I see these debates and cannot help but think most have employers less strict on vaccines than mine. The airlines seem to be going down to the wire, except for UA. My employer has set a harsh deadline of first dose in this month (October). No exceptions for J&J either. Moderna must be by the 27th too.
However, on site vaccination, I think #5 (if #6, yawn), is this Thursday. Are airlines doing on site clinics?
The question is, where are the airlines towards reaching that goal? We've discussed a few that haven't yet started the clock. Airlines must start by next week. In particular, the pilot no fly for 48 hours post vaccination will be... interesting.https://www.faa.gov/coronavirus/guidanc ... ccine_faq/
With the needed pilot scheduling, I'm amazed at the delays.
I think it’s at least partially a function of the size and complexity of airlines. My employer is now about a month into our mandate, but we have 200ish employees at three sites who mostly work 9-5 Monday to Friday (and, unfortunately, I live in a relatively less vaccinated part of the world so we’ve had good vaccine availability for months). That’s a lot different from airlines that have tens of thousands of employees who collectively work nonstop in a hundred cities.
And the need to give folks (not just pilots) time off post-vaccine just makes it harder. Side effects that are minor in the grand scheme but significant enough that safety-sensitive work probably isn’t a good idea happen with reasonably high frequency.
Airlines have a very hard time pulling this off. Multiple bases for crew. I will note, my employer almost has 100k employees and also multiple sites. Our mandate came out last week. My site, not much contention, its like those that don't want to be vaccinated just accept it will happen. Another site has had protests that I've been told made TV news (I stopped watching TV). I'm sure the same is happening in airlines. e.g., AA at some bases probably has an easier time getting resigned take up versus another base.
The airlines need to give people rest (not just pilots, but there is a requirement for pilots I posted a link on earlier) will be an extreme hassle for companies trying to have the perfect process with procrastinating employees. But is isn't as if vaccines are new. Two weeks after I qualified to be vaccinated, I recall they opened up vaccines to all adults and today is the six month anniversary of my 2nd jab. When I took my child in for vaccination, 1st day of 12+ year olds, the site wasn't even a third occupied. So it isn't as if there weren't opportunities for everyone and I am in a high demand area (the sites stayed busy at least six weeks later than the low vaccine demand areas).
The deadlines for all government contractors are well known. October 28th (for my employer the 27th, I've been mixing up the Federal date and my employer's date, mea culpa) is the last day for 1st dose of Moderna (I really wouldn't push it until then). You must have vaccine in the blood for two weeks prior to December 8th. This will help make air travel a little bit safer and also tremendously reduce airline health care costs. November 3rd for 1st dose Pfizer (my employer is withing October) and 2nd doses by November 24th or J&J (my employer, J&J must be in October).
I expect, like with UA, they had "some 2,000" exemptions requested and 320 who just refused our of https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/30/uniteds ... fired.html
There is plenty of time. For those sitting on the sidelines, I would request they ask their doctor's advice. I've met people who weren't vaccinated by doctor's advice. But for every one of them, I've met 20 who thought they shouldn't and their doctor ordered them to get vaccinated that very day, if not right there and then in the doctor's office. It has been so easy to get vaccinated for so long, the excuses on the rush... Yea...