All I can say is good luck to Bonza and their Private Equity owners if they're go the Allegiant route of serving thin largely low yielding tourist routes. It'll be difficult (but not impossible) for Bonza to find their niche as opposed to positioning themselves as another Jetstar, Virgin or REX.

SCFlyer wrote:

All I can say is good luck to Bonza and their Private Equity owners if they're go the Allegiant route of serving thin largely low yielding tourist routes. It'll be difficult (but not impossible) for Bonza to find their niche as opposed to positioning themselves as another Jetstar, Virgin or REX.

I am very intrigued at which markets they will choose. Outside the capital cities, there are few places over 50,000 population that aren't holiday destinations already or are unserved.

Wollongong and the south coast of NSW (perhaps even using NOA), and then Bendigo/Ballarat and Mildura, linking them irregularly with Qld. Bendigo might pay to get them there.

Jet2 has been mentioned as one of the models bonza is looking to - low cost package charter.

More information on Bonza

Will launch Q2 2022
2-3 737MAX to start with
Will be based in either northern NSW or SE QLD
Will focus on leisure routes either not flown by rivals or are currently underserved

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/australi ... 52017.html

qf789 wrote:

More information on Bonza

Will launch Q2 2022
2-3 737MAX to start with
Will be based in either northern NSW or SE QLD
Will focus on leisure routes either not flown by rivals or are currently underserved

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/australi ... 52017.html

Interesting with P2P routes spread around the regions seems like it will be a challenge to rotate the fleet and maximise utilisation.

Prediction will survive a couple of years then be bought by VA for Tiger 2.0. Or merge with ZL and they both go busy together. Cynical and hopefully I’m proven wrong.

Kent350787 wrote:

SCFlyer wrote:

All I can say is good luck to Bonza and their Private Equity owners if they're go the Allegiant route of serving thin largely low yielding tourist routes. It'll be difficult (but not impossible) for Bonza to find their niche as opposed to positioning themselves as another Jetstar, Virgin or REX.

I am very intrigued at which markets they will choose. Outside the capital cities, there are few places over 50,000 population that aren't holiday destinations already or are unserved.

Wollongong and the south coast of NSW (perhaps even using NOA), and then Bendigo/Ballarat and Mildura, linking them irregularly with Qld. Bendigo might pay to get them there.

Jet2 has been mentioned as one of the models bonza is looking to - low cost package charter.

It will be about which airports can actually handle a 737 even if they see some opportunity to tap into demand for flights.

Add in that they will likely need to focus on having some sort of operating base structure to optimise their operations, and it becomes very hard to see just how it will work.

I would be interested to see if they will look at Avalon, as there are opportunities that JQ do not service from there. It still has strong competition though from MEL services, so that will be hard to find a competitive strength.

Certainly a significant challenge.

smi0006 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

More information on Bonza

Will launch Q2 2022
2-3 737MAX to start with
Will be based in either northern NSW or SE QLD
Will focus on leisure routes either not flown by rivals or are currently underserved

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/australi ... 52017.html

Interesting with P2P routes spread around the regions seems like it will be a challenge to rotate the fleet and maximise utilisation.

Prediction will survive a couple of years then be bought by VA for Tiger 2.0. Or merge with ZL and they both go busy together. Cynical and hopefully I’m proven wrong.

That's what I thought. It will make the integration of the Max into the fleet of VA or QF easier when they take over Bonza.

IndianicWorld wrote:

Another airline? Good luck with that.

Their proposed model of flying routes that are not currently serviced sounds like a challenge.

I’m struggle to identify routes that even remotely stand out as options that meet their stated aim. A few potential but equally challenging routes I can think of would be:

Coffs Harbour-Adelaide
Canberra-Hamilton Island
Newcastle-Perth
Toowoomba-Adelaide

Even at low frequency it seems to be hard work to identify routes that would be able to support 737 sized aircraft. The reality is that they will likely struggle to find any Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane routes that aren’t already taken by existing carriers.

With QF, JQ, VA and ZL in the market already, it may seem like there are numerous missing opportunities, but this isn’t Europe or the US.

They've mentioned regional destinations, so they could also fly to places like TMW, WGA, MQL, OAG, LRE, EMD and pretty much any airport in WA that isn't PER. One route that isn't currently flown by any carrier is BNE-WGA. If they wanted a leisure route, OOL-WGA could be a possibility.

qf789 wrote:

More information on Bonza

Will launch Q2 2022
2-3 737MAX to start with
Will be based in either northern NSW or SE QLD
Will focus on leisure routes either not flown by rivals or are currently underserved

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/australi ... 52017.html

Coffs Harbour, Ballina or the Gold Coast seem the most likely based on that description.

Interesting times.

IndianicWorld wrote:

qf789 wrote:

More information on Bonza

Will launch Q2 2022
2-3 737MAX to start with
Will be based in either northern NSW or SE QLD
Will focus on leisure routes either not flown by rivals or are currently underserved

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/australi ... 52017.html

Coffs Harbour, Ballina or the Gold Coast seem the most likely based on that description.

Interesting times.

Lots of ports that might like to attract some leisure carriers on a 2-3 times a week basis such as PPP, MKY, TSV, ROK, BME, MCY etc in addition to the obvious candidates like OOL. You'd expect that JQ would shadow any moves fairly closely given it won't want to cede much, if any, of the low cost market it currently dominates.

qf789 wrote:

More information on Bonza

Will launch Q2 2022
2-3 737MAX to start with
Will be based in either northern NSW or SE QLD
Will focus on leisure routes either not flown by rivals or are currently underserved

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/australi ... 52017.html

N NSW or SEQ = OOL. Captures southern Brisbane (maybe Ipswich), Gold Coast and northern NSW markets.

tullamarine wrote:

RyanairGuru wrote:

IndianicWorld wrote:

Another airline? Good luck with that.

Their proposed model of flying routes that are not currently serviced sounds like a challenge.

I’m struggle to identify routes that even remotely stand out as options that meet their stated aim. A few potential but equally challenging routes I can think of would be:

Coffs Harbour-Adelaide
Canberra-Hamilton Island
Newcastle-Perth
Toowoomba-Adelaide

Even at low frequency it seems to be hard work to identify routes that would be able to support 737 sized aircraft. The reality is that they will likely struggle to find any Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane routes that aren’t already taken by existing carriers.

With QF, JQ, VA and ZL in the market already, it may seem like there are numerous missing opportunities, but this isn’t Europe or the US.

I agree. The Australian market is fundamentally different to Europe, and the ‘Ryanair model’ is highly unlikely to work here. Our population density and geographic spread pretty much guarantees it.

The biggest issue here is the number of airports. In Europe, there are a number of jet-capable secondary airports around major cities that are keen to attract carriers. This is not really the case in Australia with Avalon being the obvious exception. WTB is too far away to be considered an alternative for BNE and SYD doesn't really have an alternative except NTL which, once again, is a long way away.

I am sort of attracted to Bonza's stated desire to solely pursue leisure routes; I think ZL's desire to enter Triangle markets is a potentially fatal error. If there is a market segment anywhere, it is ULCC though they will need to be prepared to accept the blowback from shows like The Project and ACA who will seek out pax who complain about lack of service even though that is exactly how ULCCs operate and consumers need to accept that if you get hit by a cancellation or miss your flight, you are on your own; that is why the fares are cheap.

The MAX8 is a comparatively big plane to fill on niche routes but smaller aircraft have higher seat costs so maybe it is a sweet spot.

Airports are one thing, people are altogether different. Ryanair can fly from Stansted to a city in regional Poland that you or I couldn’t point to on a map, but the potential catchment within (say) a couple of hours drive could be several million people. Land a plane in Dubbo, what catchment do you have? If you’re lucky you can stretch as far as Wagga, but even then you’re struggling to crack 100,000 people.

There actually might be a market for someone linking OOL and/or BNK to regional centres, but an ATR-72 would probably be more appropriate than a 737-8.

[quote="Kent350787"][/quote]

Places like Albury, & Mt Gambier to service the Queensland holiday routes, etc would be a good fit for them. Decent catchment areas for both airports.

Not sure about Bendigo, given that MEL is a fairly easy 90 minute drive down the Calder, so fares would have to be priced keenly to get the locals to change.

Out of left field, Traralgon might do well, though not sure if the airport there is 737-capable. But again, a decent catchment area which extends to outer Melbourne suburbs such as Berwick & Pakenham.

As others have said, they seem very much like the original Tigerair.

melpax wrote:

Kent350787 wrote:

Places like Albury, & Mt Gambier to service the Queensland holiday routes, etc would be a good fit for them. Decent catchment areas for both airports.

Not sure about Bendigo, given that MEL is a fairly easy 90 minute drive down the Calder, so fares would have to be priced keenly to get the locals to change.

Out of left field, Traralgon might do well, though not sure if the airport there is 737-capable. But again, a decent catchment area which extends to outer Melbourne suburbs such as Berwick & Pakenham.

As others have said, they seem very much like the original Tigerair.

I mentioned Bendigo mostly on the back of the media a while back around upgrading - but it looks as though it wasn't funded. 737 capable airports without current service but with councils willing to pay/waive fees is what they'll be looking for.

NOA or WOL would make sense to holiday destinations, and I agree with your suggestions. It's always surprised me that a charter style service has never been tried there.

IndianicWorld wrote:

Coffs Harbour, Ballina or the Gold Coast seem the most likely based on that description.
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CEOs LinkedIn profile lists him as Coffs Harbour, so that's my early favourite

Virgin adding more routes

OOL-LST from 7 Dec 21
OOL-CNS from 9 Dec 21
OOL-HBA from 13 Dec 21

Also resuming ADL-MCY from 14 Dec 21

https://twitter.com/avweekscho/status/1 ... 80547?s=21

Thai Airways planning to increase SYD from 4 to 7 weekly from 7 Dec 21 with 3 of these weekly services operating BKK-HKT-SYD

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 07554?s=21

LATAM planning to resume SCL-AKL—SYD, 3 weekly from 1 Mar 22 increasing to 6 weekly from 29 Mar 22

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 81989?s=21

qf789 wrote:

Thai Airways planning to increase SYD from 4 to 7 weekly from 7 Dec 21 with 3 of these weekly services operating BKK-HKT-SYD

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 07554?s=21

Think TG just made a very smart move, even if it's only for the interim.

Be curious to see if they do something similar for MEL.

qf789 wrote:

Virgin adding more routes

OOL-LST from 7 Dec 21
OOL-CNS from 9 Dec 21
OOL-HBA from 13 Dec 21

Also resuming ADL-MCY from 14 Dec 21

https://twitter.com/avweekscho/status/1 ... 80547?s=21

Could be preparing for the arrival of 'Bonza' on the thin leisure routes maybe? (e.g getting in early) Considering reports their HQ was either in N.NSW or OOL.

SCFlyer wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Virgin adding more routes

OOL-LST from 7 Dec 21
OOL-CNS from 9 Dec 21
OOL-HBA from 13 Dec 21

Also resuming ADL-MCY from 14 Dec 21

https://twitter.com/avweekscho/status/1 ... 80547?s=21

Could be preparing for the arrival of 'Bonza' on the thin leisure routes maybe? (e.g getting in early) Considering reports their HQ was either in N.NSW or OOL.

What a load of nonsense, both the flights to Tasmania are seasonal and secondly Virgin has been announcing other seasonal flights to Tasmania over the past couple of months. Finally airlines typically do not add new routes after a few hours of a new airline being announced

https://newsroom.virginaustralia.com/re ... t-services

qf789 wrote:

SCFlyer wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Virgin adding more routes

OOL-LST from 7 Dec 21
OOL-CNS from 9 Dec 21
OOL-HBA from 13 Dec 21

Also resuming ADL-MCY from 14 Dec 21

https://twitter.com/avweekscho/status/1 ... 80547?s=21

Could be preparing for the arrival of 'Bonza' on the thin leisure routes maybe? (e.g getting in early) Considering reports their HQ was either in N.NSW or OOL.

What a load of nonsense, both the flights to Tasmania are seasonal and secondly Virgin has been announcing other seasonal flights to Tasmania over the past couple of months. Finally airlines typically do not add new routes after a few hours of a new airline being announced

https://newsroom.virginaustralia.com/re ... t-services

Correct, Sounds like seasonal routes with direct Tassie routes being added just in case transitting via MEL or SYD remains problematic.

qf789 wrote:

SCFlyer wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Virgin adding more routes

OOL-LST from 7 Dec 21
OOL-CNS from 9 Dec 21
OOL-HBA from 13 Dec 21

Also resuming ADL-MCY from 14 Dec 21

https://twitter.com/avweekscho/status/1 ... 80547?s=21

Could be preparing for the arrival of 'Bonza' on the thin leisure routes maybe? (e.g getting in early) Considering reports their HQ was either in N.NSW or OOL.

What a load of nonsense, both the flights to Tasmania are seasonal and secondly Virgin has been announcing other seasonal flights to Tasmania over the past couple of months. Finally airlines typically do not add new routes after a few hours of a new airline being announced

https://newsroom.virginaustralia.com/re ... t-services

Exactly, and Virgin is also basically skipping over NSW and VIC in the event that QLD's borders remain closed to either or both states in the short term. Tasmania's actually been getting a lot more love from airlines lately, especially Launceston, which is really good to see. I'm all for new routes being opened up!

tullamarine wrote:

qf789 wrote:

SCFlyer wrote:

Could be preparing for the arrival of 'Bonza' on the thin leisure routes maybe? (e.g getting in early) Considering reports their HQ was either in N.NSW or OOL.

What a load of nonsense, both the flights to Tasmania are seasonal and secondly Virgin has been announcing other seasonal flights to Tasmania over the past couple of months. Finally airlines typically do not add new routes after a few hours of a new airline being announced

https://newsroom.virginaustralia.com/re ... t-services

Correct, Sounds like seasonal routes with direct Tassie routes being added just in case transitting via MEL or SYD remains problematic.

Plus OOL-CNS/HBA is competing with JQ.

Obzerva wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Thai Airways planning to increase SYD from 4 to 7 weekly from 7 Dec 21 with 3 of these weekly services operating BKK-HKT-SYD

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 07554?s=21

Think TG just made a very smart move, even if it's only for the interim.

Be curious to see if they do something similar for MEL.

Yep, especially as HKT is currently allowing approved-and-vaccinated tourists

myki wrote:

Obzerva wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Thai Airways planning to increase SYD from 4 to 7 weekly from 7 Dec 21 with 3 of these weekly services operating BKK-HKT-SYD

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 07554?s=21

Think TG just made a very smart move, even if it's only for the interim.

Be curious to see if they do something similar for MEL.

Yep, especially as HKT is currently allowing approved-and-vaccinated tourists

Not to mention pax travelling to Bangkok will be quite low for the foreseeable future.

Qantas has moved forward BNE-LAX and BNE-SFO to mid November, 787-9 operating, A332 service begins from 19 Dec 21

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 88514?s=21

SYD-DFW will initially begin at 4 weekly from 14 Feb 22 increasing to 5 weekly for NS22

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 76326?s=21

qf789 wrote:

Qantas has moved forward BNE-LAX and BNE-SFO to mid November, 787-9 operating, A332 service begins from 19 Dec 21

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 88514?s=21

SYD-DFW will initially begin at 4 weekly from 14 Feb 22 increasing to 5 weekly for NS22

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 76326?s=21

Maybe the Qld gov't is giving Qantas more info than it is sharing with the public.

qf789 wrote:

Qantas has moved forward BNE-LAX and BNE-SFO to mid November, 787-9 operating, A332 service begins from 19 Dec 21

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 88514?s=21

SYD-DFW will initially begin at 4 weekly from 14 Feb 22 increasing to 5 weekly for NS22

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 76326?s=21

That link says nothing about BNE-SFO? Says MEL-LAX at 4 weekly has been moved forward if that’s what you meant?

kriskim wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Qantas has moved forward BNE-LAX and BNE-SFO to mid November, 787-9 operating, A332 service begins from 19 Dec 21

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 88514?s=21

SYD-DFW will initially begin at 4 weekly from 14 Feb 22 increasing to 5 weekly for NS22

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 76326?s=21

That link says nothing about BNE-SFO? Says MEL-LAX at 4 weekly has been moved forward if that’s what you meant?

Qantas has accelerated service resumption for 3 weekly Brisbane – Los Angeles and 4 weekly Melbourne – Los Angeles to mid-Nov 2021, starting 16NOV21 and 17NOV21 respectively, with 787-9.

Brisbane – Los Angeles will move to 234-seater A330-200 from 19DEC21 as planned

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 88514?s=21


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EK413 wrote:

kriskim wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Qantas has moved forward BNE-LAX and BNE-SFO to mid November, 787-9 operating, A332 service begins from 19 Dec 21

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 88514?s=21

SYD-DFW will initially begin at 4 weekly from 14 Feb 22 increasing to 5 weekly for NS22

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 76326?s=21

That link says nothing about BNE-SFO? Says MEL-LAX at 4 weekly has been moved forward if that’s what you meant?

Qantas has accelerated service resumption for 3 weekly Brisbane – Los Angeles and 4 weekly Melbourne – Los Angeles to mid-Nov 2021, starting 16NOV21 and 17NOV21 respectively, with 787-9.

Brisbane – Los Angeles will move to 234-seater A330-200 from 19DEC21 as planned

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 88514?s=21

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These are not showing on the Qantas website, how long does it take for an airline's website to reflect GDS changes? Or do these GDS listings reported by theaeronetwork not always actually occur?

CraigAnderson wrote:

EK413 wrote:

kriskim wrote:

That link says nothing about BNE-SFO? Says MEL-LAX at 4 weekly has been moved forward if that’s what you meant?

Qantas has accelerated service resumption for 3 weekly Brisbane – Los Angeles and 4 weekly Melbourne – Los Angeles to mid-Nov 2021, starting 16NOV21 and 17NOV21 respectively, with 787-9.

Brisbane – Los Angeles will move to 234-seater A330-200 from 19DEC21 as planned

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 88514?s=21

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These are not showing on the Qantas website, how long does it take for an airline's website to reflect GDS changes? Or do these GDS listings reported by theaeronetwork not always actually occur?

Sometimes flights are loaded from a schedule perspective, but all the seats are blocked so none can be sold initially (until the revenue management system takes a look at it and allocates fares).
Any sold out / blocked flight won't show on the website.

Clive Palmer has dumped his Qantas shares as a protest against the airline's mandatory vaccination policy. Palmer says he expects the QAN share price to drop as international travel resumes because of its vaccination policy.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/busine ... c9bf0dcaa2

CraigAnderson wrote:

Clive Palmer has dumped his Qantas shares as a protest against the airline's mandatory vaccination policy. Palmer says he expects the QAN share price to drop as international travel resumes because of its vaccination policy.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/busine ... c9bf0dcaa2

Considering Aussies can’t leave unless they are vaccinated and most likely re entry along with foreign nationals and other destinations will require vaccinations to enter (US I also hear requires vaccination) - seems like a very small pool of people. Not to mention questionable viability of running dedicated ‘red/unvaccinated/hotel quarantine’ - airlines simply won’t operate flights for unvaccinated flights as it won’t be profitable.

CraigAnderson wrote:

Clive Palmer has dumped his Qantas shares as a protest against the airline's mandatory vaccination policy. Palmer says he expects the QAN share price to drop as international travel resumes because of its vaccination policy.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/busine ... c9bf0dcaa2

QAN has a market capitalisation of over $10Bn. Clive was not noted as a significant shareholder so it is safe to say that him selling his shares is unlikely to cause QAN or its shareholders any pain at all.

tullamarine wrote:

CraigAnderson wrote:

Clive Palmer has dumped his Qantas shares as a protest against the airline's mandatory vaccination policy. Palmer says he expects the QAN share price to drop as international travel resumes because of its vaccination policy.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/busine ... c9bf0dcaa2

QAN has a market capitalisation of over $10Bn. Clive was not noted as a significant shareholder so it is safe to say that him selling his shares is unlikely to cause QAN or its shareholders any pain at all.

With a bit of luck, hopefully this crook is selling them at a loss.

^^now now people. Lets keep everything above board. With comments like that on a public forum, you leave yourself wide open.

tullamarine wrote:

myki wrote:

Obzerva wrote:

Think TG just made a very smart move, even if it's only for the interim.

Be curious to see if they do something similar for MEL.

Yep, especially as HKT is currently allowing approved-and-vaccinated tourists

Not to mention pax travelling to Bangkok will be quite low for the foreseeable future.

Been interesting to see Thai Air Asia A330's into YSSY a couple of times a week over the last few weeks... Will always take a longer different route to what TG takes on a BKK-SYD run...

Interesting Sydney Morning Herald article on Qantas needing to train up "at least 200 pilots to ready itself for flying" as well as bringing on more cabin crew, and the high cost of this exercise.

The writer makes an interesting point: "This raises questions about whether Qantas boss Alan Joyce was too quick on the draw when he accepted redundancies of more than 230 pilots, as COVID grounded the aviation sector globally."

Of course, as they say, hindsight is always 20/20 vision!

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 58zpx.html

IndianicWorld wrote:

qf789 wrote:

More information on Bonza

Will launch Q2 2022
2-3 737MAX to start with
Will be based in either northern NSW or SE QLD
Will focus on leisure routes either not flown by rivals or are currently underserved

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/australi ... 52017.html

Coffs Harbour, Ballina or the Gold Coast seem the most likely based on that description.

Interesting times.

Yeah or possibly MCY or HVB. But I just don't see the market, fares to these places pre-covid were not expensive most of the year indicating demand is fairly soft. $39 sales were common. One extra 737 a day to BNK would be a huge increase in capacity. And if they could magically fill an extra flight a day from say AVV to BNK is there enough accomodation and infrastructure in place to cope with it?

OOL also appears to be well served, eg VA tried TSV-OOL and couldn't make it work and that was with an E190. Air North was flying DRW-ISA-OOL, with an E170 but they have stopped. May resume when the Borders open up more but wouldn't bet on it. They could try WGA-OOL once a week and might get a decent load but the RPM would be low and hardly worth setting up a base in WGA for, that alone purchasing a 737 to operate that kind of route.

I'm surprised they see "great potential" in the Australian Market, I've seen nothing but money being lost hand over fist by everyone who's had a crack at it other than Qantas. And even they lose money approx every other year. The Mining Charters would be profitable but it would be tricky to get a start in that market.

CraigAnderson wrote:

Interesting Sydney Morning Herald article on Qantas needing to train up "at least 200 pilots to ready itself for flying" as well as bringing on more cabin crew, and the high cost of this exercise.

The writer makes an interesting point: "This raises questions about whether Qantas boss Alan Joyce was too quick on the draw when he accepted redundancies of more than 230 pilots, as COVID grounded the aviation sector globally."

Of course, as they say, hindsight is always 20/20 vision!

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 58zpx.html

Nothing but a media beatup of a non-issue. They'll train the pilots. And the pilots they hire to replace the 200 redundancies will be on far cheaper contracts

Pentaprism wrote:

IndianicWorld wrote:

qf789 wrote:

More information on Bonza

Will launch Q2 2022
2-3 737MAX to start with
Will be based in either northern NSW or SE QLD
Will focus on leisure routes either not flown by rivals or are currently underserved

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/australi ... 52017.html

Coffs Harbour, Ballina or the Gold Coast seem the most likely based on that description.

Interesting times.

Yeah or possibly MCY or HVB. But I just don't see the market, fares to these places pre-covid were not expensive most of the year indicating demand is fairly soft. $39 sales were common. One extra 737 a day to BNK would be a huge increase in capacity. And if they could magically fill an extra flight a day from say AVV to BNK is there enough accomodation and infrastructure in place to cope with it?

OOL also appears to be well served, eg VA tried TSV-OOL and couldn't make it work and that was with an E190. Air North was flying DRW-ISA-OOL, with an E170 but they have stopped. May resume when the Borders open up more but wouldn't bet on it. They could try WGA-OOL once a week and might get a decent load but the RPM would be low and hardly worth setting up a base in WGA for, that alone purchasing a 737 to operate that kind of route.

I'm surprised they see "great potential" in the Australian Market, I've seen nothing but money being lost hand over fist by everyone who's had a crack at it other than Qantas. And even they lose money approx every other year. The Mining Charters would be profitable but it would be tricky to get a start in that market.

When I heard the announcement my reaction “lucky if they survive 6 months”…

Wouldn’t surprise me if “Bonza” is focused on the leasing or tourism sector of the business versus the aviation sector and attempting to run a profitable airline…


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Qantas to add DRW-TSV from 31 Jan 22 and DRW-CNS from 29 Mar 22, both services are 3 weekly E90’s

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ueensland/

Wow so many new domestic routes starting exciting for the industry in Australia!

qf789 wrote:

Qantas to add DRW-TSV from 31 Jan 22 and DRW-CNS from 29 Mar 22, both services are 3 weekly E90’s

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ueensland/

Really smart if these can also feed into the DRW-LHR legs of QF1/2 and QF9/10 as cross-border travel restricted are loosened.

qf789 wrote:

Qantas to add DRW-TSV from 31 Jan 22 and DRW-CNS from 29 Mar 22, both services are 3 weekly E90’s

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ueensland/

Interesting - theyll be competing with Airnorth on TSV which would already be a codeshare?

JQ already fly CNS-DRW direct with A320s and Airnorth fly via Gove.....seems alot of capacity....

CraigAnderson wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Qantas to add DRW-TSV from 31 Jan 22 and DRW-CNS from 29 Mar 22, both services are 3 weekly E90’s

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ueensland/

Really smart if these can also feed into the DRW-LHR legs of QF1/2 and QF9/10 as cross-border travel restricted are loosened.

Interesting point. Those E-190s seem perfect to be based out of a DRW hub for a lot of the smaller ports across the country. DRW-SIN on a 738 could also be interesting… but then we get into the old chess nut of DRWs viability as a hub.

Has QF ever served DRW-DIL? Or only ever Air North? Does QFLink still fly CNS-POM? I do love the idea of more of those smaller more bespoke international ports being better connected with AU.

I remember BNE-POM on VA being operated by QQ's F100s for a brief period prior to VA's administration. It could be a potential E190 route for QQ on behalf of either QF or VA.

Another point to consider RE this new "Bonza" airlines is that the airports they fly to will need security screening for passengers so that will narrow down their port options along with the need for a long enough runway for 737MAX.
My local airport can accommodate a 737 but there is no screening here. FIFO charters land here, F100's,E170's etc but don't seem to need screening.

qf2048 wrote:

Another point to consider RE this new "Bonza" airlines is that the airports they fly to will need security screening for passengers so that will narrow down their port options along with the need for a long enough runway for 737MAX.
My local airport can accommodate a 737 but there is no screening here. FIFO charters land here, F100's,E170's etc but don't seem to need screening.

FIFO flights (closed charter) dont require screening. RPT flights do (anything bigger than a S340 anyway)

jrfspa320 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Qantas to add DRW-TSV from 31 Jan 22 and DRW-CNS from 29 Mar 22, both services are 3 weekly E90’s

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ueensland/

Interesting - theyll be competing with Airnorth on TSV which would already be a codeshare?

JQ already fly CNS-DRW direct with A320s and Airnorth fly via Gove.....seems alot of capacity....

I'm guessing they are aiming for the connection traffic, As being (technically) QF flghts, they will be able to offer through baggage checks and boarding passes all the way through to the UK and beyond.