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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:37 am

Kam Air A340 has it's transponder on. Wonder if it's actually going somewhere.

https://www.flightradar24.com/28dc6d7f
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:50 am

pbody wrote:
Interesting side effect of all this, the Australian government apparently hasn’t raised the inbound arrival quarantine capacity and airlines are now in the process of canceling aussie expats flights from around the world because there is allegedly no capacity for them despite all the Afghan returnees quarantining in Perth which hasn’t had any other international arrivals.

Wow, something I had never considered. Of course, evacuations are more important so would get priority, just another kick in the guts for those Aussies trying to get home. Has this been picked up by any of the Australian media?
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:01 pm

melpax wrote:
Kam Air A340 has it's transponder on. Wonder if it's actually going somewhere.

https://www.flightradar24.com/28dc6d7f

I have to think with the way people climbed all over it that there has to be some kind of damage at least to the probes or antennas, if no the cockpit, doors, or fuselage. Would the terrain in the area even allow for an unpressurized evac flight?
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:20 pm

myki wrote:
pbody wrote:
Interesting side effect of all this, the Australian government apparently hasn’t raised the inbound arrival quarantine capacity and airlines are now in the process of canceling aussie expats flights from around the world because there is allegedly no capacity for them despite all the Afghan returnees quarantining in Perth which hasn’t had any other international arrivals.

Wow, something I had never considered. Of course, evacuations are more important so would get priority, just another kick in the guts for those Aussies trying to get home. Has this been picked up by any of the Australian media?


Well it looks like that may be mostly an excuse put forward by United for canceling peoples flights. The Aussie govt has denied such allegations and will not be including evacs in the caps. There is several reports of United telling people the evacs are the reason for canceling peoples tickets but apparently that is fake news on their part.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:54 pm

NATO (Hungarian reg) C17 about to land now, coming from Tbilisi:

https://www.flightradar24.com/BARTK18/28dc5f19

Cheers,
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:25 pm

USAF is moving evacuees to Ramstein AFB, Germany. At least 1,800 people have been flown in from DOH, according to local media, with RMS having capacity for up to 10,000 refugees. At least one baby was born on an evacuation flight. https://www.ramstein.af.mil/News/Articl ... perations/ https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/rheinland ... n-100.html [German]
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sat Aug 21, 2021 5:44 pm

In my imagination there would be a fleet of old 380s and 744s with lots of seats ready to do evacuations for weather, refugees etc.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sat Aug 21, 2021 6:18 pm

mxaxai wrote:
USAF is moving evacuees to Ramstein AFB, Germany. At least 1,800 people have been flown in from DOH, according to local media, with RMS having capacity for up to 10,000 refugees. At least one baby was born on an evacuation flight. https://www.ramstein.af.mil/News/Articl ... perations/ https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/rheinland ... n-100.html [German]

Wow from evacuee to USA citizen in 5 minutes
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sat Aug 21, 2021 6:24 pm

MetalNeutral wrote:
NATO (Hungarian reg) C17 about to land now, coming from Tbilisi:

https://www.flightradar24.com/BARTK18/28dc5f19

Cheers,
MN


Now outbound on its way back to TBS, might be going through to AMS as well as earlier this week. Flight is marked as "Bradley Air Services Ltd" btw :lol:

:checkmark: https://www.flightradar24.com/BARTK18/28dd89a3

Dutch A332 MRTT took off from AMS this afternoon, heading back to ISB

:checkmark: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... 5#28dc86e6
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sat Aug 21, 2021 8:54 pm

New footage of airport ops. C/17, MI-8/17, and French A400m dispensing flares on takeoff. https://twitter.com/air_intel/status/14 ... 0926940160
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:23 pm

I was just going to ask about this (A400M with the flares), I've seen it on French TV but it was just a background video, thanks.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:48 pm

Per ABC News, The Biden Administration has alerted carriers that participate in the Civil Reserve Air Fleet to prepare to be on standby to assist with the airlift. The airlines that participate in the Civil Reserve Air Long Haul Fleet are:

ABX Air, Air Transport International, American Airlines
Atlas Air, Delta Air Lines, Fedex, Hawaiian Airlines, Kalitta Air Cargo, Omni Air International, Polar Air Cargo, United, UPS, Western Global.

https://twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/sta ... 07523?s=21
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sat Aug 21, 2021 11:20 pm

Growing up in as an Army brat, and seeing C-5s doing touch and gos all during my youth, how is it the C-17 is more capable than a C-5?
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sat Aug 21, 2021 11:29 pm

BREAKNG: CNBC reporting that the Government may activate the Civil Reserve Air Fleet. (CRAF) by Monday. WSJ reporting that the Pentagon intends to activate BOTH the CRAF and the National Defense Reserve Fleet!

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/21/us-weig ... forts.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-consid ... 1629577108
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:01 am

I would have to imagine they’ll only be using CRAF to get folks to/from AFBs or other extradition spots that folks are already heading to when they leave KBL on USAF assets (I.e. we’re not going to see Atlas flying into KBL)

Edit: and if I took the 10 seconds to read the articles just posted, that’s confirmed
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:18 am

joeblow10 wrote:
I would have to imagine they’ll only be using CRAF to get folks to/from AFBs or other extradition spots that folks are already heading to when they leave KBL on USAF assets (I.e. we’re not going to see Atlas flying into KBL)

Edit: and if I took the 10 seconds to read the articles just posted, that’s confirmed

Why not? Atlas has been flying into KBL for years…
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:38 am

FlyingElvii wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
I would have to imagine they’ll only be using CRAF to get folks to/from AFBs or other extradition spots that folks are already heading to when they leave KBL on USAF assets (I.e. we’re not going to see Atlas flying into KBL)

Edit: and if I took the 10 seconds to read the articles just posted, that’s confirmed

Why not? Atlas has been flying into KBL for years…


They don't appear to need help getting people out of Kabul. The bottleneck now is getting people onward from the Gulf.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 1:29 am

william wrote:
Growing up in as an Army brat, and seeing C-5s doing touch and gos all during my youth, how is it the C-17 is more capable than a C-5?


It’s not 1 C-5 equals 2 C-17s, but then you have to look at turn times, reliability, availability and MOG at the one airport. C-5 are terrible pax haulers unless you’re willing to floor load people as normal ops—lots of risk. See Saigon. If we were hauling out equipment, might be a different story.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:25 am

pbody wrote:
myki wrote:
pbody wrote:
Interesting side effect of all this, the Australian government apparently hasn’t raised the inbound arrival quarantine capacity and airlines are now in the process of canceling aussie expats flights from around the world because there is allegedly no capacity for them despite all the Afghan returnees quarantining in Perth which hasn’t had any other international arrivals.

Wow, something I had never considered. Of course, evacuations are more important so would get priority, just another kick in the guts for those Aussies trying to get home. Has this been picked up by any of the Australian media?


Well it looks like that may be mostly an excuse put forward by United for canceling peoples flights. The Aussie govt has denied such allegations and will not be including evacs in the caps. There is several reports of United telling people the evacs are the reason for canceling peoples tickets but apparently that is fake news on their part.


Got some sources on this? I want to dig further.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:07 am

Think of what you will of Sam Chui but this video just dropped with footage of an AN-28 and PIA 320 leaving Kabul. Both pilots give a eyewitness account about flying out of Kabul. The PIA flight took off when there was no ATC. Its a very interesting video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uIXQvIt9F0
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 1:52 pm

Coal wrote:
RobK wrote:
This is quite an interesting one to follow. It's Hillwood Airways (possible links to CIA - they share same space as Dynacorp at Fort Worth Alliance which has known links to the CIA) BBJ N737AT heading on a very convulted route from Amman ADJ to Kabul as HWA228. Not only that but it is due to change its callsign to SIX PACK 60 upon entering Afghanistan airspace from Turkmenistan (south of Dushanbe).

https://www.flightradar24.com/B737/28d5dd3e

Made a u-turn over the Caspian


There's an unidentified 737 at KBL at the moment.
https://www.flightradar24.com/B737/28df87ef
Could it be the same that was mentionned in quoted messages above?
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 1:56 pm

CRAF has been activated to get people out of BAH RMS and DOH
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:24 pm

Another RAAF C130 currently en route to KBL. The RAAF seem to have been gradually increasing the amount of flights over the past few days.

https://fr24.com/MAMBO30/28df7b4d
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:51 pm

bourbon wrote:
CRAF has been activated to get people out of BAH RMS and DOH


There's a separate thread on this now.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:21 pm

Noticed this Romanian A320 descending into Isa Air Base in Bahrain having taken off from Kabul:

https://www.flightradar24.com/CLPR91/28df5359
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 5:27 pm

Ukrainian UR-76699 is back at KBP.
It was understood to have been to Muscat, standing by to airlift Ukrainian citizens from KBL.
Apparently, it quietly went to KBL, came back to Muscat, and is back in Ukraine.
It took ~80 pax along, around 30 were Ukrainian citizens.
I wonder how many seats do they count on this plane type.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 6:39 pm

Global X (Crossing?) seems to have their A320 and A321 in DYU (Dushanbe, Tajikistan). The A320 looks to be heading south towards KBL. Nighttime operations must be for evacuation surely?
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 6:52 pm

FCAFLYBOY wrote:
Global X (Crossing?) seems to have their A320 and A321 in DYU (Dushanbe, Tajikistan). The A320 looks to be heading south towards KBL. Nighttime operations must be for evacuation surely?


Their A321 is right behind it now

https://www.flightradar24.com/106/28e06b23
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 7:34 pm

Phosphorus wrote:
Ukrainian UR-76699 is back at KBP.
It was understood to have been to Muscat, standing by to airlift Ukrainian citizens from KBL.
Apparently, it quietly went to KBL, came back to Muscat, and is back in Ukraine.
It took ~80 pax along, around 30 were Ukrainian citizens.
I wonder how many seats do they count on this plane type.


And for anyone else who was puzzled over why the plane type was even a question, it's apparently because it is an IL-76.

 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 7:59 pm

Spacepope wrote:
Phosphorus wrote:
Ukrainian UR-76699 is back at KBP.
It was understood to have been to Muscat, standing by to airlift Ukrainian citizens from KBL.
Apparently, it quietly went to KBL, came back to Muscat, and is back in Ukraine.
It took ~80 pax along, around 30 were Ukrainian citizens.
I wonder how many seats do they count on this plane type.


And for anyone else who was puzzled over why the plane type was even a question, it's apparently because it is an IL-76.


Quite right, thanks for clarifying that. I somehow managed not to mention that it was an Il-76.
It's a fairly high chance this plane was to Afghanistan before, during the previous war there. As part of Soviet Air Force, that is.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:27 pm

NAG78XT an Airbus A400M Royal Air Force
https://fr24.com/NAG78XT/28e05e81

RCH 642 Boeing C-17A Globemaster III
https://fr24.com/RCH642/28e075fe

RCH 603 Boeing C-17A Globemaster III
https://fr24.com/RCH603/28e0862c

RCH 803 Boeing C-17A Globemaster III
https://fr24.com/RCH803/28e08a04

RCH 607 Boeing C-17A Globemaster III
https://fr24.com/RCH607/28e08d0e

MOOSE 91 Boeing C-17A Globemaster III
https://fr24.com/MOOSE91/28e0a195

Are all on their way to Kabul
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:58 pm

I wonder what’s the difference between moose and Reach
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:06 pm

Reach is for AMC-directed missions, Moose, I believe, is CENTCOM-directed missions.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:24 pm

Global Crossing's A320 just departed Kabul, didn't see the A321 yet
https://www.flightradar24.com/GXA109/28e0befe

Looks to be heading back to North, possibly back to DYU?
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:47 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Reach is for AMC-directed missions, Moose, I believe, is CENTCOM-directed missions.

Interesting. And what are the difference of the two missions? One handling one group of people and other handling another? Also what does AMC stand for?
 
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Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:01 pm

SuseJ772 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Reach is for AMC-directed missions, Moose, I believe, is CENTCOM-directed missions.

Interesting. And what are the difference of the two missions? One handling one group of people and other handling another? Also what does AMC stand for?


Google is your friend here - the Wiki article is pretty accurate to their mission: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Mobility_Command
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:09 pm

Swedish C130 apparently in KBL earlier today.

Another Swedish C130 is standing ready “in the region”.

https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/aktuellt/2021/08/forsvarsmaktens-tp-84-pa-plats-i-kabul/
(In Swedish but two photos from KBL)
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:17 pm

SuseJ772 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Reach is for AMC-directed missions, Moose, I believe, is CENTCOM-directed missions.

Interesting. And what are the difference of the two missions? One handling one group of people and other handling another? Also what does AMC stand for?


Big difference, the planes in the AOR, are directed and commanded by CENTAF as part of the daily ops order. AMC missions are directed out of Scott by the TACC by TRANSCOM. Different commanders, different missions.

The CENTAF can do anything needed in theater without approval from AMC, “chopped” is term of art
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:22 pm

william wrote:
Growing up in as an Army brat, and seeing C-5s doing touch and gos all during my youth, how is it the C-17 is more capable than a C-5?


Maybe the choice was made from the reliability and spares standpoint?
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:29 pm

Phosphorus wrote:
Ukrainian UR-76699 is back at KBP.
It was understood to have been to Muscat, standing by to airlift Ukrainian citizens from KBL.
Apparently, it quietly went to KBL, came back to Muscat, and is back in Ukraine.
It took ~80 pax along, around 30 were Ukrainian citizens.
I wonder how many seats do they count on this plane type.


Just a small pedantic point, the reg of this plane is now just 76699 since its operated by the Ukraine Air Force.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:37 pm

What's going on with N277GX circling? https://www.flightradar24.com/110/28e0e740
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:46 pm

    joeycapps wrote:
    What's going on with N277GX circling? https://www.flightradar24.com/110/28e0e740


    Sister aircraft to N277GX which left about an hour earlier is N276GX https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n276gx - lookup the history for this one - both operated by Global Crossing

    Made a similar right turn after departure - assuming for terrain clearance - there is no enroute ATC after leaving Kabul - The A321 you highlighted essentially did the same, though after heading North was more North/East

    Assuming ADS-B coverage a bit problematic North as saw the earlier A320 lose tracking about 25 min after leaving KBL - likely will see the A321 doing the same.

    Both from the same operator flew in from Dushanbe, Tajikistan, - both got there from the US a day earlier via Gander/Reykjavik/Bucharest
     
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    Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

    Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:24 am

    New Zealand C-130 just landed at KBL: https://www.flightradar24.com/ALB05/28e18aa3
     
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    Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

    Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:00 am

    YA-KMU A343 looks inbound Kabul from Mashhad.

    NZ C130 now over Pakistan outbound
     
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    Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:42 am

    Jut as YA-KMU just landed,

    MOOSE81 USAF C17 06-6162 popped up
    as did MAMBO30, a RAAF C130 A97-467.

    TORQE12 USAF C130 10-5717 also has transponder on.

    Looks like MAMBO30 and MOOSE81 are lining up to takeoff.
     
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    Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:56 am

    MOOSE41 inbound to Kabul USAF C17 06-6158
    RCH834 inbound to Kabul USAF C17 06-6166
     
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    Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:13 pm

    MOOSE35 USAF C17 03-3120 about to depart Kabul

    No Callsign (XXXX) RAF C17 ZZ174 also about to depart Kabul
     
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    Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:23 pm

    The Dutch is also scaling up transport to assist in the evacuations. Second A332 MRTT (Reg. T-057) deployed out of EIN for possible ISB-AMS ferry.

    :checkmark: MMF51 from Eindhoven https://fr24.com/MMF51/28e1ca44

    Sister Reg. T-055 A332 MRTT recently flew to BRU

    :checkmark: https://fr24.com/data/aircraft/t-055#28e12135
     
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    Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:34 pm

    BARTK23 "SAC Heavy Airlift Wing" C17 08-003 inbound to Kabul
     
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    Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

    Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:55 pm

    737/BBJ no registration just landed in Kabul. Weird route from Amman as mentioned in post #621 so likely same aircraft.

    MOOSE50 USAF C17 04-4137 inbound and about to land in Kabul

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