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Jungleneer
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Skywest orders 16 more E175

Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:53 pm

More E175 orders for Skywest. Will be flown for Delta.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 51544.html
 
SEU
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Tue Aug 10, 2021 12:11 am

Goes to show how there isnt any other option for them right now
 
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Tue Aug 10, 2021 12:55 am

Keep the production line filled
 
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Tue Aug 10, 2021 1:22 am

They’re replacing an equal number of CRJ-900.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Tue Aug 10, 2021 1:42 am

What is effective operational life of the stretched CRJ's?
 
amcnd
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Tue Aug 10, 2021 1:54 am

Ive heard the CRJ900 is a 20-25 year aircraft. The ERJ is a 35 year + aircraft…
 
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Tue Aug 10, 2021 1:54 am

MohawkWeekend wrote:
What is effective operational life of the stretched CRJ's?

I have heard the smaller CRJs have a shorter life expectancy with a design issue involving the wing but the CR7/9 have the ability to operate well into their twenties.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:26 am

The more 175s and fewer CRJs, the better!
 
VictorKilo
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:55 am

Here is the SkyWest press release:

https://files-skywest-com.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/public/Uploads/SkyWestAnnouncesFlyingAgreementwithDeltafor16NewE175s.pdf?ver=1628539354

SkyWest expects the 16 new E175 aircraft will replace 16 SkyWest-owned or financed CRJ900s currently under its Delta contract, with expirations ranging from the second half of 2022 to early 2023. SkyWest is evaluating the impact of the anticipated displacement of the CRJ900s, including a potential non-cash impairment charge.


So why are they making this deal? Did Delta want the E75 in place of the CR9, or are these older CR9 getting replaced? Or are these CR9 going to replace flying flown by other carriers at UA, AA, or someone else? Or does this have anything to do with a potential E75 certification by OO at ASE?
 
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:34 am

VictorKilo wrote:
Here is the SkyWest press release:

https://files-skywest-com.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/public/Uploads/SkyWestAnnouncesFlyingAgreementwithDeltafor16NewE175s.pdf?ver=1628539354

SkyWest expects the 16 new E175 aircraft will replace 16 SkyWest-owned or financed CRJ900s currently under its Delta contract, with expirations ranging from the second half of 2022 to early 2023. SkyWest is evaluating the impact of the anticipated displacement of the CRJ900s, including a potential non-cash impairment charge.


So why are they making this deal? Did Delta want the E75 in place of the CR9, or are these older CR9 getting replaced? Or are these CR9 going to replace flying flown by other carriers at UA, AA, or someone else? Or does this have anything to do with a potential E75 certification by OO at ASE?

As of today, the 175 is the ONLY SCOPE viable replacement for the 700/900's. And it will be that way for the foreseeable future, as there is nothing else being developed in the West.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:17 am

VictorKilo wrote:
Here is the SkyWest press release:

https://files-skywest-com.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/public/Uploads/SkyWestAnnouncesFlyingAgreementwithDeltafor16NewE175s.pdf?ver=1628539354

SkyWest expects the 16 new E175 aircraft will replace 16 SkyWest-owned or financed CRJ900s currently under its Delta contract, with expirations ranging from the second half of 2022 to early 2023. SkyWest is evaluating the impact of the anticipated displacement of the CRJ900s, including a potential non-cash impairment charge.


So why are they making this deal? Did Delta want the E75 in place of the CR9, or are these older CR9 getting replaced? Or are these CR9 going to replace flying flown by other carriers at UA, AA, or someone else? Or does this have anything to do with a potential E75 certification by OO at ASE?


OO likely won't make an official announcement on what is happening with the CR9s until Q4 at the earliest based on the current delivery date of the E175s, that being said the official negotiations between OO and AA are likely already occurring. UA isn't going to replace E175s with 900s versus AA can use them to replace Mesa (or if they really want to, fly them as 65 seaters for premium markets).
 
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:15 am

alasizon wrote:
VictorKilo wrote:
Here is the SkyWest press release:

https://files-skywest-com.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/public/Uploads/SkyWestAnnouncesFlyingAgreementwithDeltafor16NewE175s.pdf?ver=1628539354

SkyWest expects the 16 new E175 aircraft will replace 16 SkyWest-owned or financed CRJ900s currently under its Delta contract, with expirations ranging from the second half of 2022 to early 2023. SkyWest is evaluating the impact of the anticipated displacement of the CRJ900s, including a potential non-cash impairment charge.


So why are they making this deal? Did Delta want the E75 in place of the CR9, or are these older CR9 getting replaced? Or are these CR9 going to replace flying flown by other carriers at UA, AA, or someone else? Or does this have anything to do with a potential E75 certification by OO at ASE?


OO likely won't make an official announcement on what is happening with the CR9s until Q4 at the earliest based on the current delivery date of the E175s, that being said the official negotiations between OO and AA are likely already occurring. UA isn't going to replace E175s with 900s versus AA can use them to replace Mesa (or if they really want to, fly them as 65 seaters for premium markets).


Or Skywest has someone signed up to lease the planes. They wouldn't be the first 900s OO has leased out to another carrier.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:40 am

FlyingElvii wrote:
VictorKilo wrote:
Here is the SkyWest press release:

https://files-skywest-com.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/public/Uploads/SkyWestAnnouncesFlyingAgreementwithDeltafor16NewE175s.pdf?ver=1628539354

SkyWest expects the 16 new E175 aircraft will replace 16 SkyWest-owned or financed CRJ900s currently under its Delta contract, with expirations ranging from the second half of 2022 to early 2023. SkyWest is evaluating the impact of the anticipated displacement of the CRJ900s, including a potential non-cash impairment charge.


So why are they making this deal? Did Delta want the E75 in place of the CR9, or are these older CR9 getting replaced? Or are these CR9 going to replace flying flown by other carriers at UA, AA, or someone else? Or does this have anything to do with a potential E75 certification by OO at ASE?

As of today, the 175 is the ONLY SCOPE viable replacement for the 700/900's. And it will be that way for the foreseeable future, as there is nothing else being developed in the West.


But that’s assuming DL wanted to “replace” CR9s - there has been no indication DL wants to replace. Therefore, as the previous poster asked, why this deal? The oldest is only 15 years old now. Was this a DL-driven move or Skywest?
 
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:54 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
alasizon wrote:
VictorKilo wrote:
Here is the SkyWest press release:

https://files-skywest-com.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/public/Uploads/SkyWestAnnouncesFlyingAgreementwithDeltafor16NewE175s.pdf?ver=1628539354



So why are they making this deal? Did Delta want the E75 in place of the CR9, or are these older CR9 getting replaced? Or are these CR9 going to replace flying flown by other carriers at UA, AA, or someone else? Or does this have anything to do with a potential E75 certification by OO at ASE?


OO likely won't make an official announcement on what is happening with the CR9s until Q4 at the earliest based on the current delivery date of the E175s, that being said the official negotiations between OO and AA are likely already occurring. UA isn't going to replace E175s with 900s versus AA can use them to replace Mesa (or if they really want to, fly them as 65 seaters for premium markets).


Or Skywest has someone signed up to lease the planes. They wouldn't be the first 900s OO has leased out to another carrier.


I don’t know that anyone is in the market for CR9s currently and there are a handful available from actual lessors that are available now and not a year from now. I don't see this being a leasing play, I see this being DL driven to increase product competitiveness out West and OO will take the opportunity to solicit AA as a suitor. With PHX, CR9s are a must in the fleet until the next generation of RJs comes around as the E175 can't do the midday runs in the PHX heat with a full load.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:01 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
VictorKilo wrote:
Here is the SkyWest press release:

https://files-skywest-com.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/public/Uploads/SkyWestAnnouncesFlyingAgreementwithDeltafor16NewE175s.pdf?ver=1628539354



So why are they making this deal? Did Delta want the E75 in place of the CR9, or are these older CR9 getting replaced? Or are these CR9 going to replace flying flown by other carriers at UA, AA, or someone else? Or does this have anything to do with a potential E75 certification by OO at ASE?

As of today, the 175 is the ONLY SCOPE viable replacement for the 700/900's. And it will be that way for the foreseeable future, as there is nothing else being developed in the West.


But that’s assuming DL wanted to “replace” CR9s - there has been no indication DL wants to replace. Therefore, as the previous poster asked, why this deal? The oldest is only 15 years old now. Was this a DL-driven move or Skywest?



I think it’s just to update the experience. OO currently has, I think, 16 CRJ900 that we’re built before the switchover to NextGen around the beginning of 2008. Those AC have smaller bins and different lighting in the cabin. My guess is that these will be fully removed from the DC system but might find a home with AE in the future. The vast majority of 9E 900s have the NextGen treatment as well so it makes sense to get ride of the older, uglier AC. These are the oldest 900s, representing all of the pre-2008 build:

679CA
689
692
693
800SK
802
803
804
805
806
809
813
816
817
820
821

I’m unsure about the 3 N5##CA and N822SK and whether they have the interior treatment but given their build dates I assume they have it.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:17 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
But that’s assuming DL wanted to “replace” CR9s - there has been no indication DL wants to replace. Therefore, as the previous poster asked, why this deal? The oldest is only 15 years old now. Was this a DL-driven move or Skywest?


Any indications those sixteen CR9s will be going to Endeavor?
 
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:30 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
But that’s assuming DL wanted to “replace” CR9s - there has been no indication DL wants to replace. Therefore, as the previous poster asked, why this deal? The oldest is only 15 years old now. Was this a DL-driven move or Skywest?


Any indications those sixteen CR9s will be going to Endeavor?


The planes are owned by SkyWeet, so DL would have to purchase them. Aren’t they tapped out on their large regional jets? This order is strange… maybe DL is going to reduce the seat count to 70 and replace some aging CR7?
 
challeygat300
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:39 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
But that’s assuming DL wanted to “replace” CR9s - there has been no indication DL wants to replace. Therefore, as the previous poster asked, why this deal? The oldest is only 15 years old now. Was this a DL-driven move or Skywest?


Any indications those sixteen CR9s will be going to Endeavor?


Doubtful. I think it’s more likely that they will be repurposed for AE
 
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:42 pm

WidebodyPTV wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
But that’s assuming DL wanted to “replace” CR9s - there has been no indication DL wants to replace. Therefore, as the previous poster asked, why this deal? The oldest is only 15 years old now. Was this a DL-driven move or Skywest?


Any indications those sixteen CR9s will be going to Endeavor?


The planes are owned by SkyWeet, so DL would have to purchase them. Aren’t they tapped out on their large regional jets? This order is strange… maybe DL is going to reduce the seat count to 70 and replace some aging CR7?


SkyWest would likely lease to DL/9E rather than sell.

The order makes sense as OO has exactly 16 900 that were built before the early 2008 switch to NextGen.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:02 pm

challeygat300 wrote:
WidebodyPTV wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

Any indications those sixteen CR9s will be going to Endeavor?


The planes are owned by SkyWeet, so DL would have to purchase them. Aren’t they tapped out on their large regional jets? This order is strange… maybe DL is going to reduce the seat count to 70 and replace some aging CR7?


SkyWest would likely lease to DL/9E rather than sell.

The order makes sense as OO has exactly 16 900 that were built before the early 2008 switch to NextGen.


The SkyWest press release specifically mentions that these E75s are replacing OO owned/financed CR9s, which would exclude the DL-leased, ex-OH shells. The 16 AC being replaced with this order are likely 800-825SK. These are the 16 older OO-owned shells under contract with DL.

Wouldn’t surprise me though if DL were to announce their own E75 order to replace the other older shells (and maybe some 9E/YX birds as well).

With AA having such an appetite for 65 seat aircraft, my guess is these 16 CR9s end up there in a low density configuration. I think OO has just about depleted the CR7 market unless MHI starts the line back up.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:47 pm

challeygat300 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
As of today, the 175 is the ONLY SCOPE viable replacement for the 700/900's. And it will be that way for the foreseeable future, as there is nothing else being developed in the West.


But that’s assuming DL wanted to “replace” CR9s - there has been no indication DL wants to replace. Therefore, as the previous poster asked, why this deal? The oldest is only 15 years old now. Was this a DL-driven move or Skywest?



I think it’s just to update the experience. OO currently has, I think, 16 CRJ900 that we’re built before the switchover to NextGen around the beginning of 2008. Those AC have smaller bins and different lighting in the cabin. My guess is that these will be fully removed from the DC system but might find a home with AE in the future. The vast majority of 9E 900s have the NextGen treatment as well so it makes sense to get ride of the older, uglier AC. These are the oldest 900s, representing all of the pre-2008 build:

679CA
689
692
693
800SK
802
803
804
805
806
809
813
816
817
820
821

I’m unsure about the 3 N5##CA and N822SK and whether they have the interior treatment but given their build dates I assume they have it.


That may be true, but I don’t think that Skywest owns the CA tails…
 
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:48 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
But that’s assuming DL wanted to “replace” CR9s - there has been no indication DL wants to replace. Therefore, as the previous poster asked, why this deal? The oldest is only 15 years old now. Was this a DL-driven move or Skywest?


Based on the contents of the OO press release, this is clearly a Delta-driven move. These are "16 SkyWest-owned or financed CRJ900s currently under its Delta contract, with expirations ranging from the second half of 2022 to early 2023. SkyWest is evaluating the impact of the anticipated displacement of the CRJ900s, including a potential non-cash impairment charge."

SKYW wouldn't need to consider an impairment of the aircraft if DL wanted to retain them in DCI service after contract expiration; SKYW would likely announce they already have a new partner lined up for the planes. The impairment would be necessary if SKYW were to be forced to park these CR9s before the end of their expected useful lifetime/period of depreciation. So this is Delta moving to swap out CR9s for E175s at OO and SkyWest doesn't yet have a new plan (customer or lessee) for these aircraft.
 
DiamondFlyer
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:51 pm

heretothere wrote:
challeygat300 wrote:
WidebodyPTV wrote:

The planes are owned by SkyWeet, so DL would have to purchase them. Aren’t they tapped out on their large regional jets? This order is strange… maybe DL is going to reduce the seat count to 70 and replace some aging CR7?


SkyWest would likely lease to DL/9E rather than sell.

The order makes sense as OO has exactly 16 900 that were built before the early 2008 switch to NextGen.


The SkyWest press release specifically mentions that these E75s are replacing OO owned/financed CR9s, which would exclude the DL-leased, ex-OH shells. The 16 AC being replaced with this order are likely 800-825SK. These are the 16 older OO-owned shells under contract with DL.

Wouldn’t surprise me though if DL were to announce their own E75 order to replace the other older shells (and maybe some 9E/YX birds as well).

With AA having such an appetite for 65 seat aircraft, my guess is these 16 CR9s end up there in a low density configuration. I think OO has just about depleted the CR7 market unless MHI starts the line back up.


Again, it’s going to depend on what happens with the scope arbitration that should be done shortly. If delta wins there is probably room for 15 or so new builds…
 
MIflyer12
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Re: Skywest orders 16 more E175

Sat Aug 14, 2021 7:15 pm

ScottB wrote:
SKYW wouldn't need to consider an impairment of the aircraft if DL wanted to retain them in DCI service after contract expiration; SKYW would likely announce they already have a new partner lined up for the planes. The impairment would be necessary if SKYW were to be forced to park these CR9s before the end of their expected useful lifetime/period of depreciation. So this is Delta moving to swap out CR9s for E175s at OO and SkyWest doesn't yet have a new plan (customer or lessee) for these aircraft.


Thanks for that assessment. I guess we're waiting to see what use Skywest has for these Skywest-owned frames, then. If they're projecting impairment it may not be lucrative.

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