Moderators: jsumali2, richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR

 
qf2048
Posts: 177
Joined: Sat Apr 09, 2016 3:16 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:45 am

Qantaslink have begun direct flights between Adelaide and Townsville using the QQ wet leased aircraft.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... -take-off/
 
sierrakilo44
Posts: 642
Joined: Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:38 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:44 am

tullamarine wrote:
QF are trying to establish a timetable. They are not interested in last minute additions or cancellations; they can't make money doing that. Since WA has said they won't accept arrivals from NSW or Victoria for Christmas, it is obvious they won't accept them from any other location that has accepted the reality of ongoing community transmission.


The actual comment was WA would reopen at a point where vaccination reached somewhere between 80-90%, then about a 6 week final period for last minute jabs then open. At the moment they’ll get to 80% in late November, there are steps being made to increase the vax rate so that may be achieved earlier, and a possibility that a Xmas reopening is possible.

And just to clarify they haven’t said definitely won’t be open to NSW or Victoria by Xmas, just that it “could” be closed, and ultimately it would be based on vaccination numbers.
 
tullamarine
Posts: 2958
Joined: Thu Aug 05, 1999 1:14 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:07 am

sierrakilo44 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
QF are trying to establish a timetable. They are not interested in last minute additions or cancellations; they can't make money doing that. Since WA has said they won't accept arrivals from NSW or Victoria for Christmas, it is obvious they won't accept them from any other location that has accepted the reality of ongoing community transmission.


The actual comment was WA would reopen at a point where vaccination reached somewhere between 80-90%, then about a 6 week final period for last minute jabs then open. At the moment they’ll get to 80% in late November, there are steps being made to increase the vax rate so that may be achieved earlier, and a possibility that a Xmas reopening is possible.

And just to clarify they haven’t said definitely won’t be open to NSW or Victoria by Xmas, just that it “could” be closed, and ultimately it would be based on vaccination numbers.

I don’t think it matters. Everyone I speak to say WA is now the last place they have any interest in visiting. Too many people have lost faith from fear they will be told they have to spend their holiday in WA locked in their hotel serving out a 14 day quarantine. Rebuilding tourism from the east coast will take quite an effort.
 
DavidByrne
Posts: 1956
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:42 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:01 am

tullamarine wrote:
I don’t think it matters. Everyone I speak to say WA is now the last place they have any interest in visiting. Too many people have lost faith from fear they will be told they have to spend their holiday in WA locked in their hotel serving out a 14 day quarantine. Rebuilding tourism from the east coast will take quite an effort.

I suspect that "everyone you speak to" may not be astute regarding the political realities that will be in play, then.
 
Qf648
Posts: 77
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:49 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:09 pm

You are kidding right?

Internally WA is going great. Economy is good, jobs are everywhere, a lot of people have moved form SYD/VIC mainly to work in the mines. Mining companies have paid big on relocation which they will hold these people for 2-3 years so they don't have to repay moving costs.

Most of the FIFO workers I work with these days are South Australians. None of which want to move here.

Most of the people over east now have no interest in WA. Its a pain to get into, a pain to get out of, and there is plenty to see elsewhere.

So what's the point of the above - simply put the WA demand will not be there for another 12 months.
 
User avatar
metalinyoni
Posts: 327
Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:52 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:46 pm

QF118 JNB-DRW on Flightradar24- is this a normal / scheduled flight? Not seen it before.
 
ZK-NBT
Posts: 8105
Joined: Mon Oct 16, 2000 5:42 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:19 pm

metalinyoni wrote:
QF118 JNB-DRW on Flightradar24- is this a normal / scheduled flight? Not seen it before.


It will be a repatriation flight, all QF's repatriation flights go to DRW where there is an MIQ facility. Certainly not normal or 'scheduled'
 
User avatar
CraigAnderson
Posts: 769
Joined: Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:28 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:18 pm

Interesting change to QF SYD-YVR which seems to have been slipped into this month's 'international restart' announcement for Dec18, it used to be a seasonal route but will now operate throughout the year, although just three flights a week, but will definitely give Qantas a natural edge over Air Canada for Aussies flying to Vancouver.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... year-round
 
User avatar
SCFlyer
Posts: 774
Joined: Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:14 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:30 pm

Virgin Australia has been handed a lifeline on their HND slot, expanding the current start date beyond October 31, 2021.
JH has previously said that while they plan for VA to return to long haul eventually, they won't return in the short term (within 18 months).

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... yo-flights
 
tullamarine
Posts: 2958
Joined: Thu Aug 05, 1999 1:14 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:42 pm

SCFlyer wrote:
Virgin Australia has been handed a lifeline on their HND slot, expanding the current start date beyond October 31, 2021.
JH has previously said that while they plan for VA to return to long haul eventually, they won't return in the short term (within 18 months).

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... yo-flights

It probably makes sense. It's a bit hard to enforce a use it or lose it when no services are possible anyway.

If QF ever want to get a JV with JL, they need both NH and VA operating a number of services between Australia and Japan. If QF and JL together continue to comprise 90% of the services, there is zero chance it will ever get approved.
 
User avatar
CraigAnderson
Posts: 769
Joined: Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:28 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:21 am

tullamarine wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
Virgin Australia has been handed a lifeline on their HND slot, expanding the current start date beyond October 31, 2021.
JH has previously said that while they plan for VA to return to long haul eventually, they won't return in the short term (within 18 months).

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... yo-flights

It probably makes sense. It's a bit hard to enforce a use it or lose it when no services are possible anyway.

If QF ever want to get a JV with JL, they need both NH and VA operating a number of services between Australia and Japan. If QF and JL together continue to comprise 90% of the services, there is zero chance it will ever get approved.


That's an interesting take, perhaps with VA and ANA both flying between Australia and Japan, QF and JAL could have a better chance to get the ACCC to revise its anti-JV stance. But then, would QF and JAL see as many advantages in the JV once there's more competition already established?

I also wonder if Qantas might consider lobbying the IASC to hand over that second HND slot if demand bounce back quicker than expected, given that QF initially pushed for both slots and Virgin won't even have the long-haul aircraft until, what, 2023 at earliest? Qantas could make the claim that Virgin can't keep holding onto a slot it can't operate, and lobby to have a 'use it or lose it' deadline of say end of 2022.

The other thing about Qantas and Tokyo is that Qantas had only BNE-NRT remaining as its sole Narita route, as SYD-HND was already operating and MEL-NRT was due to switch to MEL-HND in March 2020. A later restart plan had MEL-HND at 4x weeks and BNE-HND at 3x week, I think, so Qantas shared the HND slot between MEL and BNE, which would have meant it could settle on HND as its Tokyo base and abandon NRT, makes sense for staffing and also would let QF shut its NRT lounge. Wouldn't be surprised if that's the end-lane here as well.
 
melpax
Posts: 2197
Joined: Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:13 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:13 am

tullamarine wrote:
I don’t think it matters. Everyone I speak to say WA is now the last place they have any interest in visiting. Too many people have lost faith from fear they will be told they have to spend their holiday in WA locked in their hotel serving out a 14 day quarantine. Rebuilding tourism from the east coast will take quite an effort.


Timely article on why those of us in the East are not too keen on interstate travel (when possible) at the moment......

https://www.traveller.com.au/australia- ... 31672852-1
 
tullamarine
Posts: 2958
Joined: Thu Aug 05, 1999 1:14 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:57 am

melpax wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
I don’t think it matters. Everyone I speak to say WA is now the last place they have any interest in visiting. Too many people have lost faith from fear they will be told they have to spend their holiday in WA locked in their hotel serving out a 14 day quarantine. Rebuilding tourism from the east coast will take quite an effort.


Timely article on why those of us in the East are not too keen on interstate travel (when possible) at the moment......

https://www.traveller.com.au/australia- ... 31672852-1

Yes, as someone who has had holidays in both Tassie and Qld cancelled in the past 2 months, I can agree with that article that I'm not going to bother with Australian holidays even if they become available. I might do a driving trip into regional Vic or NSW but, beyond that, it is all too hard and you risk being held hostage by some minor state premier who is enjoying their brief time of any relevance. I feel sorry for tourism operators in Australia but I'm sick of the disappointment and stuffing around trying to get refunds. Sadly, I include NZ as a no-go zone for the same reasons too.
 
jrfspa320
Posts: 759
Joined: Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:18 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:25 am

Can we try and keep this thread on actual aviation developments. There are lots of other forums discussing the politics / twists and turns of covid.
 
VHOGU
Posts: 82
Joined: Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:50 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:44 am

Any news on when the Silkair 73’s will come on property for VA? Are they being painted in TSV or SIN?
 
RoyalBrunei757
Posts: 714
Joined: Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:18 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:16 pm

Saw this update online at Skyliner-aviation.de:
Dash 8-314 MSN 592 VH-QQH Maroomba Airlines delivery 08-13 SepT. 21 EXT-GOA-HER-CAI-BAH-MCT-AMD-BLR-HRI-BTJ-HLP-PHE-PER, OY-reg ex OY-CJY

An Air Nippon and Widerøe 18.2 years vintage.

Australia's Maroomba Airlines to add maiden Q300

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... aiden-q300
 
RoyalBrunei757
Posts: 714
Joined: Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:18 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:18 pm

VHOGU wrote:
Any news on when the Silkair 73’s will come on property for VA? Are they being painted in TSV or SIN?

Apparently according to local Singapore spotters, first B738 9V-MGI was being tested last week in SIN, still in full MI livery.
 
User avatar
jetfuel
Posts: 1079
Joined: Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:27 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:31 am

Ansett Airlines Australia Museum - A Pictorial Journey
Worth watching video tribute to Ansett 20 year closure remembrance

https://fb.watch/82lXdVhpcb/

https://www.facebook.com/AnsettAirlinesPictorial
 
jrfspa320
Posts: 759
Joined: Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:18 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:36 am

Also today marks 100 years of scheduled air service in Australia.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-16/ ... /100463236
 
User avatar
Velocity7
Posts: 103
Joined: Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:49 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:21 pm

jetfuel wrote:
Ansett Airlines Australia Museum - A Pictorial Journey
Worth watching video tribute to Ansett 20 year closure remembrance

https://fb.watch/82lXdVhpcb/

https://www.facebook.com/AnsettAirlinesPictorial


Still hard to imagine they are gone :cry: and it's been 20 years.

Can't listen to an Enya soundtrack without thinking about Ansett. Many things to be thankful for though - had it not been for Ansett my wife and I would never have met....
 
User avatar
SCFlyer
Posts: 774
Joined: Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:14 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:09 am

VA Velocity will be shortly re-opening bookings/redemptions on partner airlines including SQ, DL, AC and EY

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... r-airlines
 
User avatar
CraigAnderson
Posts: 769
Joined: Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:28 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:42 am

Qantas boss delays decision on $3.7 million COVID-19 bonus

Qantas boss Alan Joyce will wait for at least a year to decide whether he will accept $3.7 million worth of performance bonuses awarded to him during the biggest crisis in the airline’s 100-year history.


https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 58smc.html

This will be a very thorny issue, and smart of AJ to wait until Qantas has turned the corner and maybe they can give bonuses of some sort to all staff. I can see why people would argue against that $3.7m bonus but I reckon this past 18 months shows the worth of a good CEO, Joyce has had to manage the airline through this incredibly crisis, and that takes enormous skill and dedication. If we can't recognise and reward a business leader for actual leadership in the worst of times, then there's something very wrong here.
 
User avatar
CraigAnderson
Posts: 769
Joined: Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:28 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:34 am

Virgin CEO expects ‘vaccination passports’ for domestic travel

Virgin Australia CEO Jayne Hrdlicka says she expects vaccination to be mandatory for some interstate travel as states exit lockdown and reopen their borders in the months ahead.


https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... tic-travel

Wouldn't surprise me in the least, probably as a precaution from states like QLD and WA which are trying to keep Covid out. And it's another reason to help convince people to get vaccinated. No jab no fly, at least between certain states.
 
jrfspa320
Posts: 759
Joined: Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:18 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:57 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
Virgin CEO expects ‘vaccination passports’ for domestic travel

Virgin Australia CEO Jayne Hrdlicka says she expects vaccination to be mandatory for some interstate travel as states exit lockdown and reopen their borders in the months ahead.


https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... tic-travel

Wouldn't surprise me in the least, probably as a precaution from states like QLD and WA which are trying to keep Covid out. And it's another reason to help convince people to get vaccinated. No jab no fly, at least between certain states.
.

I wouldnt be surprised if the airlines implement it anyway...they are private businesses after all. If youll need a vaccine passport to go to the pub then cant imagine it wont be required to travel on a plane. Could all get very messy.
 
Flyingsottsman
Posts: 848
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:32 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:00 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
Can we try and keep this thread on actual aviation developments. There are lots of other forums discussing the politics / twists and turns of covid.


Some times its a bit hard to separate the both, considering we talk about airlines and flights, right now Qantas wants to fly but are struggling because of these Premiers that all of a sudden have found this power, At this stage I got more chance of flying Qantas to Fiji than I have to WA. and why? Because Politicians and Politics are making it inpossiable for airlines to fly, So some time we can separate the 2 in some conversations.
 
DavidByrne
Posts: 1956
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:42 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:04 am

Anyone reading this thread would conclude that the health of the airline industry is far more important than the health of the population at large. C'mon, guys - I appreciate that it's very frustrating that there's no clarity about the way forward for the industry, but newsflash: there's no clarity about the way the pandemic is going to go either. Overtly trashing politicians because they see things in a more nuanced way than avgeeks is not a positive contribution to debate.
 
An767
Posts: 299
Joined: Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:21 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:03 pm

DavidByrne wrote:
Anyone reading this thread would conclude that the health of the airline industry is far more important than the health of the population at large. C'mon, guys - I appreciate that it's very frustrating that there's no clarity about the way forward for the industry, but newsflash: there's no clarity about the way the pandemic is going to go either. Overtly trashing politicians because they see things in a more nuanced way than avgeeks is not a positive contribution to debate.


Its not a case of the airline industry being more important. Some state governments are taking it too far. Its a worldwide pandemic, do you believe they can keep it out of 2 states while the rest of us put up with it.

I am at the point of living in Queensland , having tickets to Cairns on hold, simply because when the virus gets here and it will, i may yet again be a stuck in a lockdown turning a 7 day trip into a potential 14 days, or being locked down because i was in an area with infections. Already had to cancel once. maybe when we get to 80% vaccinated things will improve, but somehow i cant see it.
AN767
 
DavidByrne
Posts: 1956
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:42 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:35 pm

An767 wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
Anyone reading this thread would conclude that the health of the airline industry is far more important than the health of the population at large. C'mon, guys - I appreciate that it's very frustrating that there's no clarity about the way forward for the industry, but newsflash: there's no clarity about the way the pandemic is going to go either. Overtly trashing politicians because they see things in a more nuanced way than avgeeks is not a positive contribution to debate.


Its not a case of the airline industry being more important. Some state governments are taking it too far. Its a worldwide pandemic, do you believe they can keep it out of 2 states while the rest of us put up with it.

I am at the point of living in Queensland , having tickets to Cairns on hold, simply because when the virus gets here and it will, i may yet again be a stuck in a lockdown turning a 7 day trip into a potential 14 days, or being locked down because i was in an area with infections. Already had to cancel once. maybe when we get to 80% vaccinated things will improve, but somehow i cant see it.
AN767

The problem is that many people see this in terms of inconvenience to themselves, personally, rather than any wider considerations. Yes, your trip to CNS is on hold, as is my trip from AKL to HBA and MEL. But it's not all about you - or me. Or even the aviation industry as a whole. It's about an existential threat to society which both Australia and New Zealand have so far managed to avoid the worst of, through judicious use of travel restrictions etc. Here in New Zealand we have seen a single case (traced to NSW) lead over four weeks to now more than 1,000 local infections despite an incredibly strict lockdown which was imposed almost immediately. Had that not been done, it's almost certain that the virus would have been rampant in this country and the chances of resuming normal interaction with other countries off the table indefinitely, of that I'm certain.

Avgeeks tend to see the world through a very narrow focus of aviation only. National and state governments have a myriad of complex and conflicting issues and concerns to balance when formulating aviation and travel policy in this environment. I don't think that any government is going to maintain border closures once a certain vaccination threshold has been achieved, but to expect aviation to open up when vaccination levels are at 36% (Australia) and 32% (New Zealand) seems like fantasyland when you consider the potential impact on the other 65%-odd of the population.

What I hear from people I deal with is that there is little appetite to travel internationally, despite all the boosters in the travel industry. Air NZ and Qantas found this also when the Tasman travel bubble was open - demand was much weaker than they anticipated despite the initial enthusiasm, and flights were being cancelled left, right and centre. The brightest spot for NZ was that they were able to offer up to 3x daily 789 flights to RAR, a little over capacity in a "normal" winter, but the Cook Islands had had no cases at all and the population is now around 90% vaccinated.

I'd go further, and predict that international air travel will never recover to pre-pandemic levels - I believe that "peak international travel" was probably in early 2020. There are so many countries around the world that people will be hesitant to visit in future - I detect a real reluctance on the part of many to even consider the UK or the USA as destinations for the foreseeable future. While airlines globally have put on a brave face and launched a frenzy of new routes, traffic is still languishing, and I suspect many routes may be cut or frequencies seriously reduced. And even when (if) travel eventually does recover there's climate change, though from its policies it appears that Australia considers itself immune from this threat, or exempt from meaningful action. To meet international obligations, though, either technology will have to advance sufficiently fast that zero-emission flights are possible on long-haul routes - or travel will be limited. Simple as that. So despite being a lifelong avgeek, I've come to the conclusion that my passion for aviation will need to be held in check. Sad, perhaps, but that's where we're heading.

The bright spot is the development of electric and hydrogen fuel cell aircraft, and both small carriers (Sounds Air) and large (Air NZ) have shown themselves to be at the forefront of planning around this. Not sure where Australian carriers are at on this, though? I think that the recovery will be domestic-led for sure and, with the eventual switch to zero-emission short-haul aircraft and a reduction in long-haul flying, aviation will take on a quite different shape to what we had pre-pandemic.
 
tullamarine
Posts: 2958
Joined: Thu Aug 05, 1999 1:14 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:42 am

What I hear from people I deal with is that there is little appetite to travel internationally, despite all the boosters in the travel industry. Air NZ and Qantas found this also when the Tasman travel bubble was open - demand was much weaker than they anticipated despite the initial enthusiasm, and flights were being cancelled left, right and centre. The brightest spot for NZ was that they were able to offer up to 3x daily 789 flights to RAR, a little over capacity in a "normal" winter, but the Cook Islands had had no cases at all and the population is now around 90% vaccinated.

I tend to disagree. Yes, international will initially come back a bit slowly but it will grow. Millennials expect to be able to travel as a rite of passage likewise empty nesters continue to plan for the holidays they couldn't afford whilst raising a family and business travel will return. Already my company has said we will have a 200 manager gathering in Europe in April and inconveniences such as home quarantine on return are expected and accepted..;.can't wait!!!

QF are reporting high demand and record search levels for their planned Christmas/New Year services to SIN, LHR and LAX. There is pent up demand from those wanting to see friends and family as well as those needing to travel for business or just wanting to holiday overseas. Prices are high by 2019 standards but hopefully they drop down as other airlines return to the market. I assume most are waiting for more clarity on green zone travel and home quarantine before committing.

The Tasman bubble failed for 2 reasons. One was the obvious issue that NZ and southern Australia aren't particularly compelling over winter unless you want to ski. It has always been off-peak. The main reason for failure was people didn't trust the bubble. They knew politicians had a hair trigger when it came to lockdowns and the risk of cancellation or worse, getting stuck, was very real. As it turned out, the people were right. International and, for that matter, domestic travel will return when people trust that they won't lose deposits, won't have cancellations and reschedules and won't get stuck. This will require governments to firmly follow what they say in their announcements.

International group travel will return more slowly. This is because a 3 day quarantine period at the start of a holiday probably destroys the economics of a tour particularly for those coming from countries where you only get a couple of weeks annual leave anyway. Inbound Chinese tourism into Australia will also take a while to come back whilst the games of political brinksmanship continue though, like most things, this will probably eventually return to a sustainable level.

The bright spot is the development of electric and hydrogen fuel cell aircraft, and both small carriers (Sounds Air) and large (Air NZ) have shown themselves to be at the forefront of planning around this. Not sure where Australian carriers are at on this, though? I think that the recovery will be domestic-led for sure and, with the eventual switch to zero-emission short-haul aircraft and a reduction in long-haul flying, aviation will take on a quite different shape to what we had pre-pandemic.

Low or zero emission travel will be a thing eventually but it is not imminent. These are fledgling technologies and will need to prove themselves safety wise before they can be considered for civil aviation. It is not like just putting wings on a Tesla. These technologies will need to develop in general aviation first; civil aviation demands a very high safety and redundancy hurdle. QF and VA are both supportive of a net zero target but this will be largely achieved via offsets before it is achieved through new technologies.
 
DavidByrne
Posts: 1956
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:42 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Sat Sep 18, 2021 5:33 am

tullamarine wrote:
Low or zero emission travel will be a thing eventually but it is not imminent. These are fledgling technologies and will need to prove themselves safety wise before they can be considered for civil aviation. It is not like just putting wings on a Tesla. These technologies will need to develop in general aviation first; civil aviation demands a very high safety and redundancy hurdle. QF and VA are both supportive of a net zero target but this will be largely achieved via offsets before it is achieved through new technologies.

I think it may be closer than we realise. Sounds Air in NZ is expecting to be operating the 19-seat Heart ES19 (of which United has ordered 200) by 2025. Yesterday NZ CEO Greg Foran said he was expecting to be flying a 100-ish seat "hydrogen-electroprop" (my word) by around 2030 and a "hydrogen-electrojet" capable of flying the Tasman by around 2035. Of course there are many safety and regulatory hurdles to overcome, but things are moving very, very fast.
 
BNEFlyer
Posts: 302
Joined: Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:41 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:36 am

VHOGU wrote:
Any news on when the Silkair 73’s will come on property for VA? Are they being painted in TSV or SIN?

9V-MGI will arrive in BNE this evening (21/09). It'll be refitted in BNE and painted in TSV.
 
tullamarine
Posts: 2958
Joined: Thu Aug 05, 1999 1:14 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:53 am

BNEFlyer wrote:
VHOGU wrote:
Any news on when the Silkair 73’s will come on property for VA? Are they being painted in TSV or SIN?

9V-MGI will arrive in BNE this evening (21/09). It'll be refitted in BNE and painted in TSV.

Departed SIN at 9:27AM (11:27EST) as SQ8890
 
User avatar
CraigAnderson
Posts: 769
Joined: Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:28 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:23 am

Qantas is doing an EZE-DRW repatriation flight on Oct 5, will be even longer in distance than PER-LHR and about as long in time as the proposed SYD-LHR 'Project Sunrise' flight. Must be a real stretch for the Boeing 787-9, especially as it'd have a lot of passengers, compared to the JFK-SYD and LHR-SYD Project Sunrise 'research flights' which were limited to something like 50 pax.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... st-flights
 
User avatar
EK413
Posts: 5742
Joined: Sat Nov 29, 2003 3:11 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:12 am

tullamarine wrote:
BNEFlyer wrote:
VHOGU wrote:
Any news on when the Silkair 73’s will come on property for VA? Are they being painted in TSV or SIN?

9V-MGI will arrive in BNE this evening (21/09). It'll be refitted in BNE and painted in TSV.

Departed SIN at 9:27AM (11:27EST) as SQ8890

Has just arrived in BNE.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
redroo
Posts: 609
Joined: Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:28 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:12 pm

[twoid][/twoid]
CraigAnderson wrote:
Qantas is doing an EZE-DRW repatriation flight on Oct 5, will be even longer in distance than PER-LHR and about as long in time as the proposed SYD-LHR 'Project Sunrise' flight. Must be a real stretch for the Boeing 787-9, especially as it'd have a lot of passengers, compared to the JFK-SYD and LHR-SYD Project Sunrise 'research flights' which were limited to something like 50 pax.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... st-flights


Anyone know the route?
 
x1234
Posts: 1178
Joined: Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:50 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:17 pm

Is the flight stopping in Darwin for quarantine purposes instead of flying EZE-SYD direct? Remember QF has ETOPS330 on its 787 fleet for South America to Oceania flights I believe.
 
User avatar
EK413
Posts: 5742
Joined: Sat Nov 29, 2003 3:11 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:49 pm

x1234 wrote:
Is the flight stopping in Darwin for quarantine purposes instead of flying EZE-SYD direct? Remember QF has ETOPS330 on its 787 fleet for South America to Oceania flights I believe.

All repatriation flights fly to DRW.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
User avatar
qf2220
Posts: 2109
Joined: Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:16 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:06 am

redroo wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]
CraigAnderson wrote:
Qantas is doing an EZE-DRW repatriation flight on Oct 5, will be even longer in distance than PER-LHR and about as long in time as the proposed SYD-LHR 'Project Sunrise' flight. Must be a real stretch for the Boeing 787-9, especially as it'd have a lot of passengers, compared to the JFK-SYD and LHR-SYD Project Sunrise 'research flights' which were limited to something like 50 pax.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... st-flights


Anyone know the route?


Will be interesting to know this. The GC map routing is quite polar

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=eze-drw
 
redroo
Posts: 609
Joined: Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:28 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:20 am

qf2220 wrote:
redroo wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]
CraigAnderson wrote:
Qantas is doing an EZE-DRW repatriation flight on Oct 5, will be even longer in distance than PER-LHR and about as long in time as the proposed SYD-LHR 'Project Sunrise' flight. Must be a real stretch for the Boeing 787-9, especially as it'd have a lot of passengers, compared to the JFK-SYD and LHR-SYD Project Sunrise 'research flights' which were limited to something like 50 pax.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... st-flights


Anyone know the route?


Will be interesting to know this. The GC map routing is quite polar

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=eze-drw


Yeah, that’s why I asked. The GC is way too south I think but I’m not a pilot! Interested to know though.
 
User avatar
qf2220
Posts: 2109
Joined: Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:16 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:54 am

@redroo yes agreed. Also not a pilot. @gemuser what is the furthest south QF 789s can fly (i think ive seen you post about this before?)?
 
User avatar
qf789
Moderator
Posts: 12019
Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:42 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:08 am

Virgin announces 4 weekly ADL-HBA and a return to 3 weekly PER-HBA both starting in October

https://newsroom.virginaustralia.com/re ... light-sale
 
Gemuser
Posts: 5140
Joined: Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:07 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:21 am

qf2220 wrote:
@redroo yes agreed. Also not a pilot. @gemuser what is the furthest south QF 789s can fly (i think ive seen you post about this before?)?

I'm not right up to date but generally operations below 60degrees South require CASA approval, as well as any required ETDO approval. Since the passing of greatly missed member Sunrise Valley, with whom
I had many interesting discussion on this topic both on the board & via IM, I have gone a bit cold on the topic.

One of the requirements is a plan to recover passengers & crew off the ice! That would be so expensive that it would probably bankrupt QF & their insurers! Of course CASA can grant a concession against any requirement, Would they in this case? Who knows I don't & can't guess.

If the B787 follows something like the GC route you would have to ask CASA what requirement were enforced. Given it is so early in the Antarctic Spring the weather would be a major factor & I would be very surprised if they are not forced to a more northly route. I would guess the route will be via CHC, it does not appear to get any where near 60 South.
The following map shows that CHC is only 3.4% longer than the GC route & even CPT < 25% longer. :
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=eze+-drw%2 ... 410&EU=kts

NB: I used the B777 engine out speed, as there was no B787 speed listed.

Gemuser
 
myki
Posts: 392
Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:43 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:23 am

qf2220 wrote:
@redroo yes agreed. Also not a pilot. @gemuser what is the furthest south QF 789s can fly (i think ive seen you post about this before?)?

I'd imagine passing USH, south of PPT and close to CHC? I am also no pilot, just a guess!
 
User avatar
qf789
Moderator
Posts: 12019
Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:42 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:44 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
Qantas is doing an EZE-DRW repatriation flight on Oct 5, will be even longer in distance than PER-LHR and about as long in time as the proposed SYD-LHR 'Project Sunrise' flight. Must be a real stretch for the Boeing 787-9, especially as it'd have a lot of passengers, compared to the JFK-SYD and LHR-SYD Project Sunrise 'research flights' which were limited to something like 50 pax.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... st-flights


EZE-DRW is only 100nm longer than PER-LHR, the block times are the same being at 17hours and 50 minutes, there is a PER-LHR flight operating today with that block time, ZNH currently positioning from BNE-PER, as for actual flying time PER-LHR has gone over the 18 hour mark several times and has exceeded 8000 nm on its actual flight several times

As for SYD-LHR we are talking around 21 hours flight time, the other way probably 18-19 hours so it is hardly comparable
 
melpax
Posts: 2197
Joined: Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:13 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:23 am

No fly-zone has been declared by CASA over inner Melbourne, at police request, for the next 5 days. Police wanted to stop media from showing live vision of the ongoing protests that have now been overtaken by the anti-vaxxer/conspiracy crowd.

Media organisations not happy about this situation. One TV network executive has just spoken on radio, and is talking about legal action to have it overturned. Have never heard of a no-fly zone being declared due to protests, a dangerous precedent.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 58tr6.html
 
User avatar
Chipmunk1973
Posts: 453
Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:23 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:30 am

BNEFlyer wrote:
VHOGU wrote:
Any news on when the Silkair 73’s will come on property for VA? Are they being painted in TSV or SIN?

9V-MGI will arrive in BNE this evening (21/09). It'll be refitted in BNE and painted in TSV.


Just curious about the “paint shop” in TSV. Is this owned by a carrier or a third party company?

Thanks.
 
tristans
Posts: 15
Joined: Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:57 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:58 am

Chipmunk1973 wrote:
BNEFlyer wrote:
VHOGU wrote:
Any news on when the Silkair 73’s will come on property for VA? Are they being painted in TSV or SIN?

9V-MGI will arrive in BNE this evening (21/09). It'll be refitted in BNE and painted in TSV.


Just curious about the “paint shop” in TSV. Is this owned by a carrier or a third party company?

Thanks.


Third Party, Flying Colours Aviation: https://www.flyingcoloursaviation.com/
 
qf2048
Posts: 177
Joined: Sat Apr 09, 2016 3:16 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:19 am

Having a bit of look into flights from SYD-HNL for mid next year and noticed the QF 3/4 has been renumbered to QF 103/104. Maybe they want to use 3/4 for a new "more prestigious" route?
 
melpax
Posts: 2197
Joined: Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:13 am

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:36 am

Police have agreed to some changes in the Melbourne no-fly zone. Pilots of TV choppers must get clearance from the police air wing before take-off, and footage must not be shown live, either on a 1 hour delay, or until the 'operation' has ended. At least 2 TV networks are still taking court action to have the no-fly rule overturned.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 58tou.html
 
Flyingsottsman
Posts: 848
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:32 pm

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2021

Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:47 am

qf789 wrote:
Virgin announces 4 weekly ADL-HBA and a return to 3 weekly PER-HBA both starting in October

https://newsroom.virginaustralia.com/re ... light-sale


Do you think Air New Zealand will come back to Hobart once the trans Tasman bubble is reinstated, and how was ANZ doing on the Auckland to Hobart before COVID were there good numbers between the 2 city's?

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos