United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q4 2021

LightChop2Chop · Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:25 pm

I would be very surprised to not see IAH GEO. oil to oil. biz traffic is growing like crazy.

caleb1 · Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:27 pm

In the crossword puzzle, I see the name Fernando. The music group ABBA has a song called Fernando. I believe ABBA is from Stockholm. Hmmm......

N292UX · Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:28 pm

If there’s some routes out of EWR, I could see adds like EWR-SVQ/BLQ/OSL being some possibilities.

rjbesikof · Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:45 pm

N292UX wrote:
If there’s some routes out of EWR, I could see adds like EWR-SVQ/BLQ/OSL being some possibilities.

AA failed with BLQ. Would UA do any better?

caleb1 · Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:52 pm

Also, the first name of the man driving the cart is Maximillian. That made me think of Archduke Maximilian, who was born in Vienna. That could be a possibility.

CALMSP · Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:03 pm

It does seem DEN-CDG will be one.

Boiler905 · Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:14 pm

Based on clues observed and discussed...

IAH-ACC/LAD (tag)
LAX-ARN
DEN-MUC
LAX-LGW
IAD-OPO
IAD-VIE
EWR-PDL
EWR-NCE
DEN-FCO
IAH-CUR

United787 · Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:26 pm

I really am hoping for:

ORD-BOG or LIM
ORD-BCN
ORD-ATH

but until the Global Terminal (T2) is built at ORD, I don't see UA having much room to add much of anything. Hopefully we will at least resume all of the pre-COVID routes.

FCOTSTW · Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:32 pm

rjbesikof wrote:
2) ORD-MXP (MXP would now be served from the middle of the country)..

Great opportunity window, due to AZ folding and ITA not picking up the FCO ORD market (for the moment)

Cmac787 · Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:33 pm

Looks like N17963 787-9 is going to replace it

fun2fly wrote:
789 Polaris Mod N29961 looks to exit XMN Oct 16.

OA412 · Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:42 pm

Boiler905 wrote:
Based on clues observed and discussed...

LAX-ARN

LAX-LGW

Definitely no on both of these. The US 3 have had a difficult time making any non-LHR route work from LAX. If they can't make FRA or CDG work, no way they are going to fly LAX-ARN which is a much smaller market. Also keep in mind that when SK returned to LAX, they initially served ARN-LAX before moving the flight over to CPH.

LGW also not happening. UA doesn't serve LGW at all (and in fact has never served LGW). If they were to ever open it as a station, it would be to fly EWR/ORD/IAD-LGW.

rbavfan · Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:57 pm

rjbesikof wrote:
N292UX wrote:
If there’s some routes out of EWR, I could see adds like EWR-SVQ/BLQ/OSL being some possibilities.

AA failed with BLQ. Would UA do any better?

Depends on the disporia from whatever hub United uses vs the hub American tried.

JannEejit · Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:04 pm

Cryptic clues ? A still I grabbed from the United teaser video.

Screenshot_20211013-134217~3 by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/153220517@N03/]JannEejit/url], on Flickr

capitalflyer · Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:11 pm

Sweden, Porto, Nice

BTVB6Flyer · Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:13 pm

This doesn’t make much sense, but the green button on the backpack, looks like Florida, with a darker green spot over TPA/MCO area.

LAXdude1023 · Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:14 pm

capitalflyer wrote:
Sweden, Porto, Nice

Thats my guess.

Given the Euro centric nature of these, its hard to imagine IAH, DEN, SFO, or LAX being involved. I suppose LAX is a possibility since the trailer was shot there, but almost everything is shot in Los Angeles across all industries.

Id guess these routes are going to be out of EWR, IAD, and/or ORD.

airbazar · Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:16 pm

Boiler905 wrote:
Based on clues observed and discussed...
IAH-ACC/LAD (tag)
IAD-VIE

ACC/LAD would make more sense from IAD or EWR.
IAD-VIE doesn't make sense. Route is served by OS which is owned by LH with whom UA has a JV.

LAXdude1023 · Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:23 pm

airbazar wrote:
Boiler905 wrote:
Based on clues observed and discussed...
IAH-ACC/LAD (tag)
IAD-VIE

ACC/LAD would make more sense from IAD or EWR.
IAD-VIE doesn't make sense. Route is served by OS which is owned by LH with whom UA has a JV.

IAH-LAD, by far, the most lucrative US-LAD market.

I dont expect UA to fly there, but Im just saying.

hooverman · Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:36 pm

I was really hoping for DEN-AMS but no clues to be found.

marcogr12 · Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:38 pm

United787 wrote:
I really am hoping for:

ORD-BOG or LIM
ORD-BCN
ORD-ATH

but until the Global Terminal (T2) is built at ORD, I don't see UA having much room to add much of anything. Hopefully we will at least resume all of the pre-COVID routes.

ORD-ATH is an AA territory...Is there room for a 2nd player?

by738 · Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:41 pm

A thistle badge presumably means something more for EDI?

Irehdna · Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:05 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
United787 wrote:
I really am hoping for:

ORD-BOG or LIM
ORD-BCN
ORD-ATH

but until the Global Terminal (T2) is built at ORD, I don't see UA having much room to add much of anything. Hopefully we will at least resume all of the pre-COVID routes.

ORD-ATH is an AA territory...Is there room for a 2nd player?

NYC-ATH has 5 daily flights. 2x DL and 1x EK/AA/UA. Obviously ORD-ATH is smaller (5x smaller?) but would not be surprised if UA could make it work especially with their hub at ORD (and dedicate EWR solely for east coast).

jetblastdubai · Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:16 pm

marcogr12 wrote:

ORD-ATH is an AA territory...Is there room for a 2nd player?

Look at all the European routes AA had out of ORD in the 80s and look what they have now. Compare that to what UA had in the 80s and what they have at ORD now.

UA seems to do far, far better to mainland Europe than AA and they can probably do the same with ATH if they wanted.

piedmontf284000 · Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:47 pm

I truly believe that all the new routes will be in Europe. UA is betting on Summer 2022 being the return of transatlantic traffic, and based on what I am hearing and seeing, they will be correct.

As far as some of the guesses above, UA has already loaded all of these into the system and are available for purchase...

EWR-NCE
EWR-SNN
EWR-PRG
EWR-OPO
EWR-EDI
EWR-ARN
EWR-DBV
EWR-NAP
EWR-OSL (SAS service)

I can't remember how many are resumption of service or new service.

Acey559 · Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:00 pm

piedmontf284000 wrote:
I truly believe that all the new routes will be in Europe. UA is betting on Summer 2022 being the return of transatlantic traffic, and based on what I am hearing and seeing, they will be correct.

As far as some of the guesses above, UA has already loaded all of these into the system and are available for purchase...

EWR-NCE
EWR-SNN
EWR-PRG
EWR-OPO
EWR-EDI
EWR-ARN
EWR-DBV
EWR-NAP
EWR-OSL (SAS service)

I can't remember how many are resumption of service or new service.

I believe NCE is the only new one. It was announced for summer of 2020 but never happened. I believe EWR-PMO was another route in that same boat.

United787 · Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:01 pm

Irehdna wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
United787 wrote:
I really am hoping for:

ORD-BOG or LIM
ORD-BCN
ORD-ATH

but until the Global Terminal (T2) is built at ORD, I don't see UA having much room to add much of anything. Hopefully we will at least resume all of the pre-COVID routes.

ORD-ATH is an AA territory...Is there room for a 2nd player?

NYC-ATH has 5 daily flights. 2x DL and 1x EK/AA/UA. Obviously ORD-ATH is smaller (5x smaller?) but would not be surprised if UA could make it work especially with their hub at ORD (and dedicate EWR solely for east coast).

Agreed. ORD is a smaller market than NYC but not nearly 5x smaller. Also, ORD is able to offer more connections to a larger swathe of the US than EWR, that is what is needed for the ATH market.

EDIGLA18 · Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:19 pm

by738 wrote:
A thistle badge presumably means something more for EDI?

That's what I thought but Edinburgh is pretty well served by United. The pre-covid summer timetable was a daily service to ORD, ERD and IAD with EWR running throughout the year.

I can't see there being enough demand to justify something from the west coast.

N292UX · Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:46 pm

rjbesikof wrote:
N292UX wrote:
If there’s some routes out of EWR, I could see adds like EWR-SVQ/BLQ/OSL being some possibilities.

AA failed with BLQ. Would UA do any better?

EWR and PHL are two very different hub markets

Tyroneguy · Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:50 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
United787 wrote:
I really am hoping for:

ORD-BOG or LIM
ORD-BCN
ORD-ATH

but until the Global Terminal (T2) is built at ORD, I don't see UA having much room to add much of anything. Hopefully we will at least resume all of the pre-COVID routes.

ORD-ATH is an AA territory...Is there room for a 2nd player?

DBV was also AA territory, until this year. If UA wants it, they'll launch a flight.

B747forever · Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:59 pm

As EWR-ARN wouldn’t be a new route, maybe it is EWR-GOT on a 757 a few times a week over summer peak season?

Tyroneguy · Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:04 pm

Pi7472000 wrote:
COPolynesianPub wrote:
sUAisDL's post made me think of a question. Does anyone know if UA had an exception policy for stranded WN passengers for a confirmed seat or standby? Many years ago if CO did reaccommadate on WN, the CO ticket counter would issue paper checks to WN to carry displaced passengers. I have no idea if that has been done at UA.

United would be smart to accommodate to WN passengers. WN has been a mess this summer and UA can show that they are a much improved product compared to WN. Hopefully UA can attract some WN passengers to their network! DEN would be a great place to start.

Accommodate them on what? UA's flights are going out full already.

DaCubbyBearBar · Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:20 pm

I love how UA does this…. Very clever and fun

jhsusman · Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:27 pm

United is getting 20+ new gates in Denver early in 2022 and many are widebody / international capable - got to figure that they will make a splash. . .

PSU.DTW.SCE · Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:37 pm

Is there an actual announcement yet or are they just continuing to drop breadcrumb clues and leading to speculation educated guesses?

Nicknuzzii · Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:45 pm

Acey559 wrote:
piedmontf284000 wrote:
I truly believe that all the new routes will be in Europe. UA is betting on Summer 2022 being the return of transatlantic traffic, and based on what I am hearing and seeing, they will be correct.

As far as some of the guesses above, UA has already loaded all of these into the system and are available for purchase...

EWR-NCE
EWR-SNN
EWR-PRG
EWR-OPO
EWR-EDI
EWR-ARN
EWR-DBV
EWR-NAP
EWR-OSL (SAS service)

I can't remember how many are resumption of service or new service.

I believe NCE is the only new one. It was announced for summer of 2020 but never happened. I believe EWR-PMO was another route in that same boat.

Completely correct.

Nicknuzzii · Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:46 pm

JannEejit wrote:
Cryptic clues ? A still I grabbed from the United teaser video.

Screenshot_20211013-134217~3 by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/153220517@N03/]JannEejit/url], on Flickr

Those routes have all been announced years ago.

CALMSP · Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:04 am

jhsusman wrote:
United is getting 20+ new gates in Denver early in 2022 and many are widebody / international capable - got to figure that they will make a splash. . .

to be exact, 23 NB or 16 NB on the south side and 5 WB on the north side.

portola2727 · Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:27 am

CALMSP wrote:
jhsusman wrote:
United is getting 20+ new gates in Denver early in 2022 and many are widebody / international capable - got to figure that they will make a splash. . .

to be exact, 23 NB or 16 NB on the south side and 5 WB on the north side.

That logic means that LAX could also get a splurge since we got the MSC and maybe a huge expansion later down the line when T9 comes online(Which is all but certain right now). The only thing that is needed at this point is approval from the city of LA and my home airport gets an awesome expansion.

B752OS · Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:03 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
portola2727 wrote:
Please god, please let it be LAX-FRA and LAX-TLV.

Agreed. LAX-TLV would be a huge market for UA and I can’t believe they haven’t jumped into it yet.

Isn't something around 30% of passengers on SFO-TLV-SFO connecting to/from LAX?

hl8208 · Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:04 am

portola2727 wrote:
CALMSP wrote:
jhsusman wrote:
United is getting 20+ new gates in Denver early in 2022 and many are widebody / international capable - got to figure that they will make a splash. . .

to be exact, 23 NB or 16 NB on the south side and 5 WB on the north side.

That logic means that LAX could also get a splurge since we got the MSC and maybe a huge expansion later down the line when T9 comes online(Which is all but certain right now). The only thing that is needed at this point is approval from the city of LA and my home airport gets an awesome expansion.

Yes, but how much expansion will UA go for at LAX with a hypothetical T9 without cannibalizing SFO? And on that note, I'm also not optimistic about LAX getting any additions this time around. LAX made a clear appearance in the last clue video and we got nothing.

STT757 · Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:06 am

United held a media event tonight in Manhattan. There’s a lid on the reporting until tomorrow’s reveal, sounds more than just restoring seasonal routes from last Summer.

jetmatt777 · Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:26 am

Southwest passengers have been spilling over into any open seats they can find and afford. I know several coworkers who got stuck in various cities this weekend who had to rent a car or pay huge dollars for a confirmed seat. Flights that had 25-30 open seats all of the sudden had 0, network-wide. I know I was loosely planning on a trip this week on Tuesday but was unable to go because my flight went from 18 open seats to oversold. The same trip next week which was my backup is also filling up fast. Way faster than usual this late into the booking window.

Southwest really messed up a lot of people's travel plans this month because of their meltdown this weekend, not just their own.

EWRamp · Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:28 am

I saw Curaçao in the video. Not sure from which hub it would operate from

airbazar · Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:31 am

STT757 wrote:
United held a media event tonight in Manhattan. There’s a lid on the reporting until tomorrow’s reveal, sounds more than just restoring seasonal routes from last Summer.

Never underestimate the power of marketing. They'll spin it as new routes (they already have), and only a.net geeks like us will know the difference. Meanwhile the news will be plastered all over the media and that's all that matters.

rjbesikof · Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:31 am

On a potential LAX-MUC/FRA, Does LAX T7 now have space to acommodate a widebody European arrival/departure since PVG and LHR (the 2 main UA intl flights that ran in the afternoon) are not operating.

jetmatt777 · Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:33 am

CALMSP wrote:
jhsusman wrote:
United is getting 20+ new gates in Denver early in 2022 and many are widebody / international capable - got to figure that they will make a splash. . .

to be exact, 23 NB or 16 NB on the south side and 5 WB on the north side.

We are not getting them all at once. We will take a few gates at a time to allow the airport to shuffle DL, F9, and AA around as needed. Also, we don't have the manpower to take that many gates over a single quarter. We will begin taking those gates in early 2022 but it could take a year or more to actually take possession of all of them, from what I have heard from local leadership.

FlyingElvii · Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:26 am

piedmontf284000 wrote:
I truly believe that all the new routes will be in Europe. UA is betting on Summer 2022 being the return of transatlantic traffic, and based on what I am hearing and seeing, they will be correct.

As far as some of the guesses above, UA has already loaded all of these into the system and are available for purchase...

EWR-NCE
EWR-SNN
EWR-PRG
EWR-OPO
EWR-EDI
EWR-ARN
EWR-DBV
EWR-NAP
EWR-OSL (SAS service)

I can't remember how many are resumption of service or new service.

Are some of these being run on the MAX?

CALMSP · Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:29 am

FlyingElvii wrote:
piedmontf284000 wrote:
I truly believe that all the new routes will be in Europe. UA is betting on Summer 2022 being the return of transatlantic traffic, and based on what I am hearing and seeing, they will be correct.

As far as some of the guesses above, UA has already loaded all of these into the system and are available for purchase...

EWR-NCE
EWR-SNN
EWR-PRG
EWR-OPO
EWR-EDI
EWR-ARN
EWR-DBV
EWR-NAP
EWR-OSL (SAS service)

I can't remember how many are resumption of service or new service.

Are some of these being run on the MAX?

these should all be 767's

Coal · Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:38 am

Are they meant to be new routes or restarts as well? With the Singapore government announcing the vaccinated travel lane with the US, I could see UA resuming LAX-SIN and/or SFO-SIN. Potentially EWR-SIN which could give them a minor upper hand as from EWR you can connect up and down the East Coast whereas SQ's SIN-JFK flight basically offers no connections. SQ used to codeshare with B6 but seems that's gone now. In fact, I'm flying SIN-JFK in a few weeks and connecting to a DL flight to FLL on separate tickets. However, I would still do this even if UA could offer a seamless SIN-EWR-FLL connection, although I am sure many who would prefer to book all in one ticket.

portola2727 · Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:47 am

rjbesikof wrote:
On a potential LAX-MUC/FRA, Does LAX T7 now have space to acommodate a widebody European arrival/departure since PVG and LHR (the 2 main UA intl flights that ran in the afternoon) are not operating.

UAL operations at LAX are split tbh. Any overflow intl widebodies are pushed to TBIT. That's why United is so keen to expand into T9 once it comes online. T7/8 can be used for mostly narrowbody flights with some widebodies while T9 takes United's long haul fleet. Considering PVG/HND are gone for now, T7 does have space.

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