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Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:19 am

A Spirit A320NEO N922NK, operating flight 3044 to FLL experienced a birdstrike and rejected takeoff at ACY, the Atlantic City, New Jersey airport. The right hand engine subsequently caught on fire.

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The passengers evacuated on the runway and the fire was extinguished by the airport's fire department.

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/lo ... wt_PHBrand
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:33 am

That had to be a pretty big bird to eat that motor like that.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:44 am

Canadian Goose?
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:02 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is3xPah6bMg

Video from inside the plane.

As to why the FA's didn't want pax to leave is beyond me but it's sad to see the human inability to not make an attempt for their personal items in an emergency let alone follow directions
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:21 am

I'd say brake fire? The evac video shows no fire. Don't brake fires happens after a few minutes after the heat up?
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:17 am

RickNRoll wrote:
Canadian Goose?

Canada Goose
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:18 am

Everyone caught on tape retrieving their stupid carry-on’s should get an automatic 10 year no-fly list add. Unbelievable.
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:54 am

nine4nine wrote:
Everyone caught on tape retrieving their stupid carry-on’s should get an automatic 10 year no-fly list add. Unbelievable.


Human nature unfortunately. You see this in most every accident/evacuation video. The one in Russia several years ago is probably the most disturbing. That wasn’t caught on video but those who escaped told of many passengers blocking the exits by fumbling for their things
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:12 am

If you’re gonna risk your life for a bag, at least make sure it’s a Rimowa and not some $50 bag from Target….
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:29 am

What's needed is an electric lock on the overhead bins. If there's weight on the wheels, the bins don't open. That and an announcement that the bins "are and will remain closed, locked, and inaccessible while the aircraft is on the ground" would clean up most of this nonsense.
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:46 am

747-600X wrote:
What's needed is an electric lock on the overhead bins. If there's weight on the wheels, the bins don't open. That and an announcement that the bins "are and will remain closed, locked, and inaccessible while the aircraft is on the ground" would clean up most of this nonsense.

That’s a great idea. Especially when they lock at the gate during a normal passenger deplaning. Hell IFE systems consistently are inop - WiFi inop, might as well add another failure point on an aircraft.
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:26 am

747-600X wrote:
What's needed is an electric lock on the overhead bins. If there's weight on the wheels, the bins don't open. That and an announcement that the bins "are and will remain closed, locked, and inaccessible while the aircraft is on the ground" would clean up most of this nonsense.


I agree it is a good idea, however an override would be necessary for flight attendants if there was a battery fire in them for example. The airline I work for also has plenty of safety and first aid equipment in the overhead lockers towards the front of the aircraft.

But then there is also the fact that these idiots would stand there fumbling around trying to open them anyway.
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:19 am

bourbon wrote:
747-600X wrote:
What's needed is an electric lock on the overhead bins. If there's weight on the wheels, the bins don't open. That and an announcement that the bins "are and will remain closed, locked, and inaccessible while the aircraft is on the ground" would clean up most of this nonsense.

That’s a great idea. Especially when they lock at the gate during a normal passenger deplaning. Hell IFE systems consistently are inop - WiFi inop, might as well add another failure point on an aircraft.

Or even better, life vests in bins will be locked out after ditching.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:58 am

I’m wondering why they didn’t use the L1 door for evacuation?
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:45 am

tjwgrr wrote:
I’m wondering why they didn’t use the L1 door for evacuation?


Never mind- The video shows them using L1. That picture must’ve been taken before they blew that slide.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:41 pm

More disturbing than the carry-ons is everyone's need to record with their phone. At first I was thinking that it looks like a fairly calm evacuation, but then realized the lack of urgency to get off and away from the plane, or the help others, everyone is so busy filming. The person at the bottom of the slide is just laying there. From the time the person filming is off the plane and then returns to have a close up of the engine, the rest of the pax should have been off, yet they're coming down the slide about 1 person every 5 seconds.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:47 pm

iAvgeek737 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is3xPah6bMg

Video from inside the plane.

As to why the FA's didn't want pax to leave is beyond me but it's sad to see the human inability to not make an attempt for their personal items in an emergency let alone follow directions

For a few reasons. Over the years when evacuations involve the slides, there are more injuries. So the f/as were most likely in touch with the cockpit relaying information to and getting info from them. In addition, the pilots have to go through a checklist that includes shutting the engines off. You dont want to send people out before they are off. In one fairly recent incident a passenger using an overwing exit with slide was seriously injured when, after getting to the ground, the engine blast hit him, knocking him back down. So you see that L2 slide blowing. That could have been wind taking it up before any people had been able to use it and straighten it out, or the #1 engine could have still been on. Someone said that the pic was early in the evacuation because 1L had yet to be opened.
Everyone always mentions taking their carryon, and whoever said it was human nature is absolutely right. So there you have another reason to not immediately evacuate without checking conditions outside the door. In this case, as with so many others, the conditions in the back were completely different than the conditions in the front.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:53 pm

747-600X wrote:
What's needed is an electric lock on the overhead bins. If there's weight on the wheels, the bins don't open. That and an announcement that the bins "are and will remain closed, locked, and inaccessible while the aircraft is on the ground" would clean up most of this nonsense.


If they built in devices to counter every single bit of human nature, we'd next be stuck with self-locking seat belts and having to raise our hand and ask Miss FlightAttendant for permission to go to the bathroom.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:06 pm

The video from behind the engine shows a significant amount of fire. The delayed evacuation with people screaming fire while others are getting their luggage out of bins slowly while crew tells people fire trucks are on their way is concerning.

Why are cabin crew on the PA about Fire Trucks coming? If they know fire trucks are on the way, they already must have communicated with the flight deck. Why no evacuation

https://youtu.be/61dwDQda_NY
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:34 pm

Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
The video from behind the engine shows a significant amount of fire. The delayed evacuation with people screaming fire while others are getting their luggage out of bins slowly while crew tells people fire trucks are on their way is concerning.

Why are cabin crew on the PA about Fire Trucks coming? If they know fire trucks are on the way, they already must have communicated with the flight deck. Why no evacuation

https://youtu.be/61dwDQda_NY

SQ had at least two accidents with major fires - not minor like this one - and evacuation on hold for quite a while. If anything is to be learnt from those cases is that things may be very drastic - or things can wait, and fire on the wing may be more waitable.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:50 pm

Absolutely crazy to see passenger's priority being filming and fumbling through the overheads, I don't understand the mentality these days. I'd also be very curious to find out why the crew delayed the evacuation when many were screaming 'fire', seems totally contradictory to our survival instincts to calmly remain seated when fire is in close proximity to your seat.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:56 pm

The simpler solution to the baggage is two fold: Passengers only, no bags on the trip from where the plane parks to the terminal. Second, airline and FAA commit to retrieving those bags as soon as it is safe, not when it is convenient. I believe most airports have a receiving room that can hold a plane load of people. Transport them there, send in treats and beverages. Make people happy. It often works.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:06 pm

bourbon wrote:
747-600X wrote:
What's needed is an electric lock on the overhead bins. If there's weight on the wheels, the bins don't open. That and an announcement that the bins "are and will remain closed, locked, and inaccessible while the aircraft is on the ground" would clean up most of this nonsense.

That’s a great idea. Especially when they lock at the gate during a normal passenger deplaning. Hell IFE systems consistently are inop - WiFi inop, might as well add another failure point on an aircraft.



Or they are designed so that they can activate a locking mechanism in an emergency only.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:43 pm

Several things here.. fa’s have the option to initiate an evacuation. Pilots have a checklist to run to secure the aircraft. That can take 2 minutes to run if you wait the full60 seconds for the fire bottles to do their job. Pilots are also in communication with the fire brigade and the tower. Maybe they see something and are trying to keep the area clear for a few seconds. You notice the evacuation command came after the fire truck doused the engine and brakes. No one was run over like in the San Francisco accident.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:44 pm

Knowing NK’s operations at ACY there were probably a bunch of senior citizens on that flight. Making evacuation complicated.
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:51 pm

frmrCapCadet wrote:
The simpler solution to the baggage is two fold: Passengers only, no bags on the trip from where the plane parks to the terminal. Second, airline and FAA commit to retrieving those bags as soon as it is safe, not when it is convenient. I believe most airports have a receiving room that can hold a plane load of people. Transport them there, send in treats and beverages. Make people happy. It often works.


1. Passengers need access to things on-board: laptop bags, diaper bags, medicines...

2. When you tell business travelers they're going to have to check a bag, no carry-ons, you change the calculus of drive vs. fly and cut short-haul industry demand from the highest-fare flyers by 20%.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:03 pm

I carry a messenger bag, weight at or close to the limit. Essential items are contained there. It fits, along with my feet, under the seat.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:10 pm

Flight Attendants are instructed to wait for evacuation unless it’s a no doubt, get out situation. Believe it or not, an engine fire isn’t always a ‘get out now’ situation. The FD would be their shortly making the scene safer, and the likelihood of injury from the evacuation is greater.

Of course, human nature seeing flames while you’re in the plane is an entirely different matter.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:12 pm

iAvgeek737 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is3xPah6bMg

Video from inside the plane.

As to why the FA's didn't want pax to leave is beyond me but it's sad to see the human inability to not make an attempt for their personal items in an emergency let alone follow directions


The evacuation started as soon as the “evacuate” PA was given!!
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:13 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
frmrCapCadet wrote:
The simpler solution to the baggage is two fold: Passengers only, no bags on the trip from where the plane parks to the terminal. Second, airline and FAA commit to retrieving those bags as soon as it is safe, not when it is convenient. I believe most airports have a receiving room that can hold a plane load of people. Transport them there, send in treats and beverages. Make people happy. It often works.


1. Passengers need access to things on-board: laptop bags, diaper bags, medicines...

2. When you tell business travelers they're going to have to check a bag, no carry-ons, you change the calculus of drive vs. fly and cut short-haul industry demand from the highest-fare flyers by 20%.


Now of that is worth your life or anyone else’s!!!
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:15 pm

Blockplus wrote:
Several things here.. fa’s have the option to initiate an evacuation. Pilots have a checklist to run to secure the aircraft. That can take 2 minutes to run if you wait the full60 seconds for the fire bottles to do their job. Pilots are also in communication with the fire brigade and the tower. Maybe they see something and are trying to keep the area clear for a few seconds. You notice the evacuation command came after the fire truck doused the engine and brakes. No one was run over like in the San Francisco accident.


The evacuation order was given after the engines were shutdown, per the evacuation checklist. The fact that the fire trucks showed up was coincidence.
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:20 pm

ACCS300 wrote:
I'd also be very curious to find out why the crew delayed the evacuation when many were screaming 'fire'


Engines still running.
Fire bottle may put out fire; it did.
Fire trucks ran over people in SFO.
Slides not yet deployed.

That's why.
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:28 pm

nine4nine wrote:
Everyone caught on tape retrieving their stupid carry-on’s should get an automatic 10 year no-fly list add. Unbelievable.


It's human nature, and don't kid yourself.......most here on a.net would do exactly the same thing.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:44 pm

Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
The video from behind the engine shows a significant amount of fire. The delayed evacuation with people screaming fire while others are getting their luggage out of bins slowly while crew tells people fire trucks are on their way is concerning.

Why are cabin crew on the PA about Fire Trucks coming? If they know fire trucks are on the way, they already must have communicated with the flight deck. Why no evacuation

https://youtu.be/61dwDQda_NY


In All my years in the industry the vast majority being a trolley dolly the one thing that’s always been taught.
If there’s a Fire GET OUT! At my airline it’s never stay seated the fire trucks are on there way. If another crew member or passengers starts the evacuation then everyone else follows thru. Especially if the over wing exit rows is yelling fire where 99% of the time a crew member isn’t there and can’t make there way back to confirm you take Safety as the numbers one priority and you evacuate.
For me It’s distributing to watch the videos.
The captain will not and should never be butt hurt by the cabin crews judgment call since that’s your Number one job requirement is SAFETY.
Yes the cockpit has a shutdown checklist they must do.
But in the event something happens while they do their check list ANY crew members can start the evacuation if they situation like a fire.
While seconds save lives second
Guesses can take lives just as quick.
The videos will be part of a broad review from the NTSB.
Spirits Inflight CISM procedures will definitely be reviewed and the crew will be interviewed on what was going on in terms of crew communication and the airlines overall safety requirements and training.

It’s 2021 the carry on baggage issues is way over do for a revision of the limits.
The FAA had the chance to make the changes after 9/11 but political parties pushed back and many things got
Shelved.
With the pending Covid vaccination requirements coming this could be the time to put in a line item addition to regulate everyone down to one small personal item.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:58 pm

nine4nine wrote:
Everyone caught on tape retrieving their stupid carry-on’s should get an automatic 10 year no-fly list add. Unbelievable.


Maybe a bit overdramatic .. remember people have their wallets, meds, computers etc in their bags. And it's a situation none of them are familiar with being in. Are you sure you wouldn't act in the same way if you were ever in that situation? Lets be a little less critical here. The A.Net mantra: "automatic ban, no-fly list, arrest, firing squad" .. is getting a bit overused, I'd say.
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Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:09 pm

Vicenza wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
Everyone caught on tape retrieving their stupid carry-on’s should get an automatic 10 year no-fly list add. Unbelievable.


It's human nature, and don't kid yourself.......most here on a.net would do exactly the same thing.



100% agree with you. And they'd be screaming and crying like Cindy Brady at the same time.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:30 pm

I know NK keeps the EVAC command button in the cockpit on "Captain" not "Captain/Purser" for what it's worth.
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:52 pm

To amplify my suggestion. The solution to keeping people from getting their carryons during an evacuation needs to be as non confrontational as possible. The standard pre-flight needs to note their carryons will not be transported to the terminal in the event of an evacuation. You might have some people refusing to hand their carryons over. Just wait them out, and after a certain time summon law enforcement. If they hear this advisory everytime they get on board a plane they likely will become believers.
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:53 pm

At times it can be safer to keep people on board rather than send them down the slides straight away. As of now, we don’t know what information the crew had. Did the fire service ask the crew to keep the passengers on board? The American Airlines engine fire at O’Hare showed how chaotic the situation can be outside the aircraft, put passengers into that mix can be a recipe for fatalities (https://youtu.be/nAf4XmoRRcU). Fire trucks have killed passengers evacuating from an aircraft in the past. Currently we don’t have all of the facts and until we do, when the report comes out, it is unfair to criticize the actions of the crew.
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:00 pm

I think the crew did an excellent job. You can hear them say remain seated etc. The passengers recording and taking their bags and inciting panic is exactly what is wrong with society.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:14 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
The video from behind the engine shows a significant amount of fire. The delayed evacuation with people screaming fire while others are getting their luggage out of bins slowly while crew tells people fire trucks are on their way is concerning.

Why are cabin crew on the PA about Fire Trucks coming? If they know fire trucks are on the way, they already must have communicated with the flight deck. Why no evacuation

https://youtu.be/61dwDQda_NY


In All my years in the industry the vast majority being a trolley dolly the one thing that’s always been taught.
If there’s a Fire GET OUT! At my airline it’s never stay seated the fire trucks are on there way. If another crew member or passengers starts the evacuation then everyone else follows thru. Especially if the over wing exit rows is yelling fire where 99% of the time a crew member isn’t there and can’t make there way back to confirm you take Safety as the numbers one priority and you evacuate.
For me It’s distributing to watch the videos.
The captain will not and should never be butt hurt by the cabin crews judgment call since that’s your Number one job requirement is SAFETY.
Yes the cockpit has a shutdown checklist they must do.
But in the event something happens while they do their check list ANY crew members can start the evacuation if they situation like a fire.
While seconds save lives second
Guesses can take lives just as quick.
The videos will be part of a broad review from the NTSB.
Spirits Inflight CISM procedures will definitely be reviewed and the crew will be interviewed on what was going on in terms of crew communication and the airlines overall safety requirements and training.

It’s 2021 the carry on baggage issues is way over do for a revision of the limits.
The FAA had the chance to make the changes after 9/11 but political parties pushed back and many things got
Shelved.
With the pending Covid vaccination requirements coming this could be the time to put in a line item addition to regulate everyone down to one small personal item.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy


I think we can still have carry-ons. What needs to happen though is people who come out of an emergency landing with any luggage need to have massive fines placed on them, be banned from flying for a long period of time, and be criminally responsible for any fire related deaths. Furthermore these penalties need to be communicated in the pre-flight announcement just like the smoke alarm tampering message.
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:24 pm

F27500 wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
Everyone caught on tape retrieving their stupid carry-on’s should get an automatic 10 year no-fly list add. Unbelievable.


Maybe a bit overdramatic .. remember people have their wallets, meds, computers etc in their bags. And it's a situation none of them are familiar with being in. Are you sure you wouldn't act in the same way if you were ever in that situation? Lets be a little less critical here. The A.Net mantra: "automatic ban, no-fly list, arrest, firing squad" .. is getting a bit overused, I'd say.



A bit over dramatic? Tell that to the people at the back of the aeroflot SSJ that burned alive because people up front were getting their carry-on’s. If it takes 20 minutes to deplane because it takes time to get your bags out, do you have 20 minutes when your plane is in fire?

And no I would never put my bag ahead of a human in an evacuation.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:26 pm

Some people have critical things in their bags, like medication.

I can't judge anyone for getting their bag during an evacuation
 
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Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:28 pm

smokeybandit wrote:
Some people have critical things in their bags, like medication.

I can't judge anyone for getting their bag during an evacuation


So someone’s medication is more important than others lives?
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:34 pm

As usual… people are not accounting for the human factor. Fear and panic make people act irrationally, selfishly, crazy, the list goes on, it just depends on the particular person.

You can add all the rules and equipment you want, people will still find a way to act the opposite of how you want them to. Locks on the overheads? Great, now people will be trying to pry them open instead of evacuating.

And mind you… this was Spirit. Probably the fewest carry ons in the cabin compared to the big guys.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:52 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
The video from behind the engine shows a significant amount of fire. The delayed evacuation with people screaming fire while others are getting their luggage out of bins slowly while crew tells people fire trucks are on their way is concerning.

Why are cabin crew on the PA about Fire Trucks coming? If they know fire trucks are on the way, they already must have communicated with the flight deck. Why no evacuation

https://youtu.be/61dwDQda_NY


In All my years in the industry the vast majority being a trolley dolly the one thing that’s always been taught.
If there’s a Fire GET OUT! At my airline it’s never stay seated the fire trucks are on there way. If another crew member or passengers starts the evacuation then everyone else follows thru. Especially if the over wing exit rows is yelling fire where 99% of the time a crew member isn’t there and can’t make there way back to confirm you take Safety as the numbers one priority and you evacuate.
For me It’s distributing to watch the videos.
The captain will not and should never be butt hurt by the cabin crews judgment call since that’s your Number one job requirement is SAFETY.
Yes the cockpit has a shutdown checklist they must do.
But in the event something happens while they do their check list ANY crew members can start the evacuation if they situation like a fire.
While seconds save lives second
Guesses can take lives just as quick.
The videos will be part of a broad review from the NTSB.
Spirits Inflight CISM procedures will definitely be reviewed and the crew will be interviewed on what was going on in terms of crew communication and the airlines overall safety requirements and training.

It’s 2021 the carry on baggage issues is way over do for a revision of the limits.
The FAA had the chance to make the changes after 9/11 but political parties pushed back and many things got
Shelved.
With the pending Covid vaccination requirements coming this could be the time to put in a line item addition to regulate everyone down to one small personal item.

Enjoy or Don’t
Flyguy


I totally agree with you. Fire means evacuate. When dozens of people are shouting fire, the crew should not tell people to sit and wait for fire trucks.

santi319 wrote:
I think the crew did an excellent job. You can hear them say remain seated etc. The passengers recording and taking their bags and inciting panic is exactly what is wrong with society.


I think the crew made the situation worse. I hope the FAA thoroughly investigates the evacuation. People always will gather their baggage. They need clear instructions. What made it worse is that there was a fire and instead of giving commands to evacuate, the cabin crew said fire trucks are on the way and sit down causing more panic. If many people over the wing are screaming fire and saying let us out, then an evacuation needs to be initiated with clear instructions. It appears that it took over a minute to evacuate which caused more panic and ended up with luggage in the aisles. They are lucky smoke didn’t enter the cabin.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:07 pm

tzadik wrote:
I know NK keeps the EVAC command button in the cockpit on "Captain" not "Captain/Purser" for what it's worth.


Why does Spirit not allow cabin crew to initiate an evacuation?

The captain will not know if there is smoke or flames about to enter the cabin. On American 383 (the 2016 767 evacuation at ORD), the first exit was opened within 10 seconds of stopping by a flight attendant and 3 doors had been opened before the captain started the evacuation checklist at 35 seconds. There was comparatively less luggage retrieved due to the quick cabin crew action.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:31 pm

As soon as I saw the headline, I KNEW exactly what this thread was going to turn into: a bunch of self-righteous armchair fanboys claiming they would act perfectly in an emergency and demanding carry on bag bans, fines, and other ridiculous reactions.

Fines and no-fly bans are designed to deter bad behavior, but given how miniscule the odds are of any passenger being in an emergency evacuation at some point in their lifetime, these punishments are not a real or practical enough threat to affect anyone's behavior. My mother was a flight attendant for 37 years and never had to evacuate an airplane once. Furthermore, what are the odds that any of these individuals are going to be in ANOTHER evacuation in their lifetime to where they would have learned their lesson and behave better next time?

Likewise, banning all carry on luggage is a total non-starter. As a business traveler, 20-30 minutes or more waiting in baggage claim on both ends of trip is wasted, non-billable time. And where would you draw the line at baggage bans anyway: purses but not backpacks? Backpacks but not duffles? Duffles but not roll aboards? As long as you allow ANY bag in the cabin, the potential exists for people grabbing them instead of evacuating immediately. This is an example of the solution being worse than the problem.

I understand we're all passionate about safety, but these knee-jerk, idealized, judgmental responses are really not necessary.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:37 pm

Vicenza wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
Everyone caught on tape retrieving their stupid carry-on’s should get an automatic 10 year no-fly list add. Unbelievable.


It's human nature, and don't kid yourself.......most here on a.net would do exactly the same thing.


I wouldn't. Just saying. The safety of everyone around me would be more important than anything I have in the overhead. If you haven't made that decision before you board the plane, then stop flying and take a bus, shipt, train or automobile.

It really needs to be part of the crew instuctions just before takeoff that are given along with no smoking in the lavs and how to breath through the masks that drop from the ceiling. If its meds that are absolutely necessary to sustain your life, then put them in your pocket or a fanny pack or a small purse over your shoulder.

In an emergency situation the safety of everyone around you is more important than any goods you placed in the overhead compartment. If you can come to that conclusion before you board the flight, then don't board the flight.

We all have dispositions, tendencies, habits, belief systems, selfishness, etc.... It all takes a back seat to the safe evacuation of your fellow passengers.
 
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Re: Spirit A320NEO involved in a birdstrike and fire at ACY

Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:53 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
Everyone caught on tape retrieving their stupid carry-on’s should get an automatic 10 year no-fly list add. Unbelievable.


Human nature unfortunately. You see this in most every accident/evacuation video. The one in Russia several years ago is probably the most disturbing. That wasn’t caught on video but those who escaped told of many passengers blocking the exits by fumbling for their things

It was caught on video. You can count the number of seconds between the time one person exits, and the moron dragging the bag almost as big as he was leaves. Only a couple of more people got out behind him, the rest DIED….

I have said this for years, if you stop in front of me to retrieve a bag during an evac, I am going to grab you by your hair and belt, and physically throw you out the door. And I am a big enough guy to do exactly that. I am not burning to death so that you can retrieve your laptop.

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