jrfspa320 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Qantas is listing BNE-LAX as daily A332 from 26 Mar 22

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 35170?s=21

Also EBM positioned SYD-AUH last Wednesday, is this for mods for upcoming US routes

Do you know what the mods will involve to bump the MTOW, I thought QFs frames were too old? Will they be able to bump to the full 242t?

The maintenance visit doesn’t have anything to do with the US flying. It’s for a C check I believe.

eamondzhang wrote:

atal17 wrote:

A350OZ wrote:

Also just noticed QF1004 PER-HBA is an A332 tonight. Has that ever happened before? HBA doesn’t see widebodies that often.

Yes - Hobart Airport has bays capable of handling widebodies and I believe their runway was extended to handle widebody aircraft in 2017.

Additionally, I believe CX operated a few flights to HBA using an A350 (via Sydney either on the outbound or inbound), and QF operated direct evacuation flights from India last year using the B787.

HBA was supposed to handle the QF 744 Antarctica flight but the plan was cancelled as it was (I believe) pavement load limited

CX also operated 777-300ER freight flights into HBA from other ports in Australia and outbound was via MEL

Michael

We got a single QF 744 Antarctic flight back in 2018, a single QF 789 from Delhi last year, the other two were cancelled, and CX had a twice weekly 77W 'Preighter' routing HKG-SYD-HBA-MEL-HKG over the summer. HBA is yet to get an A350, though there are rumours that CX will resume their flights this summer with the A35X. Beyond that there's just been the occasional QF A330 or 787 charter, plus the French presidents A330 F-RARF, and a EuroAtlantic 767 last year flying French Antarctic expeditioners in and out.

The only regular scheduled passenger widebody was a once weekly QF 762 HBA-AKL over summer 1989/90, everything else has been freight, charters, or one offs.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ies-reopen

I wonder what other routes that QF would consider? And do they have enough aircraft in the fleet to do it?

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/qantas-to-fly-new-international-routes-in-2022-as-countries-reopen

I wonder what other routes that QF would consider? And do they have enough aircraft in the fleet to do it?

ORD

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/qantas-to-fly-new-international-routes-in-2022-as-countries-reopen

I wonder what other routes that QF would consider? And do they have enough aircraft in the fleet to do it?

The mentioned TPE/ICN with A330s, they have done pretty well with COVID. Not sure where else.

TPE ex-BNE, ICN ex-SYD (with QF's partner OZ being absorbed by KE) is just 2 suggestions where QF could serve with their own a/c.

I cant see TPE - it will have to be places with similar covid cases / outlook. ICN might work. Maybe HAN ?

SCFlyer wrote:

TPE ex-BNE, ICN ex-SYD (with QF's partner OZ being absorbed by KE) is just 2 suggestions where QF could serve with their own a/c.

Don't think they would do BNE-TPE. Yes its the largest market in Aus to TPE however, CI and especially BR already have market covered very strongly. I am sure they would give TPE-SYD a crack.

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/qantas-to-fly-new-international-routes-in-2022-as-countries-reopen

I wonder what other routes that QF would consider? And do they have enough aircraft in the fleet to do it?

Vietnam, Hanoi or Ho Chi would be nice, Ex Brissy would be even better , but unlikely. save transiting on the way. Done VN once not again thanks .

An767

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/qantas-to-fly-new-international-routes-in-2022-as-countries-reopen

I wonder what other routes that QF would consider? And do they have enough aircraft in the fleet to do it?

I guess it depends what opens up. They may do more Fiji flying from say MEL-BNE. They could start some pacific routes like RAR.

An767 wrote:

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/qantas-to-fly-new-international-routes-in-2022-as-countries-reopen

I wonder what other routes that QF would consider? And do they have enough aircraft in the fleet to do it?

Vietnam, Hanoi or Ho Chi would be nice, Ex Brissy would be even better , but unlikely. save transiting on the way. Done VN once not again thanks .

An767

I'd say they're more likely to be JQ 787 markets, imo.

SCFlyer wrote:

An767 wrote:

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/qantas-to-fly-new-international-routes-in-2022-as-countries-reopen

I wonder what other routes that QF would consider? And do they have enough aircraft in the fleet to do it?

Vietnam, Hanoi or Ho Chi would be nice, Ex Brissy would be even better , but unlikely. save transiting on the way. Done VN once not again thanks .

An767

I'd say they're more likely to be JQ 787 markets, imo.

JQ flew SYD-SGN didn't they? I think it was dropped before Covid though.

Pacific Islands, hmm SYD-PPT? That is an unserved market, QF served PPT enroute to LAX in the 742 days and continued it for a few years with an AKL-PPT service. The problem with RAR is there are so few hotel rooms.

Just a single Erickson Air Crane on contract this season. To be based at Moorabbin. WA getting two Blackhawks, SA one Blackhawk and two Blackhawks in NSW. RJ85 for both NSW and Victoria, Q400 now in QLD and will move to Victoria later this season. WA to get C-130. NSW will have their 737 back from the USA soon.

SCFlyer wrote:

An767 wrote:

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/qantas-to-fly-new-international-routes-in-2022-as-countries-reopen

I wonder what other routes that QF would consider? And do they have enough aircraft in the fleet to do it?

Vietnam, Hanoi or Ho Chi would be nice, Ex Brissy would be even better , but unlikely. save transiting on the way. Done VN once not again thanks .

An767

I'd say they're more likely to be JQ 787 markets, imo.

RAR too would fall into the JQ 787 market if it is a market worth pursuing. I don't think RAR is viable or competitive if it involves a transfer in AKL.

As MEL and SYD are on similar trajectories, vaccine wise, it is likely the state border between Vic and NSW will open earlier than others. Once this happens, it becomes less problematic opening int'l services from either port as more frequent domestic connections between the two become feasible which is important for both pax and repositioning deadheading crew.

Currently both Qld and WA are indicating they will keep their state borders closed until some time next year. This also means int'l services won't recommence from PER or BNE because QF will not have regular services where returning vaccinated pax have to go into 14 day hotel quarantine. At the moment, I think it is highly likely the initial return of QF9/10 services will be operating via DRW or SIN.

I was also wondering if some of the European airports previously serviced could be an option such as CDG and FRA? Would you fly them SYD via SIN or DRW because of the border issues between NSW and WA? From what I gather, even if QF take delivery of the three 789s currently in storage it might not be enough hardware to do each city 3x weekly; correct me if I am wrong.

tullamarine wrote:

Currently both Qld and WA are indicating they will keep their state borders closed until some time next year. This also means int'l services won't recommence from PER or BNE because QF will not have regular services where returning vaccinated pax have to go into 14 day hotel quarantine. At the moment, I think it is highly likely the initial return of QF9/10 services will be operating via DRW or SIN.

The NT Chief Minister has also said the 14 quarantine requirement from NSW and Victoria will still extend into next year so DRW is in the same boat as PER and BNE.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-07/ ... /100439562

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

I was also wondering if some of the European airports previously serviced could be an option such as CDG and FRA? Would you fly them SYD via SIN or DRW because of the border issues between NSW and WA? From what I gather, even if QF take delivery of the three 789s currently in storage it might not be enough hardware to do each city 3x weekly; correct me if I am wrong.

I think it will really depends on what quarantine arrangements Australia will have for international arrivals.

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

I was also wondering if some of the European airports previously serviced could be an option such as CDG and FRA? Would you fly them SYD via SIN or DRW because of the border issues between NSW and WA? From what I gather, even if QF take delivery of the three 789s currently in storage it might not be enough hardware to do each city 3x weekly; correct me if I am wrong.

If demand is such that QF believe they can launch new routes in Europe, I'd expect you'd see the A380 fleet be fully reactivated earlier.

ZK-NBT wrote:

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/qantas-to-fly-new-international-routes-in-2022-as-countries-reopen

I wonder what other routes that QF would consider? And do they have enough aircraft in the fleet to do it?

The mentioned TPE/ICN with A330s, they have done pretty well with COVID. Not sure where else.

Is ICN slot constrained? If yes would QF be able to pick up some slots in the KE/OZ merger process?

qf2220 wrote:

Is ICN slot constrained? If yes would QF be able to pick up some slots in the KE/OZ merger process?

Would they still have the slot that JQ had for OOL-ICN?

myki wrote:

qf2220 wrote:

Is ICN slot constrained? If yes would QF be able to pick up some slots in the KE/OZ merger process?

Would they still have the slot that JQ had for OOL-ICN?

ICN is pretty full from memory, I know NZ struggled to get good slots, JQ may have aswell? Maybe a few more available post COVID? The OZ/KE merger will be interesting, they compete on quite a few routes with similar timings, they can juggle their own slots at ICN to space flights out more or some destinations might reduce frequency? Anyway when did JQ drop ICN? Or was it suspended due to COVID?

tullamarine wrote:

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

I was also wondering if some of the European airports previously serviced could be an option such as CDG and FRA? Would you fly them SYD via SIN or DRW because of the border issues between NSW and WA? From what I gather, even if QF take delivery of the three 789s currently in storage it might not be enough hardware to do each city 3x weekly; correct me if I am wrong.

If demand is such that QF believe they can launch new routes in Europe, I'd expect you'd see the A380 fleet be fully reactivated earlier.

Interesting, with BNE getting long haul A332s it frees up 4 789s that were 'based" there. I think it could be possible to add a second European flight via PER or DRW, remembering there are 3 789s to be delivered aswell, then later you could free up 4 more 789s with MEL-LAX and SYD-DFW going A380s aswell, only SCL and JNB from the previous network need 789s they need 3 between them to be daily, anything in Asia can be done with A330s. There is also MEL-SFO which doesn't have a date to return.

qf2220 wrote:

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/qantas-to-fly-new-international-routes-in-2022-as-countries-reopen

I wonder what other routes that QF would consider? And do they have enough aircraft in the fleet to do it?

ORD

The company I work for has a major warehouse in Chicago and one in Brisbane, among others. I see plenty of DHL labels on freight with QF 081- waybill numbers that routed ORD-BNE. Think they'd do well with the cargo underneath.

tullamarine wrote:

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

I was also wondering if some of the European airports previously serviced could be an option such as CDG and FRA? Would you fly them SYD via SIN or DRW because of the border issues between NSW and WA? From what I gather, even if QF take delivery of the three 789s currently in storage it might not be enough hardware to do each city 3x weekly; correct me if I am wrong.

If demand is such that QF believe they can launch new routes in Europe, I'd expect you'd see the A380 fleet be fully reactivated earlier.

But would there such a demand for the likes of CDG and FRA to require an A380? I was always in the belief or understanding that these were more “premium” routes rather than just leisure. QFs 789s are quite premium focussed in their current configuration with a large % of J seats/semi-suites.

In a “normal” world, I can understand an A380 flying SYD-SIN-LHR. But given the way we’re trying to recover from CoVid, I would have thought a B789 would be sufficient for CDG and FRA for the time being. Just my understanding.

SCFlyer wrote:

TPE ex-BNE, ICN ex-SYD (with QF's partner OZ being absorbed by KE) is just 2 suggestions where QF could serve with their own a/c.

I've been wondering too if QF will get a codeshare with KE now OZ is being merged. KE won't have any non stop competition to ICN now.

qf2048 wrote:

qf2220 wrote:

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/qantas-to-fly-new-international-routes-in-2022-as-countries-reopen

I wonder what other routes that QF would consider? And do they have enough aircraft in the fleet to do it?

ORD

The company I work for has a major warehouse in Chicago and one in Brisbane, among others. I see plenty of DHL labels on freight with QF 081- waybill numbers that routed ORD-BNE. Think they'd do well with the cargo underneath.

Didnt the QF Freight 744s route ORD-xx-BNE for a while (do they still)?

qf2048 wrote:

SCFlyer wrote:

TPE ex-BNE, ICN ex-SYD (with QF's partner OZ being absorbed by KE) is just 2 suggestions where QF could serve with their own a/c.

I've been wondering too if QF will get a codeshare with KE now OZ is being merged. KE won't have any non stop competition to ICN now.

If HKG and SIN are anything to go by, probably not. Japan is slightly different given there is ANA, Korea probably changes from being in the Japan model of competition bucket to the HKG/SIN bucket.

qf2220 wrote:

qf2048 wrote:

qf2220 wrote:

ORD

The company I work for has a major warehouse in Chicago and one in Brisbane, among others. I see plenty of DHL labels on freight with QF 081- waybill numbers that routed ORD-BNE. Think they'd do well with the cargo underneath.

Didnt the QF Freight 744s route ORD-xx-BNE for a while (do they still)?

There may have been ad-hoc freighters through BNE, but no, they either go to SYD or MEL.

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

tullamarine wrote:

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

I was also wondering if some of the European airports previously serviced could be an option such as CDG and FRA? Would you fly them SYD via SIN or DRW because of the border issues between NSW and WA? From what I gather, even if QF take delivery of the three 789s currently in storage it might not be enough hardware to do each city 3x weekly; correct me if I am wrong.

If demand is such that QF believe they can launch new routes in Europe, I'd expect you'd see the A380 fleet be fully reactivated earlier.

But would there such a demand for the likes of CDG and FRA to require an A380? I was always in the belief or understanding that these were more “premium” routes rather than just leisure. QFs 789s are quite premium focussed in their current configuration with a large % of J seats/semi-suites.

In a “normal” world, I can understand an A380 flying SYD-SIN-LHR. But given the way we’re trying to recover from CoVid, I would have thought a B789 would be sufficient for CDG and FRA for the time being. Just my understanding.

No but if int'l travel comes back strongly then routes such as SYD-DFW and MEL-LAX may revert to A380 sooner which will free up 787s.

Virgin launching PER-LST direct from 5 Nov

https://www.examiner.com.au/story/74227 ... off/?cs=12

ZK-NBT wrote:

Interesting, with BNE getting long haul A332s it frees up 4 789s that were 'based" there. I think it could be possible to add a second European flight via PER or DRW, remembering there are 3 789s to be delivered aswell, then later you could free up 4 more 789s with MEL-LAX and SYD-DFW going A380s aswell, only SCL and JNB from the previous network need 789s they need 3 between them to be daily, anything in Asia can be done with A330s. There is also MEL-SFO which doesn't have a date to return.

You just reminded me - the QLD Government did some sort of deal with QF back in 2017 by agreeing to base some 787's in BNE. Not sure what the deal was but clearly off the table now or the agreement expired? I understand the landscape has of course, changed significantly

https://statements.qld.gov.au/statements/82450

Velocity7 wrote:

ZK-NBT wrote:

Interesting, with BNE getting long haul A332s it frees up 4 789s that were 'based" there. I think it could be possible to add a second European flight via PER or DRW, remembering there are 3 789s to be delivered aswell, then later you could free up 4 more 789s with MEL-LAX and SYD-DFW going A380s aswell, only SCL and JNB from the previous network need 789s they need 3 between them to be daily, anything in Asia can be done with A330s. There is also MEL-SFO which doesn't have a date to return.

You just reminded me - the QLD Government did some sort of deal with QF back in 2017 by agreeing to base some 787's in BNE. Not sure what the deal was but clearly off the table now or the agreement expired? I understand the landscape has of course, changed significantly

https://statements.qld.gov.au/statements/82450

I remembered that aswell, the flights are still there atleast, though tbh I don’t think QF see the A330s as a short term fix, they are going to the effort to raise the MTOW, and BNE is a little closer to the US than SYD/MEL making it the obvious choice.

ZK-NBT wrote:

Velocity7 wrote:

ZK-NBT wrote:

Interesting, with BNE getting long haul A332s it frees up 4 789s that were 'based" there. I think it could be possible to add a second European flight via PER or DRW, remembering there are 3 789s to be delivered aswell, then later you could free up 4 more 789s with MEL-LAX and SYD-DFW going A380s aswell, only SCL and JNB from the previous network need 789s they need 3 between them to be daily, anything in Asia can be done with A330s. There is also MEL-SFO which doesn't have a date to return.

You just reminded me - the QLD Government did some sort of deal with QF back in 2017 by agreeing to base some 787's in BNE. Not sure what the deal was but clearly off the table now or the agreement expired? I understand the landscape has of course, changed significantly

https://statements.qld.gov.au/statements/82450

I remembered that aswell, the flights are still there atleast, though tbh I don’t think QF see the A330s as a short term fix, they are going to the effort to raise the MTOW, and BNE is a little closer to the US than SYD/MEL making it the obvious choice.

Definitely a short term solution until international traffic picks up, A330’s are required to operate Trans Tasman, Inter Asia destinations & the remaining 3 x B789’s are delivered.


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Velocity7 wrote:

ZK-NBT wrote:

Interesting, with BNE getting long haul A332s it frees up 4 789s that were 'based" there. I think it could be possible to add a second European flight via PER or DRW, remembering there are 3 789s to be delivered aswell, then later you could free up 4 more 789s with MEL-LAX and SYD-DFW going A380s aswell, only SCL and JNB from the previous network need 789s they need 3 between them to be daily, anything in Asia can be done with A330s. There is also MEL-SFO which doesn't have a date to return.

You just reminded me - the QLD Government did some sort of deal with QF back in 2017 by agreeing to base some 787's in BNE. Not sure what the deal was but clearly off the table now or the agreement expired? I understand the landscape has of course, changed significantly

https://statements.qld.gov.au/statements/82450

Qantas loves a good government incentive scheme and has played desperate state politicians in a number of states like a fiddle when it comes to milking subsidies. QF have honored their agreement for BNE based maintenance which has provided some employment handily subsidised by the state government but, if anyone really though that would lead QF to operate uneconomic int'l flights out of BNE, they are dreaming.

ZK-NBT wrote:

Velocity7 wrote:

ZK-NBT wrote:

Interesting, with BNE getting long haul A332s it frees up 4 789s that were 'based" there. I think it could be possible to add a second European flight via PER or DRW, remembering there are 3 789s to be delivered aswell, then later you could free up 4 more 789s with MEL-LAX and SYD-DFW going A380s aswell, only SCL and JNB from the previous network need 789s they need 3 between them to be daily, anything in Asia can be done with A330s. There is also MEL-SFO which doesn't have a date to return.

You just reminded me - the QLD Government did some sort of deal with QF back in 2017 by agreeing to base some 787's in BNE. Not sure what the deal was but clearly off the table now or the agreement expired? I understand the landscape has of course, changed significantly

https://statements.qld.gov.au/statements/82450

I remembered that aswell, the flights are still there atleast, though tbh I don’t think QF see the A330s as a short term fix, they are going to the effort to raise the MTOW, and BNE is a little closer to the US than SYD/MEL making it the obvious choice.

I would agree that QF see it as a longer term solution. The A332 is probably right-sized for BNE-LAX and is less premium heavy which means there are still seats for business travel but not so many as to make the economics of the flight unviable.

The other alternative would've been having 2 configs on their 789 fleet, which would only had made sense had QF had a larger 789 fleet.

However with the small fleet of QF 789s, a subfleet for the 'less premium' routes would've likely been more expensive.

tullamarine wrote:

Velocity7 wrote:

ZK-NBT wrote:

Interesting, with BNE getting long haul A332s it frees up 4 789s that were 'based" there. I think it could be possible to add a second European flight via PER or DRW, remembering there are 3 789s to be delivered aswell, then later you could free up 4 more 789s with MEL-LAX and SYD-DFW going A380s aswell, only SCL and JNB from the previous network need 789s they need 3 between them to be daily, anything in Asia can be done with A330s. There is also MEL-SFO which doesn't have a date to return.

You just reminded me - the QLD Government did some sort of deal with QF back in 2017 by agreeing to base some 787's in BNE. Not sure what the deal was but clearly off the table now or the agreement expired? I understand the landscape has of course, changed significantly

https://statements.qld.gov.au/statements/82450

Qantas loves a good government incentive scheme and has played desperate state politicians in a number of states like a fiddle when it comes to milking subsidies. QF have honored their agreement for BNE based maintenance which has provided some employment handily subsidised by the state government but, if anyone really though that would lead QF to operate uneconomic int'l flights out of BNE, they are dreaming.

The only potentially ‘uneconomic’ route planned pre-pandemic was BNE-ORD, which presumably would have been replaced by SYD-ORD with the A350 had everything gone to plan. Given that BNE-SFO is coming back (albeit on the A330) Qantas were presumably confident that route would be successful. The agreement with QLD was for 4 787s, which pre-pandemic was to be 7x BNE-LAX, 4x BNE-SFO, 3x BNE-ORD. Had ORD been a complete flop, they could have put a 787 on BNE-SIN or BNE-HKG and still achieved 4 lines of flying. Obviously things have changed dramatically, but at the time it was a very, very low risk strategy to extract some government $$$.

Also the 787 agreement that the Qld Gov had with QF was never going to be seen on routes outside of BNE-USA flying, with the exception of the '4th' 787 temporarily being split between SYD-HKG and BNE-HKG for a brief period (during the AU Winter/Northern Summer off-peak period) when QF were negoitiating BNE-ORD rights.

EK413 wrote:

ZK-NBT wrote:

Velocity7 wrote:

You just reminded me - the QLD Government did some sort of deal with QF back in 2017 by agreeing to base some 787's in BNE. Not sure what the deal was but clearly off the table now or the agreement expired? I understand the landscape has of course, changed significantly

https://statements.qld.gov.au/statements/82450

I remembered that aswell, the flights are still there atleast, though tbh I don’t think QF see the A330s as a short term fix, they are going to the effort to raise the MTOW, and BNE is a little closer to the US than SYD/MEL making it the obvious choice.

Definitely a short term solution until international traffic picks up, A330’s are required to operate Trans Tasman, Inter Asia destinations & the remaining 3 x B789’s are delivered.


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Looking out to April 2022, along way out I know there are a few Tasman changes, only a single daily A330 SYD-AKL everything else is 738, though CNS-AKL from June is loaded as a 3 weekly A332, an additional daily 738 BNE-AKL making 3 daily 738s and a second daily SYD-CHC plus the EK A380.

Within Asia sure there is still BKK/MNL/DPS/CGK/PVG and additional daily SIN/HKG/HND, are all A330s back in service as of now? And plenty are loaded on MEL/SYD-PER that could go 738, though the 738 fleet must be fairly well used.

When are the additional 789s to be delivered? I am picking by late 2022? As I said 2 will be freed up in July when SYD-LAX goes A380 and another 3 when SYD-SIN-LHR goes A380 in Nov 2022, we still have SCL/JNB/MEL-SFO to return if they do in some cases, while A380s hopefully in 2023 will return to DFW and MEL-LAX, AJ is talking about some "different" new routes, I am starting to wonder things going well if we might see another PER/DRW-Europe run.

789s 2023 could be
MEL-PER-LHR-PER-MEL-SFO/LAX daily 4 aircraft
SYD-JNB daily 1.5 aircraft
SYD-SCL daily 1.5 aircraft
SYD-YVR 3 weekly 1 aircraft

That is only 8 frames so yes they could send 4 back to BNE-US and still have 2 , more like 1 with 1 spare, but I could certainly see another European route ex PER/DRW. Possibly SYD-HND?

It seems alot of work to do on 8 A332s for a short term solution on BNE-US which I think certainly isn't as high yeilding as MEL/SYD.

Also Trans tasman will demand will depend on NZs border strategy. If they remain very risk averse i cant see any widebodies returning to the tasman, at least in the short term.

Around the Christmas/NY period QF has loaded 10-11 x daily on PER-MEL with about 3-5 services on A330s and the rest 737s.

Granted, I predict the majority of these will be cancelled if McGowan keeps the border shut.

ZK-NBT wrote:

EK413 wrote:

ZK-NBT wrote:

I remembered that aswell, the flights are still there atleast, though tbh I don’t think QF see the A330s as a short term fix, they are going to the effort to raise the MTOW, and BNE is a little closer to the US than SYD/MEL making it the obvious choice.

Definitely a short term solution until international traffic picks up, A330’s are required to operate Trans Tasman, Inter Asia destinations & the remaining 3 x B789’s are delivered.


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It seems alot of work to do on 8 A332s for a short term solution on BNE-US which I think certainly isn't as high yeilding as MEL/SYD.

Do we even know what is involved to increase the MTOW on the 8 x A332’s…

I understand their would be hardware works and perhaps structural works?


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EK413 wrote:

ZK-NBT wrote:

EK413 wrote:

Definitely a short term solution until international traffic picks up, A330’s are required to operate Trans Tasman, Inter Asia destinations & the remaining 3 x B789’s are delivered.


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It seems alot of work to do on 8 A332s for a short term solution on BNE-US which I think certainly isn't as high yeilding as MEL/SYD.

Do we even know what is involved to increase the MTOW on the 8 x A332’s…

I understand their would be hardware works and perhaps structural works?


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No we don't, from what I gather past a certain L/N Airbus are able to upgrade existing frames to 242T from 238T? I think these particular newer QF frames are 238T? Do they need to actually increase fuel capacity aswell? So adding another fuel tank somewhere? So possibly a little structural work as well. Either way i am sure it is more than just paperwork in this case otherwise they might have done it earlier, A332s were mentioned for BNE-LAX-JFK a few years ago when AKL-LAX was dropped I think, and then again when there was a shortage of 744/380 5-6 years ago IIRC, if it was a simple fix you would think it would have been done then?

[quote="tullamarine"I would agree that QF see it as a longer term solution. The A332 is probably right-sized for BNE-LAX and is less premium heavy which means there are still seats for business travel but not so many as to make the economics of the flight unviable.[/quote]

Are there any other routes apart from BNE to LAX & SFO where a '332LR' might be useful for Qantas, assuming a 787 takes over those routes as the new 787s arrive and the A380s come back?

If QF are trying to make the most out of their fleet by flying the A332 from BNE to US destinations, why not look at another alternative. They could potentially take 3 or 4 B788s from JQ and reconfigure them to a 3 class (J/W/Y). Given I have no idea how much an aeroplane repaint and reconfig’ is, is this more expensive than what they’re currently proposing?

Thanks.

CraigAnderson wrote:

[quote="tullamarine"I would agree that QF see it as a longer term solution. The A332 is probably right-sized for BNE-LAX and is less premium heavy which means there are still seats for business travel but not so many as to make the economics of the flight unviable.

Are there any other routes apart from BNE to LAX & SFO where a '332LR' might be useful for Qantas, assuming a 787 takes over those routes as the new 787s arrive and the A380s come back?

I would say these aircraft would be attractive on QF returning to India

Do we even know what is involved to increase the MTOW on the 8 x A332’s…

I understand their would be hardware works and perhaps structural works?


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Please don’t take this as gospel as I’m relying on memory here. But I believe from what I saw in a couple of the A330 threads, many moons ago, there was a slight beefing up of the MLG so they could tank more fuel. I think that A.Netter Zeke has a good knowledge of Airbus frames.

qf789 wrote:

CraigAnderson wrote:

[quote="tullamarine"I would agree that QF see it as a longer term solution. The A332 is probably right-sized for BNE-LAX and is less premium heavy which means there are still seats for business travel but not so many as to make the economics of the flight unviable.

Are there any other routes apart from BNE to LAX & SFO where a '332LR' might be useful for Qantas, assuming a 787 takes over those routes as the new 787s arrive and the A380s come back?

I would say these aircraft would be attractive on QF returning to India

The A332 can already do flights to India. India is a hard market given there is no obvious single destination. Delhi, Mumbai and Kolkata are all possible but domestic travel in India is chaotic so connections are not attractive. That is why the old SIN scissor hub with 9W was so goid but QF has been unable to find an equivalent partner since Jet’s demise.

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

Do we even know what is involved to increase the MTOW on the 8 x A332’s…

I understand their would be hardware works and perhaps structural works?


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Please don’t take this as gospel as I’m relying on memory here. But I believe from what I saw in a couple of the A330 threads, many moons ago, there was a slight beefing up of the MLG so they could tank more fuel. I think that A.Netter Zeke has a good knowledge of Airbus frames.[/quote]

I thought it was 4 frames being modified, when did it become 8 ?

LTEN11 wrote:

Chipmunk1973 wrote:

Do we even know what is involved to increase the MTOW on the 8 x A332’s…

I understand their would be hardware works and perhaps structural works?


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Please don’t take this as gospel as I’m relying on memory here. But I believe from what I saw in a couple of the A330 threads, many moons ago, there was a slight beefing up of the MLG so they could tank more fuel. I think that A.Netter Zeke has a good knowledge of Airbus frames.

I thought it was 4 frames being modified, when did it become 8 ?[/quote]

Sorry, I stuffed up my quote from EK413.