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Icelandair asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:08 am

Anyone know how this could possibly be profitable especially with the lack of utilization as pointed out in the article?

https://onemileatatime.com/news/iceland ... na-flight/
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:27 am

You get to utilise an otherwise unused frame on behalf of a travel company. I'm not sure it does make sense, but it doesn't seem like it's going to be completely at risk
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:43 am

Why not. Makes sense. Let's hope there's no political meddling and that the DOT grants them approval.
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:16 am

Nearly every American carrier with rights to Cuba will object this
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:17 am

INFINITI329 wrote:
Nearly every American carrier with rights to Cuba will object this



Are any of them flying to Cuba outside Miami?

That bloodbath has come and gone
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:53 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:
Nearly every American carrier with rights to Cuba will object this



Are any of them flying to Cuba outside Miami?

That bloodbath has come and gone


One might expect objections even from a carrier or two not flying Florida-Havana. Lawyers (internal or outside counsel) stay busy.
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:20 am

INFINITI329 wrote:
Nearly every American carrier with rights to Cuba will object this


If an American tour operator with an air certificate ala ... Morris Air, could charter the aircraft upon it's MCO arrival from KEF, a market that can't have scheduled service, but can have a scheduled charter, they can take if for the dayfly to & from MCO & HAV, if the charter operation rights are available why not?
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:32 am

Agreed.

For instance Vacation Express charters/ed a Canadian carrier, Sunwing (WG), to operate from points in the US to the Caribbean. They will be operating flights for the charter company next year and have in previous years from BNA, CVG, etc.


RWA380 wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:
Nearly every American carrier with rights to Cuba will object this


If an American tour operator with an air certificate ala ... Morris Air, could charter the aircraft upon it's MCO arrival from KEF, a market that can't have scheduled service, but can have a scheduled charter, they can take if for the dayfly to & from MCO & HAV, if the charter operation rights are available why not?
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:45 am

I remember Icelandair was contracted in the past by Apple Vacations to fly US-Mexico charters.
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:28 pm

Icelandair has also flown on behalf of Santa Barbara Airlines, they flew MIA-CCS and MIA-MAR.
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:53 pm

hpff wrote:
You get to utilise an otherwise unused frame on behalf of a travel company. I'm not sure it does make sense, but it doesn't seem like it's going to be completely at risk


At risk of what, or to what?
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:03 pm

Vicenza wrote:
hpff wrote:
You get to utilise an otherwise unused frame on behalf of a travel company. I'm not sure it does make sense, but it doesn't seem like it's going to be completely at risk


At risk of what, or to what?


At risk means financially at risk, as in Iceland Air bears the financial risk (profits or losses) of the operation. The other option is the charter company paying for the flight in full, and Iceland Air not having an upside if the plane goes out full or a downside if the plane goes out with 22 passengers.
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:34 pm

I recall for at least a month before WOW folded that they operated MIA-HAV and MIA-SNU for Gulfstream Air Charter, in that the concept of an Icelandic carrier operating between the US and Cuba wouldn't be totally new. Icelandair presumably won't be using all of their fleet for this part of the season anyway whether there won't be as much demand between Europe/US for winter regardless of travel restrictions, that they can afford to have an aircraft do these.
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:42 pm

Icelandair also sits their planes for quite a good chunk of time at MCO (among other stations) in order to connect better when returning to Iceland. It is not like they would have to totally restructure schedules in order to make this work, should they be granted operating rights.
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:55 am

It's 2021 and demand is still very low for icelandair. They don't have anything better and this would be pretty easy for them to pull off. Makes sense for them to try, it's very unlikely to get approved but they have nothing better so mine as well try
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:46 pm

It's likely demand from the Icelandic side for Cuba that is driving the request since their government doesn't slap its people with the same restrictions the US government imposes on its people. Currently, there are only about two flights a day from the US to Havana, so it will be interesting to see if demand picks up when COVID restrictions are lifted in November.
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:46 pm

usdcaguy wrote:
It's likely demand from the Icelandic side for Cuba that is driving the request since their government doesn't slap its people with the same restrictions the US government imposes on its people. Currently, there are only about two flights a day from the US to Havana, so it will be interesting to see if demand picks up when COVID restrictions are lifted in November.


Why wouldn’t they just fly direct then?

It’s not like this is a continuation flight, it’s a flight on a completely different day.
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Sat Sep 18, 2021 7:38 pm

So much negativity! Why not? More competition, more interesting “exotic” routes, as avgeeks we should be all over this!
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:58 pm

These would be operated as charter flights on behalf of Anmart Superior Travel (Anmart Air).

The web-page of this travel agency looks like a 5year old did it... Honestly, how can such a company have enough money to Charter flights; but not enough for the most basic webdesign?!

https://anmartsuperiortravel.com/anmart-air
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:01 pm

debonair wrote:
These would be operated as charter flights on behalf of Anmart Superior Travel (Anmart Air).

The web-page of this travel agency looks like a 5year old did it... Honestly, how can such a company have enough money to Charter flights; but not enough for the most basic webdesign?!

https://anmartsuperiortravel.com/anmart-air


yeah, it's really bad... especially becuase they use computer generated animation in their destination gallery photos. that's a 2 hour site builder website....
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:54 am

USAirKid wrote:
usdcaguy wrote:
It's likely demand from the Icelandic side for Cuba that is driving the request since their government doesn't slap its people with the same restrictions the US government imposes on its people. Currently, there are only about two flights a day from the US to Havana, so it will be interesting to see if demand picks up when COVID restrictions are lifted in November.


Why wouldn’t they just fly direct then?

It’s not like this is a continuation flight, it’s a flight on a completely different day.


That likely doesn't matter. I assume that there will be a way for Icelandair to offer continuing service to Havana to customers originating in Iceland once approval goes through.
 
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Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:05 am

usdcaguy wrote:
USAirKid wrote:
usdcaguy wrote:
It's likely demand from the Icelandic side for Cuba that is driving the request since their government doesn't slap its people with the same restrictions the US government imposes on its people. Currently, there are only about two flights a day from the US to Havana, so it will be interesting to see if demand picks up when COVID restrictions are lifted in November.


Why wouldn’t they just fly direct then?

It’s not like this is a continuation flight, it’s a flight on a completely different day.


That likely doesn't matter. I assume that there will be a way for Icelandair to offer continuing service to Havana to customers originating in Iceland once approval goes through.


And they’re going to put the passengers up on a hotel for the overnight?
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:58 am

usdcaguy wrote:
USAirKid wrote:
usdcaguy wrote:
It's likely demand from the Icelandic side for Cuba that is driving the request since their government doesn't slap its people with the same restrictions the US government imposes on its people. Currently, there are only about two flights a day from the US to Havana, so it will be interesting to see if demand picks up when COVID restrictions are lifted in November.


Why wouldn’t they just fly direct then?

It’s not like this is a continuation flight, it’s a flight on a completely different day.


That likely doesn't matter. I assume that there will be a way for Icelandair to offer continuing service to Havana to customers originating in Iceland once approval goes through.

It has nothing to do with Iceland. These are charter flight-Icelandair is not the ones selling the seats.

If one reads the article they would see the charter flights are on behalf of Anmart Superior Travel, which a google search will tell you is a local Miami travel agent. Icelanders are not booking Cuban travel through small no name Miami based travel agents. Anmart is targeting local Miami/Florida passengers, especially the large Cuban diaspora in south Florida. Icelandair is being used because they bid the lowest or where the only ones with planes available at desired times for the work.

Charters to Cuba from Miami especially have been going on for decades, long before scheduled service was even allowed. Often multi times daily. There are many loopholes (and legitimate reasons) available to get to Cuba from the US for US citizens; those south Florida travel agents know how to work the system.
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Sat Oct 16, 2021 1:48 pm

Flights are set for every Tuesday, from October 26 through December 14.
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:20 pm

USAirKid wrote:
usdcaguy wrote:
It's likely demand from the Icelandic side for Cuba that is driving the request since their government doesn't slap its people with the same restrictions the US government imposes on its people. Currently, there are only about two flights a day from the US to Havana, so it will be interesting to see if demand picks up when COVID restrictions are lifted in November.


Why wouldn’t they just fly direct then?

It’s not like this is a continuation flight, it’s a flight on a completely different day.



If you read the article and the other comments. The plane sits in Orlando for close to 2 days before going back to Iceland. The crew willy fly Keflavik-MCO, get their rest then fly MCO-HAV, HAV-MCO......rest again before flying MCO-Keflavik on Wednesday.

Icelandair had flown charters for a number of other tour operators in the past. Apple vacations and Santa Barbara airlines of Venezuela to name a couple. Sunwing of Canada has also flown U.S. to Caribbean Charters and I've never seen a great cry of objection from U.S. carriers big or small so I'm guessing the permission Icelandair is waiting on is more of a technicality than anything controversial, especially as they seem to have already built their fall schedule around it.
 
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Re: Iceland Air asks for permission to fly charters from MCO to HAV

Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:06 pm

spinkid wrote:
USAirKid wrote:
usdcaguy wrote:
It's likely demand from the Icelandic side for Cuba that is driving the request since their government doesn't slap its people with the same restrictions the US government imposes on its people. Currently, there are only about two flights a day from the US to Havana, so it will be interesting to see if demand picks up when COVID restrictions are lifted in November.


Why wouldn’t they just fly direct then?

It’s not like this is a continuation flight, it’s a flight on a completely different day.



If you read the article and the other comments. The plane sits in Orlando for close to 2 days before going back to Iceland. The crew willy fly Keflavik-MCO, get their rest then fly MCO-HAV, HAV-MCO......rest again before flying MCO-Keflavik on Wednesday.

Icelandair had flown charters for a number of other tour operators in the past. Apple vacations and Santa Barbara airlines of Venezuela to name a couple. Sunwing of Canada has also flown U.S. to Caribbean Charters and I've never seen a great cry of objection from U.S. carriers big or small so I'm guessing the permission Icelandair is waiting on is more of a technicality than anything controversial, especially as they seem to have already built their fall schedule around it.


Agreed. usdcaguy made it seem as if this was being done for passengers from Keflavik, its not. This is pretty much a play for utilization from Icelandair. The tour operator probably has covered the marginal costs, plus a little profit for Icelandair, which is better than letting the plane sit.

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