LAXdude1023 wrote:

Are there any thoughts on when we could see UA scale up in Canada? Is demand still really weak up there?

alo2yyz wrote:

LAXdude1023 wrote:

Are there any thoughts on when we could see UA scale up in Canada? Is demand still really weak up there?

Demand down ~40-60% still on a YTD basis but Q3 was stronger than Q2 seems to be the gist of the recent stats.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1458113&p=23034273&hilit=canadian#p23034273

The feds recently expanded the list of airports that allow entry to smaller cities like YXE, YHM, YYJ, YYT etc which may help (although I don't think UA went to any of those pre-pandemic).
https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-cana ... ights.html

Cmac787 wrote:

N851UA A319 is expected to exit VCV paint with Evo blue livery and ferry to SFO F2725/12Nov

Cmac787 wrote:

I don’t see anything flying in to take this paint slot that opened up. Unless they are going to paint a 777-200 that’s already there

Cmac787 wrote:

N851UA A319 is expected to exit VCV paint with Evo blue livery and ferry to SFO F2725/12Nov

jetmatt777 wrote:

Cmac787 wrote:

I don’t see anything flying in to take this paint slot that opened up. Unless they are going to paint a 777-200 that’s already there

Cmac787 wrote:

N851UA A319 is expected to exit VCV paint with Evo blue livery and ferry to SFO F2725/12Nov

How long are they typically in paint for? They might be keeping its "replacement" on the line for the Thanksgiving schedule.

calpsafltskeds wrote:

739 Question:
N37468 entered GYR 2743/10Nov.
Does anyone know if this unit is in storage or is there maintenance being done in GYR?

Scarebus34 wrote:

jetmatt777 wrote:

Cmac787 wrote:

I don’t see anything flying in to take this paint slot that opened up. Unless they are going to paint a 777-200 that’s already there

How long are they typically in paint for? They might be keeping its "replacement" on the line for the Thanksgiving schedule.

N851UA arrived in VCV on 10/30... so it's about 13-14 days.

portola2727 wrote:

I think UA's current hangar setup is better than its older setup even if UA lost space for now. For one, UA's current hangar location is near all its LAX facilities, including T7/8 and United Cargo. Essentially, United doesn't need to contract LAWA to tow its planes long distances, aka halfway across the airfield, to its other hangar, saving UA money at LAX. I think people forget that when T9 comes online, T9 will have two remote/overnight gates alongside the overnight gates relegated to the hangar. Eventually this might lead to UAL having more overnight spaces for its LAX based fleet.

intotheair wrote:

The way I remember it being described on here a while ago is that the legacy facilities are woefully out of date and that, while the new one is smaller, it's more in line with contemporary airline operations. I'm a big proponent of UA keeping LAX as a sizable hub, but how much hangar space do they really need there? It's not like it's 1968 and they're doing heavy engine maintenance on 720 JT3Cs there anymore.

adamblang wrote:

IFLYUA767 wrote:

Has UA considered adding ATH out of ORD to compete with AA? It seems like overall that UA hasn’t focused much on adding international out of ORD.

When you talk with the network planning folks, they'll tell you they're regularly running and re-running numbers on hundreds of potential routes, plugging them into a hypothetical future network. I'm sure they've got ORD-ATH somewhere on their ranked, prioritized list. Is it next up or are there hundreds in front of it in queue? I don't know.

Cmac787 wrote:

I don’t see anything flying in to take this paint slot that opened up. Unless they are going to paint a 777-200 that’s already there

Cmac787 wrote:

N851UA A319 is expected to exit VCV paint with Evo blue livery and ferry to SFO F2725/12Nov

Pinto wrote:

adamblang wrote:

IFLYUA767 wrote:

Has UA considered adding ATH out of ORD to compete with AA? It seems like overall that UA hasn’t focused much on adding international out of ORD.

When you talk with the network planning folks, they'll tell you they're regularly running and re-running numbers on hundreds of potential routes, plugging them into a hypothetical future network. I'm sure they've got ORD-ATH somewhere on their ranked, prioritized list. Is it next up or are there hundreds in front of it in queue? I don't know.

I think part of the issue is UA is almost maxed out on WB gates space at ORD and the gates that are open are most restricted to the 767. My uneducated understanding in a very general sense the even number C gates that are WB capable are all capable of the 787, while the odd number C gates are limited to the 767. Besides the C gates I think you are limited to B15 and B17 (Which is used by the 4:10 LH ORD - FRA flight). This is the reason ORD has been so heavy on the 767s pre-Covid. I imagine we won't see any real additions outside of late-night flights like ORD - TLV/DEL until the new terminal comes online.

IFLYUA767 wrote:

Has UA considered adding ATH out of ORD to compete with AA? It seems like overall that UA hasn’t focused much on adding international out of ORD.

adamblang wrote:

United's LinkedIn is promoting January service resumption for SFO-SIN 4x weekly.

This flight still doesn't appear on Singapore's VTL website though.

adamblang wrote:

rjbesikof wrote:

Pre-COVID, UA operated 2 flights to Singapore, one that left SFO in the morning and one that left SFO in the evening. Which flight will be operating?

The United.com booking path says UA 1 departs SFO at 10:35 PM and arrives SIN two days later at 8:00 AM after spending 17 hours and 25 minutes in the air. On the way back, UA 2 departs SIN at 10:00 AM and arrives SFO same day at 8:35 AM after spending 14 hours and 35 minutes in the air.

rjbesikof wrote:

adamblang wrote:

rjbesikof wrote:

Pre-COVID, UA operated 2 flights to Singapore, one that left SFO in the morning and one that left SFO in the evening. Which flight will be operating?

The United.com booking path says UA 1 departs SFO at 10:35 PM and arrives SIN two days later at 8:00 AM after spending 17 hours and 25 minutes in the air. On the way back, UA 2 departs SIN at 10:00 AM and arrives SFO same day at 8:35 AM after spending 14 hours and 35 minutes in the air.

Looks like it will be UA1 (evening departure from SFO, morning arrival in SIN) and UA2 (morning departure from SIN, morning arrival in SFO). Pre COVID, what Asia departures left SFO in the evening versus the morning?
https://liveandletsfly.com/united-airli ... pore-2022/

airboss787 wrote:

Anyone know why UA829/UA830 EWR-BOM-EWR is operating on a 787-9? It has never operated on the 787 before and with traffic high given the US reopening, does anyone know why this substitution and when does it go back to the 77W?

codc10 wrote:

rjbesikof wrote:

adamblang wrote:

The United.com booking path says UA 1 departs SFO at 10:35 PM and arrives SIN two days later at 8:00 AM after spending 17 hours and 25 minutes in the air. On the way back, UA 2 departs SIN at 10:00 AM and arrives SFO same day at 8:35 AM after spending 14 hours and 35 minutes in the air.

Looks like it will be UA1 (evening departure from SFO, morning arrival in SIN) and UA2 (morning departure from SIN, morning arrival in SFO). Pre COVID, what Asia departures left SFO in the evening versus the morning?
https://liveandletsfly.com/united-airli ... pore-2022/

This is the pre-COVID schedule for UA1/2, the same since it launched.

airboss787 wrote:

Anyone know why UA829/UA830 EWR-BOM-EWR is operating on a 787-9? It has never operated on the 787 before and with traffic high given the US reopening, does anyone know why this substitution and when does it go back to the 77W?

UA has a few (5?) 77W in the cargo network this fall. I'm sure it will return in 2022 as demand warrants.

rjbesikof wrote:

codc10 wrote:

rjbesikof wrote:

Looks like it will be UA1 (evening departure from SFO, morning arrival in SIN) and UA2 (morning departure from SIN, morning arrival in SFO). Pre COVID, what Asia departures left SFO in the evening versus the morning?
https://liveandletsfly.com/united-airli ... pore-2022/

This is the pre-COVID schedule for UA1/2, the same since it launched.

airboss787 wrote:

Anyone know why UA829/UA830 EWR-BOM-EWR is operating on a 787-9? It has never operated on the 787 before and with traffic high given the US reopening, does anyone know why this substitution and when does it go back to the 77W?

UA has a few (5?) 77W in the cargo network this fall. I'm sure it will return in 2022 as demand warrants.

I was asking what United's pre-COVID schedule to Asia from SFO looked like (not just SIN).

UALifer wrote:

rjbesikof wrote:

codc10 wrote:

This is the pre-COVID schedule for UA1/2, the same since it launched.



UA has a few (5?) 77W in the cargo network this fall. I'm sure it will return in 2022 as demand warrants.

I was asking what United's pre-COVID schedule to Asia from SFO looked like (not just SIN).

The following left at night between 2230 and midnight:
2nd HKG flight (UA877)
CTU (UA8)
2nd ICN flight (seasonal, don’t remember the flight number)
2nd SIN flight (UA1)

Along with all the Oceania stuff
SYD (UA863)
AKL (UA917)
MEL (UA60)

rjbesikof wrote:

UALifer wrote:

rjbesikof wrote:

I was asking what United's pre-COVID schedule to Asia from SFO looked like (not just SIN).

The following left at night between 2230 and midnight:
2nd HKG flight (UA877)
CTU (UA8)
2nd ICN flight (seasonal, don’t remember the flight number)
2nd SIN flight (UA1)

Along with all the Oceania stuff
SYD (UA863)
AKL (UA917)
MEL (UA60)

So, what left in the morning/afternoon are NRT, HND, TPE, the morning SIN, the morning HKG, both PVGs, PEK. Looking at Flightaware, I think UA805 (the summer seasonal ICN) left at 4 in the afternoon. Am I missing something?

sfojvjets wrote:

rjbesikof wrote:

UALifer wrote:

The following left at night between 2230 and midnight:
2nd HKG flight (UA877)
CTU (UA8)
2nd ICN flight (seasonal, don’t remember the flight number)
2nd SIN flight (UA1)

Along with all the Oceania stuff
SYD (UA863)
AKL (UA917)
MEL (UA60)

So, what left in the morning/afternoon are NRT, HND, TPE, the morning SIN, the morning HKG, both PVGs, PEK. Looking at Flightaware, I think UA805 (the summer seasonal ICN) left at 4 in the afternoon. Am I missing something?

I think you're missing PPT? Leaves around midday, not exactly sure when.

Blerg wrote:

I wonder if we might see UA launch ORD-ATH given how successful this route was for AA.

OlympicATH wrote:

Blerg wrote:

I wonder if we might see UA launch ORD-ATH given how successful this route was for AA.

Will probably happen in a few years. UA added IAD-ATH in 2021 so they will probably let that mature before launching a third flight to Greece.

After EWR, IAD is UA’s secondary transatlantic hub, so not a big surprise that came before ORD. I don’t think they ever launched any European route out of ORD which they didn’t already fly from IAD, with the exception of MXP this year (which is a bit of an oddity, not sure if anyone here is any insight - perhaps cargo related).

That being said, there’s a few other European routes they fly to from IAD and not ORD (I can think of BCN, MAD, LIS) and I would expect at least BCN to be launched from ORD before ATH.

OlympicATH wrote:

Blerg wrote:

I wonder if we might see UA launch ORD-ATH given how successful this route was for AA.

Will probably happen in a few years. UA added IAD-ATH in 2021 so they will probably let that mature before launching a third flight to Greece.

After EWR, IAD is UA’s secondary transatlantic hub, so not a big surprise that came before ORD. I don’t think they ever launched any European route out of ORD which they didn’t already fly from IAD, with the exception of MXP this year (which is a bit of an oddity, not sure if anyone here is any insight - perhaps cargo related).

That being said, there’s a few other European routes they fly to from IAD and not ORD (I can think of BCN, MAD, LIS) and I would expect at least BCN to be launched from ORD before ATH.

airboss787 wrote:

Anyone know why UA829/UA830 EWR-BOM-EWR is operating on a 787-9? It has never operated on the 787 before and with traffic high given the US reopening, does anyone know why this substitution and when does it go back to the 77W?

OlympicATH wrote:

Blerg wrote:

I wonder if we might see UA launch ORD-ATH given how successful this route was for AA.

Will probably happen in a few years. UA added IAD-ATH in 2021 so they will probably let that mature before launching a third flight to Greece.

After EWR, IAD is UA’s secondary transatlantic hub, so not a big surprise that came before ORD. I don’t think they ever launched any European route out of ORD which they didn’t already fly from IAD, with the exception of MXP this year (which is a bit of an oddity, not sure if anyone here is any insight - perhaps cargo related).

That being said, there’s a few other European routes they fly to from IAD and not ORD (I can think of BCN, MAD, LIS) and I would expect at least BCN to be launched from ORD before ATH.

adamblang wrote:

United's LinkedIn is promoting January service resumption for SFO-SIN 4x weekly.

This flight still doesn't appear on Singapore's VTL website though.

Blerg wrote:

OlympicATH wrote:

Blerg wrote:

I wonder if we might see UA launch ORD-ATH given how successful this route was for AA.

Will probably happen in a few years. UA added IAD-ATH in 2021 so they will probably let that mature before launching a third flight to Greece.

After EWR, IAD is UA’s secondary transatlantic hub, so not a big surprise that came before ORD. I don’t think they ever launched any European route out of ORD which they didn’t already fly from IAD, with the exception of MXP this year (which is a bit of an oddity, not sure if anyone here is any insight - perhaps cargo related).

That being said, there’s a few other European routes they fly to from IAD and not ORD (I can think of BCN, MAD, LIS) and I would expect at least BCN to be launched from ORD before ATH.

I don't have the numbers but I would suppose O&D demand is larger from ORD to ATH than it is from IAD? I understand IAD is a major hub for them but their competition is also offering transfer options. Anyone know how IAD-ATH performed this year?

I know Sky Express signed an agreement with AA (I suppose interline), do UA and A3 cooperate?

Pinto wrote:

Blerg wrote:

OlympicATH wrote:

Will probably happen in a few years. UA added IAD-ATH in 2021 so they will probably let that mature before launching a third flight to Greece.

After EWR, IAD is UA’s secondary transatlantic hub, so not a big surprise that came before ORD. I don’t think they ever launched any European route out of ORD which they didn’t already fly from IAD, with the exception of MXP this year (which is a bit of an oddity, not sure if anyone here is any insight - perhaps cargo related).

That being said, there’s a few other European routes they fly to from IAD and not ORD (I can think of BCN, MAD, LIS) and I would expect at least BCN to be launched from ORD before ATH.

I don't have the numbers but I would suppose O&D demand is larger from ORD to ATH than it is from IAD? I understand IAD is a major hub for them but their competition is also offering transfer options. Anyone know how IAD-ATH performed this year?

I know Sky Express signed an agreement with AA (I suppose interline), do UA and A3 cooperate?

Everything I looked at the flight it was pretty full especially in PreiumPlus.

Bow the reason I think UA picked IAD over ORD is the stage length. Looking at AA's ORD - ATH it is about a 24:30 round trip for the aircraft. So while AA can swap out the plane something like ORD - ATH - ORD - Late Night LHR, UA doesn't have any late night 788 flights from ORD. While IAD - ATH fits perfectly into the window of 22:40 round-trip. Given the aircraft IAS makes sense in aircraft planning terms. Also both aircraft are on the ground for approx 2 hours in ATH.

Blerg wrote:

Pinto wrote:

Blerg wrote:

I don't have the numbers but I would suppose O&D demand is larger from ORD to ATH than it is from IAD? I understand IAD is a major hub for them but their competition is also offering transfer options. Anyone know how IAD-ATH performed this year?

I know Sky Express signed an agreement with AA (I suppose interline), do UA and A3 cooperate?

Everything I looked at the flight it was pretty full especially in PreiumPlus.

Bow the reason I think UA picked IAD over ORD is the stage length. Looking at AA's ORD - ATH it is about a 24:30 round trip for the aircraft. So while AA can swap out the plane something like ORD - ATH - ORD - Late Night LHR, UA doesn't have any late night 788 flights from ORD. While IAD - ATH fits perfectly into the window of 22:40 round-trip. Given the aircraft IAS makes sense in aircraft planning terms. Also both aircraft are on the ground for approx 2 hours in ATH.

Makes me wonder if demand stays as strong (US-Greece) if UA might rather introduce flights from California to Athens. Maybe they'd rather be first from there rather than to fight AA from ORD. They seem to have a large base in SFO as from what I know UA isn't as big in LAX.