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Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:22 pm

Welcome to the Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021. Please continue to add your news and comments below.

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Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:17 pm

We’ve been down this road before, with VA MK1 growing through acquisitions that only served to increase the costs and complexities in the business. 10 years later very little of Skywest, and none of Tiger remain.

I don’t see Rex being a smart acquisition for any other airline group. A lot of their operations are actually in the GA space, and their RPT consists purely of rapidly ageing turbo props that will need a lot of investment to keep flying or replace and a handful of old 738s.

More prudent for Bain/VA to either wait untill they fall over and pick up assets in a fire sale or maybe even more prudent, try to come to an agreement to use ZL as regional feed to the VA network, I believe they’ve had some sort of interline agreement since way back in the early virgin blue days.

VA could also offer to wet lease the 737 capacity in a similar way to how they use Alliance, that may be more preferable to Rex than loosing their shirt trying to compete as the third player, and with them basically already in VA config could slot easily into the network.


I really don't think VA/Bain are particularly interested in REX for most of the reasons you list. Of course, they could be a Velocity partner on a fee basis just like 7-11, Snooze etc are.

I don't think they are attractive as a wet-lease partner using the 737s. VA operates planes the same size as REX's 737s so what does it bring? QQ are attractive because its F100s can operate routes that the 737s can't profitably do.
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Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:35 pm

We’ve been down this road before, with VA MK1 growing through acquisitions that only served to increase the costs and complexities in the business. 10 years later very little of Skywest, and none of Tiger remain.

I don’t see Rex being a smart acquisition for any other airline group. A lot of their operations are actually in the GA space, and their RPT consists purely of rapidly ageing turbo props that will need a lot of investment to keep flying or replace and a handful of old 738s.

More prudent for Bain/VA to either wait untill they fall over and pick up assets in a fire sale or maybe even more prudent, try to come to an agreement to use ZL as regional feed to the VA network, I believe they’ve had some sort of interline agreement since way back in the early virgin blue days.

VA could also offer to wet lease the 737 capacity in a similar way to how they use Alliance, that may be more preferable to Rex than loosing their shirt trying to compete as the third player, and with them basically already in VA config could slot easily into the network.


If VA acquired REX, it no doubt would take the axe to a lot of things, especially the 737 ops and possibly some of the GA work, but their regional feed would be quite valuable. The Skywest acquisition is different to a possible REX one, and i dont think they can be compared. Looking at the REX financials over a number of years, the thing that stuck out to me was that they were consistently break even. Now, if I was a competitor airline that had spare head office capacity and existing systems that could handle the work, and no real overlapping route network, then I would see it as a win. And I think the SaaB replacement issue is a bit of a red herring. DL has proven that machines can go for years if maintained, and deliver commercial returns. So has the rail industry.

Perhaps Rex was looked at by VA in the past but the owners didnt sell as they didnt need to and wanted a higher price? I agree though, waiting for a fall might have been in order, and might be what is happening now...
 
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Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:50 pm

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I don't think they are attractive as a wet-lease partner using the 737s. VA operates planes the same size as REX's 737s so what does it bring? QQ are attractive because its F100s can operate routes that the 737s can't profitably do.


Only reasons I could think of for VA is to eliminate a bottom feeding third competitor on the triangle, and for ZL potentially brining in more revenue than operating them solo, and saving face on having to fold the 737 ops. We don’t know the actual financial details of any of these situations so it’s all just speculative possibilities.
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Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:54 pm

Federal government grants of $87.4m have been credited with keeping Regional Express afloat, after a devastating end to the 2021 financial year.
Reporting the airline’s $18.4m operating loss after tax, chairman Lim Kim Hai said he wanted to put on record his “vote of gratitude” to the government.
Mr Lim said without that assistance, in the form of grants and JobKeeper payments, Rex and other airlines would have “certainly entered administration”.


https://www.theaustralian.com.au/busine ... cd5df70a91

Rex will find it very hard from now on to deflect criticism of it relying on government handouts, something it has argued against in the past, now that it has gone on record as saying that government money kept it from going into administration!
 
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Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:36 am

Australian Government is once again reducing the number of international arriving passenger into NSW per week down to just 750 total passengers. According to the article the new cap is in place until the state meets vaccination targets and for now the reduced arrival numbers are expected to remain in place until October.

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Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:37 am

So was the REX 737 play a mistake?

Or is it too early to open up that conversation.
 
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Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:15 am

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So was the REX 737 play a mistake?

Or is it too early to open up that conversation.


That conversation started before they got their first 737 :lol:
 
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Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:04 am

LTEN11 wrote:
redroo wrote:
So was the REX 737 play a mistake?

Or is it too early to open up that conversation.


That conversation started before they got their first 737 :lol:


I’ve seen online they are hiring for cabin crew - I wonder if they have lost a lot back to VA…. Be awkward if they don’t have crew to resume 737 operations… aviation is far from an attractive industry at the moment, I see recruitment being a massive challenge for next 12-24months, companies I work with are massively struggling.
 
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Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:57 am

VH-TBS has had its cockpit gutted for use as a ground based trainer. Its time on earth is now very short.
 
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Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:17 pm

This happened to me from Townsville a few weeks back, and happening now to Rocky.

Virgin has flights in business class cheaper than Economy.

The economy fare: https://i.imgur.com/dfgyaj4.jpg
The business fare: https://i.imgur.com/ylDzmkL.jpg

When I last flew Townsville to Brisbane, Business class fares on both Qantas and Virgin were lower than economy. Usually this only happens to me on weird obscure international routes, but is almost becoming routine in Australia. (There are cheaper economy fares on other flights, cheaper business fares too, lowest I saw was $235).
 
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Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:48 am

Alan Joyce is suggesting that Qantas will have at least 70% market share domestically. I find this very optimistic since VA recently pushed that down 67% earlier this year and with VA taking on more 737's I think that the domestic share for QF will likely be 65-67% moving forward. Thoughts??

https://australianaviation.com.au/2021/ ... ket-share/
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Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:54 am

Alliance to construct a MRO facility at ROK to cater for its growing fleet. It is expected by 2024 it will create an additional 100 jobs

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Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:35 am

qf789 wrote:
Alan Joyce is suggesting that Qantas will have at least 70% market share domestically. I find this very optimistic since VA recently pushed that down 67% earlier this year and with VA taking on more 737's I think that the domestic share for QF will likely be 65-67% moving forward. Thoughts??

https://australianaviation.com.au/2021/ ... ket-share/

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Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:02 am

qf789 wrote:
Alan Joyce is suggesting that Qantas will have at least 70% market share domestically. I find this very optimistic since VA recently pushed that down 67% earlier this year and with VA taking on more 737's I think that the domestic share for QF will likely be 65-67% moving forward. Thoughts??

https://australianaviation.com.au/2021/ ... ket-share/


Wasn't he a while back suggesting as high as 80%? And is Joyce talking about just QF or the Qantas Group which includes JQ?

I agree, the new Virgin is becoming a real threat to Qantas. The airfares are much lower, low enough to really make a difference to your travel budget and even in business class they are certainly low enough to attract travellers who are not especially 'loyal' to Qantas at least on the short triangle flights.
 
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Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:04 am

"Qantas adds WiFi streaming movies, TV shows to all QantasLink jets"

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... slink-jets

Same technology as the two-class B717s but coming to all 717s, F100s, A320s and even the E190s leased from Alliance. Unfortunately there's no Internet via WiFi, it's just streaming content from a server to passenger's own devices.
 
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Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:04 am

tullamarine wrote:
History has shown this "line in the sand" business ends in tears. Airlines will find their natural market share levels when demand returns and it is fine to be aspirational in growing these but don't let the aspirations drive the business into silly decisions.


Australian domestic aviation history is punctuated by the following recurring themes:

- XX% line in the sand
- pilot shortage
- third carrier entry
- 2nd carrier vs 1st carrier price war (or vv)

These things appear, then disappear. Im on my 3rd or 4th XX line in the sand discussion now.
 
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VH-TBS has had its cockpit gutted for use as a ground based trainer. Its time on earth is now very short.


Noooo, isn't it the last 727 in Australia
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Does anybody know why there were 3 CI A333s departing SYD on Friday night within 10 minutes all heading to Taipei?
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Does anybody know why there were 3 CI A333s departing SYD on Friday night within 10 minutes all heading to Taipei?

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My understanding CI52 & CI56 are scheduled services whilst CI2060 is a Freighter service.


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Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:38 pm

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Does anybody know why there were 3 CI A333s departing SYD on Friday night within 10 minutes all heading to Taipei?


It’s been a reasonably common occurrence of late. Not sure why 3 on the same night, something to do with crews?
 
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CraigAnderson wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Alan Joyce is suggesting that Qantas will have at least 70% market share domestically. I find this very optimistic since VA recently pushed that down 67% earlier this year and with VA taking on more 737's I think that the domestic share for QF will likely be 65-67% moving forward. Thoughts??

https://australianaviation.com.au/2021/ ... ket-share/


Wasn't he a while back suggesting as high as 80%? And is Joyce talking about just QF or the Qantas Group which includes JQ?

I agree, the new Virgin is becoming a real threat to Qantas. The airfares are much lower, low enough to really make a difference to your travel budget and even in business class they are certainly low enough to attract travellers who are not especially 'loyal' to Qantas at least on the short triangle flights.


I’m not sure we should look at air fares as a guide to competitiveness - I’d be more interested in QF vs VA cost base. No doubt they will both becoming out leaner, QF seems to have maintained its ability to command a yield though.
 
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Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:57 pm

tullamarine wrote:
Does anybody know why there were 3 CI A333s departing SYD on Friday night within 10 minutes all heading to Taipei?


I've noticed this in the past too. A least a month ago, same thing three CI flights EX SYD in a convoy.
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Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:59 am

tullamarine wrote:
Does anybody know why there were 3 CI A333s departing SYD on Friday night within 10 minutes all heading to Taipei?


This has been fairly standard for months, sometimes there's only 2, sometimes 350's will operate instead of the 330's. Reality would dictate they are mostly operating to carry freight, for passengers only, one flight would be overkill.
 
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Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:29 am

smi0006 wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Alan Joyce is suggesting that Qantas will have at least 70% market share domestically. I find this very optimistic since VA recently pushed that down 67% earlier this year and with VA taking on more 737's I think that the domestic share for QF will likely be 65-67% moving forward. Thoughts??

https://australianaviation.com.au/2021/ ... ket-share/


Wasn't he a while back suggesting as high as 80%? And is Joyce talking about just QF or the Qantas Group which includes JQ?

I agree, the new Virgin is becoming a real threat to Qantas. The airfares are much lower, low enough to really make a difference to your travel budget and even in business class they are certainly low enough to attract travellers who are not especially 'loyal' to Qantas at least on the short triangle flights.


I’m not sure we should look at air fares as a guide to competitiveness - I’d be more interested in QF vs VA cost base. No doubt they will both becoming out leaner, QF seems to have maintained its ability to command a yield though.

The cost base for VA will be much lower than it was and is probably somewhat lower than QF's which it should be given it is a much less complex business. It has simplified its structure, has only one fleet type in its mainline fleet, it will have reduced lease costs by being able to walk away from previous leases and enter new leases for the same planes at improved terms which were now distressed assets in the hands of the lessor and managed to remove significant staff numbers.

Undoubtedly, the current problems for both airlines is on the revenue side not the cost side. AJ and JH are both highly cost conscious. They both worked together at QF/JQ with a mantra of constant waste reduction. Bain will be working an a plan of at least 5 years to turn VA in a domestic profit power house which is entirely feasible in a duopoly situation. After that, they will either choose to flip the asset via trade sale or IPO or hold onto it and enjoy what should be a generous dividend stream.
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Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:00 am

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tullamarine wrote:
Does anybody know why there were 3 CI A333s departing SYD on Friday night within 10 minutes all heading to Taipei?


This has been fairly standard for months, sometimes there's only 2, sometimes 350's will operate instead of the 330's. Reality would dictate they are mostly operating to carry freight, for passengers only, one flight would be overkill.

I’m certain the 4 digit flights are freighters whilst the other 2 are scheduled passenger / freighter flights.


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Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:07 am

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LTEN11 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Does anybody know why there were 3 CI A333s departing SYD on Friday night within 10 minutes all heading to Taipei?


This has been fairly standard for months, sometimes there's only 2, sometimes 350's will operate instead of the 330's. Reality would dictate they are mostly operating to carry freight, for passengers only, one flight would be overkill.

I’m certain the 4 digit flights are freighters whilst the other 2 are scheduled passenger / freighter flights.


Not sure if it is still the case, but in previous months it was freight only on the A330's and A350 for the pax, that's why the A350 was only every once or twice a week at most. Haven't seen the A350 here for a while though but given tight restrictions in Taiwan, I wouldn't be surprised if there are no pax services which is why we are just seeing multiple A330 flights. CI cargo fleet is stretched to the limit, their cargo division is doing very well (if I recall correctly, it kept the company in profit last year but don't hold me to that) so where range allows them to use the A330 (which has the old, outdated interiors) for cargo only runs, they will. For pax services to Australia/Pacific, they only will send A350 now as the A330 interior is too outdated for this market.

I can't remember where or how I found this out but a little trick I've been for Sydney arrivals/departures is to check the Sydney Airport website for International Arrivals and Departures. Generally I've found that if a flight is listed on there then it operated as a commercial passenger flight. If it's not on there, then chances are it was freight only (even when using a pax aircraft and a traditional pax service flight number) or a re-pat charter. Where I was living previously I had a great birds eye view of SYD (miss that very much) and so would often see the pax aircraft come and go with no reference on the website, but every time the CI A350 came in, there it was listed.
 
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Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:50 am

Does anyone know the flight number for the Pfizer vaccines coming from UK?
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Does anyone know the flight number for the Pfizer vaccines coming from UK?


First lot is on QF10 LHR-PER-SYD operated by ZND

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gpasternak wrote:
Does anyone know the flight number for the Pfizer vaccines coming from UK?


First lot is on QF10 LHR-PER-SYD operated by ZND

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https://twitter.com/ajamesparker/status ... 34309?s=21

Just in time for my 2nd Pfizer jab on the 10th September. Let’s get back to some form of normality…


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EK413 wrote:
LTEN11 wrote:

This has been fairly standard for months, sometimes there's only 2, sometimes 350's will operate instead of the 330's. Reality would dictate they are mostly operating to carry freight, for passengers only, one flight would be overkill.

I’m certain the 4 digit flights are freighters whilst the other 2 are scheduled passenger / freighter flights.


Not sure if it is still the case, but in previous months it was freight only on the A330's and A350 for the pax, that's why the A350 was only every once or twice a week at most. Haven't seen the A350 here for a while though but given tight restrictions in Taiwan, I wouldn't be surprised if there are no pax services which is why we are just seeing multiple A330 flights. CI cargo fleet is stretched to the limit, their cargo division is doing very well (if I recall correctly, it kept the company in profit last year but don't hold me to that) so where range allows them to use the A330 (which has the old, outdated interiors) for cargo only runs, they will. For pax services to Australia/Pacific, they only will send A350 now as the A330 interior is too outdated for this market.

I can't remember where or how I found this out but a little trick I've been for Sydney arrivals/departures is to check the Sydney Airport website for International Arrivals and Departures. Generally I've found that if a flight is listed on there then it operated as a commercial passenger flight. If it's not on there, then chances are it was freight only (even when using a pax aircraft and a traditional pax service flight number) or a re-pat charter. Where I was living previously I had a great birds eye view of SYD (miss that very much) and so would often see the pax aircraft come and go with no reference on the website, but every time the CI A350 came in, there it was listed.


They are back inbound today, CI51, 55 and 2059 all lined up nicely over southern QLD right now. Happens quite often over the last few months.
 
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Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:41 am

Also just noticed QF1004 PER-HBA is an A332 tonight. Has that ever happened before? HBA doesn’t see widebodies that often.
 
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Also just noticed QF1004 PER-HBA is an A332 tonight. Has that ever happened before? HBA doesn’t see widebodies that often.


Yes - Hobart Airport has bays capable of handling widebodies and I believe their runway was extended to handle widebody aircraft in 2017.

Additionally, I believe CX operated a few flights to HBA using an A350 (via Sydney either on the outbound or inbound), and QF operated direct evacuation flights from India last year using the B787.
 
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Also just noticed QF1004 PER-HBA is an A332 tonight. Has that ever happened before? HBA doesn’t see widebodies that often.


Yes - Hobart Airport has bays capable of handling widebodies and I believe their runway was extended to handle widebody aircraft in 2017.

Additionally, I believe CX operated a few flights to HBA using an A350 (via Sydney either on the outbound or inbound), and QF operated direct evacuation flights from India last year using the B787.

HBA was supposed to handle the QF 744 Antarctica flight but the plan was cancelled as it was (I believe) pavement load limited

CX also operated 777-300ER freight flights into HBA from other ports in Australia and outbound was via MEL

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From 1 Jul 22 QF’s SYD-LAX is planned to be 6 weekly A388, 1 weekly 787-9

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Also just noticed QF1004 PER-HBA is an A332 tonight. Has that ever happened before? HBA doesn’t see widebodies that often.


I’m flying this route in October - was surprised to see it’s double daily now. Great news considering the route really only came about during the pandemic.
 
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Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:42 am

Any ideas where -ZNG is heading designated QF0100 / ASY0100?

Flight from Sydney
https://fr24.com/ASY100/29093727

-ZNC is about to depart DRW as QF0109 DRW-LHR repatriation flight.

Flight QF109 from Darwin to London
https://fr24.com/QFA109/2909b71f

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Any ideas where -ZNG is heading designated QF0100 / ASY0100?

Flight from Sydney
https://fr24.com/ASY100/29093727



Its heading to NHD which is Dubai Al Minhad Air Base, this is one of several flights QF have been operated over the past week from SYD/MEL/BNE to NHD, the ASY code is for Australian Air Force
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A350OZ wrote:
Also just noticed QF1004 PER-HBA is an A332 tonight. Has that ever happened before? HBA doesn’t see widebodies that often.


Even back 20 years ago with the shorter runway. HBA had QF 767 flights and a rare visitor SQ 777 charter flights
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:48 pm

Qantas is listing BNE-LAX as daily A332 from 26 Mar 22

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 35170?s=21

Also EBM positioned SYD-AUH last Wednesday, is this for mods for upcoming US routes
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:36 pm

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Any ideas where -ZNG is heading designated QF0100 / ASY0100?

Flight from Sydney
https://fr24.com/ASY100/29093727

-ZNC is about to depart DRW as QF0109 DRW-LHR repatriation flight.

Flight QF109 from Darwin to London
https://fr24.com/QFA109/2909b71f

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-ZNK also being turned around at Darwin and will head back to LHR tonight as QFA109D

ZNC will run a repat passanger and Pfizer back while ZNK will run exclusive cargo for more Pfizer doses.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:42 pm

qf789 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Any ideas where -ZNG is heading designated QF0100 / ASY0100?

Flight from Sydney
https://fr24.com/ASY100/29093727



Its heading to NHD which is Dubai Al Minhad Air Base, this is one of several flights QF have been operated over the past week from SYD/MEL/BNE to NHD, the ASY code is for Australian Air Force


Thanks for confirming, I noticed the HiFly flights utilise the same call sign which now makes sense considering they operate behalf of the Australian government.

qf789 wrote:
Qantas is listing BNE-LAX as daily A332 from 26 Mar 22

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 35170?s=21

Also EBM positioned SYD-AUH last Wednesday, is this for mods for upcoming US routes


Curious about this ferry when it popped up. I take it QF couldn’t perform the modifications in their own heavy mx facilities at BNE.

log0008 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Any ideas where -ZNG is heading designated QF0100 / ASY0100?

Flight from Sydney
https://fr24.com/ASY100/29093727

-ZNC is about to depart DRW as QF0109 DRW-LHR repatriation flight.

Flight QF109 from Darwin to London
https://fr24.com/QFA109/2909b71f

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


-ZNK also being turned around at Darwin and will head back to LHR tonight as QFA109D

ZNC will run a repat passanger and Pfizer back while ZNK will run exclusive cargo for more Pfizer doses.


DRW has certainly stepped up and demonstrated it’s perfectly positioned for an international transit hub.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:10 am

EK413 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Any ideas where -ZNG is heading designated QF0100 / ASY0100?

Flight from Sydney
https://fr24.com/ASY100/29093727


Its heading to NHD which is Dubai Al Minhad Air Base, this is one of several flights QF have been operated over the past week from SYD/MEL/BNE to NHD, the ASY code is for Australian Air Force


Thanks for confirming, I noticed the HiFly flights utilise the same call sign which now makes sense considering they operate behalf of the Australian government.

Presumably bringing evacuees and/or Australian forces from Kabul, or possibly packing up some of the recent Australian operation at Al Minhad.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:24 am

Good news Virgin has started 3:new routes. One the ADL to LST route has not been served for 20 years.

https://simpleflying.com/virgin-austral ... es-launch/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:33 am

qf789 wrote:
Qantas is listing BNE-LAX as daily A332 from 26 Mar 22

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 35170?s=21

Also EBM positioned SYD-AUH last Wednesday, is this for mods for upcoming US routes


Do you know what the mods will involve to bump the MTOW, I thought QFs frames were too old? Will they be able to bump to the full 242t?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Mon Sep 06, 2021 6:19 am

ben175 wrote:
A350OZ wrote:
Also just noticed QF1004 PER-HBA is an A332 tonight. Has that ever happened before? HBA doesn’t see widebodies that often.


I’m flying this route in October - was surprised to see it’s double daily now. Great news considering the route really only came about during the pandemic.


QF1004 on 05/09 was solely for a transfer of pax inbound from LHR, I don’t believe PER-HBA is going to be double daily on a regular basis.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Mon Sep 06, 2021 6:21 am

EK413 wrote:
DRW has certainly stepped up and demonstrated it’s perfectly positioned for an international transit hub.

I agree. I guess the problem going forward is that is all it is - a transit hub. A perfect plan for JQ but never really took off (pun intended).

The difference between having PER and DRW as your first/last Australian port is that PER has a sizeable population of 2 million+ people who could fly to LHR and won't backtrack and fly via DRW, as opposed to 140,000 in DRW who can fly to LHR and won't backtrack and fly via PER. Once the restrictions area eased, my guess (based on zero evidence haha) is that PER will be used again - I'll eat my hat if I am wrong though!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Mon Sep 06, 2021 6:41 am

myki wrote:
EK413 wrote:
DRW has certainly stepped up and demonstrated it’s perfectly positioned for an international transit hub.

I agree. I guess the problem going forward is that is all it is - a transit hub. A perfect plan for JQ but never really took off (pun intended).

The difference between having PER and DRW as your first/last Australian port is that PER has a sizeable population of 2 million+ people who could fly to LHR and won't backtrack and fly via DRW, as opposed to 140,000 in DRW who can fly to LHR and won't backtrack and fly via PER. Once the restrictions area eased, my guess (based on zero evidence haha) is that PER will be used again - I'll eat my hat if I am wrong though!


Agreed was a shame that DRW never worked out for JQ/3K - did get me thinking if we could see JQ 321LR to SIN from ADL, PER, BNE maybe SYD and MEL too - reignite the SIN hub for secondary flying into Asia? Not the same scale as when they had 330s in ans out of SIn - Be hard to compete with Air Asia’s low cost hub in KUL due to SIN being more expensive airport, but could be the time to build some greater scale in SIN with 3K during the rebound? Was 3K making a profit pre-COVID?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Mon Sep 06, 2021 6:45 am

smi0006 wrote:
myki wrote:
EK413 wrote:
DRW has certainly stepped up and demonstrated it’s perfectly positioned for an international transit hub.

I agree. I guess the problem going forward is that is all it is - a transit hub. A perfect plan for JQ but never really took off (pun intended).

The difference between having PER and DRW as your first/last Australian port is that PER has a sizeable population of 2 million+ people who could fly to LHR and won't backtrack and fly via DRW, as opposed to 140,000 in DRW who can fly to LHR and won't backtrack and fly via PER. Once the restrictions area eased, my guess (based on zero evidence haha) is that PER will be used again - I'll eat my hat if I am wrong though!


Agreed was a shame that DRW never worked out for JQ/3K - did get me thinking if we could see JQ 321LR to SIN from ADL, PER, BNE maybe SYD and MEL too - reignite the SIN hub for secondary flying into Asia? Not the same scale as when they had 330s in ans out of SIn - Be hard to compete with Air Asia’s low cost hub in KUL due to SIN being more expensive airport, but could be the time to build some greater scale in SIN with 3K during the rebound? Was 3K making a profit pre-COVID?


I cant see it to be honest, even pre-covid, JQ/3K pulled the plug on PER and MEL - SIN. QF don't like to cannibalise themselves with JQ and SIN isnt really a leisure market suited to JQ in the way that DPS is.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:17 am

BAeRJ100 wrote:
ben175 wrote:
A350OZ wrote:
Also just noticed QF1004 PER-HBA is an A332 tonight. Has that ever happened before? HBA doesn’t see widebodies that often.


I’m flying this route in October - was surprised to see it’s double daily now. Great news considering the route really only came about during the pandemic.


QF1004 on 05/09 was solely for a transfer of pax inbound from LHR, I don’t believe PER-HBA is going to be double daily on a regular basis.


The route is going double daily on various dates in October with 2 738 services. Must be seasonal additions.

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