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DY789 wrote:I'd have thought Air China. Even brand new planes look 15+ yrs old!
PapaLimaSierra wrote:Surprised that no one has mentioned Philippine Airlines. The basic livery remained untouched since 1986. Font was enlarged only on the 777-300ER in 2009, and the addition of the belly logo and the sunriser on the inner winglets on the A350 back in 2018, with the sunriser on the inner winglets on newly painted A321ceos and A321Nx aircraft.
flyinggoat wrote:I believe Philippine Airlines has had the same livery since the late ‘80s or early ‘90s. One of the most bland liveries out there, IMO.
PapaLimaSierra wrote:Surprised that no one has mentioned Philippine Airlines.
330lover wrote:DY789 wrote:I'd have thought Air China. Even brand new planes look 15+ yrs old!
Air China's livery is indeed 'classic', but in my opinion, it is one of the best examples that cheatlines (for some: 'oldfashioned' liveries) can be timeless.
However not the best looking livery in the skies, but never get bored of it either. It is simple, recognizable, I actually like it.
YMHBSpotting wrote:Rajahdhani wrote:Does anyone know when we arrived to a modern-esque Qantas era of the livery?
As far as I can see, the 1971 retro-jet did have cheat lines, but also possessed the iconic Kangaroo tail.
Qantas have had a variation on the Kangaroo logo since the 40s, but the livery most similar today's was introduced in 1984, downward kangaroo leg, gold stripe on the tail and blocky text. There was a minor tweak in 2007, changing the position of the kangaroo leg, dropping the gold stripe, and a font change, but that was superseded in 2016 with the current livery, stylized kangaroo, belly logo, silver stripe, and new font, however some aircraft skipped the 2007 livery completely, being repainted into the 2016 scheme straight from the 1984 one.
Rajahdhani wrote:YMHBSpotting wrote:Rajahdhani wrote:Does anyone know when we arrived to a modern-esque Qantas era of the livery?
As far as I can see, the 1971 retro-jet did have cheat lines, but also possessed the iconic Kangaroo tail.
Qantas have had a variation on the Kangaroo logo since the 40s, but the livery most similar today's was introduced in 1984, downward kangaroo leg, gold stripe on the tail and blocky text. There was a minor tweak in 2007, changing the position of the kangaroo leg, dropping the gold stripe, and a font change, but that was superseded in 2016 with the current livery, stylized kangaroo, belly logo, silver stripe, and new font, however some aircraft skipped the 2007 livery completely, being repainted into the 2016 scheme straight from the 1984 one.
1). Wow.
2). A massive thank you!
3). It took me ages to get what little information I could, and this frankly blew me out of the water. May I ask, what resources did you use, if any to keep up on knowledge regarding c/s or liveries, or branding? I ask, fully knowing that this kind of knowledge has come from the history and soul of a career and a likely has nuances and slivers of silver knowledge that the rest of us might not be able to think of (the 'skipping' to 1984 - prior to this, I was having literature flashback).
Kinda odd to ask, but I would be remiss if I didn't - what caused the change in 1984? Of late, and as an American - we often see livery changes after a merger, or emergence from bankruptcy. The best research led me to understand that the 767 was slated for debut.
Rajahdhani wrote:Does anyone know when we arrived to a modern-esque Qantas era of the livery?
As far as I can see, the 1971 retro-jet did have cheat lines, but also possessed the iconic Kangaroo tail.
oldannyboy wrote:I agree with those who are suggesting that above modifications of liveries are not at all that minor.....
And unfailingly -to me at least- the end result is a livery that is more nondescript and generic... with more white, less color, less character...
I hate the modernised Qantas livery with the "crippled" arm-less 'roo. Hate also the flowy KLM chin-job, as well as the lack of a thicker, more solid, dark blue cheatline. The LH livery without the yellow 'Spiegelei'...well don't even get me started...it's just plain terrible... Yemenia going euro-white (euro-shythe) is bland as overcooked white rice.. and those who have removed the cheatline from the classy LOT livery should serve time in a prison to ponder on their crime...
On a more positive note: I think the people at Alitalia have done a good job, considering they were coming from a truly iconic Landor Associates masterpiece. Kudos to Royal Air Maroc for keeping some colour as well, that looks nice.
And of course hat off to those at TAAG for having the guts to contradict forced meaningless modernisation at all costs, and reinstate some sense in the heads of those who came up with the 'new' design.
Aside from the lack of inspiration and the blandness of the newer designs, I invariably get really worked up whenever I read the presentations (the "spiel" I call it) done by the highly [over]paid and [over]zealous individuals at design companies...the shit we had to listen to and endure in the Lufthansa presentation was beyond laughable. To think they have merely tampered with a classy timeless design, and got paid for actually removing some yellow and changing the shade of blues is nothing short of shameful.
lh346 wrote:Iberia, Cubana, FedEx, UPS
Polot wrote:lh346 wrote:Iberia, Cubana, FedEx, UPS
Iberia’s livery is only 8 years old.
Flyingsottsman wrote:oldannyboy wrote:I agree with those who are suggesting that above modifications of liveries are not at all that minor.....
And unfailingly -to me at least- the end result is a livery that is more nondescript and generic... with more white, less color, less character...
I hate the modernised Qantas livery with the "crippled" arm-less 'roo. Hate also the flowy KLM chin-job, as well as the lack of a thicker, more solid, dark blue cheatline. The LH livery without the yellow 'Spiegelei'...well don't even get me started...it's just plain terrible... Yemenia going euro-white (euro-shythe) is bland as overcooked white rice.. and those who have removed the cheatline from the classy LOT livery should serve time in a prison to ponder on their crime...
On a more positive note: I think the people at Alitalia have done a good job, considering they were coming from a truly iconic Landor Associates masterpiece. Kudos to Royal Air Maroc for keeping some colour as well, that looks nice.
And of course hat off to those at TAAG for having the guts to contradict forced meaningless modernisation at all costs, and reinstate some sense in the heads of those who came up with the 'new' design.
Aside from the lack of inspiration and the blandness of the newer designs, I invariably get really worked up whenever I read the presentations (the "spiel" I call it) done by the highly [over]paid and [over]zealous individuals at design companies...the shit we had to listen to and endure in the Lufthansa presentation was beyond laughable. To think they have merely tampered with a classy timeless design, and got paid for actually removing some yellow and changing the shade of blues is nothing short of shameful.
Yes well said I agree with every thing you have said there, IB looks like a Qantas with a bit of yellow in it that day they must have ran out of ideas and gone " ok fellers let go with the Qantas livery and just put a bit of yellow in it" I do like KLM, so glad they did not go Euro white with just the rear end painted, what the hell has Aer Lingus done? Japan Airlines, China Eastern, put some colour or a cheat line somewhere to break up the white. It would be nice for some one today to come up with an original livery. Our airports are boring now no variety of aircraft and very little colour.
lh346 wrote:
Saudia just released a couple of special liveries to celebrate their 75th. Feels like their current c/s has been around for a minute.
lh346 wrote:Polot wrote:lh346 wrote:Iberia, Cubana, FedEx, UPS
Iberia’s livery is only 8 years old.
Good call Polot - love a good discussion. Saudia just released a couple of special liveries to celebrate their 75th. Feels like their current c/s has been around for a minute.
And, JetBlue? They're not a 'historic' airline, but couldn't one technically say they're still flying in the colors they launched with?
NameOmitted wrote:Her sister-ship (in the background) has been repainted, so I don't know how long it will last.
robleroy121721 wrote:Boeing757100 wrote:GatorClark wrote:Up until 2013, American probably had the oldest without changing as they had the red, white, & blue stripes on the polished metal skin. They only developed a new livery because of the introduction of aircraft with composite structures such as A320 family and the 787. The polished metal debuted in the late 60's and lasted until 2013 as the standard livery.
As stupid as it sounds, do you think AA would have kept the bare metal livery if not for planes like the 787?
Since AAL was under Chapter 11 back then, 2013 marked their exit and their new livery represented that, not just the merger with US Airways. If the composite materials were in the way, they could've gone the same way they did with the A300's and MD-90's.
GatorClark wrote:robleroy121721 wrote:Boeing757100 wrote:
As stupid as it sounds, do you think AA would have kept the bare metal livery if not for planes like the 787?
Since AAL was under Chapter 11 back then, 2013 marked their exit and their new livery represented that, not just the merger with US Airways. If the composite materials were in the way, they could've gone the same way they did with the A300's and MD-90's.
Not saying I disagree with you, but how many times did they go in and out of Chapter 11 prior to introducing the new livery? What made 2013 any different?
oldannyboy wrote:I agree with those who are suggesting that above modifications of liveries are not at all that minor.....
And unfailingly -to me at least- the end result is a livery that is more nondescript and generic... with more white, less color, less character...
I hate the modernised Qantas livery with the "crippled" arm-less 'roo. Hate also the flowy KLM chin-job, as well as the lack of a thicker, more solid, dark blue cheatline. The LH livery without the yellow 'Spiegelei'...well don't even get me started...it's just plain terrible... Yemenia going euro-white (euro-shythe) is bland as overcooked white rice.. and those who have removed the cheatline from the classy LOT livery should serve time in a prison to ponder on their crime...
On a more positive note: I think the people at Alitalia have done a good job, considering they were coming from a truly iconic Landor Associates masterpiece. Kudos to Royal Air Maroc for keeping some colour as well, that looks nice.
And of course hat off to those at TAAG for having the guts to contradict forced meaningless modernisation at all costs, and reinstate some sense in the heads of those who came up with the 'new' design.
Aside from the lack of inspiration and the blandness of the newer designs, I invariably get really worked up whenever I read the presentations (the "spiel" I call it) done by the highly [over]paid and [over]zealous individuals at design companies...the shit we had to listen to and endure in the Lufthansa presentation was beyond laughable. To think they have merely tampered with a classy timeless design, and got paid for actually removing some yellow and changing the shade of blues is nothing short of shameful.
Flyingsottsman wrote:Has Qatar Airways had their scheme from the start, I dont think that livery has changed much. That Orix tail seems to have been around for a long time.
mga707 wrote:GatorClark wrote:robleroy121721 wrote:
Since AAL was under Chapter 11 back then, 2013 marked their exit and their new livery represented that, not just the merger with US Airways. If the composite materials were in the way, they could've gone the same way they did with the A300's and MD-90's.
Not saying I disagree with you, but how many times did they go in and out of Chapter 11 prior to introducing the new livery? What made 2013 any different?
I'm pretty sure that AA has had only that single Chapter 11 filing.
PapaLimaSierra wrote:Surprised that no one has mentioned Philippine Airlines. The basic livery remained untouched since 1986. Font was enlarged only on the 777-300ER in 2009, and the addition of the belly logo and the sunriser on the inner winglets on the A350 back in 2018, with the sunriser on the inner winglets on newly painted A321ceos and A321Nx aircraft.
robleroy121721 wrote:mga707 wrote:GatorClark wrote:
Not saying I disagree with you, but how many times did they go in and out of Chapter 11 prior to introducing the new livery? What made 2013 any different?
I'm pretty sure that AA has had only that single Chapter 11 filing.
I second that. I can't really recall American filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, even before 9/11. This link in the AA newsroom from 2013 goes into a bit more detail as to what the 2013 livery represented (and represents?).
https://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2 ... fault.aspx
"Our new logo and livery are designed to reflect the passion for progress and the soaring spirit, which is uniquely American..."
beachview wrote:I do consider Singapore's livery to be the same.OK so whose the winner? Singapore? Or was that debunked?
Diverskii wrote:NameOmitted wrote:Her sister-ship (in the background) has been repainted, so I don't know how long it will last.
The aircraft in the background is N777YA of Bush Air. Do you mean YA has been repainted? I've been trying to track it down but last I saw it was de-registered and inactive.
JannEejit wrote:330lover wrote:DY789 wrote:I'd have thought Air China. Even brand new planes look 15+ yrs old!
Air China's livery is indeed 'classic', but in my opinion, it is one of the best examples that cheatlines (for some: 'oldfashioned' liveries) can be timeless.
However not the best looking livery in the skies, but never get bored of it either. It is simple, recognizable, I actually like it.
Yeah, that old state airline variation on 1970's Aeroflot still persists, and gives all of their fleet an extremely outdated look.
FlyThiz wrote:I was in Charlotte a week ago and was surprised to see an American Airlines 738 in the old bare metal livery along side a 738 Astro-jet. I wish I had taken a picture.