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hma350
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A320Neo front windows vers A321Neo

Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:37 am

Hi all,

I have a quick question about the black shade around the windows of the A321Neos.
Is this something unique, an option or just a design to differentiate between the NEO and CEO version?
I also noticed that most A320Neos do not have them.

If someone could shed some light on this for me please.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: A320Neo front windows vers A321Neo

Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:35 am

Ah, the raccoon face? Lots of Neos have them, but not all. Easyjet, for example, didn't bother getting them.
 
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Re: A320Neo front windows vers A321Neo

Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:57 am

flyingturtle wrote:
Ah, the raccoon face? Lots of Neos have them, but not all. Easyjet, for example, didn't bother getting them.


Yes :smile: but I was checking if it serves a purpose or just a design.
 
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Re: A320Neo front windows vers A321Neo

Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:44 am

hma350 wrote:
flyingturtle wrote:
Ah, the raccoon face? Lots of Neos have them, but not all. Easyjet, for example, didn't bother getting them.


Yes :smile: but I was checking if it serves a purpose or just a design.


It seems as just a design to align the visual to the A350 which was the first to show such layout.

Note that, whilst Easyjet did not bother getting them, Air Canada decided that all his planes (even the Boeing ones...) should have it...
 
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Re: A320Neo front windows vers A321Neo

Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:05 am

And Lufthansa changed their minds and had them added to their latest NEOs.
They now have three versions, old scheme, new scheme and new scheme with raccoon mask.
 
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Re: A320Neo front windows vers A321Neo

Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:35 am

Jomar777 wrote:
Air Canada decided that all his planes (even the Boeing ones...) should have it...


Wasn’t that through a livery change, not thru airbus delivery’s.??
 
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Re: A320Neo front windows vers A321Neo

Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:15 am

The raccoon mask seems to be just a cosmetic design feature that airlines use depending on there own preferences.
 
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Re: A320Neo front windows vers A321Neo

Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:50 am

TUGMASTER wrote:
Jomar777 wrote:
Air Canada decided that all his planes (even the Boeing ones...) should have it...


Wasn’t that through a livery change, not thru airbus delivery’s.??

Yes. The mask isn’t even the same design as Airbus’s. AC doesn’t and didn’t have any new Airbus’s on order that use the mask anyways.

palA35X wrote:
The raccoon mask seems to be just a cosmetic design feature that airlines use depending on there own preferences.

It is standard on the A350 and A330neo, optional on the A320neo family.
 
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Re: A320Neo front windows vers A321Neo

Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:52 pm

Jomar777 wrote:
hma350 wrote:
flyingturtle wrote:
Ah, the raccoon face? Lots of Neos have them, but not all. Easyjet, for example, didn't bother getting them.


Yes :smile: but I was checking if it serves a purpose or just a design.


It seems as just a design to align the visual to the A350 which was the first to show such layout.

Note that, whilst Easyjet did not bother getting them, Air Canada decided that all his planes (even the Boeing ones...) should have it...



I think the version of these Lone Ranger masks that Air Canada is using is absolutely hideous.
 
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Re: A320Neo front windows vers A321Neo

Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:26 pm

Some airlines even put a mask on non-neo aircraft. Newly founded Eurowings Discover has them on their A330-200s and -300s. Probably a marketing gimmick so uninformed passengers could think this is a newer airplane, while in fact all except one aircraft of their current and planned widebody fleet are between 10 and 17 years old:



Edit: Apparently, they will put the mask on A320ceo, too: https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/10303599
 
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Re: A320Neo front windows vers A321Neo

Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:05 pm

F27500 wrote:
Jomar777 wrote:
hma350 wrote:

Yes :smile: but I was checking if it serves a purpose or just a design.


It seems as just a design to align the visual to the A350 which was the first to show such layout.

Note that, whilst Easyjet did not bother getting them, Air Canada decided that all his planes (even the Boeing ones...) should have it...



I think the version of these Lone Ranger masks that Air Canada is using is absolutely hideous.

There was a discussion a while ago, and it transpired that the Air Canada "mask" is unrelated to Airbus' racoon mask; it's an homage to Canadian Native American culture. In my opinion, the timing was a little too "coincidental" indeed looks hideous.
 
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Re: A320Neo front windows vers A321Neo

Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:05 pm

It's not just aesthetics, the "sunglasses" design serves a purpose (maintenance & temperature harmonization).

https://community.infiniteflight.com/t/ ... try/385805
 
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Re: A320Neo front windows vers A321Neo

Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:13 pm

nautilusgr wrote:
It's not just aesthetics, the "sunglasses" design serves a purpose (maintenance & temperature harmonization).

https://community.infiniteflight.com/t/ ... try/385805

That’s Airbus’s official PR line. Does not necessarily mean it is true…
 
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Re: A320Neo front windows vers A321Neo

Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:14 pm

nautilusgr wrote:
It's not just aesthetics, the "sunglasses" design serves a purpose (maintenance & temperature harmonization).

https://community.infiniteflight.com/t/ ... try/385805


This is valid for the A350 only. On the A320 and A330 it is purely cosmetic.
 
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Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:10 pm

 
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Re: A320Neo front windows vers A321Neo

Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:55 pm

conaly wrote:
nautilusgr wrote:
It's not just aesthetics, the "sunglasses" design serves a purpose (maintenance & temperature harmonization).

https://community.infiniteflight.com/t/ ... try/385805


This is valid for the A350 only. On the A320 and A330 it is purely cosmetic.


Any sources you can share for that.
 
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Re: A320Neo front windows vers A321Neo

Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:13 pm

Of course the origin of all this is the overly ambitious initial cockpit windows design for the A350 WXB. Similar to the shark fin on the 787 (but there is no way to fake that one).

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