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AA's Parker interview with NYT - 37 minutes + transcript

Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:54 pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/opin ... anscript=1

He's a little defensive on the matter of airline/shareholder bailouts by grants.

Interesting few paragraphs on getting to net zero CO2 emissions by 2050.
 
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Re: AA's Parker interview with NYT - 37 minutes + transcript

Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:38 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/opinion/sway-kara-swisher-doug-parker.html?showTranscript=1

He's a little defensive on the matter of airline/shareholder bailouts by grants.

Interesting few paragraphs on getting to net zero CO2 emissions by 2050.


Well exactly and people here tried to brosplain to me that that’s not what it was. A shareholder top up is exactly what it was.
 
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Re: AA's Parker interview with NYT - 37 minutes + transcript

Fri Aug 06, 2021 3:26 am

LCDFlight wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/opinion/sway-kara-swisher-doug-parker.html?showTranscript=1

He's a little defensive on the matter of airline/shareholder bailouts by grants.

Interesting few paragraphs on getting to net zero CO2 emissions by 2050.


Well exactly and people here tried to brosplain to me that that’s not what it was. A shareholder top up is exactly what it was.


It's no secret that the CARES money benefitted much more than the rank and file. Corporate welfare.
 
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Re: AA's Parker interview with NYT - 37 minutes + transcript

Fri Aug 06, 2021 4:10 am

It would be incredibly bad for business right now for Doug Parker to require AA employees to get vaccinated. With a red state DFW HQ, major PHX offices in a purple state, and a pilot group with a large military and conservative contingent, there would likely be a mass exodus of workers. Last thing Parker wants now is to lose any percentage of his work force. AA has an older workforce in many important departments that are close to or above retirement age. AA also has a lot of ground workers that arent paid so well. Threats of job loss mean less to those than at a company with younger age demographics and people trying to climb the corporate ladder. Many would just retire or leave. Airlines have huge amounts of people that spend 30-40 years in the same job.

Also need to consider the cost of training replacements of skilled jobs like pilots and mechanics. AA is also concerned with labor relations. Unions will defend their unvaccinated employees. That is something AA doesnt want right now. Even more unhappy workers and unions.

If staffing was not an issue, unions didnt put up fights and skilled workers were cheap to hire and train, I believe he would require vaccines.
 
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Re: AA's Parker interview with NYT - 37 minutes + transcript

Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:53 pm

MSJYOP28Apilot wrote:
It would be incredibly bad for business right now for Doug Parker to require AA employees to get vaccinated. With a red state DFW HQ, major PHX offices in a purple state, and a pilot group with a large military and conservative contingent, there would likely be a mass exodus of workers. Last thing Parker wants now is to lose any percentage of his work force. AA has an older workforce in many important departments that are close to or above retirement age. AA also has a lot of ground workers that arent paid so well. Threats of job loss mean less to those than at a company with younger age demographics and people trying to climb the corporate ladder. Many would just retire or leave. Airlines have huge amounts of people that spend 30-40 years in the same job.

Also need to consider the cost of training replacements of skilled jobs like pilots and mechanics. AA is also concerned with labor relations. Unions will defend their unvaccinated employees. That is something AA doesnt want right now. Even more unhappy workers and unions.

If staffing was not an issue, unions didnt put up fights and skilled workers were cheap to hire and train, I believe he would require vaccines.


I don't disagree with any of your observations, but I say this: Insanity, the name is anti-vaxx. How many stories have we read in which someone on their deathbed recants? "No one can tell me what to do, even if it is in my best interests!" Ten years ago an mRNA vaccine would not even have been possible. It boggles the mind.
 
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Re: AA's Parker interview with NYT - 37 minutes + transcript

Fri Aug 06, 2021 1:25 pm

MSJYOP28Apilot wrote:
It would be incredibly bad for business right now for Doug Parker to require AA employees to get vaccinated. With a red state DFW HQ, major PHX offices in a purple state, and a pilot group with a large military and conservative contingent, there would likely be a mass exodus of workers. Last thing Parker wants now is to lose any percentage of his work force. AA has an older workforce in many important departments that are close to or above retirement age. AA also has a lot of ground workers that arent paid so well. Threats of job loss mean less to those than at a company with younger age demographics and people trying to climb the corporate ladder. Many would just retire or leave. Airlines have huge amounts of people that spend 30-40 years in the same job.

Also need to consider the cost of training replacements of skilled jobs like pilots and mechanics. AA is also concerned with labor relations. Unions will defend their unvaccinated employees. That is something AA doesnt want right now. Even more unhappy workers and unions.

If staffing was not an issue, unions didnt put up fights and skilled workers were cheap to hire and train, I believe he would require vaccines.


Flip side...let those older workers and their higher pay walk away. A 20+ year mechanic is not leaving over a shot. Too much to give up benefits & pay wise. The military doesn't nearly what they used to for airline jobs so you're way overstating that. United just required it...get on the vax train or find your own ride home.
 
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Re: AA's Parker interview with NYT - 37 minutes + transcript

Fri Aug 06, 2021 2:34 pm

TWFlyGuy wrote:
Flip side...let those older workers and their higher pay walk away. A 20+ year mechanic is not leaving over a shot. Too much to give up benefits & pay wise. The military doesn't nearly what they used to for airline jobs so you're way overstating that. United just required it...get on the vax train or find your own ride home.

Indeed, and the idea that a senior widebody pilot would give up decades of seniority and start over somewhere else on the bottom rung over the vaccine is laughable. Sure, some are dumb enough to be that committed to a political narrative, but most aren't. Remember, talk is cheap.
 
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Re: AA's Parker interview with NYT - 37 minutes + transcript

Fri Aug 06, 2021 3:15 pm

I listened to this one yesterday.

Does anyone get the sense he agreed to the interview, and then sat down for it and only about 3/4 of the way through, realized he was being interviewed by Kara Swisher? Lol.

I thought she asked some great and difficult questions on his compensation, bailouts and whether the taxpayers should see some return, etc. It was a great piece.
 
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Re: AA's Parker interview with NYT - 37 minutes + transcript

Fri Aug 06, 2021 3:32 pm

bluecrew wrote:
I listened to this one yesterday.

Does anyone get the sense he agreed to the interview, and then sat down for it and only about 3/4 of the way through, realized he was being interviewed by Kara Swisher? Lol.

I thought she asked some great and difficult questions on his compensation, bailouts and whether the taxpayers should see some return, etc. It was a great piece.


I felt like you could tell he and Kara like each other. Doug certainly didn't shy away from any questions. The questions were fair and the answers were honest.

I really liked Doug's observation about how anything that makes the world feel smaller makes air travel more in demand. What a fascinating quote. The zoom generation will fuel this.
 
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Re: AA's Parker interview with NYT - 37 minutes + transcript

Fri Aug 06, 2021 3:38 pm

Revelation wrote:
TWFlyGuy wrote:
Flip side...let those older workers and their higher pay walk away. A 20+ year mechanic is not leaving over a shot. Too much to give up benefits & pay wise. The military doesn't nearly what they used to for airline jobs so you're way overstating that. United just required it...get on the vax train or find your own ride home.

Indeed, and the idea that a senior widebody pilot would give up decades of seniority and start over somewhere else on the bottom rung over the vaccine is laughable. Sure, some are dumb enough to be that committed to a political narrative, but most aren't. Remember, talk is cheap.


They will retire, absolutely.

Most of them already have a six figure military pension and a seven figure retirement from AA. They barely show up as is, over a hundred retire every year in the middle of recurrent training alone just because they don't want to take another check ride.

AA is already hammered on training capacity, look at the cancellations for lack of pilots.
 
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Re: AA's Parker interview with NYT - 37 minutes + transcript

Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:54 pm

MSJYOP28Apilot wrote:
It would be incredibly bad for business right now for Doug Parker to require AA employees to get vaccinated. With a red state DFW HQ, major PHX offices in a purple state, and a pilot group with a large military and conservative contingent, there would likely be a mass exodus of workers. Last thing Parker wants now is to lose any percentage of his work force. AA has an older workforce in many important departments that are close to or above retirement age. AA also has a lot of ground workers that arent paid so well. Threats of job loss mean less to those than at a company with younger age demographics and people trying to climb the corporate ladder. Many would just retire or leave. Airlines have huge amounts of people that spend 30-40 years in the same job.

Also need to consider the cost of training replacements of skilled jobs like pilots and mechanics. AA is also concerned with labor relations. Unions will defend their unvaccinated employees. That is something AA doesnt want right now. Even more unhappy workers and unions.

If staffing was not an issue, unions didnt put up fights and skilled workers were cheap to hire and train, I believe he would require vaccines.


Classic example of an argument based upon logical fallacies. First off, much of the competition may soon require vaccinations, so it's not as if there's a large group of alternative employers to pick from. Secondly, airlines (both union and non-union) largely use a seniority system -- the longer you've worked for the company, the more generous your compensation and benefits are, and the more favorable your schedule will be. There simply aren't a lot of veteran employees who will leave their job to accept a steep pay cut for an executive airline, or work an undesirable schedule with a freighter, or give up company-paid weekend layovers in Las Vegas or Rome. Yes they'll complain, but most will get the vaccine and few will leave. Not to mention, AA's high seniority work force with the cushy jobs flying long-haul -- the types characterized as likely to retire in masses within this thread -- will need to vaccine unless they want to dumb down to flying within the AA domestic system, as most other countries are / will be requiring proof of vaccination.

BTW - It's probable that most employers will soon require vaccinations. COVID-related expenses drive up the cost of health care, which raises the premiums charged to employers. Under ACA, it's debatable whether insurers/the employee can charge higher co-premiums to the unvaccinated.
 
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Re: AA's Parker interview with NYT - 37 minutes + transcript

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