GW54 wrote:OJI last flew 6 Oct and appears to be in AKL. OJM is still current and has been flying today (15 Oct) on the CHC-WLG-CHC route.
The total NZ Airbus fleet will drop down to 30 when OJM goes. At one point it was as high as 35 pre covid.
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GW54 wrote:OJI last flew 6 Oct and appears to be in AKL. OJM is still current and has been flying today (15 Oct) on the CHC-WLG-CHC route.
zkncj wrote:zkojq wrote:I wonder how long until the announcement of the end of MIQ for Auckland? I doubt it will still be in place by December. I guess there may be the need to keep something in place incase vaccine-resistant variants pop up.
Apparently the roadmap for Auckland using the new Traffic Light framework is meant to by getting made public by the the end of next week, heres hoping International Travel will be back back for-fully VAX'd Aucklanders sooner than later.
I could see AKL-SYD resuming for two-way passenger flights by the end of the year, not sure about any other Tasman Routes.
When was the next Tasman Bubble review meant to be?
NZ6 wrote:The bubble was next reviewed sometime in November. I can't find the date, but wasn't it 8 weeks from around 23rd July. Then a further 8 weeks which takes us to around 12th November. I don't expect much but they're going to get plenty of heat once we're up around 90% and 3 weeks from this time that'll hit 90% double dose and with Xmas looming...
it'll be interesting to see what happens with AKL too. With an acceptance that Delta's here to stay in AKL. Do we enter summer and Xmas with AKL borders in place or do we allow people to fly around and see family. On the other side, if it's in AKL and we're 90% double dosed why can't Kiwis come home without MIQ? or even a 3 day MIQ? - how do these two overlay each other?
Kiwings wrote:Now, wouldn't that be great, Aucklanders able to travel overseas and self isolate at home on their return and the rest of the country still sitting in a bubble believing in an elimination/eradication !!!
MIQ will be gone by end of JAN for AKL'ets if not earlier and I think some people will be surprised/shocked how quickly international traffic will start building.
Note some european airlines have now dropped masking requirements now.
https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/2021 ... ask-rules/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-australia-approves-quarantine-free-travel-for-the-south-island/EI3FBJPGOQX44DLBM6KJZH4OQU/
zkncj wrote:From Tuesday Oneway Quarantine free travel resumes from the South Island to Australia.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-australia-approves-quarantine-free-travel-for-the-south-island/EI3FBJPGOQX44DLBM6KJZH4OQU/
anstar wrote:It will be interesting to see if AKL is opened upt o international visitors without quarantine. If Covid is in the community & the community is vaccinated how much risk does a person arriving who is also fully vaccinated and tested negative pose ?
NZ6 wrote:anstar wrote:It will be interesting to see if AKL is opened upt o international visitors without quarantine. If Covid is in the community & the community is vaccinated how much risk does a person arriving who is also fully vaccinated and tested negative pose ?
I've heard this argument a lot over the weekend. The quote being "We're getting more cases in the community in a day than what we get via the border in a week!" which is true and very hard to argue with.
So if we allow fully vaccinated passengers with a negative test prior to departure how much of a risk is there?
If your a NZ citizen without a vaccine then MIQ it is.
I guess it goes back to yesterdays topic on the Auckland boundary/border. While that's in place such a move is off the cards.
NZ516 wrote:It's going to be good to see Qantas back here in CHC again. Although only just for one way travel to Australia at the moment .
https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/30043 ... -discussed
Toenga wrote:NZ6 wrote:anstar wrote:It will be interesting to see if AKL is opened upt o international visitors without quarantine. If Covid is in the community & the community is vaccinated how much risk does a person arriving who is also fully vaccinated and tested negative pose ?
I've heard this argument a lot over the weekend. The quote being "We're getting more cases in the community in a day than what we get via the border in a week!" which is true and very hard to argue with.
So if we allow fully vaccinated passengers with a negative test prior to departure how much of a risk is there?
If your a NZ citizen without a vaccine then MIQ it is.
I guess it goes back to yesterdays topic on the Auckland boundary/border. While that's in place such a move is off the cards.
With an R of 1.3 to 1.4 an extra 15% of cases per week is not insignificant. And if we say bought 5x as many people over our border to satisfy surge demand just for kiwis returning home daily case numbers could conceivably near double.
And whilst their would undoubtably be huge benifits to those currently trying to get home, this has to be balanced against the degradation of our hospital healthcare system that the 5plus million already here would have to endure.
There is a compelling case for just waiting just a few more weeks to see how things across the Tasman pan out rather then opening up in parallel with Australia.
NZ516 wrote:Yes there is not much detail on what is happening other than Aussies in the South Island are allowed to return home from Tuesday which is tomorrow.
zkncj wrote:With the current Covid issues in New Zealand, and no end in the short-term has NZ started to park up some of the airbus fleet into longer term storage?
LamboAston wrote:zkncj wrote:With the current Covid issues in New Zealand, and no end in the short-term has NZ started to park up some of the airbus fleet into longer term storage?
The last international A320CEO are now retired I believe. Rest of the fleet is staying.
Toenga wrote:NZ6 wrote:anstar wrote:It will be interesting to see if AKL is opened upt o international visitors without quarantine. If Covid is in the community & the community is vaccinated how much risk does a person arriving who is also fully vaccinated and tested negative pose ?
I've heard this argument a lot over the weekend. The quote being "We're getting more cases in the community in a day than what we get via the border in a week!" which is true and very hard to argue with.
So if we allow fully vaccinated passengers with a negative test prior to departure how much of a risk is there?
If your a NZ citizen without a vaccine then MIQ it is.
I guess it goes back to yesterdays topic on the Auckland boundary/border. While that's in place such a move is off the cards.
With an R of 1.3 to 1.4 an extra 15% of cases per week is not insignificant. And if we say bought 5x as many people over our border to satisfy surge demand just for kiwis returning home daily case numbers could conceivably near double.
And whilst their would undoubtably be huge benifits to those currently trying to get home, this has to be balanced against the degradation of our hospital healthcare system that the 5plus million already here would have to endure.
There is a compelling case for just waiting just a few more weeks to see how things across the Tasman pan out rather then opening up in parallel with Australia.
NZ6 wrote:Toenga wrote:NZ6 wrote:
I've heard this argument a lot over the weekend. The quote being "We're getting more cases in the community in a day than what we get via the border in a week!" which is true and very hard to argue with.
So if we allow fully vaccinated passengers with a negative test prior to departure how much of a risk is there?
If your a NZ citizen without a vaccine then MIQ it is.
I guess it goes back to yesterdays topic on the Auckland boundary/border. While that's in place such a move is off the cards.
With an R of 1.3 to 1.4 an extra 15% of cases per week is not insignificant. And if we say bought 5x as many people over our border to satisfy surge demand just for kiwis returning home daily case numbers could conceivably near double.
And whilst their would undoubtably be huge benifits to those currently trying to get home, this has to be balanced against the degradation of our hospital healthcare system that the 5plus million already here would have to endure.
There is a compelling case for just waiting just a few more weeks to see how things across the Tasman pan out rather then opening up in parallel with Australia.
Just to revisit this topic. Sounds like there's some movement very shortly and the hold up is the AKL boundary issue.
Recorded this morning. Fast forward to around the 4min 10second mark.
Fingers crossed we will see vaccinated people returning with shorter MIQ or MIQ at home. The irony is, we have people in MIQ without COVID while we have people with COVID isolating at home.
I'm feeling confident we'll see more aviation services, especially on the Tasman this side of Xmas.
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/211-the- ... ast_widget
NZ516 wrote:On the same topic of local airports. Ashburton district council is trying to manage it's expansion of operations at their airport especially with new housing going in near by. This could be a potential future cause of conflict.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics ... lan-debate
Kiwings wrote:NZ516 wrote:On the same topic of local airports. Ashburton district council is trying to manage it's expansion of operations at their airport especially with new housing going in near by. This could be a potential future cause of conflict.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics ... lan-debate
This reminds me of when Newmans Air took a Dash7 into Ashburton and suggested that they were looking into a scheduled service into Ashburton.
It obviously never eventuated.
NZ516 wrote:New update Air NZ is saying one way South Island to Australia bubble flights are not viable. Not surprising really.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/30043609 ... not-viable
zkncj wrote:Based on todays new Covid management framework in New Zealand, domestic travel to/from AKL is likely to be majorly impacted for the couples of months while the rest of the country catches up to 90% double jabbed.
The financial impact of this must be huge for NZ? with the possibility of missing out of the summer domestic holiday market if the reset of the country isn't at 90% by then.
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/covid-19-protection/
zkncj wrote:Based on todays new Covid management framework in New Zealand, domestic travel to/from AKL is likely to be majorly impacted for the couples of months while the rest of the country catches up to 90% double jabbed.
The financial impact of this must be huge for NZ? with the possibility of missing out of the summer domestic holiday market if the reset of the country isn't at 90% by then.
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/covid-19-protection/
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NZ516 wrote:I see that Qantas is going to start up Sydney to Delhi 3 weekly flights with their Airbus 330. Over in Australia they are very far ahead of NZ with an opening up plan well in place. There is a market opening up for them due to Indians can no longer transit via intermediate spots en route to Australia eg SIN, KUL and BKK etc. Perhaps when we decide to open up to the world one day that NZ might consider non stop flights to India? If their is sufficient demand and one stop options are not available if the same rule applies to NZ based Indians.
ZK-NBT wrote:NZ516 wrote:I see that Qantas is going to start up Sydney to Delhi 3 weekly flights with their Airbus 330. Over in Australia they are very far ahead of NZ with an opening up plan well in place. There is a market opening up for them due to Indians can no longer transit via intermediate spots en route to Australia eg SIN, KUL and BKK etc. Perhaps when we decide to open up to the world one day that NZ might consider non stop flights to India? If their is sufficient demand and one stop options are not available if the same rule applies to NZ based Indians.
I’m not sure we know how far behind we are in terms of opening up, NZ is always behind in these sort of things, GFC etc. transits will open up again at some stage, will QF extend DEL beyond March. India is a difficult place to operate and easier to hub in normal times through SIN/KUL/HKG and feed several main cities from there rather than from AKL a ULH 15hr typically price sensitive market with low yields. In the short term you never know, longer term who knows but I wouldn’t bet on non stop AKL-India flights.
GW54 wrote:I recall seeing a photo of Air NZ Q300 ZK-NEG sitting in Nelson looking rather forlorn. Looked as if it had been stripped for parts. Does anybody know it's current status? With Covid has it infact been scrapped? It shows on Flt radar 24 but doesn't look to have been active at all
Zkpilot wrote:ZK-NBT wrote:NZ516 wrote:I see that Qantas is going to start up Sydney to Delhi 3 weekly flights with their Airbus 330. Over in Australia they are very far ahead of NZ with an opening up plan well in place. There is a market opening up for them due to Indians can no longer transit via intermediate spots en route to Australia eg SIN, KUL and BKK etc. Perhaps when we decide to open up to the world one day that NZ might consider non stop flights to India? If their is sufficient demand and one stop options are not available if the same rule applies to NZ based Indians.
I’m not sure we know how far behind we are in terms of opening up, NZ is always behind in these sort of things, GFC etc. transits will open up again at some stage, will QF extend DEL beyond March. India is a difficult place to operate and easier to hub in normal times through SIN/KUL/HKG and feed several main cities from there rather than from AKL a ULH 15hr typically price sensitive market with low yields. In the short term you never know, longer term who knows but I wouldn’t bet on non stop AKL-India flights.
Very expensive for non-Asian airlines to operate too since typically everything that isn’t bolted down in the cabin mysteriously disappears... out of thousands of flights I’ve done the only ones to run out of toilet paper were India ones. Missing lifejackets etc. Then they are a catering nightmare with about 70% being special meals (versus around 10% to most other places).
LamboAston wrote:GW54 wrote:I recall seeing a photo of Air NZ Q300 ZK-NEG sitting in Nelson looking rather forlorn. Looked as if it had been stripped for parts. Does anybody know it's current status? With Covid has it infact been scrapped? It shows on Flt radar 24 but doesn't look to have been active at all
Will be returned to service within the next few months.
NZ516 wrote:Zkpilot wrote:ZK-NBT wrote:
I’m not sure we know how far behind we are in terms of opening up, NZ is always behind in these sort of things, GFC etc. transits will open up again at some stage, will QF extend DEL beyond March. India is a difficult place to operate and easier to hub in normal times through SIN/KUL/HKG and feed several main cities from there rather than from AKL a ULH 15hr typically price sensitive market with low yields. In the short term you never know, longer term who knows but I wouldn’t bet on non stop AKL-India flights.
Very expensive for non-Asian airlines to operate too since typically everything that isn’t bolted down in the cabin mysteriously disappears... out of thousands of flights I’ve done the only ones to run out of toilet paper were India ones. Missing lifejackets etc. Then they are a catering nightmare with about 70% being special meals (versus around 10% to most other places).
Not an easy route to run then. For Australia to India it's a much bigger market for Qantas to tap into which makes it far easier for them to get established than for Air NZ.
NZ516 wrote:The end of Covid is coming according to Foran.
Air NZ is expecting the Government will allow International travel without the need for MIQ by March or April 2022. Plans to start the New York route for October 22 are well underway as well.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indust ... nal-travel