LH982 wrote:

PK234, a 77W from Dubai, has just landed at Mazar I Sharif. It came in from the north and avoided as much Afghan airspace as possible

oschkosch wrote:

This is interesting! I found the 777, now noted as being a PIA plane, left Mazir-i-Sharif to the north, flying around Afghanistan??
https://fr24.com/28f703be



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flutter wrote:

Looks like https://www.flightradar24.com/MOOSE49/28f6d775 has turned around after holding for a while near Kabul. Perhaps not safe to land or unable due to congestion?

edit: it just disappeared from FR24. Will probably pick up later.

Western727 wrote:

flutter wrote:

Looks like https://www.flightradar24.com/MOOSE49/28f6d775 has turned around after holding for a while near Kabul. Perhaps not safe to land or unable due to congestion?

edit: it just disappeared from FR24. Will probably pick up later.

It now appears to be flying back to KWI. Does anyone know why it overflew Afghanistan near the Pakistani border...instead of flying (from the Kabul area) the short distance to Pakistan before turning SW, thereby avoiding Afghan airspace?

bhxdtw wrote:

Just noticed this US registered beechcraft flying from what appears to be ISB south (towards Karachi) with the call sign FRHAD60. Some kind of US special forces or humanitarian flight?

FRHAD60 https://fr24.com/FRHAD60/28f77897

Also noticed the Qatar Airways liveried Globemaster in the Afghan airspace earlier. Thought that was interesting given the fact I thought it didn't necessarily operate regular military movement flights. Tho..I guess there's nothing really normal about what's happening currently.

mjgbtv wrote:

Western727 wrote:

flutter wrote:

Looks like https://www.flightradar24.com/MOOSE49/28f6d775 has turned around after holding for a while near Kabul. Perhaps not safe to land or unable due to congestion?

edit: it just disappeared from FR24. Will probably pick up later.

It now appears to be flying back to KWI. Does anyone know why it overflew Afghanistan near the Pakistani border...instead of flying (from the Kabul area) the short distance to Pakistan before turning SW, thereby avoiding Afghan airspace?

That is the standard route for most USAF aircraft into and out of Afghanistan. I presume at least one reason is so they don't have to deal with anyone else for ATC.

blockski wrote:

Sounds like the last US plane is out:

https://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/status ... 6005499905

N14AZ wrote:

blockski wrote:

Sounds like the last US plane is out:

https://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/status ... 6005499905

That would be great news. I was really concerned..

I just see not less than five Stratotankers flying back to the Gulf of Oman…

alan3 wrote:

The app version of FR24 showed civilian flight UA830 (30Aug) as having just flown over Afghan airspace. Apologies if clarified already but is that an error or are civilian flights still overflying?

RetiredWeasel wrote:

alan3 wrote:

The app version of FR24 showed civilian flight UA830 (30Aug) as having just flown over Afghan airspace. Apologies if clarified already but is that an error or are civilian flights still overflying?

United's BOM-EWR, DEL-EWR, DEL-SFO flights all fly over the Afghan's Wakhan corridor both coming and going. That's the jutt of land that follows a valley to the China border. They've been doing that for quite a while including during this evacuation. Must be no threat on that route and it's only for about 5 minutes over the land.

RetiredWeasel wrote:

alan3 wrote:

The app version of FR24 showed civilian flight UA830 (30Aug) as having just flown over Afghan airspace. Apologies if clarified already but is that an error or are civilian flights still overflying?

United's BOM-EWR, DEL-EWR, DEL-SFO flights all fly over the Afghan's Wakhan corridor both coming and going. That's the jutt of land that follows a valley to the China border. They've been doing that for quite a while including during this evacuation. Must be no threat on that route and it's only for about 5 minutes over the land.

sallecc wrote:

Just curious... How did USAF "disabled" those 73 aircraft left at Kabul airport? As they said those are "rendered useless" and "will never fly again"... Do they physically disable them, or there is some other standard and sophisticated procedure for this? Thanks.

bennett123 wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news

The image shows an A310 of Ariana.

I think it is YA-CAV which was parked earlier this year.

According to planespotters, the other A310 YA-CAQ has been parked since 2017. However, I can find no recent pictures of it. Does anyone know if it has been scrapped?.

According to https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/qrm7gr

RetiredWeasel wrote:

alan3 wrote:

The app version of FR24 showed civilian flight UA830 (30Aug) as having just flown over Afghan airspace. Apologies if clarified already but is that an error or are civilian flights still overflying?

United's BOM-EWR, DEL-EWR, DEL-SFO flights all fly over the Afghan's Wakhan corridor both coming and going. That's the jutt of land that follows a valley to the China border. They've been doing that for quite a while including during this evacuation. Must be no threat on that route and it's only for about 5 minutes over the land.

MohawkWeekend wrote:

Over 300 people on a 727. Twice with the risk of AOG forever . Amazing. IIRC there were 727's airlifting folks during the fall of S Vietnam 46 years ago too.

bennett123 wrote:

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:

bennett123 wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news

The image shows an A310 of Ariana.

I think it is YA-CAV which was parked earlier this year.

According to planespotters, the other A310 YA-CAQ has been parked since 2017. However, I can find no recent pictures of it. Does anyone know if it has been scrapped?.

According to https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/qrm7gr

I believe YA-CAQ is/parked on the other side of the airport, Kam Air B762 is also half scrapped there. Most of Ariana older fleet An-32 and B727 are also dumped there.

I looked at google maps, and could not see them, that is why I assumed they had been scrapped.

mga707 wrote:

RetiredWeasel wrote:

alan3 wrote:

The app version of FR24 showed civilian flight UA830 (30Aug) as having just flown over Afghan airspace. Apologies if clarified already but is that an error or are civilian flights still overflying?

United's BOM-EWR, DEL-EWR, DEL-SFO flights all fly over the Afghan's Wakhan corridor both coming and going. That's the jutt of land that follows a valley to the China border. They've been doing that for quite a while including during this evacuation. Must be no threat on that route and it's only for about 5 minutes over the land.

The Afghanistan 'panhandle'. Like a reverse Oklahoma. Always thought it odd that this strip isn't claimed by Pakistan, India, and/or China, unlike so much other nearby territory.

Phosphorus wrote:

mga707 wrote:

RetiredWeasel wrote:

United's BOM-EWR, DEL-EWR, DEL-SFO flights all fly over the Afghan's Wakhan corridor both coming and going. That's the jutt of land that follows a valley to the China border. They've been doing that for quite a while including during this evacuation. Must be no threat on that route and it's only for about 5 minutes over the land.

The Afghanistan 'panhandle'. Like a reverse Oklahoma. Always thought it odd that this strip isn't claimed by Pakistan, India, and/or China, unlike so much other nearby territory.

Probably a relic of the "Great Game". A border region, separating Russian Empire and British Raj, so they don't come in actual contact. Russia, for example, hated the idea of sharing a border with British Empire, and always felt insecure with those. One of the reasons they sold Alaska -- it wasn't defensible in a dust-up with Brits, and that was seen as inevitable pretty much until 1905. So the treaties defining borders in that corner of the world must be iron-clad, and dating from Qing Empire/Russian Empire/British Raj/Afghan Kingdom times. Just a hypothesis.

Breathe wrote:

Phosphorus wrote:

mga707 wrote:

The Afghanistan 'panhandle'. Like a reverse Oklahoma. Always thought it odd that this strip isn't claimed by Pakistan, India, and/or China, unlike so much other nearby territory.

Probably a relic of the "Great Game". A border region, separating Russian Empire and British Raj, so they don't come in actual contact. Russia, for example, hated the idea of sharing a border with British Empire, and always felt insecure with those. One of the reasons they sold Alaska -- it wasn't defensible in a dust-up with Brits, and that was seen as inevitable pretty much until 1905. So the treaties defining borders in that corner of the world must be iron-clad, and dating from Qing Empire/Russian Empire/British Raj/Afghan Kingdom times. Just a hypothesis.

A relic of the British Empire more specifically, regarding the border, which is known as the Durand Line.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durand_Line

...Here is a look at the future of Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul:

Who is going to run security?

Attacks in the past week have shown the airport is a target for terrorists, so security is the primary concern.

The United States took control of the airport to manage the evacuation of tens of thousands of people with help from other countries, coming under attack by the Islamic State group's Afghanistan-Pakistan chapter.

Turkey had offered to run security following the withdrawal of foreign troops, but the Taliban repeatedly said they would not accept any foreign military presence after August 31.

"Our fighters and special forces are capable of controlling the airport and we do not need anyone's help for the security and administrative control of the Kabul airport," Taliban spokesman Bilal Karimi told AFP on Monday.

However, Michael Kugelman, a South Asia specialist at the Wilson Center think tank in Washington, said a foreign security presence would be necessary if airlines were to return, and that a deal could yet be struck.

"You're looking at a very volatile environment security-wise," he told AFP.

"There are all kinds of alarm bells that should be sounding for commercial airlines that I imagine would not be comfortable getting into the airport."

Qatar's foreign minister, Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman al-Thani, told the Financial Times the Gulf state was urging the Taliban to accept foreign help.

"What we are trying to explain to them is that airport safety and security requires a lot more than securing the perimeters of the airport," he said.

Who will operate the airport's logistics?

As far as the United States is concerned, State Department spokesman Ned Price said on Friday that it was "essentially giving the airport back to the Afghan people."

In recent weeks NATO has played a key role, with civilian personnel taking care of air traffic control, fuel supplies and communications.

Like with security, there were discussions with Turkey over running logistics.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said his country was still assessing the Islamist group's offer, but with the Taliban insisting on controlling security, Erdogan appeared to drop the idea.

"Let's say you took over the security but how would we explain to the world if another bloodbath takes place there?" he said.

Running and maintaining an airport is complex and requires expertise.

With thousands of skilled workers believed to have fled the country -- despite Taliban pleas for them to stay -- questions remain over whether there will be enough trained workers left in the Afghan capital.

What state is the airport in?

US officials have said the airport is in a bad condition, with much of its basic infrastructure degraded or destroyed.

A pilot told AFP the terminal building was trashed by passengers during the chaos of the early days of the Taliban takeover.

As well as the passenger halls, critical infrastructure has been destroyed, including air traffic control terminals, which will need to be replaced for commercial flights to run again.

On the plus side, the two-week mass evacuation campaign has shown that the airport's runways are at least operational, if in poor condition.

Will commercial flights restart?

The Taliban have insisted they want to keep the civilian airport open, but without guarantees over security, commercial airlines simply won't operate out of Kabul.

"You're looking at a perfect storm of risks for airlines," Kugelman said.

A key incentive to operate a functional airport would be the boost it would give to the Taliban's international image.

"If the Taliban's looking to get recognition and legitimacy from governments around the world, then it has to have a working, safe, trusted airport in place," Kugelman added.

But it is likely to take time....

Boof02671 wrote:

The Story Of The Mysterious White 727 That Appeared In Kabul After The Bombing Of Abbey Gate

The old 727 showing up among the military transports at Kabul International drew a lot of interest among flight trackers and open-source intel gurus.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... abbey-gate

mga707 wrote:

MohawkWeekend wrote:

Over 300 people on a 727. Twice with the risk of AOG forever . Amazing. IIRC there were 727's airlifting folks during the fall of S Vietnam 46 years ago too.

Yes, the famous one was a World Airways 727 with about three times the normal pax load lumbering off from Da Nang for Saigon, people in the wheel wells, etc. Pilots flew low with the gear extended to keep them alive. I'm sure there are pictures on the net.

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:

mga707 wrote:

MohawkWeekend wrote:

Over 300 people on a 727. Twice with the risk of AOG forever . Amazing. IIRC there were 727's airlifting folks during the fall of S Vietnam 46 years ago too.

Yes, the famous one was a World Airways 727 with about three times the normal pax load lumbering off from Da Nang for Saigon, people in the wheel wells, etc. Pilots flew low with the gear extended to keep them alive. I'm sure there are pictures on the net.

Managed to find this thread viewtopic.php?t=411799 It has some great detials of the incident.

oschkosch wrote:

2 Qatar Planes, the First one is military, the other is a 777, which has now just crossed the border and look at the route.

https://www.flightradar24.com/LHOB249/290c0646

https://www.flightradar24.com/QTR7276/290c0e36



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