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Fliplot wrote:Not operating its own schedule but operating Vueling flights. Perhaps EI is finding it difficult to return to pre covid levels.
Fliplot wrote:Perfect timing by the unions! Either it gets written off in covid costs in 2021 or we have a year of silly strikes in 2022 Seems to me the unions believe aviation is returning to normal.
Fliplot wrote:Not operating its own schedule but operating Vueling flights. Perhaps EI is finding it difficult to return to pre covid levels.
Fliplot wrote:Not operating its own schedule but operating Vueling flights. Perhaps EI is finding it difficult to return to pre covid levels.
OA260 wrote:Fliplot wrote:Not operating its own schedule but operating Vueling flights. Perhaps EI is finding it difficult to return to pre covid levels.
They may as well use them where they are needed within the IAG grouping . That will be more common in the next 12 months . Apart from this weekend and Christmas Winter is looking very quiet in the Irish market sadly.
My VY bookings all still showing A320 so will be interesting to see what develops if indeed anything at all
BrianDromey wrote:OA260 wrote:Fliplot wrote:Not operating its own schedule but operating Vueling flights. Perhaps EI is finding it difficult to return to pre covid levels.
They may as well use them where they are needed within the IAG grouping . That will be more common in the next 12 months . Apart from this weekend and Christmas Winter is looking very quiet in the Irish market sadly.
My VY bookings all still showing A320 so will be interesting to see what develops if indeed anything at all
Fares certainly look very attractive on Ireland-UK and frequencies are down too, especially on the EI offering.
OA260 wrote:BrianDromey wrote:OA260 wrote:
They may as well use them where they are needed within the IAG grouping . That will be more common in the next 12 months . Apart from this weekend and Christmas Winter is looking very quiet in the Irish market sadly.
My VY bookings all still showing A320 so will be interesting to see what develops if indeed anything at all
Fares certainly look very attractive on Ireland-UK and frequencies are down too, especially on the EI offering.
Pretty much the whole European network to be honest. BCN is under €60 , FCO €108 return probably the lowest fares for citybreaks seen for a long time.
On another note Aegean have axed their Winter flights DUB - ATH and will only serve the Irish market for Christmas to accommodate the diaspora. I was looking forward to flying DUB - ATH the week before last but ended up having to go via LHR. Despite that the flights were great and the Business Class cabin was full and proper hot meals / bar service etc.. Was surprised how busy ATH was. At the moment Aegean are due to fly twice weekly next year but if the Irish market picks up enough hopefully they will increase that from June.
BrianDromey wrote:Is there any indication why the frequencies are low and the fares low as well - clearly demand is suppressed, but is this a reflection of much of the demand being at the Irish end of the routs and inbound tourism which just hasn’t yet returned due to the fairly conservative reopening of leisure settings?
In truth I don’t think Ireland is that far behind most of other EU countries - the UK is a notable exception and the caseload reflects that. I think the Government press offices have been doing some interesting briefing with the media - I see a lot more mask wearing again in the past week or so. The Central Line being a very notable exception - as throughout the pandemic.
OA260 wrote:BrianDromey wrote:Is there any indication why the frequencies are low and the fares low as well - clearly demand is suppressed, but is this a reflection of much of the demand being at the Irish end of the routs and inbound tourism which just hasn’t yet returned due to the fairly conservative reopening of leisure settings?
In truth I don’t think Ireland is that far behind most of other EU countries - the UK is a notable exception and the caseload reflects that. I think the Government press offices have been doing some interesting briefing with the media - I see a lot more mask wearing again in the past week or so. The Central Line being a very notable exception - as throughout the pandemic.
Probably a combination of things. A lot of people I know are not thinking about anymore trips until Spring when hopefully we will be in a better place after a tough Winter. ....
KIRFlyer wrote:Looking for some advice. Will be travelling to FAO from DUB in Sep 22’ with EI. 2 adults, and 2 kids. Saver fares are around €811. Should I book now, or wait until summer sales start in the new year? I think that above price is pretty good, and tempted to book now.
Also, what is the likelihood of the 0720 departure always being an A330. I’m leaning toward to the late morning flight, but would go for the earlier departure if it was likely to be the A330.
shamrock321 wrote:Confirmed by an Aer Lingus crew friend that they have 3-5 day A330 trip operating on behalf of Vueling from alley starting next month
KIRFlyer wrote:Looking for some advice. Will be travelling to FAO from DUB in Sep 22’ with EI. 2 adults, and 2 kids. Saver fares are around €811. Should I book now, or wait until summer sales start in the new year? I think that above price is pretty good, and tempted to book now.
Also, what is the likelihood of the 0720 departure always being an A330. I’m leaning toward to the late morning flight, but would go for the earlier departure if it was likely to be the A330.
aviator2000 wrote:Apparently IAG will be using one of Aer Lingus' A330 to operate for Vueling out of their ORY base this winter
shamrock321 wrote:aviator2000 wrote:Apparently IAG will be using one of Aer Lingus' A330 to operate for Vueling out of their ORY base this winter
Confirmed further up the thread, routes will be Dublin, Stockholm, Jerez, Bergamo and Nuremberg.
OA260 wrote:Aer Lingus are extending their flexible booking policy until September 2022. This will be a welcome move as many are still reluctant to part with their money due to the ongoing changing C-19 situation.
shamrock350 wrote:Cara is missed, they’re apparently working on getting it back in digital form. I’d also suggest Aer Lingus consider bringing the A320 up to A321neo standards in some aspects, obviously not seat back entertainment but in seat power and USB ports would be a huge bonus along with built in phone and tablet holders on seat backs.
OA260 wrote:BREAKING: Aer Lingus confirm return of transatlantic flights from Shannon Airport
www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/684531/ ... rport.html
BrianDromey wrote:shamrock350 wrote:Cara is missed, they’re apparently working on getting it back in digital form. I’d also suggest Aer Lingus consider bringing the A320 up to A321neo standards in some aspects, obviously not seat back entertainment but in seat power and USB ports would be a huge bonus along with built in phone and tablet holders on seat backs.
Im surprised they haven't taken the IAG approach and densified the A320s, to be honest. When you think that Ryanair will have scores of 197 seat -8200MAX's, surely there will come a point where a 174Y A320ceo is no longer competitive on fuel and maintenance costs? 174Y is the least dense layout in the IAG family with BA& IB at 180C/Y and Vueling at 186Y. Aerolopa also has IB A32N at 186C/Y. It seems 1 row comes from space flex and one row from tightening the pitch behind the exits and fitting those super slimline seats, exits are still at Rows 12/13 (or 12 & 14 for IB). In truth things are already pretty tight behind the exit rows on the A320, the current seats are quite bulky by modern standards. All the more comfortable for it, too.OA260 wrote:BREAKING: Aer Lingus confirm return of transatlantic flights from Shannon Airport
http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/684531/ ... rport.html
Great news for Shannon. LHR loaded at 2x daily, operated from London. The times are quite odd, there is no morning service, so connectivity for O&D from SNN wont be great and there wont be any connections to/from JFK or BOS. I dont think there will be many onward transatlantic connections possible either. The timings require the aircraft & crew to overnight in LHR. The only obvious benefit is that EI will have an additional morning slot, should that be required elsewhere.
EI385 Dep LHR 14:15 Arr SNN 15:40
EI386 Dep SNN 16:30 Arr LHR 17:50
EI387 Dep LHR 18:45 Arr SNN 20:05
EI388 Dep SNN 20:50 Arr LHR 22:05
Scottish airline Loganair is to begin a new service between Londonderry and Edinburgh next summer.
The direct service will operate three times a week from 17 May 2022, increasing to more flights during the peak summer months, said Loganair.
It will initially operate to and from City of Derry Airport and Edinburgh Airport on Tuesdays, Fridays and Sundays.
Derry Airport boss Steve Fraser said he was delighted about the new route.
"Improving connectivity is key to strengthening our frequency to key business routes in support of the north-west's regional development plans," he said.
"We are experiencing a high demand for leisure, visiting friends and family and as tourism is growing element of our economy we see this as a great opportunity to connect both cities and regions."
Kay Ryan, Loganair's chief commercial officer, said: "Keeping people connected is a key driver for us and launching this route further strengthens our network across the UK."
chrisnh wrote:Good to see BOS-SNN return with the A321, albeit with the same plane they would have used BOS-MAN. I think they chose wisely.
Breathe wrote:Londonderry/Derry returns to EDI with Loganair.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern- ... t-59061360Scottish airline Loganair is to begin a new service between Londonderry and Edinburgh next summer.
The direct service will operate three times a week from 17 May 2022, increasing to more flights during the peak summer months, said Loganair.
It will initially operate to and from City of Derry Airport and Edinburgh Airport on Tuesdays, Fridays and Sundays.
Derry Airport boss Steve Fraser said he was delighted about the new route.
"Improving connectivity is key to strengthening our frequency to key business routes in support of the north-west's regional development plans," he said.
"We are experiencing a high demand for leisure, visiting friends and family and as tourism is growing element of our economy we see this as a great opportunity to connect both cities and regions."
Kay Ryan, Loganair's chief commercial officer, said: "Keeping people connected is a key driver for us and launching this route further strengthens our network across the UK."
JAmie2k9 wrote:x2 SNN
x4 DUB
x1 MAN
x1 TBC - assuming MAN plan for 2 LRs is on track. The second DUB-JFK is showing as LR which would require 5 at DUB however if it goes back to A330 it would likely require return of at least one A330-200 in summer 2022.
BrianDromey wrote:JAmie2k9 wrote:x2 SNN
x4 DUB
x1 MAN
x1 TBC - assuming MAN plan for 2 LRs is on track. The second DUB-JFK is showing as LR which would require 5 at DUB however if it goes back to A330 it would likely require return of at least one A330-200 in summer 2022.
Headforpoints is reporting MAN-BOS has been cut. It’s not on sale right now.
https://www.headforpoints.com/2021/10/2 ... n-flights/
The last 6 XLRs are due from 2023, according to Jethros, so it’s going to be very tight on the LR side. Interesting that MAN got the chop in favour of SNN. I can see MAN being just a pair of A330s for MCO and the Caribbean to be honest.
They’re going to see great utilisation out of the pair at SNN when the LHR-SNN morning flight resumes. While the utilisation is great crewing the operation will be quite complex either via multi-day trips through LHR and JFK or road transfers. Maybe they will consider reopening the base - perhaps their goal all along.
JAmie2k9 wrote:I wouldn’t be sure, in a normal year they launch there summer schedule and then announce new routes. My take is the above link is assuming the announcement is final.
BrianDromey wrote:JAmie2k9 wrote:x2 SNN
x4 DUB
x1 MAN
x1 TBC - assuming MAN plan for 2 LRs is on track. The second DUB-JFK is showing as LR which would require 5 at DUB however if it goes back to A330 it would likely require return of at least one A330-200 in summer 2022.
Headforpoints is reporting MAN-BOS has been cut. It’s not on sale right now.
https://www.headforpoints.com/2021/10/2 ... n-flights/
The last 6 XLRs are due from 2023, according to Jethros, so it’s going to be very tight on the LR side. Interesting that MAN got the chop in favour of SNN. I can see MAN being just a pair of A330s for MCO and the Caribbean to be honest.
They’re going to see great utilisation out of the pair at SNN when the LHR-SNN morning flight resumes. While the utilisation is great crewing the operation will be quite complex either via multi-day trips through LHR and JFK or road transfers. Maybe they will consider reopening the base - perhaps their goal all along.