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Update: Jet2 orders 36 Airbus A321neo

Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:24 pm

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... YRNb_w_7s8

> Currently in advanced talks with Airbus for potential narrowbody orders, either A320neo or A321neo.
> Could involve purchase up to 50 Airbus jets worth some USD 5 billion
> Does not rule out B737MAX
> Both Airbus and Boeing decline to comment
> Jet2 raised 422 million pounds (USD 586 million) through share issue in February which it said was to help to ride out of COVID 19 storm
> Last major purchase was end-of-line 34 Boeing 737-800 aircraft
> Currently including leased jets, it operates some 90 aircraft
> Corriere della Sera, an Italian newspaper, reported leaked details of proposals to supply jets to Italian airline ITA, where Airbus and Boeing are competing hard for business
> The newspaper outlined detailed offers from Airbus including $49 million for A320neos, a discount of 56% from listed price of USD 111 million per piece (https://www.corriere.it/economia/aziend ... 6464.shtml)

Two orders to look out for, Jet2 and ITA (the new Alitalia).
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:30 pm

Does an airline like Jet2 need a "big" order in COVID times with a fleet of around 90 planes already?
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:37 pm

^ Considering it's following a leisure/LCC type business model, I'd say yes. The planes won't be coming in all at once tomorrow anyway.
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:51 pm

Did jet2 take some a321’s from Thomas cook? If so maybe they were happy with the aircraft and it’s performance and decided to contact airbus directly for more.
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:55 pm

a350lover wrote:
Does an airline like Jet2 need a "big" order in COVID times with a fleet of around 90 planes already?

For now, no of course not, but now is a great time to secure deals for future fleet replacements. They'll be looking at new planes from 2024 onwards.
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:55 pm

Is this just a bargaining technique in the style of MOL, or is there serious intent here ?
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:59 pm

That's not a lot of discount considering Delta got (I might be wrong) around 65% in their recent fairly "small" A321neo order. Maybe Airbus will be giving even more discount but that's the most they can reveal?

If they aren't ruling out the maxes surely Boeing will be giving Jet 2 similar discounts that Airbus gave to Delta. Maybe they're just trying to get even more discount for the max.
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:26 pm

MCTSET wrote:
Did jet2 take some a321’s from Thomas cook? If so maybe they were happy with the aircraft and it’s performance and decided to contact airbus directly for more.


Going through planespotters.net, only one A321 is currently in operation with Jet2, G-HLYF (msn 6639).
Most of the other A321s slated to join Jet2 have been quoted as ntu by planespotters, here are some of them that I managed to pull out...

G-HLYA, msn 6038, ntu, in storage at DGX since 1 Dec 2020; registered as OE-IOV;
G-HLYB, msn 6056, ntu, in storage at DGX since 1 Dec 2020; registered as OE-IOJ;
G-HLYC, msn 6122, ntu, to Nordwind Airlines as VQ-BRX on 12 May 2021;
G-HLYD, msn 6515, ntu, to Nordwind Airlines as VQ-BRY on 28 May 2021;
G-HLYE, msn 6376, ntu, to Vietravel Airlines as VN-A278 on 18 Dec 2020;
G-HLYG, msn 6979, ntu, to Vietravel Airlines as VN-A288 on 25 Jan 2021.
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:31 pm

Would be a bad loss for Boeing should Jet2 go with Airbus.
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:39 pm

This is Airbus order to loose.
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:35 pm

Niloko wrote:
That's not a lot of discount considering Delta got (I might be wrong) around 65% in their recent fairly "small" A321neo order. Maybe Airbus will be giving even more discount but that's the most they can reveal?


The size of the relative customers cannot be ignored when discussing possible discounts.
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:35 pm

AaronPMI wrote:
This is Airbus order to loose.


Nah, this is Boeing's order to lose.
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:13 pm

I would think a A320/A321 fleet would serve Jet2 very well. Remember that at the moment they have 737-800s of various vintages from some of the oldest to some of the newest end of line NGs and they also have/had some of the oldest 757s (I'm not sure what the status of the fleet is as some suggest they have already been retired). They will need a bigger aircraft than the 737-800 and for me the 737 range doesn't offer it. Ive been told by personnel from the recently transfer to the newly opened BRS base they are very impressed with the A321 they operate and the ones they used from Titan over previous summers.

The only thing in Boeings favour is they already operate the 737, the problem is they don't offer a bigger plane along the lines of the 757 which Jet2 pre covid used to easily fill and having that sole A321 in the fleet is certainly mixing it up a little! One things for sure the boys and girls at Jet2 are very savvy so any process will be well thought out!
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:17 pm

AaronPMI wrote:
This is Airbus order to loose.

They have literally just taken delivery a fleet of new build B73Hs. Seems a brave move to me.....
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:35 pm

B757236GT wrote:
I would think a A320/A321 fleet would serve Jet2 very well. Remember that at the moment they have 737-800s of various vintages from some of the oldest to some of the newest end of line NGs and they also have/had some of the oldest 757s (I'm not sure what the status of the fleet is as some suggest they have already been retired). They will need a bigger aircraft than the 737-800 and for me the 737 range doesn't offer it. Ive been told by personnel from the recently transfer to the newly opened BRS base they are very impressed with the A321 they operate and the ones they used from Titan over previous summers.

The only thing in Boeings favour is they already operate the 737, the problem is they don't offer a bigger plane along the lines of the 757 which Jet2 pre covid used to easily fill and having that sole A321 in the fleet is certainly mixing it up a little! One things for sure the boys and girls at Jet2 are very savvy so any process will be well thought out!


The 737-10 gets fairly close in terms of capacity
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:37 pm

Jet2 used the 757 on transatlantic shipping trips around Xmas time in the past. The A321LR in the fleet could allow that and open other destinations.
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:34 am

B757236GT wrote:
I would think a A320/A321 fleet would serve Jet2 very well. Remember that at the moment they have 737-800s of various vintages from some of the oldest to some of the newest end of line NGs and they also have/had some of the oldest 757s (I'm not sure what the status of the fleet is as some suggest they have already been retired). They will need a bigger aircraft than the 737-800 and for me the 737 range doesn't offer it. Ive been told by personnel from the recently transfer to the newly opened BRS base they are very impressed with the A321 they operate and the ones they used from Titan over previous summers.

The only thing in Boeings favour is they already operate the 737, the problem is they don't offer a bigger plane along the lines of the 757 which Jet2 pre covid used to easily fill and having that sole A321 in the fleet is certainly mixing it up a little! One things for sure the boys and girls at Jet2 are very savvy so any process will be well thought out!


When did the MAX-9 and MAX-10 get cancelled? What did I miss?
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:30 am

Speedy752 wrote:
B757236GT wrote:
I would think a A320/A321 fleet would serve Jet2 very well. Remember that at the moment they have 737-800s of various vintages from some of the oldest to some of the newest end of line NGs and they also have/had some of the oldest 757s (I'm not sure what the status of the fleet is as some suggest they have already been retired). They will need a bigger aircraft than the 737-800 and for me the 737 range doesn't offer it. Ive been told by personnel from the recently transfer to the newly opened BRS base they are very impressed with the A321 they operate and the ones they used from Titan over previous summers.

The only thing in Boeings favour is they already operate the 737, the problem is they don't offer a bigger plane along the lines of the 757 which Jet2 pre covid used to easily fill and having that sole A321 in the fleet is certainly mixing it up a little! One things for sure the boys and girls at Jet2 are very savvy so any process will be well thought out!


When did the MAX-9 and MAX-10 get cancelled? What did I miss?


I didnt say they were cancelled so think you quoted the wrong person. I didnt even know they had ordered them hence this discussion?
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:02 pm

B757236GT wrote:
Speedy752 wrote:
B757236GT wrote:
I would think a A320/A321 fleet would serve Jet2 very well. Remember that at the moment they have 737-800s of various vintages from some of the oldest to some of the newest end of line NGs and they also have/had some of the oldest 757s (I'm not sure what the status of the fleet is as some suggest they have already been retired). They will need a bigger aircraft than the 737-800 and for me the 737 range doesn't offer it. Ive been told by personnel from the recently transfer to the newly opened BRS base they are very impressed with the A321 they operate and the ones they used from Titan over previous summers.

The only thing in Boeings favour is they already operate the 737, the problem is they don't offer a bigger plane along the lines of the 757 which Jet2 pre covid used to easily fill and having that sole A321 in the fleet is certainly mixing it up a little! One things for sure the boys and girls at Jet2 are very savvy so any process will be well thought out!


When did the MAX-9 and MAX-10 get cancelled? What did I miss?


I didnt say they were cancelled so think you quoted the wrong person. I didnt even know they had ordered them hence this discussion?


I THINK the poster you're replying to is trying to say the 9/10 MAX is a suitable 757 replacement for jet2's needs. That's how I read it anyway, tongue in cheek.
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:11 pm

seansasLCY wrote:
Jet2 used the 757 on transatlantic shipping trips around Xmas time in the past. The A321LR in the fleet could allow that and open other destinations.

The big question is how important is that capability to the airline. Is it a necessity, or something nice to have. Does Jet2 really need A321LRs if they are only used transatlantic a handful of times a year, or would be they better off just temporarily leasing in planes (like they have done with A330s) or ending the flights? Most of their operations are well within the capability of the standard A320/A321neo or Max 8/9/10 after all.
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:33 pm

Equally, might they be looking at extending the scope of their operations to destinations where they can take advantage of the range offered by the A321LR/XLR , and it makes sense to have crew-compatible aircraft for shorter-range services?
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:25 pm

AaronPMI wrote:
This is Airbus order to loose.


Nah. This is Airbus order Toulouse.
 
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Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:45 pm

DartHerald wrote:
Equally, might they be looking at extending the scope of their operations to destinations where they can take advantage of the range offered by the A321LR/XLR , and it makes sense to have crew-compatible aircraft for shorter-range services?

Looking at the range difference, the only markets offered by the LR/XLR in addition to the regular A321 from the UK are:
  • Northeast USA and East Canada
  • West and Central Africa
  • The Arabian peninsula
  • Pakistan and Central Asia

Few of these strike me as the typical destinations for Jet2 travellers. DXB might be attractive for holidays, perhaps. The Carolinas have nice beaches too.
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:57 pm

The question is if it really makes sense to operate A20N/A21N alongside the recently acquired B738. And I don’t really think that it is efficient to operate like just one A321 compared to 90 B738.
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:35 pm

One of their main bases is Leeds-Bradford and the runway is only 2250m long; similarly Bristol runway length is 2011m, would a fully loaded Max 10 make it to the Canary Islands or Madeira non-stop? Remember the 321NEO has a significantly better airfield performance.
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:55 pm

Pendennis wrote:
One of their main bases is Leeds-Bradford and the runway is only 2250m long; similarly Bristol runway length is 2011m, would a fully loaded Max 10 make it to the Canary Islands or Madeira non-stop? Remember the 321NEO has a significantly better airfield performance.


Shouldn't be a problem at Bristol for it to operate out of there given the current sphere of operation and that B738 regularly went to SSH pre-covid without penalty.

It depends how Jet2 see their operation evolving over the next few years. The A321 would give them an option should they want to go further with the LR/XLR and while i think they would be better off with an A320/A321 fleet (personal opinion based on nothing in particular) i can see more 737s appearing of the max variety, only time will tell of course.
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:16 am

SwissCanuck wrote:
B757236GT wrote:
Speedy752 wrote:

When did the MAX-9 and MAX-10 get cancelled? What did I miss?


I didnt say they were cancelled so think you quoted the wrong person. I didnt even know they had ordered them hence this discussion?


I THINK the poster you're replying to is trying to say the 9/10 MAX is a suitable 757 replacement for jet2's needs. That's how I read it anyway, tongue in cheek.


Bingo. Unless you need the range of the a321XLR or LR the MAX10 or max9 are perfectly fine substitutes. I don’t know how they intend to fly, but splitting the smallish fleet for a possibility of maybe flying longer routes later doesn’t seem like a financially smart decision. Add In the likely lower capex for them and you have a good reason to go MAX
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:02 am

Speedy752 wrote:
SwissCanuck wrote:
B757236GT wrote:

I didnt say they were cancelled so think you quoted the wrong person. I didnt even know they had ordered them hence this discussion?


I THINK the poster you're replying to is trying to say the 9/10 MAX is a suitable 757 replacement for jet2's needs. That's how I read it anyway, tongue in cheek.


Bingo. Unless you need the range of the a321XLR or LR the MAX10 or max9 are perfectly fine substitutes. I don’t know how they intend to fly, but splitting the smallish fleet for a possibility of maybe flying longer routes later doesn’t seem like a financially smart decision. Add In the likely lower capex for them and you have a good reason to go MAX


The other factor to consider is runway performance, Jet2 flies to the like of the Canary Islands, Turkey and Greece from GLA, EDI, NCL, LBA and BRS amongst others, some of which have runways barely over 2000m. The A321 would have fewer restrictions on these longer flights, plus allowing them the option of TATL if they believe it's worth it.
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:46 am

It is really interesting what Jet2s future plans are. To fly winter TATL, the LR/XLR is needed to replace the 757s, the XLR might even be able to do TATL out of the shortish runways with the improved wing.

So if Jet2 wants to keep the winter flights the 737s have no chance. Further if Jet2 wants to add additional flights to NA, the Airbus is the clear favourite. On the other hand if Jet2 is willing to focus solely on European holiday routes the -800s with a few additional MAX will do the job just fine and should be cheaper in the grand scheme as the infrastructure is already in place and the pilots trained and ready.
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:24 am

Could it be a split order? 737-8 and A321? Jet2 wouldn't be the first airline to order both types.
 
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Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:43 am

I don’t think some posters are aware that Jet2 already has an A321 in its full-time, self-operated fleet. There was a plan to have more ex TCX frames, but the leases were cancelled during the pandemic.

Jet2 have had a mixed fleet for many, many years. The 757 and 737 don’t have a huge amount of commonality, for example. They have already evaluated the A321 for their fleet and found it suitable. The question now is if the NEO can be had at competitive prices, or if Boeing will make an offer they can’t refuse?

As for the dozen NYC shopping trips? I think the MAX-8 would be capable from the regional airports, or the AirTanker A330s they leased in for MAN.
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:12 pm

MCTSET wrote:
Did jet2 take some a321’s from Thomas cook? If so maybe they were happy with the aircraft and it’s performance and decided to contact airbus directly for more.

According to Planespotters, they have one ex-Air Berlin/Thomas Cook A321 leased from Avolon. The 6.1 year old plane is currently stored at MAN.

If they order more A321s, it might be to replace their B757s, some of which are approaching 34 years old.
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:38 pm

Jet2 is known to look after their aircraft and take it right to end of its service life.
 
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BrianDromey wrote:
I don’t think some posters are aware that Jet2 already has an A321 in its full-time, self-operated fleet. There was a plan to have more ex TCX frames, but the leases were cancelled during the pandemic.

Jet2 have had a mixed fleet for many, many years. The 757 and 737 don’t have a huge amount of commonality, for example. They have already evaluated the A321 for their fleet and found it suitable. The question now is if the NEO can be had at competitive prices, or if Boeing will make an offer they can’t refuse?

As for the dozen NYC shopping trips? I think the MAX-8 would be capable from the regional airports, or the AirTanker A330s they leased in for MAN.


Or the NYC trips be dropped all together and operations concentrate on the core flying which is in winter longer runs to the Canaries, Med and Mainland Spain, Charter work, Cities for Christmas and post January and of course Ski flights.

I cannot see a reason they will go with the max unless there at a price that cannot be refused. However the negative PR is there with the 737max and I wonder how much that would knock confidence. My bet is that this is Airbus' order to loose and all this media talk is basically him playing Airbus and Boeing off each other. 100% doing a MOL after 9/11.
 
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Re: Jet2 eyes switch to Airbus in new plane talks - sources

Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:19 pm

flee wrote:
MCTSET wrote:
Did jet2 take some a321’s from Thomas cook? If so maybe they were happy with the aircraft and it’s performance and decided to contact airbus directly for more.

According to Planespotters, they have one ex-Air Berlin/Thomas Cook A321 leased from Avolon. The 6.1 year old plane is currently stored at MAN.

If they order more A321s, it might be to replace their B757s, some of which are approaching 34 years old.


G-HYLF their current A321 has been in service for over two weeks. “rumoured to get two more, which are currently under maintenance” but I don’t know the MSN’s.
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A320B737NGCapt wrote:
G-HYLF their current A321 has been in service for over two weeks. “rumoured to get two more, which are currently under maintenance” but I don’t know the MSN’s.

The one in service is G-HLYF (HLY short for 'Holiday') has been operating since the restart of operations on July 1st. G-HLYA (ex D-TCDD and OE-IOV, msn 6038) and G-HLYB (ex D-TCDE and OE-IOJ, msn 6505) are the ones who are supposedly joining the fleet, but unsure what time scale we are looking at.
 
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Jet2 orders 36 Airbus A321neo

Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:08 pm

Jet2 orders 36 Airbus A321neo as announced by Airbus. Belive this is the first new Airbus order the airline placed?

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... tomer.html

Michael
 
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Re: Jet2 orders 36 Airbus A321neo

Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:13 pm

Congrats to them and Airbus. Have to say A21N undoubtedly is the best narrow body plane in the market even tho I'm not a fan of A320 family.
 
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Re: Jet2 orders 36 Airbus A321neo

Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:16 pm

232 seats is quite an increase in capacity compared to the 737s. It will be interesting to see what timescale this covers
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Re: Jet2 orders 36 Airbus A321neo

Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:16 pm

fcogafa wrote:
232 seats is quite an increase in capacity compared to the 737s

Well they have (had) 757s and A330s leased from AirTanker so I bet they know what they're doing

Michael
 
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Re: Jet2 orders 36 Airbus A321neo

Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:17 pm

eamondzhang wrote:
Jet2 orders 36 Airbus A321neo as announced by Airbus. Belive this is the first new Airbus order the airline placed?

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... tomer.html

Michael


That is a bit of a surprise given their fleet has been predominantly 737 for some time. According to ATDB, Jet2 operates over 80 737s currently.

I look forward to seeing their A321s overhead on their way to various European holiday destinations.
 
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Re: Jet2 orders 36 Airbus A321neo

Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:19 pm

Now we know how the 757s will be replaced over time and what is very important, I see either some XLRs on order or there will be a follow up with XLRs because of the TATL offerings Jet2 had in the past.

If TATL capacity wouldnt have been a deciding factor, MAX-10 would have been an option, but it seems Jet2 wanted the option to add long range capacity and went with the 321.
 
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Re: Jet2 orders 36 Airbus A321neo

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eamondzhang wrote:
Jet2 orders 36 Airbus A321neo as announced by Airbus. Belive this is the first new Airbus order the airline placed?

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... tomer.html

Michael


Apparently plus 24 options, deliveries of the firm order from 2023 until 2028.
 
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Re: Jet2 orders 36 Airbus A321neo

Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:41 pm

scbriml wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
Jet2 orders 36 Airbus A321neo as announced by Airbus. Belive this is the first new Airbus order the airline placed?

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... tomer.html

Michael


That is a bit of a surprise given their fleet has been predominantly 737 for some time. According to ATDB, Jet2 operates over 80 737s currently.

I look forward to seeing their A321s overhead on their way to various European holiday destinations.


Not really a surprise, there were already reports this order was imminent: viewtopic.php?t=1463241

fcogafa wrote:
232 seats is quite an increase in capacity compared to the 737s. It will be interesting to see what timescale this covers

Yes, but it looks this is a replacement of their older 738s only. They'll keep the younger 738s for a little while longer it seems. Perhaps a follow up order will materialize when the leases on the remaining 738s expire. Jet2 might opt for 737MAX-8, although Airbus will definitely have the upper hand, it's announced this is an initial order for the A321neo at the moment.
 
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Re: Jet2 orders 36 Airbus A321neo

Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:53 pm

frigatebird wrote:
fcogafa wrote:
232 seats is quite an increase in capacity compared to the 737s. It will be interesting to see what timescale this covers

Yes, but it looks this is a replacement of their older 738s only. They'll keep the younger 738s for a little while longer it seems. Perhaps a follow up order will materialize when the leases on the remaining 738s expire. Jet2 might opt for 737MAX-8, although Airbus will definitely have the upper hand, it's announced this is an initial order for the A321neo at the moment.


interestingly 60x A321 with 232 seats offer 13.920 seats, and the 74x active B738 have 13.986....

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Re: Jet2 orders 36 Airbus A321neo

Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:12 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
frigatebird wrote:
fcogafa wrote:
232 seats is quite an increase in capacity compared to the 737s. It will be interesting to see what timescale this covers

Yes, but it looks this is a replacement of their older 738s only. They'll keep the younger 738s for a little while longer it seems. Perhaps a follow up order will materialize when the leases on the remaining 738s expire. Jet2 might opt for 737MAX-8, although Airbus will definitely have the upper hand, it's announced this is an initial order for the A321neo at the moment.


interestingly 60x A321 with 232 seats offer 13.920 seats, and the 74x active B738 have 13.986....

best regards
Thomas

I actually see it as partially replacement partially incremental growth. They had 4 different subtypes for a while so ending up with 2 types will already be more efficient.
The 321 can do the things the 757s did so far with lower ASM costs, especially if some will be xlr's. It can do anything the 737-800 does when there's more capacity needed.
The 800 is great when the capacitity of 232 seats is not needed. That's why UA, AA, DL ordered mainly A-321s from Airbus lately but hold on to their 737-800 and/or MAX-8s.
Most likely their fleet in 2030 looks something like 60 x 738 (maybe partially or due to replaced with MAX-8s) and 60 x A321 lr/xlr's.
 
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Re: Jet2 orders 36 Airbus A321neo

Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:15 pm

frigatebird wrote:
fcogafa wrote:
232 seats is quite an increase in capacity compared to the 737s. It will be interesting to see what timescale this covers

Yes, but it looks this is a replacement of their older 738s only. They'll keep the younger 738s for a little while longer it seems. Perhaps a follow up order will materialize when the leases on the remaining 738s expire. Jet2 might opt for 737MAX-8, although Airbus will definitely have the upper hand, it's announced this is an initial order for the A321neo at the moment.


This will allow them to replace the 757's which, as much as I love them, aren't getting any younger. Some of the 737-800's are of late-1990's/early-2000's vintage and there's still some 737-300's (albeit in storage), so this will also allow the Classics and the oldest -800's to go. I expect the newer -800's to stay along with the ones they got brand new from Boeing.

It would seem Jet2 have seen enough from operating G-HLYF (plus the others had they taken them up) combined with various seasonal leases of A320/321/330's over the years to be convinced that ordering the A321neo is the right move. I would also argue there's less risk in acquiring such a large fleet of large narrowbodies compared to a few years ago as they're not fighting for the same passengers as Monarch and Thomas Cook, so it's them and TUI plus easyJet and Ryanair. The only thing that slightly surprised me was they're going for the newest generation aircraft now, as historically they've always gone for second-hand aircraft and the order with Boeing was when the 737-800's were literally coming towards the end of the line. Then again, they must have decided it won't be easy finding suitable second-hand A321ceo's anytime soon, plus the deal was probably a good one for them.

I look forward to flying on a Jet2 A321neo in the near-future!
 
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Re: Jet2 orders 36 Airbus A321neo

Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:25 pm

Congratulations to Airbus and Jet2 on the new order. Will definitely see them replacing those older B733 and those 40 or so leased B738 before retiring their own -8MG frames. 36 A321 frames (+24 options) for 47 frames, another 35 B738NG to be replaced in future. The new airframes will definitely help Jety2 to get back on lesiure market once the borders reopens as the pandemic blows over. Second time is a charm after Jet2's initial A321 operation was largely abandoned.
 
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Re: Jet2 orders 36 Airbus A321neo

Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:32 pm

There's too much overlap between 32Xneo and MAX capability to justify both at a small carrier. If they were to have use for 150+ of each, fine. Yes, ~90 mainline narrowbody planes is a small carrier.

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