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Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:11 pm

Well looks like Air Wisconsin has a CRJ-900 on property registered to them N305AW former Lufthansa Cityline bird. Posted today on the Air Wisconsin Facebook page. Maybe the rumors aren’t rumors anymore.
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:30 pm

I'm a little surprised it took this long.
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:31 pm

interesting so they are planning to bid for larger aircraft contracts
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:33 pm

I don't see it on their Facebook page...
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:04 pm

Don’t they already have a -700 on property as well? Are they dumb enough to believe that AA is going to welcome them back into the fold, or that DL will give them another chance after they basically had a contract signed to fly -200s and they walked away from it at the 11th hour??
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:23 pm

FormerBHMRamper wrote:
Don’t they already have a -700 on property as well? Are they dumb enough to believe that AA is going to welcome them back into the fold, or that DL will give them another chance after they basically had a contract signed to fly -200s and they walked away from it at the 11th hour??

I think so, they at least had one
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:50 am

dstblj52 wrote:
FormerBHMRamper wrote:
Don’t they already have a -700 on property as well? Are they dumb enough to believe that AA is going to welcome them back into the fold, or that DL will give them another chance after they basically had a contract signed to fly -200s and they walked away from it at the 11th hour??

I think so, they at least had one



No. There was an Elite Airways CRJ-700 parked there for some time which created a lot of speculation. It is back flying with Elite.
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:31 am

This is the bird that was at Oshkosh on Boeing Plaza Monday during the United Presser.
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:39 am

dstblj52 wrote:
interesting so they are planning to bid for larger aircraft contracts


I mean, it's either that or die - there isn't a ton of demand for 50-seat lift.
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:45 am

JBo wrote:
dstblj52 wrote:
interesting so they are planning to bid for larger aircraft contracts


I mean, it's either that or die - there isn't a ton of demand for 50-seat lift.


It's a day late and a dollar short. They best be hitching their wagon to 50 seat freighters at this point.
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:21 am

Kinda sad actually to see what ZW has become. At their peak, they had all those 146-200/300s (as well as a large prop fleet) and had quite a strong, impressive network under UA.

Now theyre a CRJ200 airline (with seemingly little direction) getting all excited about a single -900. That's kinda like a Shorts 330 airline getting excited about their first Shorts 360.

Where did ZW go wrong? I don’t know the whole story there.
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:52 pm

F27500 wrote:
Kinda sad actually to see what ZW has become. At their peak, they had all those 146-200/300s (as well as a large prop fleet) and had quite a strong, impressive network under UA.

Now theyre a CRJ200 airline (with seemingly little direction) getting all excited about a single -900. That's kinda like a Shorts 330 airline getting excited about their first Shorts 360.

Where did ZW go wrong? I don’t know the whole story there.

unwilling to spend money they never wanted to finance new aircraft and their crj ops throw of a decent amount of cash
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:24 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
JBo wrote:
dstblj52 wrote:
interesting so they are planning to bid for larger aircraft contracts


I mean, it's either that or die - there isn't a ton of demand for 50-seat lift.


It's a day late and a dollar short. They best be hitching their wagon to 50 seat freighters at this point.


Yep. From the premier regional to flying dinosaur.
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:08 pm

The company is more of a private equity firm now… doubt they will be willing to shell out a few Billion for brand new Ejets… they put themselves into a corner… If it was me turn those 200’s into cargo and Corporate configs and start a fractional and Cargo airline…
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:14 pm

Great to hear that Lufthansa is getting rid of CRJs
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:23 pm

zkojq wrote:
Great to hear that Lufthansa is getting rid of CRJs


Kind of surprised it took them this long. They are awful planes .. especially to be associated with an airline of LH's caliber.
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:19 pm

Delta won’t/can’t touch them, so either UAL will get 900’s or they hope AA will pick them up again. Seems like way too little way too late to me; the writing was on the wall for their ancient 200’s 5+ years ago. Terrible managment to put them in this position.
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:53 pm

B6 regional ops for smaller airports. JetBlue Hop
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:59 pm

Flflyer83 wrote:
B6 regional ops for smaller airports. JetBlue Hop

No express carriers at all for B6 per the pilot contract.
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:59 pm

F27500 wrote:
zkojq wrote:
Great to hear that Lufthansa is getting rid of CRJs


Kind of surprised it took them this long. They are awful planes .. especially to be associated with an airline of LH's caliber.


The 700/900/1000s are perfectly fine, especially for short hops in Europe. It's the 200s that are awful.

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Delta won’t/can’t touch them, so either UAL will get 900’s or they hope AA will pick them up again. Seems like way too little way too late to me; the writing was on the wall for their ancient 200’s 5+ years ago. Terrible managment to put them in this position.


Isn't UA pretty much limited on scope with 70 and 76 seaters? I can't imagine they'd want to take in used CR9s at the expense of all those new E-jets.
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:42 am

F27500 wrote:
zkojq wrote:
Great to hear that Lufthansa is getting rid of CRJs


Kind of surprised it took them this long. They are awful planes .. especially to be associated with an airline of LH's caliber.


I remember when the CRJ was brand new. It was much better than the small turboprops it replaced. Maybe some people don't have anything to compare it and that's why they think it is bad. I'm not sure what you mean by Lufthansa's caliber. They're not different from the other majors. Their coach seats aren't any better or worse than the rest.
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:49 am

graceintheair wrote:
F27500 wrote:
zkojq wrote:
Great to hear that Lufthansa is getting rid of CRJs


Kind of surprised it took them this long. They are awful planes .. especially to be associated with an airline of LH's caliber.


I remember when the CRJ was brand new. It was much better than the small turboprops it replaced. Maybe some people don't have anything to compare it and that's why they think it is bad. I'm not sure what you mean by Lufthansa's caliber. They're not different from the other majors. Their coach seats aren't any better or worse than the rest.


This. Full stop.

I would much rather be flying on a CR2 than one of the crappy 19 seat turboprops that used to fly on those type of routes… people are just comparing them to the fancy jets with TVs mainline is flying around these days. Or as one passenger said when they got on a DL 717 I was on last year - “wait, are we on Delta, this does not have TVs?!?”
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:05 am

joeblow10 wrote:
Or as one passenger said when they got on a DL 717 I was on last year - “wait, are we on Delta, this does not have TVs?!?”

Back in 2007, we flew Delta from JFK to ANC with a stop in SLC. Both flights were operated by the Boeing 757-200. When we boarded the second flight, my mom asked why this plane didn't have TVs. Although both flights were Delta flights, the first one was a Song 757. Our return flight from SEA to JFK was also on a Song 757.
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:08 am

Flflyer83 wrote:
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I always thought it would be “Baby Blue” lol
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:34 am

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Flflyer83 wrote:
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I always thought it would be “Baby Blue” lol

neither are allowed so name it whatever you want lol
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:49 am

intotheair wrote:
Isn't UA pretty much limited on scope with 70 and 76 seaters? I can't imagine they'd want to take in used CR9s at the expense of all those new E-jets.



Correct. We are completely scoped out on large RJs. The only way the company can add more is if we relax scope (NOT going to happen) or management buys a new small narrowbody. A new small narrowbody is narrowly defined in our UPA as an Embraer E2 (I can’t recall if it specifies the -190 or -195 E2) or the A221. So far the company says they have no plans to order said aircraft, so no large RJs will be forthcoming.
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:21 am

Not a CRJ mechanic or driver so if this is a dumb question, don't judge me, but how much commonality is there between the 200 and 900? Could this just be a parts bird? Or maybe a branded operation starting again for good old ZW? Their corporate HQ is very hush-hush so you won't hear anything publicly until it's probably flying. Especially after the DL debacle. Either way, I wouldn't put too much into it until it's coming down the ramp. Just my two cents.
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:03 am

9lflyguy wrote:
Not a CRJ mechanic or driver so if this is a dumb question, don't judge me, but how much commonality is there between the 200 and 900? Could this just be a parts bird? Or maybe a branded operation starting again for good old ZW? Their corporate HQ is very hush-hush so you won't hear anything publicly until it's probably flying. Especially after the DL debacle. Either way, I wouldn't put too much into it until it's coming down the ramp. Just my two cents.

What is the DL debacle everyone keeps referring to?
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:45 am

kabq737 wrote:
9lflyguy wrote:
Not a CRJ mechanic or driver so if this is a dumb question, don't judge me, but how much commonality is there between the 200 and 900? Could this just be a parts bird? Or maybe a branded operation starting again for good old ZW? Their corporate HQ is very hush-hush so you won't hear anything publicly until it's probably flying. Especially after the DL debacle. Either way, I wouldn't put too much into it until it's coming down the ramp. Just my two cents.

What is the DL debacle everyone keeps referring to?

airwisconsin nearly got the endeavor crj flying circa 2012-2013 but something happend between them that resulted in one party walking away, and the deal falling through
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:47 am

F27500 wrote:
zkojq wrote:
Great to hear that Lufthansa is getting rid of CRJs


Kind of surprised it took them this long. They are awful planes .. especially to be associated with an airline of LH's caliber.


Indeed. Good airlines shouldn't be using such aircraft. At least SAS's CRJs are the NG version.

Lufthansa CityLine was the launch customer for the CRJ-100 way back in the early 90s.
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:22 pm

9lflyguy wrote:
Not a CRJ mechanic or driver so if this is a dumb question, don't judge me, but how much commonality is there between the 200 and 900? Could this just be a parts bird? Or maybe a branded operation starting again for good old ZW? Their corporate HQ is very hush-hush so you won't hear anything publicly until it's probably flying. Especially after the DL debacle. Either way, I wouldn't put too much into it until it's coming down the ramp. Just my two cents.


There is some parts commonality, but it’s pretty limited. As far as I know, the only things the 700/900/1000 truly shares with the 200 are the cockpit and the basic fuselage design. Everything else, while similar or derived from the 200 design, is unique to those aircraft. There might be a handful of systems or structures that are similar enough to share at least some parts (e.g. avionics), but a 900 would not usually be considered a very good parts aircraft for a 200, especially for the kinds of parts that operators are looking for most often.
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:45 pm

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Don’t they already have a -700 on property as well? Are they dumb enough to believe that AA is going to welcome them back into the fold, or that DL will give them another chance after they basically had a contract signed to fly -200s and they walked away from it at the 11th hour??


Never say never. DL likes to play the whipsaw game. A second -900 operator gives them leverage to keep regional flying costs "under control". With someplace to move the planes to, it keeps their wholly owned focused on costs. DL doesn't want to see 9E become another Comair.
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:05 pm

I don't understand the posts here that talk about Air Wisconsin's "unwillingness to invest capital in larger RJs". In the case of many regional carriers, a major like DL buys and owns the aircraft (i.e. makes the capital investment) and hires the carriers to operate said aircraft on something other than a traditional CMI agreement. That's a bit of a change in the model from the 1980s. The carrier may have been unwilling to operate the larger CRJs at the price the majors were willing to pay, but it's hard to see that capital investment in airframes was the issue.
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:18 pm

wjcandee wrote:
I don't understand the posts here that talk about Air Wisconsin's "unwillingness to invest capital in larger RJs". In the case of many regional carriers, a major like DL buys and owns the aircraft (i.e. makes the capital investment) and hires the carriers to operate said aircraft on something other than a traditional CMI agreement. That's a bit of a change in the model from the 1980s. The carrier may have been unwilling to operate the larger CRJs at the price the majors were willing to pay, but it's hard to see that capital investment in airframes was the issue.


This is not always the case, maybe more the exception. SkyWest, Republic, and Mesa all operate fleets that are largely if not entirely owned by the regional. It’s sometimes more enticing for a major to sign a CPA with a regional if the regional uses their own equipment, rather than the major shelling out the money for new planes.
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:56 pm

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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:12 pm

Flflyer83 wrote:
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Good one. I think it would look stellar presented just like the Air France operation, "HOP! by jetBlue"

It wouldn't even make me spit out my coffee if it had been in the TA... which is still in arbitration anyways... :stirthepot:
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:28 pm

ChrisPBacon wrote:
FormerBHMRamper wrote:
Don’t they already have a -700 on property as well? Are they dumb enough to believe that AA is going to welcome them back into the fold, or that DL will give them another chance after they basically had a contract signed to fly -200s and they walked away from it at the 11th hour??


Never say never. DL likes to play the whipsaw game. A second -900 operator gives them leverage to keep regional flying costs "under control". With someplace to move the planes to, it keeps their wholly owned focused on costs. DL doesn't want to see 9E become another Comair.


A second 900 carrier? You mean 3rd… after they’ve dumped 2 other 900 carriers in the last 3 years. Not to mention Delta is scoped out, where do you propose the jets come from?
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:18 pm

MLIAA wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
I don't understand the posts here that talk about Air Wisconsin's "unwillingness to invest capital in larger RJs". In the case of many regional carriers, a major like DL buys and owns the aircraft (i.e. makes the capital investment) and hires the carriers to operate said aircraft on something other than a traditional CMI agreement. That's a bit of a change in the model from the 1980s. The carrier may have been unwilling to operate the larger CRJs at the price the majors were willing to pay, but it's hard to see that capital investment in airframes was the issue.


This is not always the case, maybe more the exception. SkyWest, Republic, and Mesa all operate fleets that are largely if not entirely owned by the regional. It’s sometimes more enticing for a major to sign a CPA with a regional if the regional uses their own equipment, rather than the major shelling out the money for new planes.


Are you forgetting the 70 E175’s that UA owns and leases back to Mesa? All of UA Mesa E175 flying is on United owned equipment.
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:27 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
MLIAA wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
I don't understand the posts here that talk about Air Wisconsin's "unwillingness to invest capital in larger RJs". In the case of many regional carriers, a major like DL buys and owns the aircraft (i.e. makes the capital investment) and hires the carriers to operate said aircraft on something other than a traditional CMI agreement. That's a bit of a change in the model from the 1980s. The carrier may have been unwilling to operate the larger CRJs at the price the majors were willing to pay, but it's hard to see that capital investment in airframes was the issue.


This is not always the case, maybe more the exception. SkyWest, Republic, and Mesa all operate fleets that are largely if not entirely owned by the regional. It’s sometimes more enticing for a major to sign a CPA with a regional if the regional uses their own equipment, rather than the major shelling out the money for new planes.


Are you forgetting the 70 E175’s that UA owns and leases back to Mesa? All of UA Mesa E175 flying is on United owned equipment.


Yes I did forget those, you’re correct on that front. But they own almost all of their AA -900s, so my point remains.

As others have said, there is no scope room anywhere for ZW CRJ-900s to come into play.
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:30 pm

MLIAA wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:
MLIAA wrote:

This is not always the case, maybe more the exception. SkyWest, Republic, and Mesa all operate fleets that are largely if not entirely owned by the regional. It’s sometimes more enticing for a major to sign a CPA with a regional if the regional uses their own equipment, rather than the major shelling out the money for new planes.


Are you forgetting the 70 E175’s that UA owns and leases back to Mesa? All of UA Mesa E175 flying is on United owned equipment.


Yes I did forget those, you’re correct on that front. But they own almost all of their AA -900s, so my point remains.

As others have said, there is no scope room anywhere for ZW CRJ-900s to come into play.



Not really - they operate a total of 164 airplanes. The United side is nearly 50% of those so it’s not really a true statement to say Mesa owns “largely, if not entirely” their fleet.
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:45 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
MLIAA wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:

Are you forgetting the 70 E175’s that UA owns and leases back to Mesa? All of UA Mesa E175 flying is on United owned equipment.


Yes I did forget those, you’re correct on that front. But they own almost all of their AA -900s, so my point remains.

As others have said, there is no scope room anywhere for ZW CRJ-900s to come into play.



Not really - they operate a total of 164 airplanes. The United side is nearly 50% of those so it’s not really a true statement to say Mesa owns “largely, if not entirely” their fleet.


I’m focused on the CPA regionals in general, not Mesa.

SkyWest operates 492 airplanes. They own all of them except a few of their -900s.

Republic operates 221 airplanes. They own all of them except a few DL 175s. (Correct me if I’m wrong)

Air Wisconsin currently owns all of its -200s.

Do you really think United is going to invest in these older -900s for Air Wisconsin? Do you think United is going to buy E175s for Air Wisconsin? Do you think Air Wisconsin is going to buy enough -900s or 175s to pull flying away from a bigger regional?

I dont.
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:21 pm

ChrisPBacon wrote:
FormerBHMRamper wrote:
Don’t they already have a -700 on property as well? Are they dumb enough to believe that AA is going to welcome them back into the fold, or that DL will give them another chance after they basically had a contract signed to fly -200s and they walked away from it at the 11th hour??


Never say never. DL likes to play the whipsaw game. A second -900 operator gives them leverage to keep regional flying costs "under control". With someplace to move the planes to, it keeps their wholly owned focused on costs. DL doesn't want to see 9E become another Comair.

skywest could easily add 900's to their certificate they already have 200's and 700's so if delta approached they would almost certainly be interested
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:39 pm

dstblj52 wrote:
ChrisPBacon wrote:
FormerBHMRamper wrote:
Don’t they already have a -700 on property as well? Are they dumb enough to believe that AA is going to welcome them back into the fold, or that DL will give them another chance after they basically had a contract signed to fly -200s and they walked away from it at the 11th hour??


Never say never. DL likes to play the whipsaw game. A second -900 operator gives them leverage to keep regional flying costs "under control". With someplace to move the planes to, it keeps their wholly owned focused on costs. DL doesn't want to see 9E become another Comair.

skywest could easily add 900's to their certificate they already have 200's and 700's so if delta approached they would almost certainly be interested


Skywest already operates 40 CR9's for Delta. Can we stop saying totally factually incorrect stuff here? Or are we just making shit up for the sake of stirring shit up.
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

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FlyingElvii wrote:
This is the bird that was at Oshkosh on Boeing Plaza Monday during the United Presser.


No the CRJ900 that this thread is about is not the plane that was on display Monday at Oshkosh. It was a CRJ 200 that Air Wisconsin had there. Tail number was N419AW.
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:15 am

MLIAA wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:
MLIAA wrote:

Yes I did forget those, you’re correct on that front. But they own almost all of their AA -900s, so my point remains.

As others have said, there is no scope room anywhere for ZW CRJ-900s to come into play.



Not really - they operate a total of 164 airplanes. The United side is nearly 50% of those so it’s not really a true statement to say Mesa owns “largely, if not entirely” their fleet.


I’m focused on the CPA regionals in general, not Mesa.

SkyWest operates 492 airplanes. They own all of them except a few of their -900s.

Republic operates 221 airplanes. They own all of them except a few DL 175s. (Correct me if I’m wrong)

Air Wisconsin currently owns all of its -200s.

Do you really think United is going to invest in these older -900s for Air Wisconsin? Do you think United is going to buy E175s for Air Wisconsin? Do you think Air Wisconsin is going to buy enough -900s or 175s to pull flying away from a bigger regional?

I dont.


Dude. You are the one who specifically mentioned Mesa in your example. Now you are saying you weren’t even talking about Mess. I was correcting you. Of course United is not likely to bring on 900’s.
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:18 am

jetmatt777 wrote:
MLIAA wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:


Not really - they operate a total of 164 airplanes. The United side is nearly 50% of those so it’s not really a true statement to say Mesa owns “largely, if not entirely” their fleet.


I’m focused on the CPA regionals in general, not Mesa.

SkyWest operates 492 airplanes. They own all of them except a few of their -900s.

Republic operates 221 airplanes. They own all of them except a few DL 175s. (Correct me if I’m wrong)

Air Wisconsin currently owns all of its -200s.

Do you really think United is going to invest in these older -900s for Air Wisconsin? Do you think United is going to buy E175s for Air Wisconsin? Do you think Air Wisconsin is going to buy enough -900s or 175s to pull flying away from a bigger regional?

I dont.


Dude. You are the one who specifically mentioned Mesa in your example. Now you are saying you weren’t even talking about Mess. I was correcting you. Of course United is not likely to bring on 900’s.


I’m not talking about Mesa, I’m talking about Air Wisconsin. I acknowledged your corrections and I appreciate them, but my point had nothing to do with Mesa.
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:15 am

N766UA wrote:
Delta won’t/can’t touch them, so either UAL will get 900’s or they hope AA will pick them up again. Seems like way too little way too late to me; the writing was on the wall for their ancient 200’s 5+ years ago. Terrible managment to put them in this position.


AA wont touch them as long as Doug is in charge. He couldn't wait to get rid of them once that contract was up and said several times that if he could have he would have gotten out of the contract sooner. Besides it looks as if AA is going with Piedmont, PSA, Envoy, SkyWest, Republic and Mesa as their regional carriers for now so there is no room. Only chance they have to get back with AA is if Doug leaves, Mesa gets dropped, and they do it real cheap. I can guarantee this that if by some strange reason they find themselves back flying for AA they won't have the same contract they had before. Its going to be the AA way or nothing.
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:30 am

I never understood why AWAC didn't buy Avros from Mesaba when the BACs aged out.
In the early 00s it seems that they were more interested in ground handling for United above and below the wing than flying planes.
Of course the whipsaw, and union negotiations, bested them. Sad.... During my short time there I learned a lot about the nuts and bolts of the industry and work some fantastic people.
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:35 pm

I am willing to consider that the owners of Air Wisconsin correctly identified that the same forces that reduced 50 seat regional flying would impact larger regional aircraft too - as evidenced by United’s recent fleet decisions which preclude additional large aircraft.

Perhaps Air Wisconsin can make the most money for its owners not by spending money on aircraft that can’t earn back their money, but rather by banking the cash they’re earning now and shutting down or transitioning to small cargo once their current contract expires.
 
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Re: Air Wisconsin CRJ-900 N305AW

Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:23 am

VictorKilo wrote:
I am willing to consider that the owners of Air Wisconsin correctly identified that the same forces that reduced 50 seat regional flying would impact larger regional aircraft too - as evidenced by United’s recent fleet decisions which preclude additional large aircraft.

Perhaps Air Wisconsin can make the most money for its owners not by spending money on aircraft that can’t earn back their money, but rather by banking the cash they’re earning now and shutting down or transitioning to small cargo once their current contract expires.


Air Wisconsin is gonna be just fine. What they have works for them just fine. Would love to see them grow again. I'm sure someone somewhere at Air Wisconsin is definitely looking at options for the fleet soon. Hopefully they can get more business and expand again. They really are a great company.
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