhalin Oblast.

The agreement was signed during MAKS 2021.

https://www.airway1.com/russian-airline ... urboprops/


hmmmmmm.....have they re-signed the same letter /letters of intent for 19 IL-114-300 from 2019 or have they used a new sheet of paper?
OK so now we are informed, that the 19x IL-400-300 shall be bought by Aurora, former it was not known. Or do we have now 38x LOI?

Link is in German from 2019;
https://aerobuzz.de/luftverkehr-news/united-aircraft-corporation-hat-die-erste-il-114-300-vorgestellt/
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:44 am

Nice looking aircraft, bit like a 748/BAE ATP on steroids
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:48 am

I'm a fan of anything that has prop blades painted blue and yellow!
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:45 am

Saab 2000ski?
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:26 pm

FlyingElvii wrote:
Saab 2000ski?

Actually, it's more like the Saab 2000 is an Il-114"non-ski" since the Saab flew after the original Il-114.
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:26 pm

Nice! If the Russians can cobble something together better than the SSJ something like this would be a hit as a DC-3 replacement and the Canadian Northern Territories, Lapland, etc.


The SSJ is a very fine airplane, well designed, great flight characteristics. It does however lack the required product support. I was really disappointed the Russians could not understand what is needed on the market, even with Alenia support.

I don't think the Il-114 has any prospect on the Western market. The latest Russian products (MC-21, Il-114) appear to target the domestic market, with indigeneous components, including engines and avionics, while the initial SSJ had much more foreign content.
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:44 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
Saab 2000ski?

Actually, it's more like the Saab 2000 is an Il-114"non-ski" since the Saab flew after the original Il-114.


If that isn’t damning in faint praise…. When the production run of the SAAB 2000 dwarfs yours several decades in.
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:04 pm

armagnac2010 : I'm sure there were Russians who understood the issue, but geopolitics squashed their hopes, when their president decided to start a couple of wars...
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:25 pm

Italianflyer wrote:
[quote="ScottB

I think it'd be a lot simpler and more sustainable for Canadian/Scandinavian operators to work with ATR if they were to need an aircraft of that size which could operate into landing strips on snow/ice. The supply chain and support are better for customers outside of Russia. Not sure how you figure an aircraft twice the size would be "a hit as a DC-3 replacement."


I'm talking about as a mixed cargo plus pax replacement. I agree that the problem will probably arise with parts and back end support just like the SSJ.[/quote]

Great idea in fantasy, but in reality when the last of the 732s finally time out, the ATR, which has been flying in Canada’s North for almost 20 years and the DH4, including the combi option, are likely to be the replacements with things like chartered Hercs for oversized equipment. The ATR 15 years ago already partially replaced jets when the 721Cs retired.
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:30 pm

FlyingElvii wrote:
Saab 2000ski?


Except that its 120 mph slower...
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:34 pm

armagnac2010 wrote:
Nice! If the Russians can cobble something together better than the SSJ something like this would be a hit as a DC-3 replacement and the Canadian Northern Territories, Lapland, etc.


The SSJ is a very fine airplane, well designed, great flight characteristics. It does however lack the required product support. I was really disappointed the Russians could not understand what is needed on the market, even with Alenia support.

I don't think the Il-114 has any prospect on the Western market. The latest Russian products (MC-21, Il-114) appear to target the domestic market, with indigeneous components, including engines and avionics, while the initial SSJ had much more foreign content.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the Alenia side that derailed the support: SJI wanted to handle the aftermarket, even when the OEMs were locally present and ready and willing to support (in the Americas with Interjet for example). From experience, the Italians want to handle everything and not delegate. Hindsight is 20/20, but they were warned.
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:55 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
armagnac2010 wrote:
Nice! If the Russians can cobble something together better than the SSJ something like this would be a hit as a DC-3 replacement and the Canadian Northern Territories, Lapland, etc.


The SSJ is a very fine airplane, well designed, great flight characteristics. It does however lack the required product support. I was really disappointed the Russians could not understand what is needed on the market, even with Alenia support.

I don't think the Il-114 has any prospect on the Western market. The latest Russian products (MC-21, Il-114) appear to target the domestic market, with indigeneous components, including engines and avionics, while the initial SSJ had much more foreign content.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the Alenia side that derailed the support: SJI wanted to handle the aftermarket, even when the OEMs were locally present and ready and willing to support (in the Americas with Interjet for example). From experience, the Italians want to handle everything and not delegate. Hindsight is 20/20, but they were warned.


I don't think so. In fact, wasn't Alenia long gone from its partnership with Sukhoi when the Interjet fiasco occurred? Russia can and does design fine aircraft, but old habits die hard, and they flunk the product support test. And this is not just confined to the aerospace industry, Have you seen or read about the mess with the Sputnik COVID vaccine? A very effective one indeed, (and different from the rest in that the 2 doses include different components) but as a few countries are finding out, Russia lacks the scale to mass produce them. So they have been left waiting for the second dose more than the maximum 3 month interval between doses and are told now: sorry, but the Russian market comes first. Ask Argentina, where authorities find themselves now in a sanitary conundrum and had to hastily procure replacements at China and the US and wondering what to do with the millions that already received the first dose of the Sputnik vaccine.
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:00 pm

T4thH wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Aurora has become the first airline to sign a letter of intent to purchase 19 IL-114-300 regional turboprops from UAC, with deliveries beginning in 2023. The airline was recently spun off from the Aeroflot Group and I believe it is now under total control of the Sakhalin Oblast.

The agreement was signed during MAKS 2021.

https://www.airway1.com/russian-airline ... urboprops/


hmmmmmm.....have they re-signed the same letter /letters of intent for 19 IL-114-300 from 2019 or have they used a new sheet of paper?
OK so now we are informed, that the 19x IL-400-300 shall be bought by Aurora, former it was not known. Or do we have now 38x LOI?

Link is in German from 2019;
https://aerobuzz.de/luftverkehr-news/united-aircraft-corporation-hat-die-erste-il-114-300-vorgestellt/


That is very interesting. A bit of good ol' PR fluff? So they found some airline willing to take those 19 IL-114-300? Probably Aurora's former owner (Aeroflot) didn't want anything to do with the plane, but now that Aeroflot's gone...
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:37 pm

 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:23 pm

T4thH wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Or do we have now 38x LOI?


38 is more of less correct number.

Naming Aurora as the "the first airline to sign a letter of intent" is incorrect.

Back in 2017 GTLK lessor signed the option for 50 aircraft.

During MAKS-2019 UAC signed several LOIs for 16 aircraft + 3 option (19 total):
Polar Airlines (ICAO RKA) - 8
KrasAvia (ICAO SSJ) - 3
Rostec in-house lessor - 3
Logistic arm of Ministry of Defense of RF - 2 (+3 option).

So, at the end of 2019 they had 19 commitments.

Later, there were reports that GTLK deposited money for the 3 planes (from its option?).

Now, during MAKS-2021 UAC signed agreements with Aurora (SHU) for another 19 and Vologda Air (VGV) for 3 aircraft.

19+19+3 = 41.

Obviously, it is not correct to add GTLK's 50 to total number of ordered aircraft,
because some of orders will be finalized with GTLK help.
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:47 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
armagnac2010 wrote:
Nice! If the Russians can cobble something together better than the SSJ something like this would be a hit as a DC-3 replacement and the Canadian Northern Territories, Lapland, etc.


The SSJ is a very fine airplane, well designed, great flight characteristics. It does however lack the required product support. I was really disappointed the Russians could not understand what is needed on the market, even with Alenia support.

I don't think the Il-114 has any prospect on the Western market. The latest Russian products (MC-21, Il-114) appear to target the domestic market, with indigeneous components, including engines and avionics, while the initial SSJ had much more foreign content.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the Alenia side that derailed the support: SJI wanted to handle the aftermarket, even when the OEMs were locally present and ready and willing to support (in the Americas with Interjet for example). From experience, the Italians want to handle everything and not delegate. Hindsight is 20/20, but they were warned.


While support for the SSJ has been miserable, in Interjet's case it is not entirely accurate to put all the blame on Sukhoi (or Alenia). Interjet after all were in an economic downward spiral for several years and owed money to just about everybody they dealt with including Employees and Airports. So I am not sure they would have got adequate support from any Manufacturer in the circumstances, given they had no money to pay for it.
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:24 pm

Cityjet was not impressed either with the product support. It was a golden opportunity for the aircraft to show its capacity, from Brussels, at the very center of Europe.

And SCAC did not manage to grab it.

My own impression is also that this lies with bad habits than deliberate negligence, but the end result is the same. Also, Alenia does not really have a huge product support network and might not have been the ideal partner to educate the Russians.
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:34 pm

debonair wrote:


Interesting, i wonder if they may be Yak 40 replacements. I like the -114 (flew one in Uzbekistan), but I'm skeptical that they'll sell well in Russia. The AN-24 is still easy to maintain, parts are plentiful, good range/endurance and with a high wing they can easily manage rough or contaminated runways. Unless politics steps in you'll likely see more ATRs and Q400s than -114s in the coming years... :(
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:28 am

Italianflyer wrote:
I'm talking about as a mixed cargo plus pax replacement. I agree that the problem will probably arise with parts and back end support just like the SSJ.

Western carriers may be better off reviving the mooted DHC-8 Combi new-build..... :boxedin:

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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:54 am

Pentaprism wrote:

While support for the SSJ has been miserable, in Interjet's case it is not entirely accurate to put all the blame on Sukhoi (or Alenia). Interjet after all were in an economic downward spiral for several years and owed money to just about everybody they dealt with including Employees and Airports. So I am not sure they would have got adequate support from any Manufacturer in the circumstances, given they had no money to pay for it.


Indeed, Interjet was a train wreck. Honest question: did they have the same issues with their Airbus fleet in terms of access to support/spares?
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:12 am

dcajet wrote:
Pentaprism wrote:

While support for the SSJ has been miserable, in Interjet's case it is not entirely accurate to put all the blame on Sukhoi (or Alenia). Interjet after all were in an economic downward spiral for several years and owed money to just about everybody they dealt with including Employees and Airports. So I am not sure they would have got adequate support from any Manufacturer in the circumstances, given they had no money to pay for it.


Indeed, Interjet was a train wreck. Honest question: did they have the same issues with their Airbus fleet in terms of access to support/spares?

In my experience (I was working for one of the suppliers), Interjet did not have any issues getting spares and support for the Airbus fleet.
We tried to implement support capabilities in the US for the SSJ100, but got shut down by corporate because SJI would not budge and allow us to support the fleet. Oh well.
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:38 am

FlyingElvii wrote:
Saab 2000ski?


Probably more of a BAe ATP ski than the Saab 2000
 
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Re: First commitment for the "new" IL-114-300

Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:15 pm

Was Uzbekistan Airways the solde operator of this aircraft ?
Moreover, I think they no longer fly with the IL-114.

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