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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:37 am

Its a Kam Air A340 in Mazar i Sharif not a 777?

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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:37 am

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PK234, a 77W from Dubai, has just landed at Mazar I Sharif. It came in from the north and avoided as much Afghan airspace as possible
did you grab a screenshot?

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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:33 am

AP-BHV just heading back into Uzbek airspace
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:25 am

Just saw two E-3C‘s on their way in the Gulf of Oman but then one of them disappeared on flightradar24. I didn’t see such aircraft the days before, correct me if I am wrong.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:04 pm

The Kam Air A340 has left Mazir i sharif, going south? Qatar?
https://fr24.com/KMF4465/28f6e2e1

Qatar Air Force landing in Kabul
https://fr24.com/LHOB255/28f6e247
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:10 pm

A330MRTT of the RAF headed to Kabul?
https://fr24.com/NAG99/28f71cb1
 
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Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:19 pm

This is interesting! I found the 777, now noted as being a PIA plane, left Mazir-i-Sharif to the north, flying around Afghanistan??
https://fr24.com/28f703be


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Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:32 pm

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PIA taking the long way home, while Kam Air fly straight across the country
 
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Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:42 pm

oschkosch wrote:
This is interesting! I found the 777, now noted as being a PIA plane, left Mazir-i-Sharif to the north, flying around Afghanistan??
https://fr24.com/28f703be


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It was delivering WHO medical supplies.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:47 pm

Looks like https://www.flightradar24.com/MOOSE49/28f6d775 has turned around after holding for a while near Kabul. Perhaps not safe to land or unable due to congestion?

edit: it just disappeared from FR24. Will probably pick up later.
 
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Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:07 pm

flutter wrote:
Looks like https://www.flightradar24.com/MOOSE49/28f6d775 has turned around after holding for a while near Kabul. Perhaps not safe to land or unable due to congestion?

edit: it just disappeared from FR24. Will probably pick up later.


It now appears to be flying back to KWI. Does anyone know why it overflew Afghanistan near the Pakistani border...instead of flying (from the Kabul area) the short distance to Pakistan before turning SW, thereby avoiding Afghan airspace?
 
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Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:34 pm

Just noticed this US registered beechcraft flying from what appears to be ISB south (towards Karachi) with the call sign FRHAD60. Some kind of US special forces or humanitarian flight?

FRHAD60 https://fr24.com/FRHAD60/28f77897

Also noticed the Qatar Airways liveried Globemaster in the Afghan airspace earlier. Thought that was interesting given the fact I thought it didn't necessarily operate regular military movement flights. Tho..I guess there's nothing really normal about what's happening currently.
 
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Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:41 pm

Western727 wrote:
flutter wrote:
Looks like https://www.flightradar24.com/MOOSE49/28f6d775 has turned around after holding for a while near Kabul. Perhaps not safe to land or unable due to congestion?

edit: it just disappeared from FR24. Will probably pick up later.


It now appears to be flying back to KWI. Does anyone know why it overflew Afghanistan near the Pakistani border...instead of flying (from the Kabul area) the short distance to Pakistan before turning SW, thereby avoiding Afghan airspace?


That is the standard route for most USAF aircraft into and out of Afghanistan. I presume at least one reason is so they don't have to deal with anyone else for ATC.
 
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Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:47 pm

bhxdtw wrote:
Just noticed this US registered beechcraft flying from what appears to be ISB south (towards Karachi) with the call sign FRHAD60. Some kind of US special forces or humanitarian flight?

FRHAD60 https://fr24.com/FRHAD60/28f77897

Also noticed the Qatar Airways liveried Globemaster in the Afghan airspace earlier. Thought that was interesting given the fact I thought it didn't necessarily operate regular military movement flights. Tho..I guess there's nothing really normal about what's happening currently.


Maybe something to do with the collaboration on operating the airport? It looked like it stopped on the civilian side near the terminal.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:03 pm

mjgbtv wrote:
Western727 wrote:
flutter wrote:
Looks like https://www.flightradar24.com/MOOSE49/28f6d775 has turned around after holding for a while near Kabul. Perhaps not safe to land or unable due to congestion?

edit: it just disappeared from FR24. Will probably pick up later.


It now appears to be flying back to KWI. Does anyone know why it overflew Afghanistan near the Pakistani border...instead of flying (from the Kabul area) the short distance to Pakistan before turning SW, thereby avoiding Afghan airspace?


That is the standard route for most USAF aircraft into and out of Afghanistan. I presume at least one reason is so they don't have to deal with anyone else for ATC.


That's what I figured as well, but they do overfly Pakistan for part of the flight, anyway, so why not just avoid Afghanistan nearly entirely if it makes little difference in the route?
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:45 pm

YA-KMK a Kam Air 733 also departed Mazar I Sharif this afternoon, routing over Turkmenistan
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:27 pm

Diplomatic efforts are about to start with countries round Afghanistan to resume evacuation operations despite the upcoming US withdrawal. We might see some more civilian charters after all...

https://nltimes.nl/2021/08/30/dutch-for ... stan-qatar
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:41 pm

Stupid question for the Mazar-i-sharif flights:
Who's doing ATC and ground operations? I thought that the allied forces handed over the airfield to Afghan forces, but with Taliban taking over most of the country (and probably having little experience with running an airport) I'm surprised that large commercial aircraft can be serviced so easily.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:19 pm

Sounds like the last US plane is out:

https://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/status ... 6005499905
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:44 pm

blockski wrote:
Sounds like the last US plane is out:

https://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/status ... 6005499905

That would be great news. I was really concerned..

I just see not less than five Stratotankers flying back to the Gulf of Oman…
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:49 pm

The app version of FR24 showed civilian flight UA830 (30Aug) as having just flown over Afghan airspace. Apologies if clarified already but is that an error or are civilian flights still overflying?
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:57 pm

N14AZ wrote:
blockski wrote:
Sounds like the last US plane is out:

https://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/status ... 6005499905

That would be great news. I was really concerned..

I just see not less than five Stratotankers flying back to the Gulf of Oman…

Now even seven! Amazing and congratulations!
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:04 pm

Might have missed, but this is all outgoing (almost all already out of Afghanistan airspace)

KC-135R 58-0124
KC-135R 61-0134
KC-135R 61-0310
KC-135R 62-3554
KC-135R 63-7976
KC-135R 62-3554
KC-135R 62-3512 SHELL20

KC-135T 60-0343

C17 07-7181 MOOSE85
C17 09-9211 MOOSE81
C17 07-7185 MOOSE94
C17 07-7173 MOOSE88
C17 08-8197 MOOSE86
C17 07-7182 X
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:18 pm

alan3 wrote:
The app version of FR24 showed civilian flight UA830 (30Aug) as having just flown over Afghan airspace. Apologies if clarified already but is that an error or are civilian flights still overflying?


United's BOM-EWR, DEL-EWR, DEL-SFO flights all fly over the Afghan's Wakhan corridor both coming and going. That's the jutt of land that follows a valley to the China border. They've been doing that for quite a while including during this evacuation. Must be no threat on that route and it's only for about 5 minutes over the land.
 
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Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:18 pm

RetiredWeasel wrote:
alan3 wrote:
The app version of FR24 showed civilian flight UA830 (30Aug) as having just flown over Afghan airspace. Apologies if clarified already but is that an error or are civilian flights still overflying?


United's BOM-EWR, DEL-EWR, DEL-SFO flights all fly over the Afghan's Wakhan corridor both coming and going. That's the jutt of land that follows a valley to the China border. They've been doing that for quite a while including during this evacuation. Must be no threat on that route and it's only for about 5 minutes over the land.


IIRC, the airspace above that strip of Afghan land isn't even controlled by Afghanistan; the ATC functions are performed by Dushanbe.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:53 am

RetiredWeasel wrote:
alan3 wrote:
The app version of FR24 showed civilian flight UA830 (30Aug) as having just flown over Afghan airspace. Apologies if clarified already but is that an error or are civilian flights still overflying?


United's BOM-EWR, DEL-EWR, DEL-SFO flights all fly over the Afghan's Wakhan corridor both coming and going. That's the jutt of land that follows a valley to the China border. They've been doing that for quite a while including during this evacuation. Must be no threat on that route and it's only for about 5 minutes over the land.


The north/south airway that overflies the area (P500/G500) is an exception to the current FAA Afghanistan overflight prohibition. See item C in the current security NOTAM:

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publica ... UL_FIR.pdf
 
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Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:16 am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news

The image shows an A310 of Ariana.

I think it is YA-CAV which was parked earlier this year.

According to planespotters, the other A310 YA-CAQ has been parked since 2017. However, I can find no recent pictures of it. Does anyone know if it has been scrapped?.

According to https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/qrm7gr
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:52 am

A332 MRTT once again departed EIN for the Middle East, possibly somewhere in the UAE or ISB again...

https://fr24.com/MMF54/28f98d65
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:07 pm

Just curious... How did USAF "disabled" those 73 aircraft left at Kabul airport? As they said those are "rendered useless" and "will never fly again"... Do they physically disable them, or there is some other standard and sophisticated procedure for this? Thanks.
 
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Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:26 pm

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Just curious... How did USAF "disabled" those 73 aircraft left at Kabul airport? As they said those are "rendered useless" and "will never fly again"... Do they physically disable them, or there is some other standard and sophisticated procedure for this? Thanks.


From what I read, there was quite a bit at the airport already (before evacuations) that was "broken" already .. I am far from an expert.. I assume they cannibalized them by removing parts and damaging them.

Here's a video of a journalist who's been in the airport since the pullout. You can see gashes, what clearly looks like parts removed. Who knows what the exact condition of them beforehand, and perhaps they were further damaged just because, or if there was other various ways things were "demilitarized'.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1432653143133892608

I am sure there are far smarter people here who will weigh in.
 
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Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:36 pm

bennett123 wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news

The image shows an A310 of Ariana.

I think it is YA-CAV which was parked earlier this year.

According to planespotters, the other A310 YA-CAQ has been parked since 2017. However, I can find no recent pictures of it. Does anyone know if it has been scrapped?.

According to https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/qrm7gr

I believe YA-CAQ is/parked on the other side of the airport, Kam Air B762 is also half scrapped there. Most of Ariana older fleet An-32 and B727 are also dumped there.
 
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Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:43 pm

Looks like Ukrainian Wings reactivated their 763ER UR-CSX to bring refugees from Tbilisi to Skopje last night. UR-CSX was previously leased to Kam Air prior to lease return, still in Kam Air colour when the flight was done last night.

https://twitter.com/Bujar_O/status/1432494988814921732

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ur-csx
 
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Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:45 pm

The Story Of The Mysterious White 727 That Appeared In Kabul After The Bombing Of Abbey Gate

The old 727 showing up among the military transports at Kabul International drew a lot of interest among flight trackers and open-source intel gurus.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... abbey-gate
 
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Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:50 pm

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news

The image shows an A310 of Ariana.

I think it is YA-CAV which was parked earlier this year.

According to planespotters, the other A310 YA-CAQ has been parked since 2017. However, I can find no recent pictures of it. Does anyone know if it has been scrapped?.

According to https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/qrm7gr

I believe YA-CAQ is/parked on the other side of the airport, Kam Air B762 is also half scrapped there. Most of Ariana older fleet An-32 and B727 are also dumped there.


I looked at google maps, and could not see them, that is why I assumed they had been scrapped.
 
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Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:52 pm

Over 300 people on a 727. Twice with the risk of AOG forever . Amazing. IIRC there were 727's airlifting folks during the fall of S Vietnam 46 years ago too.
 
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Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:11 am

RetiredWeasel wrote:
alan3 wrote:
The app version of FR24 showed civilian flight UA830 (30Aug) as having just flown over Afghan airspace. Apologies if clarified already but is that an error or are civilian flights still overflying?


United's BOM-EWR, DEL-EWR, DEL-SFO flights all fly over the Afghan's Wakhan corridor both coming and going. That's the jutt of land that follows a valley to the China border. They've been doing that for quite a while including during this evacuation. Must be no threat on that route and it's only for about 5 minutes over the land.


The Afghanistan 'panhandle'. Like a reverse Oklahoma. Always thought it odd that this strip isn't claimed by Pakistan, India, and/or China, unlike so much other nearby territory.
 
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Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:13 am

MohawkWeekend wrote:
Over 300 people on a 727. Twice with the risk of AOG forever . Amazing. IIRC there were 727's airlifting folks during the fall of S Vietnam 46 years ago too.


Yes, the famous one was a World Airways 727 with about three times the normal pax load lumbering off from Da Nang for Saigon, people in the wheel wells, etc. Pilots flew low with the gear extended to keep them alive. I'm sure there are pictures on the net.
 
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Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:03 am

bennett123 wrote:
RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news

The image shows an A310 of Ariana.

I think it is YA-CAV which was parked earlier this year.

According to planespotters, the other A310 YA-CAQ has been parked since 2017. However, I can find no recent pictures of it. Does anyone know if it has been scrapped?.

According to https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/qrm7gr

I believe YA-CAQ is/parked on the other side of the airport, Kam Air B762 is also half scrapped there. Most of Ariana older fleet An-32 and B727 are also dumped there.


I looked at google maps, and could not see them, that is why I assumed they had been scrapped.

Understand your circumstances, it is very difficult to track airframe movement in that particular region. Libya as well. Those Google images we have seen might not be the latest or they are/were obscured for security reason. Usually I would scour the internet many times over for some photo.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:30 am

mga707 wrote:
RetiredWeasel wrote:
alan3 wrote:
The app version of FR24 showed civilian flight UA830 (30Aug) as having just flown over Afghan airspace. Apologies if clarified already but is that an error or are civilian flights still overflying?


United's BOM-EWR, DEL-EWR, DEL-SFO flights all fly over the Afghan's Wakhan corridor both coming and going. That's the jutt of land that follows a valley to the China border. They've been doing that for quite a while including during this evacuation. Must be no threat on that route and it's only for about 5 minutes over the land.


The Afghanistan 'panhandle'. Like a reverse Oklahoma. Always thought it odd that this strip isn't claimed by Pakistan, India, and/or China, unlike so much other nearby territory.


Probably a relic of the "Great Game". A border region, separating Russian Empire and British Raj, so they don't come in actual contact. Russia, for example, hated the idea of sharing a border with British Empire, and always felt insecure with those. One of the reasons they sold Alaska -- it wasn't defensible in a dust-up with Brits, and that was seen as inevitable pretty much until 1905. So the treaties defining borders in that corner of the world must be iron-clad, and dating from Qing Empire/Russian Empire/British Raj/Afghan Kingdom times. Just a hypothesis.
 
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Wed Sep 01, 2021 12:34 pm

Phosphorus wrote:
mga707 wrote:
RetiredWeasel wrote:

United's BOM-EWR, DEL-EWR, DEL-SFO flights all fly over the Afghan's Wakhan corridor both coming and going. That's the jutt of land that follows a valley to the China border. They've been doing that for quite a while including during this evacuation. Must be no threat on that route and it's only for about 5 minutes over the land.


The Afghanistan 'panhandle'. Like a reverse Oklahoma. Always thought it odd that this strip isn't claimed by Pakistan, India, and/or China, unlike so much other nearby territory.


Probably a relic of the "Great Game". A border region, separating Russian Empire and British Raj, so they don't come in actual contact. Russia, for example, hated the idea of sharing a border with British Empire, and always felt insecure with those. One of the reasons they sold Alaska -- it wasn't defensible in a dust-up with Brits, and that was seen as inevitable pretty much until 1905. So the treaties defining borders in that corner of the world must be iron-clad, and dating from Qing Empire/Russian Empire/British Raj/Afghan Kingdom times. Just a hypothesis.

A relic of the British Empire more specifically, regarding the border, which is known as the Durand Line.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durand_Line
 
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Wed Sep 01, 2021 12:57 pm

Breathe wrote:
Phosphorus wrote:
mga707 wrote:

The Afghanistan 'panhandle'. Like a reverse Oklahoma. Always thought it odd that this strip isn't claimed by Pakistan, India, and/or China, unlike so much other nearby territory.


Probably a relic of the "Great Game". A border region, separating Russian Empire and British Raj, so they don't come in actual contact. Russia, for example, hated the idea of sharing a border with British Empire, and always felt insecure with those. One of the reasons they sold Alaska -- it wasn't defensible in a dust-up with Brits, and that was seen as inevitable pretty much until 1905. So the treaties defining borders in that corner of the world must be iron-clad, and dating from Qing Empire/Russian Empire/British Raj/Afghan Kingdom times. Just a hypothesis.

A relic of the British Empire more specifically, regarding the border, which is known as the Durand Line.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durand_Line

That's the southern border of that panhandle, with the British Raj. So that would be the border Pakistan and India would subscribe to.
There is also northern border of the same -- originally with Russian Empire, then with USSR, now with Tajikistan. Durand line would not explain why that border was intact. In USSR, armchair geopoliticians would always fritter how silly USSR bosses were to simply not march trough that panhandle of Afghanistan, smash through similar panhandle of Pakistan, and finally link up with "friend and ally" India.
There's also eastern border of the same -- with China. Again, nothing to do with Durand line. And again, doesn't explain why China maps in the area do not extend their claim beyond their real current borders (as they very often do on pretty much their all other borders).
 
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Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:07 pm

An update on the future commercial operations for KBL

...Here is a look at the future of Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul:

Who is going to run security?

Attacks in the past week have shown the airport is a target for terrorists, so security is the primary concern.

The United States took control of the airport to manage the evacuation of tens of thousands of people with help from other countries, coming under attack by the Islamic State group's Afghanistan-Pakistan chapter.

Turkey had offered to run security following the withdrawal of foreign troops, but the Taliban repeatedly said they would not accept any foreign military presence after August 31.

"Our fighters and special forces are capable of controlling the airport and we do not need anyone's help for the security and administrative control of the Kabul airport," Taliban spokesman Bilal Karimi told AFP on Monday.

However, Michael Kugelman, a South Asia specialist at the Wilson Center think tank in Washington, said a foreign security presence would be necessary if airlines were to return, and that a deal could yet be struck.

"You're looking at a very volatile environment security-wise," he told AFP.

"There are all kinds of alarm bells that should be sounding for commercial airlines that I imagine would not be comfortable getting into the airport."

Qatar's foreign minister, Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman al-Thani, told the Financial Times the Gulf state was urging the Taliban to accept foreign help.

"What we are trying to explain to them is that airport safety and security requires a lot more than securing the perimeters of the airport," he said.

Who will operate the airport's logistics?

As far as the United States is concerned, State Department spokesman Ned Price said on Friday that it was "essentially giving the airport back to the Afghan people."

In recent weeks NATO has played a key role, with civilian personnel taking care of air traffic control, fuel supplies and communications.

Like with security, there were discussions with Turkey over running logistics.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said his country was still assessing the Islamist group's offer, but with the Taliban insisting on controlling security, Erdogan appeared to drop the idea.

"Let's say you took over the security but how would we explain to the world if another bloodbath takes place there?" he said.

Running and maintaining an airport is complex and requires expertise.

With thousands of skilled workers believed to have fled the country -- despite Taliban pleas for them to stay -- questions remain over whether there will be enough trained workers left in the Afghan capital.

What state is the airport in?

US officials have said the airport is in a bad condition, with much of its basic infrastructure degraded or destroyed.

A pilot told AFP the terminal building was trashed by passengers during the chaos of the early days of the Taliban takeover.

As well as the passenger halls, critical infrastructure has been destroyed, including air traffic control terminals, which will need to be replaced for commercial flights to run again.

On the plus side, the two-week mass evacuation campaign has shown that the airport's runways are at least operational, if in poor condition.

Will commercial flights restart?

The Taliban have insisted they want to keep the civilian airport open, but without guarantees over security, commercial airlines simply won't operate out of Kabul.

"You're looking at a perfect storm of risks for airlines," Kugelman said.

A key incentive to operate a functional airport would be the boost it would give to the Taliban's international image.

"If the Taliban's looking to get recognition and legitimacy from governments around the world, then it has to have a working, safe, trusted airport in place," Kugelman added.

But it is likely to take time....


https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacifi ... -s-airport
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:13 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
The Story Of The Mysterious White 727 That Appeared In Kabul After The Bombing Of Abbey Gate

The old 727 showing up among the military transports at Kabul International drew a lot of interest among flight trackers and open-source intel gurus.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... abbey-gate


It departed Kulob this morning, crossing north east Afghanistan, and then south over Pakistan.

It's now in Muscat
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:40 pm

mga707 wrote:
MohawkWeekend wrote:
Over 300 people on a 727. Twice with the risk of AOG forever . Amazing. IIRC there were 727's airlifting folks during the fall of S Vietnam 46 years ago too.


Yes, the famous one was a World Airways 727 with about three times the normal pax load lumbering off from Da Nang for Saigon, people in the wheel wells, etc. Pilots flew low with the gear extended to keep them alive. I'm sure there are pictures on the net.

Managed to find this thread viewtopic.php?t=411799 It has some great detials of the incident.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:12 pm

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
mga707 wrote:
MohawkWeekend wrote:
Over 300 people on a 727. Twice with the risk of AOG forever . Amazing. IIRC there were 727's airlifting folks during the fall of S Vietnam 46 years ago too.


Yes, the famous one was a World Airways 727 with about three times the normal pax load lumbering off from Da Nang for Saigon, people in the wheel wells, etc. Pilots flew low with the gear extended to keep them alive. I'm sure there are pictures on the net.

Managed to find this thread viewtopic.php?t=411799 It has some great detials of the incident.


I just re-read a description of the flight in a good, long out-of-print book I have titled "The Being 727 Scrapbook", by Len and Terry Morgan (1978). The Captain estimated that the 727-100 was overloaded by 20,000 lbs. and carried around 360 people--268 in the cabin and the rest stuffed into the baggage bins and clinging to the wheel wells. And the gear was left down not just to avoid crushing people in the wheel wells but also because the main gear and flaps were damaged by a grenade tossed by South Vietnamese troops who were attempting to storm the plane and force their way aboard, as North Vietnamese forces were about to take over the Da Nang airport. Flight was made at 10,000 ft., with barely enough fuel aboard to reach Saigon at that altitude. Quite a tale!
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:26 am

KBL reopens - Ariana is now resuming their 737 flights to KDH, HEA and MZR. Also QR already flew in a commercial 777 into KBL to aid in restarting operations.

https://youtu.be/watlb4HzSxc
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:32 am

 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:00 am

2 Qatar Planes, the First one is military, the other is a 777, which has now just crossed the border and look at the route.

https://www.flightradar24.com/LHOB249/290c0646

https://www.flightradar24.com/QTR7276/290c0e36



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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:27 am

oschkosch wrote:
2 Qatar Planes, the First one is military, the other is a 777, which has now just crossed the border and look at the route.

https://www.flightradar24.com/LHOB249/290c0646

https://www.flightradar24.com/QTR7276/290c0e36



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I believe the 777 at least is bringing medical and other humanitarian supplies.
 
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Re: Kabul Falls: Evacuation Charter Watch Thread

Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:55 am

We have an RAAF (Australian) C130 on its way?
https://fr24.com/MAMBO30/290f08c8

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