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Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:42 pm

Back on topic, I think I have a suggestion for moderators. I believe that we should have a thread dedicated to these inflight misbehavior incidents instead of all having separate threads. There's at least 1-2 of them each week...
 
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Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:43 pm

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Duct taping any passenger to a seat, as happened on F9 last week, and now on AA this week seems like a huge liability issue. What happens in the event of an emergency evacuation if crew can't get the tape removed in time and the passenger is stuck?

Or the passenger vomits (assuming tape over mouth) and asphyxiates?
 
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Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:45 pm

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Dreamflight767 wrote:
I seem to remember handcuffs were removed from planes because they were being stolen for “personal” use. Kinda same reason Virgin Atlantic removed baby changing tables on their planes…mile high club.

Have to remember, almost daily, prisoner transport flights occur and you can bet those folks are fully restrained.

Maybe instead of seat belts, we should be required to tape ourselves to seats. That would also resolve the lines for the lavs.


Prisoners wear wrist cuffs and have an escort between them and the aisle, but can not have their legs restrained or be attached to any part of the aircraft.


I was thinking those between transported between prisons. Flights by DOJ.
 
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Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:47 pm

Perhaps during the pre-flight safety demonstration the FA could use a roll of duct tape in each hand as a pointer to show the emergency exits and to follow the lights on the floor.
As a subtle reminder to behave.
 
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Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:20 pm

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If the juvenile in question has or has had such difficulties traveling in cramped spaces, why would the parent(s) force him to do so now. It would seem that the parents should have made other more suitable travel arrangements for the boy rather than subject him to the rigors of crowded commercial airliners.


There's a unique and odd thought... Parents responsible for their children?... Imagine that?...
 
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Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:22 pm

GlobalAirways wrote:
IFlyMGN wrote:
If the juvenile in question has or has had such difficulties traveling in cramped spaces, why would the parent(s) force him to do so now. It would seem that the parents should have made other more suitable travel arrangements for the boy rather than subject him to the rigors of crowded commercial airliners.


There's a unique and odd thought... Parents responsible for their children?... Imagine that?...

Suitable arrangement from Maui?! What do you have in mind? A row boat?
 
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Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:00 pm

32andBelow wrote:
Tomsixty2 wrote:
Time for actions like these to have consequences. No fly list for life. But some snowflake judge will dismiss all charges if there even are charges filed. The air line needs to go federal and ban for life ……

Bro he’s 13. Chill.


No. There is no chill in big metal tube hurling through the sky at 550 mph. None. Some 13 year olds are the size of full grown men. So, no. No chill.
 
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Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:14 pm

Flflyer83 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Tomsixty2 wrote:
Time for actions like these to have consequences. No fly list for life. But some snowflake judge will dismiss all charges if there even are charges filed. The air line needs to go federal and ban for life ……

Bro he’s 13. Chill.


No. There is no chill in big metal tube hurling through the sky at 550 mph. None. Some 13 year olds are the size of full grown men. So, no. No chill.


The U.S. Supreme Court has recognized that youth diminishes culpability, if one actually wants to use law as a reference.
 
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Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:29 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
cynlb wrote:
Spare the rod spoil the child


I don't think we have enough info on this. Beatings don't cure autism, for example.


Yes. I can't believe how insensitive some people are being. We don't know what's going on with the child. Emphasis on being a child.
 
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Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:37 pm

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I flew as an FA for UA years ago - during the 9/11 era. We had no SOP about duct tape either way. Violent incidents happen very quickly, and your goal is to subdue someone who is acting out before they hurt other people. These duct tape incidents might not look glamorous, but duct tape can sometimes be easier to apply than tough cuffs of zipties that require getting the person immobilized enough to control both of their arms at once.

As far as the evac situation, I would assess that once things calm down. Yes, I would try to get them out of the tape pre-landing. But for a person who attempted to interfere with an operational feature or the aircraft (opening doors, setting fires, breaching the cockpit), I would be very careful not to allow them a new opportunity to get free. Remember, the doors get easier to open as the pressure differential decreases, and the last thing I want is them back up on final approach trying to rip the window exists open. If that means they have to land in a tape cocoon, so be it.

Perhaps the training has changed. But when I went through, there was nothing about needing to make restrained passengers evac ready (except for prisoners being transported lawfully who may not in any way be attached to the aircraft).



This is an interesting perspective, thanks for sharing. In the years immediately after 9/11, people were very on edge. If a pax tried to pull some of the insane shenanigans that we see today, I wouldn’t be surprised if able-bodied pax would respond by beating the person unconscious, or worse. And Air Marshalls were trigger happy in those days (refer to the incident in Miami).
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:27 am

Flflyer83 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Tomsixty2 wrote:
Time for actions like these to have consequences. No fly list for life. But some snowflake judge will dismiss all charges if there even are charges filed. The air line needs to go federal and ban for life ……

Bro he’s 13. Chill.


No. There is no chill in big metal tube hurling through the sky at 550 mph. None. Some 13 year olds are the size of full grown men. So, no. No chill.

A LIFETIME ban for a 13 year old!! He’s not an adult. Hey dad why can’t grandpa go to Bali with us. Well suzie 60 years ago when he was 13 he had a temper tantrum. I know since then he has become a priest and has helped raise 10,000,000 dollars for orphans. But he is banned from flying for life!
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:31 am

Chemist wrote:
"On American Airlines, we no longer have free bags, meals, or legroom --- but the duct tape is FREEEE!!!!!!"


Only on economy fares. There will be a Post-COVID duct tape surcharge added for basic economy passengers.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:41 am

If anybody should be banned, not saying banning is appropriate here, it’s the lackadaisical parents who raised the child to be a brat. That’s all assuming there isn’t an underlying medical condition such as autism.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:42 am

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Looks like Duct Tape is becoming SOP for these cases.

My daughter approves. She would cover the person in her variety of duct tape bought for art.

Lightsaber
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:07 am

Mother of the kid was on the flight and the article said he got physical with her as well. So that's a sign of kid out of control.

There needs to be a ban and then a medical evaluation to be unbanned.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:18 am

schernov wrote:
Mother of the kid was on the flight and the article said he got physical with her as well. So that's a sign of kid out of control.

There needs to be a ban and then a medical evaluation to be unbanned.

Sure you can do something temporary but a lifetime travel ban to a kid is insanity.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:25 am

I'm pretty sure this is the beginning of the end of the use of duct tape. You can't affix someone to their seat in case of an emergency evacuation, no matter how much a of a PITA they are. Where I am, we have the tuff cuffs, nothing else can be used, period.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:24 am

tb727 wrote:
I'm pretty sure this is the beginning of the end of the use of duct tape. You can't affix someone to their seat in case of an emergency evacuation, no matter how much a of a PITA they are. Where I am, we have the tuff cuffs, nothing else can be used, period.


AA does/did have the flex cuffs as well; however I seem to remember there being an issue with people who have extremely small wrists. I understand the need for tape here if he was trying to kick out a window as flex cuffs aren't going to stop him from continuing to do that (of course he shouldn't in theory be able to actually do it, rather only damage to the sidewall)
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:34 am

Just curious in cases like this who pays for the cost of the diversion? I assume they had to dump the fuel before landing in HNL
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:10 am

OA412 wrote:
Duct taping any passenger to a seat, as happened on F9 last week, and now on AA this week seems like a huge liability issue. What happens in the event of an emergency evacuation if crew can't get the tape removed in time and the passenger is stuck?


Restraints would be removed during the cabin preparation for an emergency landing, applying restraints is a last resort.

It is not illegal to restrain a passenger to a seat in flight (we do it all the time with seat belts), however one cannot also cause injury to a passenger.

This sort of restraint would be used as a circuit breaker, let the passenger calm down.

There is another restraint system used on long haul airlines that has it origins from hospital settings for those with significant mental illness that need restraint to protect themselves and those around them. That system involves seat belt loops that restrain the arms around the biceps to a clip behind the seat, and also similar around the ankles that attaches to the seat supports to the row ahead. Wrists are handcuffed. This system is used in hospital setting as well to restrain patients to beds.

It would appear from the initial reports that this passenger who allegedly tried to kick out an aircraft window would be justified in my opinion to be restrained this way as their feet were reported to being used .
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:11 am

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Just curious in cases like this who pays for the cost of the diversion? I assume they had to dump the fuel before landing in HNL


Airlines can sue the passenger to,pay, numerous findings in this regard have occurred in the past few years.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:16 am

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Remember, the doors get easier to open as the pressure differential decreases.


While true, even at a few hundred feet the pressure differential is enough to make it practically impossible. My back of a cigarette packet maths shows about 150 pounds of force needed by 100 feet rising to well over 1000 pounds by 1000 feet. Someone opening a door at those altitudes might kill themselves, but unlikely anyone else.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:37 am

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ContinentalEWR wrote:
Good. Now, ban this fool from flying for 10-15 years, fine him a fortune. Never too early to learn.


Really? This is a minor - clearly one with some serious behavioral challenges. And you can't fine a minor (what problem does it solve for his parents to have to pay for this - I'm sure this isn't the first challenge he has posed for them) - what recourse does he have to pay the fine? Talk about a ridiculous suggestion. You don't know any details of what transpired or led up to the event. Let's avoid these outrageous knee-jerk reactions which are all too common these days.

Jeremy


Calm down. I am sure you would have a different response if you or your family were on board. Can you imagine what could have happened if the little brat managed to kick out the window? There has to be consequences for these actions, the guardians of this nasty little piece of work need to be held accountable.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 6:30 am

I guess this spells the end of windows on commercial flights. Can't have nice things.
Safety First!!
 
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I guess this spells the end of windows on commercial flights. Can't have nice things.
Safety First!!

I like how anyone here thinks those windows can be kicked out
 
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ikolkyo wrote:
Looks like Duct Tape is becoming SOP for these cases.

My daughter approves. She would cover the person in her variety of duct tape bought for art.

Lightsaber


I'll ask this question again. Do FA's receive guidelines of how to tape males and females???

This is not a trivial question.

Although trivial posts are allowed in this thread. And that's Okay with me.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:06 am

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SESGDL wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
Good. Now, ban this fool from flying for 10-15 years, fine him a fortune. Never too early to learn.


Really? This is a minor - clearly one with some serious behavioral challenges. And you can't fine a minor (what problem does it solve for his parents to have to pay for this - I'm sure this isn't the first challenge he has posed for them) - what recourse does he have to pay the fine? Talk about a ridiculous suggestion. You don't know any details of what transpired or led up to the event. Let's avoid these outrageous knee-jerk reactions which are all too common these days.

Jeremy


Can you imagine what could have happened if the little brat managed to kick out the window?

Probably nothing for the same reason you can't open a cabin door in flight
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:12 am

You almost long for the days when the worst behaviors of passengers were passing out drunk, babies crying or kids kicking your seatback the whole flight.
I wonder what would happen if a UM became unruly to the point of needing restraint ?
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:45 am

If he is trying to kick out the cabin window I have all support for duct taping him. It needs to be checked what is wrong with him before any next flight.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:13 am

a36001 wrote:
SESGDL wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
Good. Now, ban this fool from flying for 10-15 years, fine him a fortune. Never too early to learn.


Really? This is a minor - clearly one with some serious behavioral challenges. And you can't fine a minor (what problem does it solve for his parents to have to pay for this - I'm sure this isn't the first challenge he has posed for them) - what recourse does he have to pay the fine? Talk about a ridiculous suggestion. You don't know any details of what transpired or led up to the event. Let's avoid these outrageous knee-jerk reactions which are all too common these days.

Jeremy


Calm down. I am sure you would have a different response if you or your family were on board. Can you imagine what could have happened if the little brat managed to kick out the window? There has to be consequences for these actions, the guardians of this nasty little piece of work need to be held accountable.


if this truly was a child with autism, perhaps then the consequences of the kid's actions would need to be reviewed, but I really don't fault the crew here for the course of action they took. Flying has become miserable, thanks to the trash among the flying public that abuse crew members, put other passengers at risk, make the experience even more unpleasant than it is, when something goes wrong or when it is just a normal flight. Even an operational meltdown like the one experienced by Spirit, or the issues that afflicted AA's operations two weeks ago, aren't to be taken out on the cabin crew and certainly not on fellow passengers, and even the tired, overworked, abused customer service employees. I do think the industry needs to find a solution to this problem, and part of it is huge fines and penalties, and either a ban by the airline where the offense occurred, or across the board for a significant amount of time. As to this 13 year old, he shouldn't be allowed to fly again for a time. That decision is better for him and for those around him, including the crew.

I was on a flight from SFO a few weeks ago that was ready to depart on time in spite of a full cabin and some last minute volunteer requests at the gate, and a chaotic boarding. A passenger asked a flight attended to swap seats so she could be seated next to her two early teen kids. The flight attendant took the time to find a willing passenger to swap seats. She did not have to do that. The mother then proceeded to stand in the aisle for 15 minutes, moving her bags, settling her kids in with Ipads, and was told twice by 2 cabin crew to be seated so we could push back. The woman barked at the flight attendant, called her a "bitch" and other obscenities. At that point, the mother should have been escorted off the plane with her kids and she was told they were a minute away from pulling her off the flight.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:29 pm

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It’s weird that they don’t carry those zip tie handcuffs on planes at this point


Some airlines do. In fact some airlines carry a restraint kit that contains said items which also includes duct tape.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:50 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
Good. Now, ban this fool from flying for 10-15 years, fine him a fortune. Never too early to learn.


You shouldn’t be so quick to judge “this fool”. Having the kindest most caring son who has autism, this is a familiar pattern of behaviour. It can easily be pacified without resorting to duct tape.
 
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It’s weird that they don’t carry those zip tie handcuffs on planes at this point



I have large gauge zip ties whenever I fly in my carry on. I will never tolerate anything that could ever endanger anyone or the plane after 9/11. I’m waiting for the day one of these altercations turns into an all out brawl with all pax fighting on one side of the plane causing a weight shift to one side and sending the out of balanced plane out of control.
 
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RR757 wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
Good. Now, ban this fool from flying for 10-15 years, fine him a fortune. Never too early to learn.


You shouldn’t be so quick to judge “this fool”. Having the kindest most caring son who has autism, this is a familiar pattern of behaviour. It can easily be pacified without resorting to duct tape.



Having a low function autistic relative who can get very violent I disagree with you. What ever means necessary to protect pax and the aircraft regardless of someone’s mental or physical handicap be it zip ties, or duct tape etc….
 
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DIRECTFLT wrote:
I guess this spells the end of windows on commercial flights. Can't have nice things.
Safety First!!

I like how anyone here thinks those windows can be kicked out


So, the integrity of the window can’t be compromised after repeated assault causing it to crack and implode due to the weakened structure and pressure variance? Why, yes, yes it can.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:41 pm

RR757 wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
Good. Now, ban this fool from flying for 10-15 years, fine him a fortune. Never too early to learn.


You shouldn’t be so quick to judge “this fool”. Having the kindest most caring son who has autism, this is a familiar pattern of behaviour. It can easily be pacified without resorting to duct tape.

Maybe you can then explain to everyone why the parents were unable to control the boy.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:52 pm

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Calm down. I am sure you would have a different response if you or your family were on board.


Maybe, maybe not, but that hypothetical doesn't change, or bear any relevance (IMO) that proportion needs to be maintained in finding a solution to a problem.

IMO, going to the ultimate extreme without evaluating whether it is necessary or not only says "this person should not be in charge of making laws, as they don't have the ability to think about the nuances that might be required."
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:00 pm

It is tough flying now days for all.

For passengers the extra security, the crowded airports, airlines racing to the bottom and now the pandemic requirements.

For the crews and airport workers, new rules to mandate, social media, bad moral and not sure if their jobs will be available on the next roster ... one more global lockdown ... who knows.

Everyone is on the edge; passengers, crews and airport staff. Sadly there will be overreaction, click bait media titles, social media and so on.

As my grandfather said, when he first the fax machine (anyone remember those or let alone know one?) it's a whole new world.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:43 pm

Just a side note: Am I the only one wondering thats duct tape or is it speedtape?
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:19 pm

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Just a side note: Am I the only one wondering thats duct tape or is it speedtape?


The FAA should standardize the tape and issue best practices for it's application and removal.
The ALs should also consider stocking "spit covers" to go over the heads of restrained unruly passengers who insist on spitting.
I guess you could consult the County Jail in LA for recommendations.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:30 pm

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32andBelow wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
I guess this spells the end of windows on commercial flights. Can't have nice things.
Safety First!!

I like how anyone here thinks those windows can be kicked out


So, the integrity of the window can’t be compromised after repeated assault causing it to crack and implode due to the weakened structure and pressure variance? Why, yes, yes it can.


Perhaps you could provide a link to some technical literature on this, or an example of where it has happened in the real world?
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:01 pm

Flflyer83 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
I guess this spells the end of windows on commercial flights. Can't have nice things.
Safety First!!

I like how anyone here thinks those windows can be kicked out


So, the integrity of the window can’t be compromised after repeated assault causing it to crack and implode due to the weakened structure and pressure variance? Why, yes, yes it can.

The best example I can give is from turboprops. The props occasionally shed ice into the side of the plane at hundreds of miles an hour. So I am going to say no one is going to kick a window out. Also the interior window is just plastic and the actual window is on the other side of the air gap
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:07 pm

RR757 wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
Good. Now, ban this fool from flying for 10-15 years, fine him a fortune. Never too early to learn.


You shouldn’t be so quick to judge “this fool”. Having the kindest most caring son who has autism, this is a familiar pattern of behaviour. It can easily be pacified without resorting to duct tape.

As a parent with an autistic son who will end up at least 6-2, I am dreading his teen years when he won't understand what's happening to him. He is hard to control now if he is very upset, but I am bigger than him.

That said, he loves planes and doesn't lose control in those situations, so he travels fine.

This idea that you can fine a mentally disabled person a lot of money and they will "learn" to not be mentally disabled is one of the least informed comments I have ever read.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:02 pm

Would this have been handled differently pre pandemic?? I would have to think many 13 year olds had temper tantrums in the history of aviation. The cell phone capturing thing is definitely making things worse, almost encourages people to go crazy.

I'm just saying I bet many 13 year olds flipped out on planes in 2019 and none that we know of were duck taped
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:10 pm

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Would this have been handled differently pre pandemic?? I would have to think many 13 year olds had temper tantrums in the history of aviation. The cell phone capturing thing is definitely making things worse, almost encourages people to go crazy.

I'm just saying I bet many 13 year olds flipped out on planes in 2019 and none that we know of were duck taped

Yah every temper tantrum is gonna make the news now since these drunks have been knocking out crew
 
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Re: AA Crew Duct Tapes 13 y/o To His Seat OGG-LAX

Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:07 pm

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RR757 wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
Good. Now, ban this fool from flying for 10-15 years, fine him a fortune. Never too early to learn.


You shouldn’t be so quick to judge “this fool”. Having the kindest most caring son who has autism, this is a familiar pattern of behaviour. It can easily be pacified without resorting to duct tape.

Maybe you can then explain to everyone why the parents were unable to control the boy.



PLEASE. We need more people in this thread (and in general) to acknowledge the parents were at fault in a way. I think that is very overlooked. The mom could have quieted her son down even when an argument ensued. And yes, he does have autism, but the mother has been with him for 13 years, so she should know his behavior patterns, how he reacts to things, and his attitude, etc. Autistic child or not, the parents did not take initiative to better handle the situation. All I know is, my mom would DEFINITELY not let me get away with trying to kick a window out a plane. (Heck, when a Karen yelled at me for "kicking" her seat when I was really just tapping on the TV, my mom got mad at ME and made me apologize.) 'Nuff said, the parents didn't do their part in controlling the situation and it is sad that the crew had to pull the tape and ties out. It could have been controlled.
 
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Re: AA Crew Duct Tapes 13 y/o To His Seat OGG-LAX

Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:30 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
If anybody should be banned, not saying banning is appropriate here, it’s the lackadaisical parents who raised the child to be a brat. That’s all assuming there isn’t an underlying medical condition such as autism.


I think that trying to kick out the window goes way beyond being a brat.
 
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Re: AA Crew Duct Tapes 13 y/o To His Seat OGG-LAX

Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:34 pm

IFlyMGN wrote:
If the juvenile in question has or has had such difficulties traveling in cramped spaces, why would the parent(s) force him to do so now. It would seem that the parents should have made other more suitable travel arrangements for the boy rather than subject him to the rigors of crowded commercial airliners.

How else would one travel from Maui to Los Angeles, drive?
 
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Re: AA Crew Restrains 13 y/o To His Seat OGG-LAX

Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:08 am

The only solution is tranquilizer darts
 
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Re: AA Crew Duct Tapes 13 y/o To His Seat OGG-LAX

Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:17 am

spinotter wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
If anybody should be banned, not saying banning is appropriate here, it’s the lackadaisical parents who raised the child to be a brat. That’s all assuming there isn’t an underlying medical condition such as autism.


I think that trying to kick out the window goes way beyond being a brat.


Enough with the overdramatized kicking the window out meme. No person of any size, Hulk Hogan and Arnold the Terminator included, is going to kick out a window. No one was in the slightest endangered. Annoyed, yes.

He’s a brat, perhaps mentally challenged, but not a threat to lives or the plane.

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