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"Airbus Airlines": Airbus Company Shuttle XFW/TLS

Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:02 pm

Airbus has been shuttling employeed between various plants for many years. Those shuttle flights are operated by commercial airlines. The most important route is between TLS and XFW (there are/have been others, of course , such as FZO-TLS, BRE-TLS or BRE-XFW-FZO)

I have been able to find out this operational history of the XFW-service:

1991 - 1994 Conti Flug BAe 146-200
1994 -1994 Hamburg Airlines BAe 146-100 (interim operation after Conti-Flug folded)
.... ??
1999 - 2003 WDL BAe 146-100/200
2003 - 2008 PrivatAir A319
2008 - 2011 OLT Fokker 100
2011 - 2019 Germania A319
2019 --2019 Germania Flug, Titan, HiFly (interim operation after Germania folded)
since 2019 Volotea A319

I have three questions regarding the operation:

1) Was it operated before 1991 when Conti-Flug started? I seem to remember that it was operated by a German airline (WDL?) with turboprops in the late 1980s before Conti-Flug took over on behalf of MBB/Deutsche Airbus, but I doubt that in the pre-narrowbody days there was demand for a dedicated shuttle. So I think we are looking at 1987/88 as the earliest start date.

2) Who operated between 1994 and 2003? Apparently WDL, who had introduced its first BAe 146 the year before, took over with BAe 146s in 1999. As for the time between 1995 and 1999, I have been able to find some information that Lufthansa Cityline was angling for the contract in the mid 1990s.

3) When did it become a two-aircraft operation with morning flights from both TLS and XFW? It has been as such at least since the PrivatAir days, but I am not sure about the years before that.
 
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Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:28 pm

ad 1: There were flights between XFW and TLS before 1991. I remember an F28 leaving TLS around 11:00 on Monday, Wednesday and Friday, returning from XFW around 14:00. Was it TAT? I used it a few times, but I don't remember. Was there even an F27 before that? At XFW there was no terminal building at that time, the check-in was done in the basement in H14. In TLS they operated from the Aerospatiale plant, not the Airport as today, if I remember correctly.

ad 2: Yes, LH Cityline operated a CRJ100 for a while. That A/C did TLS-MUC and back after arrival in TLS, and almost always returned to TLS with a lot of delay. I also remember flying on a Hapag-Lloyd flight HAM to PMI that dropped Airbus employees at TLS. That was just after the end of Contiflug, and probably because Hapag-Lloyd was the travel agent organizing those flights at that time.

ad 3: I think it started during the WDL time. I remember one BAe146 with 5 abreast and the other one with 6 abreast.


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Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:21 pm

Thanks, brilliant. Fascinating infomation. Maybe the service was operated in-house in the 1980s if a Fokker 28 was used?

As you were using the shuttle 1994ish, do you remember anything about the Hamburg Airlines operation? Apparently they used a Bae 146-100 from September to the end of November, leased from Manx (G-OJET), before their their first own BAe 146-300 took over. As this aircaft was leased for IT-charters that began in April 1995, I assume that the whole operation merely lasted half a year before a new "regular" operator took over. This indeed appears to have been Cityline. I just had a look at an article about the Conti-Flug history and it says that in July 1994 Conti faced trouble when the Airbus contract was awarded to Cityline with effect April 1995. I am surprised that Airbus was happy with rather cramped 50seaters as the Conti Flug aircraft had more capacity at a very relaxed seat pitch (apparently 79 seats in a BAe 146-200). Would have expected that Cityline offered one of their then new Avro RJ85s for the contract.
 
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Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:30 pm

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I am surprised that Airbus was happy with rather cramped 50seaters as the Conti Flug aircraft had more capacity at a very relaxed seat pitch (apparently 79 seats in a BAe 146-200). Would have expected that Cityline offered one of their then new Avro RJ85s for the contract.

Airbus is more concerned with cost (and that it is operated by Airbus equipment now) than service and comfort.
 
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Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:39 pm

Well, that was not necessarily the case 25 years ago. Contiflug had a 5-abreast, 79 seat BAe 146-200 (and between 2003 and 2008 Private Air operated with 126 seat A319s).
 
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Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:43 pm

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Was it TAT? I used it a few times, but I don't remember.

What?!? You had the chance to fly on a TAT F28 and you dare to post here that you don’t remember?!? Moderators! Ban him! :old:
Just kidding… ;-) thank you for your insights. Didn’t even know that these shuttle flights started that early…
 
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Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:45 pm

The LH CRJ100 operated in "Dolores" times (dollar low rescue), when Airbus Germany (DASA at that time, I believe) almost saved themselves to death. They tried to reduce business flights, but in fact the CRJ100 was always packed and a lot of people had to travel on other scheduled flights.

I don't remember Hamburg Airlines on that route. But I do remember a lot of changes between Contiflug and WDL operation.


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Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:58 pm

N14AZ wrote:
Just kidding… ;-) thank you for your insights. Didn’t even know that these shuttle flights started that early…


Business trips to Toulouse were relaxed at that time. For a 1/2 day meeting or a full day of testing in TLS (only possible on Tuesday or Thursday) we left XFW the day before after lunch, arrived in Toulouse just in time to say hello in the office and then go for a french dinner and a few Pastis. Next day was the meeting 9:30-12:00, then 2h lunch (incl. lots of red wine), perhaps another hour of meeting. Hardly anybody in TLS spoke english. Well, the younger ones did, but "international" meetings were run by senior managers, who needed the younger ones to translate.Then another french dinner, another hotel night in Toulouse and a relaxed departure after breakfast.


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Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:16 pm

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N14AZ wrote:
Just kidding… ;-) thank you for your insights. Didn’t even know that these shuttle flights started that early…


Business trips to Toulouse were relaxed at that time. For a 1/2 day meeting or a full day of testing in TLS (only possible on Tuesday or Thursday) we left XFW the day before after lunch, arrived in Toulouse just in time to say hello in the office and then go for a french dinner and a few Pastis. Next day was the meeting 9:30-12:00, then 2h lunch (incl. lots of red wine), perhaps another hour of meeting. Hardly anybody in TLS spoke english. Well, the younger ones did, but "international" meetings were run by senior managers, who needed the younger ones to translate.Then another french dinner, another hotel night in Toulouse and a relaxed departure after breakfast.


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Interesting… and nowadays everything has to be done in a three-hours-Zoom*)-session … :roll:

I hope this is not too off-topic… but actually not: it explains why Airbus had to save money during that time… :lol:

*) enter whatever software you prefer…
 
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Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:25 pm

Did you discuss the harnesses design of a certain type as well back then? :mrgreen:
 
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Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:23 pm

I had the luck to fly TLS-XFW several times, taking a flight from your workplace is incredibly comfortable.

There was also an ATR flying between TLS and Nantes plant if I remember correctly
 
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Fri Aug 20, 2021 5:08 pm

Many years ago the Bristol (Filton in those days, before BAE Systems dug up the runway) to Toulouse shuttle was operated by an Air Toulouse Caravelle! In later years it switched to Privatair (A319) and both incarnations of British Midland (EMB145s). The latter was often too small so easyJet did a good trade.
 
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Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:35 pm

Were they transporting corporate staff only or also engineers/workers?
 
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Sat Aug 21, 2021 6:09 am

They transported Airbus employees and subcontractors, families of Airbus expats, sometimes suppliers etc. The rules probably differed over the years. But never were the flights bookable for the general public, they had to be booked by the Airbus travel agent (Hapag Lloyd for many years, now Amex).

We could even book those flights for leisure trips with our family. But those tickets were on standby. If a business traveller needed the seat, we would have been kicked out on rather short notice (24h, I believe). There was no chance to use that for a weekend trip Friday afternoon until Monday morning, so I never even tried.


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Sat Aug 21, 2021 6:32 am

I seem to remember at a time there was some additional executive shuttle as well. Using two or three Falcon 20 or similar sized business jets to possibly bring specialists in for central meetings. Not sure how frequent they were. They went right onto the airbus site at TLS not to the airport like the normal shuttle does.

How about Boeing? Do they shuttle people from Seattle to Charleston, Palmdale or Chicago, Moses Lake or similar?
 
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Sat Aug 21, 2021 7:03 am

This thread is about Airbus shuttle service. If you want to know something about Boeing, please open a new thread...
 
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Sat Aug 21, 2021 7:05 am

The TLS-Filton-Hawarden ("Chester") flights were operated by BAC 1-11 for many years, notably the prototype G-ASYD until it was retired to Weybridge/Brooklands, then a variety of Air Bristol BAC 1-11 500s, including for a while one that had four-abreast seating.

SN601 Corvettes were amongst those used for VIP purposes.
 
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Ah Corvettes. Forgot about them. Thanks.
 
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Sat Aug 21, 2021 8:47 am

Is the Beluga XL somehow involved in the corporate shuttle services as well?
 
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Is the Beluga XL somehow involved in the corporate shuttle services as well?

If there is a sudden need to send a courier or someone between the factories the Begula XLs can be used, but they can only legally seat 5 people in addition to the pilots so it is not like they are part of the corporate fleet that the travel agent has access to and that employees regularly get booked on.
 
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Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:25 am

So could everybody admitted to the shuttle (say except family) pick a Beluga-XL-seat until five are gone? They fly to different destinations on a schedule. It sure would be nice but on the other hand there is no infrastructure to handle company passengers. It's just from assembly hall to assembly hall, pure logistics functionality. Could a Dreamlifter take corporate passengers for comparison?
 
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So could everybody admitted to the shuttle (say except family) pick a Beluga-XL-seat until five are gone? They fly to different destinations on a schedule. It sure would be nice but on the other hand there is no infrastructure to handle company passengers. It's just from assembly hall to assembly hall, pure logistics functionality. Could a Dreamlifter take corporate passengers for comparison?

No, employees can’t just hop on a Beluga. As mentioned all travel is done through a travel agent and they won’t have access to the beluga seats. It’s only on rare and specific occasions that an employee would ride on one. The seating is more so when/if Beluga XLs are chartered out for outside work (as Airbus has occasionally done with the Belugas) so that relevant people can ride with the chartered cargo.

The Dreamlifter can only carry 4 people, including the pilots.
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Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:41 am

In the early days all A300, A310 and A320 were ferried between TLS and XFW and back. Since we had good contact to the flight test engineers and they could decide themselves who is on board, we sometimes took that opportunity to get to TLS. Simply took some test equipment on board and pretended we were doing a test. That was all over after the A330 crash during a test flight.

I know people also travelled on Super Guppies and later Belugas. But that was organized through other channels and it was mainly for couriers, mechanics urgently needed on site etc. For sure nobody could simply book a seat on those flights and the travel agents didn't even know of those flights.


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Sat Aug 21, 2021 11:50 am

Thanks for telling us from your first hand perspective.
 
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Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:13 pm

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I know people also travelled on Super Guppies and later Belugas.


I don't know about the Super Guppies, but Beluga and BelugaXL have a dedicated courier compartment with a couple of seats. So it can't be so completely unusual to have "couriers" on board.


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Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:55 pm

The longer I think about it, the more I remember:

The Privatair flights always ran with WDL flight numbers. And there was a time when Privatair operated the morning flight XFW-TLS with A319, while WDL had a BAe146 in the opposite direction. In the evening they both returned. Apparently there was more demand for day trips from XFW to TLS then the other direction.

Those day trips were just horrible. I left home at 5:25 to reach the S-Bahn (Hamburg metro) and was back home around 21:15. Just for a 3-4h meeting. If any possible I tried to arrange for other meetings or tests and stayed a few days longer. But some colleagues did 2 of those trips every week.


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Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:22 pm

I dont know if I remember that completely wrong but I am pretty sure that for a certain time somewhere around 2009/2010 Hamburg International operated these flights, with 737-700 and later also A319.
 
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Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:42 am

As Titan was a recent shuttle operator for Airbus, did it ever use the 32-seat, ex-BA A318 for those flights?

 
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Hamburg International? I really don't remember. But perhaps there was an interim operator between OLT and Germania. For sure Germania occasionally had B737-700 on that route, but it was rare. After all they had acquired 2 dedicated A319 for that operation.

A 32-seat A318? Definitely no. The A319/A320 flights were almost always full. 32 seats would never have worked.

I once was on an A321 that HiFly normally operated for the belgian airforce. That was the only exotic A/C I remember from recent years


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Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:26 am

A contract was signed between TAT and Airbus to operate the shuttle service in 1988 with a Fokker F-28.

As far as I remember it, TAT operated those services for about 2 years, until TAT was acquired by Air France.

The service was a mid-day service and TAT was flying the service with the aircraft based in Rodez. This aircraft was sitting idle after the morning flight Rodez - Paris Orly - Rodez. The leg Rodez-Toulouse was quite short so that the aircraft was able to fly RDZ-TLS-FKW-TLS -RDZ and be ready for the evening flight RDZ-ORY-RDZ. A good use for a regional aircraft in those days.

As an anecdote, I remember that the very first flight did not go well! We wanted to put all possible safeguards in place, to make sure that everything will run smoothly. We provided a spare aircraft with a crew to be ready at short notice to cover up any technical issue with the designated aircraft. But we forgot the "snowball effect" ..when something goes wrong....you can expect other issues. This is what happened and both aircraft experienced a technical glitch. We flew another aircraft to Toulouse but we were five hours late and the ceremony to celebrate the first flight was cancelled. After such a poor start, the service went fine.

I personally flew to FKW (the contract was managed from there) on October 6th, 1988 to check with Airbus whether they were satisfied with the service. The meeting went fine but they were still remembering this anecdote.
 
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Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:35 am

Wouldn't some almost inhouse built ATR make a lot of sense as a "green" company shuttle? You might even be able to do more flights per day better custom tailoring the schedule for different people's needs? Or -from an enthusiast perspective- what about the A400M prototype parked at Aeroscopia museum?

It feels like Airbus does their flights under full airline standards. But do they need to? Could they legally be downscaled somehow? More like ferry flights?
 
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Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:40 am

Airbus doesn't do any pax flights at all, they are not certified. They have contracted normal airlines to run those flights.


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A contract was signed between TAT and Airbus to operate the shuttle service in 1988 with a Fokker F-28.


Oh, thanks. So I remembered aircraft, airline and the basic schedule correctly (see my earlier post). I was on that flight 2-3 times, don't remember. But the airport code must already have been XFW in those days, wasn't it? And the contract was probably with MBB in those days. Or was it really Airbus Industrie?


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Deutsche Aerospace?
 
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Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:35 am

No, it was DASA only after 6. Sep 1989. If that contract was signed in 1988, it was either MBB or Airbus Industrie (or, although not likely, Aerospatiale).


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Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:44 am

A bit more insight into the TLS-UK ops. G-ASYD operated (at least) 12/89 to 7/93 probably to end 93, BAC 1-11-500s G-AVMH/I/N/T/W at various times 1994-98, BAe146 G-JEAO/R/V/W 1998-2002. Probably a few more one-off substitutions during these years, such as BAe146-300 G-BTTP in 1993.
 
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Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:53 am

Great information, thanks to all who contributed. I am particularly pleased that this thread resulted in nicloas56' first post after 13 years membership - apparently we have an TAT insider with us, one of my favourite airlines due to its interesting history (including takoevers of Rousseau, Air Paris, Air Alpes and Air Alsace, its VFW614 operation, intra-German flights) - I have fond memories of regularly using TAT Fokker 28-4000 between NCE and DUS in the 1990s and I had my only Fokker 28-1000 flight between FCO and NCE in 1995 or so.

But back to topic - the history of the XFW-TLS shuttle apparently looks like this:

    - 1988 - ?? TAT Airlines Fokker F28 (Conti Flug started in October 1991, so if TAT operated for only two years I am not sure if another airline operated between TAT and Conti - maybe that was WDL as menioned in my initial post)
    - 1991 - 1994 Conti Flug BAe 146-200
    - 1994 - 1995 Hamburg Airlines BAe 146-100 (interim operation after Conti-Flug folded)
    - 1995 - 1999 Lufthansa Cityline CRJ100
    - 1999 - 2003 WDL BAe 146-100/200
    - 2003 - 2008 PrivatAir A319
    - 2008 - 2011 OLT Fokker 100
    - 2011 - 2019 Germania A319
    - 2019 --2019 Germania Flug, Titan, HiFly (interim operation after Germania folded)
    - since 2019 Volotea A319

As mentioned, when Privatair held the contract, WDL continued to operate on the shuttle, providing a BAe 146 for a daily TLS-XFW flight. Privatair had only two Airbus A319 and one operated the Bristol-Toulouse shuttle, so it could not fully cover the XFW suttle.

As for Hamburg International, I seem to remember that they filled in when OLT had trouble with their Fokker 100, which happened every once in a while. I don't think they ever had a contact with Airbus.

Does anybody know if Airbus rules out the use of Boeing aircraft on the shuttle when they put out the contract to tender?
 
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Does anybody know if Airbus rules out the use of Boeing aircraft on the shuttle when they put out the contract to tender?


That is probably just an airliners.net legend. They had Fokker, BAe, Canadair and Airbus in regular operation, but there were occasionally B737 on that route (Hapag-Lloyd Flug, Germania). And don't forget Airbus relied heavily on Boeing aircraft for many years, i.e. the Super Guppies. They even had one of them made for themselves.


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Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:06 am

All else being equal Airbus would prefer Airbus equipment on the route now. But they also prefer operation over cancellation so if 737s occasionally have to be swapped in so be it.

It helps that most carriers in the EU are A320 operators though.
 
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This probably is because Privatair, as a Boeing 737 operator, specifically acquired A319 for the Airbus contract instead of simply adding more 737s. And the Germania contract started when they, as a long time 737 operator, began adding A319s to the fleet.

By the way, based on the information in this thread Bristol - Toulouse looked like this in the past (not sure when and how BRS/FZO-TLS was combined with Chester/Broughton):

    1989 - 1993 British Aerospace in-house BAC1-11-475 / Air Toulouse SE210 Caravelle
    1994 - 1998 Air Bristol / AB Airlines BAC1-11-500
    1998 - 2002 Jersey / British European BAe 146
    2003 - 2008 Privatair A319
    2008 - ???? WDL BAe 146
    ???? -2009 Eastern Airways (not sure if they did TLS or simply fed FZO from CEG)
    2009 - 2015 bmi regional E145
    2015 - 2018 Eastern Airways E145
    2018 - 2019 bmi regional E145 (the contract was technically held by Loganair, IIRC)
    2019 - Loganair E145

And then there were flights from Bremen to Toulouse or between Bremen, Hamburg and Filton (mostly operated by OLT, but also bmi regional and Sun Air, IIRC - although BRE-TLS was not, if I am not mistaken, strictly a corporate shuttle but open to the public).
 
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And then there were flights from Bremen to Toulouse or between Bremen, Hamburg and Filton (mostly operated by OLT, but also bmi regional and Sun Air, IIRC - although BRE-TLS was not, if I am not mistaken, strictly a corporate shuttle but open to the public).


Sure, those were flights between 2 normal airports, not to/from an Airbus site. For a while OLT did BRE-HAM (not XFW)-TLS and back. Also the leg BRE-HAM was bookable. After a meeting in Bremen I once did that to self-connect in HAM to a flight I had already booked before.


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There also was a direct shuttle between XFW and FZO many years ago. Later it switched to HAM-BRS. Only once I tried to take that direct shuttle, but somehow it didn't happen. Probably the meeting was cancelled. Later I was in Filton just once, but we had to take KLM HAM-AMS-BRS for that.

I have no clue when that XFW-FZO shuttle existed, who operated it, what the aircraft and schedule were. I believe it didn't run daily. Does anybody have a bit more info on that?


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Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:22 pm

From http://www.bac1-11jet.co.uk:
AB Airlines [BAC-111 operation]: "The last BAe Airbus flight on the Filton-Toulouse shuttle was flown on 29th May 1998 after the contract was terminated."
 
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There were flights BRE-SVQ (Sevilla) for the A400M teams for some time; IIRC they could be booked by the public as well. Many workers from Bremen had to help in the FAL at Sevilla due to problems in the production process, but engineers and management used those flights too.
 
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Re: "Airbus Airlines": Airbus Company Shuttle XFW/TLS

Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:23 pm

IIRC, XFW-FZO was operated in the early 2000s by OLT initially with a Dornier 328 and then with Saab 2000s. The flight routed BRE-XFW-FZO. This was before OLT won the tender for XFW-TLS
 
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Re: "Airbus Airlines": Airbus Company Shuttle XFW/TLS

Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:29 am

Just browsed an old mag from 1984 where I found a news item that WDL was operating a weekly flight from "Hamburg" (not mentioned if HAM or XFW) and BRE to TLS on behalf of MBB with a Fokker 27.
 
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Re: "Airbus Airlines": Airbus Company Shuttle XFW/TLS

Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:16 pm

N14AZ wrote:
and nowadays everything has to be done in a three-hours-Zoom*)-session … :roll:

*) enter whatever software you prefer…


In Airbus it's Google Meet (off-topic I know...)
 
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Re: "Airbus Airlines": Airbus Company Shuttle XFW/TLS

Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:44 pm

vfw614 wrote:
Just browsed an old mag from 1984 where I found a news item that WDL was operating a weekly flight from "Hamburg" (not mentioned if HAM or XFW) and BRE to TLS on behalf of MBB with a Fokker 27.

Great. So even my very dim memory of an F27 on that route seems to be correct. But if that was a weekly service I don't think I ever used it. For meetings it would have been useless. And I didn't really attend international meetings in those early years. And for (flight) tests the schedule would have been too unflexible.


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