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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:48 am

The two C130s that just moved.

FEVEP12 from Kabul https://fr24.com/FEVEP12/28cd318a

FEVER11 from Kabul https://fr24.com/FEVER11/28cd3093
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:50 am

tys777 wrote:
The two C130s that just moved.

FEVEP12 from Kabul https://fr24.com/FEVEP12/28cd318a

FEVER11 from Kabul https://fr24.com/FEVER11/28cd3093

Looks like someone fat fingered the call sign. It’s def fever 11 and 12 flying together. I assume fighters are not trackable? I’d be surprised if there was an orbit over the airport
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:50 am

Spacepope wrote:
DLASFlyer wrote:
Evacuees boarding a C-17. https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/14 ... 8289011712

Looks busy but somewhat orderly. People helping people. A Turkish 777 is on the way to hopefully get more people out.


RAF C-17, most notable thing about that video though is the tracer fire arcing through the night sky above the wing.


That looks more like an Indian Air Force C-17. They had one leaving Kabul late on Sunday even.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:53 am

According to sources (Richard Engel), Taliban are firing against aircraft. Maybe the Turkish 77W was among those that got hit.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:56 am

AirPacific747 wrote:
According to sources (Richard Engel), Taliban are firing against aircraft. Maybe the Turkish 77W was among those that got hit.

Might be why the c130s just departed. Would be pretty dumb to get a couple hundred taliban killed when everyone is literally trying to leave. Or get their nice palace deleted
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:57 am

https://twitter.com/24SevenEyes/status/ ... 14208?s=20


Video of tons of civilians on the runway.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:59 am

https://twitter.com/Fidget02/status/142 ... 81026?s=20

Apaches being used for crowd control/dispersal on the runway.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:02 am

JoseSalazar wrote:
https://twitter.com/Fidget02/status/1427177028407681026?s=20

Apaches being used for crowd control/dispersal on the runway.

Holy shit. I wonder how the last plane is gonna go
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:02 am

JoseSalazar wrote:
https://twitter.com/Fidget02/status/1427177028407681026?s=20

Apaches being used for crowd control/dispersal on the runway.


Not sure how Turkish will ever get out with that crowd. Not sure the crew will push the limit quite as much as the USAF is probably willing to push it.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:03 am

migair54 wrote:
I saw a very nice photo of the B52 sent for the mission, not the standard paint


Mind linking the picture? Interested to see it :)
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:04 am

tys777 wrote:
JoseSalazar wrote:
https://twitter.com/Fidget02/status/1427177028407681026?s=20

Apaches being used for crowd control/dispersal on the runway.


Not sure how Turkish will ever get out with that crowd. Not sure the crew will push the limit quite as much as the USAF is probably willing to push it.

I wonder if turkey will come in with some firepower??
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:05 am

Who at Turkish Airlines decided it was a smart move to send their aircraft and crew into Kabul at this time when other carriers IE BA won't even overfly the country ?
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:11 am

32andBelow wrote:
JoseSalazar wrote:
https://twitter.com/Fidget02/status/1427177028407681026?s=20

Apaches being used for crowd control/dispersal on the runway.

Holy shit. I wonder how the last plane is gonna go

How will they get these Apaches out of Kabul? Or will they leave them there (in which case they would destroy them, I guess…)
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:12 am

N14AZ wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
JoseSalazar wrote:
https://twitter.com/Fidget02/status/1427177028407681026?s=20

Apaches being used for crowd control/dispersal on the runway.

Holy shit. I wonder how the last plane is gonna go

How will they get these Apaches out of Kabul? Or will they leave them there (in which case they would destroy them, I guess…)

Fly them? They only have to fly them to Qatar or something. Maybe not enough range.
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:13 am

32andBelow wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Holy shit. I wonder how the last plane is gonna go

How will they get these Apaches out of Kabul? Or will they leave them there (in which case they would destroy them, I guess…)

Fly them? They only have to fly them to Qatar or something

Do they have such a range? Sorry, not so familiar with military aviation…
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:14 am

Looks like RCH836 and 811 and the B52 are headed back away from Afgh
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:15 am

N14AZ wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
How will they get these Apaches out of Kabul? Or will they leave them there (in which case they would destroy them, I guess…)

Fly them? They only have to fly them to Qatar or something

Do they have such a range? Sorry, not so familiar with military aviation…

They might not. I guess either load them into c17s or blow them up.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:17 am

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Looks like RCH836 and 811 and the B52 are headed back away from Afgh

They might be getting fueled.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:18 am

32andBelow wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Fly them? They only have to fly them to Qatar or something

Do they have such a range? Sorry, not so familiar with military aviation…

They might not. I guess either load them into c17s or blow them up.


Maybe they could reach a US airbase in Pakistan if there is such a thing?
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:21 am

Iluvtofly wrote:
Who at Turkish Airlines decided it was a smart move to send their aircraft and crew into Kabul at this time when other carriers IE BA won't even overfly the country ?


Turkey has some kind of military deal with the US Army. I assume pilots were from the TK fleet management, same for the cabin crew (don't they operate a Government B77W ?)
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:23 am

32andBelow wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Fly them? They only have to fly them to Qatar or something

Do they have such a range? Sorry, not so familiar with military aviation…

They might not. I guess either load them into c17s or blow them up.


Roughly a 300 mile range.


https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraf ... raft_id=29
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:24 am

AirPacific747 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Do they have such a range? Sorry, not so familiar with military aviation…

They might not. I guess either load them into c17s or blow them up.


Maybe they could reach a US airbase in Pakistan if there is such a thing?

I don't think there is but a fuel stop would probably be possible. Or just land there in Pakistan and load them on a C17.
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:25 am

32andBelow wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Fly them? They only have to fly them to Qatar or something

Do they have such a range? Sorry, not so familiar with military aviation…

They might not. I guess either load them into c17s or blow them up.

If they load them into a C17 who should clear the way for the C17 to take off? And I really hope there is no more C17 in Kabul… I hope the one in the video was the last one to leave Kabul.

What a mess. Hoping that all allies get out safely.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:25 am

https://twitter.com/AhmadKhan319338/sta ... 52129?s=20

3 Afghan people allegedly falling from a departing C17. Unbelievable.
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:25 am

32andBelow wrote:
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airsmiles wrote:
TK707 is now taxying again.


Looked like it was about to take off then just taxied off the runway back to the mil ramp.

Hell of a time to have a maint issue


Are all SOPs applied in this situation or do the pilots have a degree of judgement to apply when deciding if they go without something that they ordinarily would have, but that is possibly not that critical?
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:26 am

Toinou wrote:
AirPacific747 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
They might not. I guess either load them into c17s or blow them up.


Maybe they could reach a US airbase in Pakistan if there is such a thing?

I don't think there is but a fuel stop would probably be possible.


How is the Tajikistan-US relationship? I guess if the US is willing to throw enough money they could fly them to Dushanbe and Pick them up in Ayni.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:28 am

qf2220 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
JoseSalazar wrote:

Looked like it was about to take off then just taxied off the runway back to the mil ramp.

Hell of a time to have a maint issue


Are all SOPs applied in this situation or do the pilots have a degree of judgement to apply when deciding if they go without something that they ordinarily would have, but that is possibly not that critical?

This would constitute an emergency where you could depart with just about anything. But, I’m guessing the thousands on the runway and probably crawling all over the plane caused them to not try it. Just a guess though piecing together info.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:28 am

qf2220 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
JoseSalazar wrote:

Looked like it was about to take off then just taxied off the runway back to the mil ramp.

Hell of a time to have a maint issue


Are all SOPs applied in this situation or do the pilots have a degree of judgement to apply when deciding if they go without something that they ordinarily would have, but that is possibly not that critical?

Anything goes at this point. I bet they’d go unpressurized at 12000 feet or lower if they had to
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:30 am

N14AZ wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Do they have such a range? Sorry, not so familiar with military aviation…

They might not. I guess either load them into c17s or blow them up.

If they load them into a C17 who should clear the way for the C17 to take off? And I really hope there is no more C17 in Kabul… I hope the one in the video was the last one to leave Kabul.

What a mess. Hoping that all allies get out safely.

I’m sure there will lots more c17 sorties

Army airborne trains for taking airfields. Wonder if they’ll drop them
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:35 am

qf2220 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
JoseSalazar wrote:

Looked like it was about to take off then just taxied off the runway back to the mil ramp.

Hell of a time to have a maint issue


Are all SOPs applied in this situation or do the pilots have a degree of judgement to apply when deciding if they go without something that they ordinarily would have, but that is possibly not that critical?


They're only trained to do what the manuals say, but in this case I think i would have made a go for it if I was the pilot as soon as those apaches cleared the runway a little bit.. cant see what kind of tech failure except for engine failure or fire that would be more severe than to taxi back to stand as the taliban are shooting at various planes.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:37 am

Awful video showing two people falling from a C-17 that had taken off from Kabul.
Things really are desperate there.
Turkish B777 still can’t get out.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:37 am

Turkish is taxing again to the runway.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:48 am

That TK is going to be there for a long time. Impossible to takeoff with all the people on the runway.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:49 am

Supposedly, Turkish is now in the air.

TK707 from Kabul to Istanbul https://fr24.com/THY6DT/28cd1eca
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:49 am

Turkish is up
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:49 am

And TK is on it's way
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:50 am

And finally airborne - already at 6,000 ft over the end of the runway
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:51 am

Scoreboard wrote:
And finally airborne - already at 6,000 ft over the end of the runway


Max angle of climb just to get out of that mess it seems
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:52 am

How on earth did TK707 manage to lift off from KBL? There were hundreds Afghani's running around on the runway lol.

I'm sure it must have been some Hollywood style lift off.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:52 am

Scoreboard wrote:
And finally airborne - already at 6,000 ft over the end of the runway


Supposedly lightly loaded? That rate of climb seems very steep, steep turn as well.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:53 am

Kabul Airport is 5800ft high!!
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:54 am

avier wrote:
How on earth did TK707 manage to lift off from KBL? There were hundreds Afghani's running around on the runway lol.

I'm sure it must have been some Hollywood style lift off.

I am sure we will soon have some videos on social media…
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:06 am

Max Thrust, Flaps 20 and no rejecting on the runway.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:08 am

Leveled at FL220. A suspected pressurization issue due to bullet holes?

Edit: It has continued the climb to FL360
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:17 am

Another video shows at least 5 people sitting on the main gear doors of the C-17 as it rolls down the runway. Truly awful stuff... poor people.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:24 am

*sigh*

This is Da Nang 1975, all over again. :(
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:34 am

Diverskii wrote:
Another video shows at least 5 people sitting on the main gear doors of the C-17 as it rolls down the runway. Truly awful stuff... poor people.

https://twitter.com/MalikAliiRaza/statu ... 71362?s=20

Reach 885. 02-1109. Just popped on FR24
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:06 am

ORD-DEL,SFO-DEL have been diverted to SHJ ,
Interestingly UA,EWR-BOM is right on middle of Kazakh airspace trailed by UA ORD-DEL which just entered Kazakh airspace and highly doubt that EWR-BOM would be diverted to DEL owing to extra range and fuel since the afghan airspace has to avoided anyway

UA SFO-DEL has no problem since they fly the polar route..

Interestingly a part of afghan area squeezes in between Tajikistan and Pakistan and UA may detour over Tajik and enter directly into POK and enter DEL ACC
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:21 am

The Turkish Airlines flight could well be last commercial flight out of Kabul for some time. RIP for all those who perished in this nightmare, may Afghanistan returns to peace soon. As much as we sympathise with them, their people would decide their future. Bitter pill......
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Commercial Aircraft Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:22 am

avier wrote:
How on earth did TK707 manage to lift off from KBL? There were hundreds Afghani's running around on the runway lol.

I'm sure it must have been some Hollywood style lift off.


"lol"? Seriously?
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