aklak wrote:You're fundamentally misunderstanding Swoop's business model. They didn't set up on the routes because someone at WestJet route planning went "Oh! Those are fantastic city pairs! Why didn't we think of that?!" The whole purpose of Swoop is to undermine LCCs, and it doesn't matter if they actually make a profit; they aren't following Flair because those are great routes and they can make money, they're doing it to wreck the competition, even if they run a loss. The fact that Swoop has followed Flair is absolutely NOT evidence that Flair has some genius outsiders who can see parts of the Canadian market that no one else could before. As soon as there are no more ULCCs left, Swoop will cut low-margin routes and raise prices almost to where WestJet's are. Swoop is a knife meant to bleed Flair dry.
I’m flattered that you’re only reading my posts, and evidently not the posts I’m responding to. That’s resulted in an understandable lack of context. So let me summarize it for you.
- Literally everyone knows Swoop is out to bleed F8 dry. It’s not rocket science. It fits with WS’ long history of imitating others; now it’s doing what AC did to it in the early 2000s (which it complained about to everyone and their dog).
- The Canadian aviation market doesn’t function normally. Normally functioning markets don’t increase by 20% in a 5 year period (4 times faster than population growth). That matters here insofar as we don’t know what demand on many of these routes is; we only know that AC/WS have no interest in serving them. Ergo, dismissing odd city pairings is as daft as calling them ingenious. Which nobody has; benefit of doubt =/= “ingenuity”.
- The self-evident stupidity of WS burning cash on routes it’s “insiders” claim are loss makers, to put a “ponzi scheme” airline out of business … is simply to rich to pass up on.
aklak wrote:WestJet and Air Canada have been run by foreigners for a long time, and quite profitably until 2020, so I'm not sure why you're so adamant about Flair's management being better because they're not Canadian. Why do you have so much contempt for Canadians anyway? Why do you care about the Canadian aviation industry if you think Canadians are so terrible and short-sighted? And for someone who purports not to care about Flair, you sure do spend a lot of time arguing in their favour and hand-waving away all the indications that Flair management doesn't know what they're doing.
Again, flattered that you’re reading my posts, not what they’re in response to, so allow me:
- I don’t have contempt for “Canadians” (I am one); I have nothing but the purest contempt for that xenophobic notion of “Canadian experience” - one that’s caused significant unemployment and underemployment of skilled immigrants in Canada. (Google it on your own time). Various posters here have pushed that theme.
- For what it’s worth, the Swoop thesis you’ve laid out (drive competition out/ raise prices to mainline) above is an excellent example of “contempt for Canadians” - burning money to deprive Canadians of low cost options to visit other parts of the country, and to deprive the Canadian tourism industry of these tourists. Would it be unfair to call Canadian proponents/supporters of this approach “short-sighted”?
- I don’t think F8’s management is the best there was, and ever will be. I think they deserve a chance, instead of being dismissed straight off the bat. They have some decent and experienced ULCC talent in there. And they’re certainly a breath of fresh air compared to the “Canadian” talent who previously dominated a lot of the Canadian ULCC paper tiger domain. The ones that the WS “insider” refers to as ponzi schemers - who still haven’t flown one Canadian 5-6 years later.
- The discussion of the Deer Lake - Kitchener route sums it up nicely. Someone here pops up with the route without any context. Others pile in to inform us that F8 has a dartboard approach. And then it transpires that F8 is actually working with a provincial government at the provincial governments request: the closest you can get to a charter flight that, we are reliably informed here, worked so well for F8 before it ventured into the ULCC world.
I don’t particularly care if you think I’m affiliated with F8.