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Icelandair Fleet Renewal

Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:56 pm

Icelandair has stated they will make a decision on what medium range plane to replace the 757’s by years end. Seems the AIRBUS A321LR or XLR would be the right plane. Could make it LAX or even the Middle East if they ever decided to fly there. Wondering what my fellow avgeeks think.
 
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Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:05 pm

It appears Icelandair has slated itself towards the 737 Max as its replacement for medium-haul routes. I'm not sure of a specific target retirement year for the 757s and 767s but in the immediate future Icelandair continues to utilize them quite well.
For their further stations that are on the edge of the Max range, such as SEA and DEN, I'm not quite sure what their plan is. They had an order for four 787s but ended up canceling that.
 
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Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:36 pm

It's a question if Icelandair could reliably coax a MAX 8 KEF-SFO/LAX. XLRs could, surely, at the cost of having another type. They might be better off seat-blocking MAXs, really. 787s are entirely a different matter of range and capacity.
 
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Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:50 pm

The 767 is used for both range and freight. The A321LR is a downgauge in cargo capacity. Replacing both 757s and 767s with narrowbodies would probably require more dedicated freighters.

Is Icelandair using 737s on their west coast routes now?
 
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Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:23 pm

Icelandair has been very pleased with their 737MAX8 and 9s and have given feedback to the media regarding so. They have flown them on routes such as SEA and PDX and MCO which they didn't originally anticipate using the MAX for such flights.
 
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Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:30 pm

MAX 10 ?
 
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Re: Icelandair Fleet Renewal

Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:17 pm

Another golden opportunity for the 797 if Boeing can become competent again.
 
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Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:31 pm

Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
Is Icelandair using 737s on their west coast routes now?


KEF-PDX is a MAX8 route, which confirms YVR and SEA could be.

Planeboy17 wrote:
Another golden opportunity for the 797 if Boeing can become competent again.


A prospective order this small doesn't kick off a $10 Billion investment. Not ten orders this size, even.
 
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Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:59 pm

What about keeping the 757's for a bit longer, perhaps even replacing some ageing/coming off lease for any younger birds that AA or others have retired (not sure of commonality concerns between the two), and waiting for the 797 and some early slots and perhaps discounted rates.

The Max does appear to have found a home in Iceland for the majority of the routes. As far as cargo movement is concerned, I could see them moving to either their own small dedicated freighters (retain a few 757s) or perhaps an agreement with Cargojet to haul their goods.
 
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Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:21 pm

The MAX 10 will be fine for them.
 
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Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:24 pm

In my view, Icelandair would be smart to do a top-up order for MAXes and get a handful of 787s for longer range / heavy cargo (the -8 is the better size for Icelandair, but -9 is typically more efficient). I do, however, understand the appeal of the A321neoXLR.

FYI re: cargo aircraft, Icelandair is having at least 2 of their 767s converted.
 
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Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:30 pm

Planeboy17 wrote:
Another golden opportunity for the 797 if Boeing can become competent again.


What is a 797?
 
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Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:12 pm

The issue is likely around replacing the Boeing 767 fleet. I have to wonder if the B788 is too large or heavy as a replacement. The B752 would likely be replaced by the B38M and B39M. By 2030, I see FI operating secondhand B788s, plus B38Ms and B39Ms.
 
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Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:34 pm

Can a 787 be operated at a lower MTOW, to meet FI's needs? They did actually order two 787s at the very outset of the program, but subsequently cancelled them. They probably need them for (by 787 standards) pretty short flights - LHR, CPH, BOS and JFK. LAX is probably a stretch for a Max - 4,313 miles.

In addition to the published range, there's also the issue of diversion; where do you go if KEF is closed? So, they probably need a lot more range than just the straight line distance.

There are definite advantages to an A321Neo in FI's fleet, but if they were to go down that road, they'd probably want to keep to two types; having the 787, A321Neo and 737 Max in such a small fleet would probably not be the best idea.

From what I've heard about the 797, it would definitely be of interest to FI and would probably fit its needs, so perhaps Boeing could persuade FI to stick with an interim fleet of 787s and Max 10s until these enter service.
 
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Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:13 pm

Can the MAX meet their cargo needs?
 
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Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:59 pm

Planeboy17 wrote:
Another golden opportunity for the 797 if Boeing can become competent again.


A prospective order this small doesn't kick off a $10 Billion investment. Not ten orders this size, even.[/quote]

It’s not just about this order, it’s about DL, UA, AA and dozens of other airlines around the globe looking for a 757 replacement. This is definitely not a make it or break it order obviously but it’s gravy on the turkey that Boeing is leaving on the table. They’ve been hemming and hawing about this for several years now, if they actually green light this airplane they’ll wonder why they can’t muster any orders.
 
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Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:24 pm

Can the MAX8s fly to SEA,PDX in the winter with strong headwinds without tech stop?
 
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Tue Oct 05, 2021 3:16 am

I was just on Icelandair today to PDX (757) and was discussing with the flight crew about the range of the 737 MAX8 on the PDX route. They said when they use it on this route cargo is left behind as are some pax. And that’s in the summer months. Probably not the best plane for west coast routes.
 
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Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:12 pm

vulindlela744 wrote:
Icelandair has stated they will make a decision on what medium range plane to replace the 757’s by years end. Seems the AIRBUS A321LR or XLR would be the right plane. Could make it to LAX or even the Middle East if they ever decided to fly there. Wondering what my fellow avgeeks think.
 
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Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:33 pm

vulindlela744 wrote:
I was just on Icelandair today to PDX (757) and was discussing with the flight crew about the range of the 737 MAX8 on the PDX route. They said when they use it on this route cargo is left behind as are some pax. And that’s in the summer months. Probably not the best plane for west coast routes.


I'd be surprised if Icelandair didn't choose the A321XLR. It will have a 4,500~4,750 nm still-air range, which translates to about a 3,750~4,000 nm "real world" range. This should be enough to serve KEF-LAX year-round. However, with the XLR's center-rear fuel tank, I imagine its cargo capacity will take a hit.

I imagine that the MAX8's are running KEF-SEA/PDX on days when demand is lighter and winds aloft more favorable.
 
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Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:46 pm

Icelandair wants more 737MAX8 aircraft.

https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/i ... 28.article
 
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Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:52 pm

asuflyer wrote:
Icelandair wants more 737MAX8 aircraft.

https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/i ... 28.article


3 new MAX 8 to be leased by Summer 2022.
 
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Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:59 pm

As much as the A321neo could fly Icelandairs longer routes perfectly these are far from perfect for Icelandair. First Icelandair already flies the 737 MAX. Adding another type that for 95% does the same missions makes absolutely no sense for an Airline this size, unless they completely switch to A32X. Second the A321LR/XLR is not the greatest aircraft to carry around a lot of Cargo, and AFAIK Icelandair flies around quite some Cargo.

IMO the best way for Icelandair is to get more 737 MAX (8 and 9, maybe 10) and additionaly a handful of used 787s, or maybe White Tail 787s (are there any left?). I know the 787 is not perfect either, but they need aircraft to serve LAX and SFO for example and to some heavy cargo high demand destinations. The decision between the 8 and 9 would be pretty hard. The 8 is sized better in terms of capacity, but the 9 should have a much better availability, while being too large ... Maybe they can get MTOW reduced 787-9s?
 
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Re: Icelandair Fleet Renewal

Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:17 pm

How much cargo (fish) can a 737 Max 10 carry as opposed to an A321XLR or LR though ? If it's purely down to cargo carrying potential which side wins the argument ? They already run a couple of dedicated 757 freighters, is there a Max equivalent under proposal ?
 
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Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:24 pm

What made FI go for the MAX instead of the Neo? Was it availability and better prices?
 
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Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:57 pm

Yeah, I've been on SEA-KEF many times on the 757 and seen hundreds of fish boxes being loaded both to and from KEF, in addition to pax luggage, I can't image the 8MAX being anywhere near capable of meeting their needs.
 
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Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:24 pm

I wonder if ex-Norweigan frames would be of interest? They must have a few 788/9s lying around. They're already furnished with a high(er) density-leisure oriented layout. :hyper:

There's also quite a few gently used A330-200s around (-AA, and AV come to mind) if the 78s were too much trouble.
Hawaiian seems to be making both of those aircraft fit their model, an island-leisure oriented hub and mid-range stage lengths.

How's the gate spacing at KEF?
 
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:34 am

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As much as the A321neo could fly Icelandairs longer routes perfectly these are far from perfect for Icelandair. First Icelandair already flies the 737 MAX. Adding another type that for 95% does the same missions makes absolutely no sense for an Airline this size, unless they completely switch to A32X. Second the A321LR/XLR is not the greatest aircraft to carry around a lot of Cargo, and AFAIK Icelandair flies around quite some Cargo.


So how does the cargo-carrying capabilities of a 737 MAX compare to an A321neo?

I know there's a lot of fish jokes that get trotted out whenever planes, cargo and Icelandair is mentioned, but I'd have thought a 737 MAX is no better at carrying cargo than an A321.

Either more cargo aircraft or getting newer widebodies would get around that. Elsewhere in the world, cargo alone is one reason that keeps a route profitable and why certain aircraft are used to certain places.
 
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:56 am

An order for 3 Max aircraft doesn't necessarily equate to full fleet replacement. No doubt Boeing will give them a great price and it's a type they can currently work with.

Personally I could see FI going for a mix of A321 NEOs and XLRs as a bulk replacement for the 757/Max operation, and some used A330s for the heavy routes or longer ones that have the 20+ hour downtime on the far side.

With careful fleet planning a standard A321 NEO can cover all European routes and the majority of US/Canada routes without the need for multiple ACTs, thus more cargo capability..while a few select frames can be the XLR for longer and more niche routes. Cargo capacity may take a hit regardless of whether you go for Boeing or Airbus, the airline has to balance that against efficency and running costs.
 
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:20 am

I thought Boeing had sold all their white tails, in which case the only way they'll get three frames quickly is by leasing and so may not be indicative of longer term plans.
 
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:30 am

JannEejit wrote:
How much cargo (fish) can a 737 Max 10 carry as opposed to an A321XLR or LR though ?

It depends on how they are loaded, are they packed side by side or in a herringbone style. :duck:
 
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:11 am

Neither MAX nor A321 is a perfect solution for what they need. I can see them picking up a small number of used widebodies tbh.
 
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:42 am

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Neither MAX nor A321 is a perfect solution for what they need. I can see them picking up a small number of used widebodies tbh.


Indeed, they do have 4 767s at the moment. I think these do quite a bit of wet-lease work but they clearly fill a role in the TF fleet. The A330neo must be in consideration, but TF have ordered the 787 in the past. They leased them to Norwegian, as I recall.

Looking at Wikipedia the A321 appears to have more cargo volume than the 757-200 at 51.70m3 for the A321 Vs 43.3 for the 757. I not sure that is correct, but I couldn't find anything else. Th general consensus here is that the 757 has greater volume? I guess a bulk loaded and 757 are comparable in terms of volume but the 757 can carry that load a lot further. The payload range of the A321 falls off a cliff around 2500nm. All of Europe is easily reachable, but even the East Coast of North America would be a challenge.

All of that said the 737MAX won't be appreciable better or worse. The cost to reflect a relatively small airline like TF would be enormous, but with little obvious benefit.
 
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:44 am

BrianDromey wrote:

Looking at Wikipedia the A321 appears to have more cargo volume than the 757-200 at 51.70m3 for the A321 Vs 43.3 for the 757. I not sure that is correct, but I couldn't find anything else. Th general consensus here is that the 757 has greater volume? I guess a bulk loaded and 757 are comparable in terms of volume but the 757 can carry that load a lot further. The payload range of the A321 falls off a cliff around 2500nm. All of Europe is easily reachable, but even the East Coast of North America would be a challenge.

Be careful. The max A321 cargo volumes you find are generally with 0 ACTs (that won’t get a A321neo to west coast US from KEF), and the XLR will have permanently less due to the fixed RCT. That said I’m not so sure how accurate those numbers are, DL gives 50.8 m3 for the 757: https://www.deltacargo.com/Cargo/catalo ... ng-757-200

DL does list 51.8 m3 for the A321 (https://www.deltacargo.com/Cargo/catalo ... airbus-321) but they have A321s with 0 ACTs.

If you use containers you are fitting ~37 m3 of cargo in the A321 max.

Can’t find a source for 43.3m3
 
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Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:49 am

BrianDromey wrote:
Armodeen wrote:
Neither MAX nor A321 is a perfect solution for what they need. I can see them picking up a small number of used widebodies tbh.


Indeed, they do have 4 767s at the moment. I think these do quite a bit of wet-lease work but they clearly fill a role in the TF fleet. The A330neo must be in consideration, but TF have ordered the 787 in the past. They leased them to Norwegian, as I recall.

Looking at Wikipedia the A321 appears to have more cargo volume than the 757-200 at 51.70m3 for the A321 Vs 43.3 for the 757. I not sure that is correct, but I couldn't find anything else. Th general consensus here is that the 757 has greater volume? I guess a bulk loaded and 757 are comparable in terms of volume but the 757 can carry that load a lot further. The payload range of the A321 falls off a cliff around 2500nm. All of Europe is easily reachable, but even the East Coast of North America would be a challenge.

All of that said the 737MAX won't be appreciable better or worse. The cost to reflect a relatively small airline like TF would be enormous, but with little obvious benefit.


TF is the Icelandic register, Icelandair is FI.

Regarding 767s, none of the 4 are wet-leased out. They're all very busy in the Icelandair network flying routes like AMS, LHR, CDG, CPH, ARN and FRA on the European side and BOS, JFK, EWR, IAD, YYZ and SEA on the N-American side. You may be thinking of the Loftleidir 767s that are leased out to airlines such as Air Niugini.
 
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readytotaxi wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
How much cargo (fish) can a 737 Max 10 carry as opposed to an A321XLR or LR though ?

It depends on how they are loaded, are they packed side by side or in a herringbone style. :duck:


:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Be careful. The max A321 cargo volumes you find are generally with 0 ACTs (that won’t get a A321neo to west coast US from KEF), and the XLR will have permanently less due to the fixed RCT. That said I’m not so sure how accurate those numbers are, DL gives 50.8 m3 for the 757: https://www.deltacargo.com/Cargo/catalo ... ng-757-200

DL does list 51.8 m3 for the A321 (https://www.deltacargo.com/Cargo/catalo ... airbus-321) but they have A321s with 0 ACTs.

If you use containers you are fitting ~37 m3 of cargo in the A321 max.

Can’t find a source for 43.3m3


I couldn’t find a source for that either, other than Wikipedia. It seemed low to me? I’m not sure how dense frozen fish is, but I’m guessing its on the denser side so that makes the payload/range chart of the A321 even worse compared to the 757.

At the end of the day neither of these aircraft can reach the US west coast without significant penalties from KEF. There is no obvious benefit to reflecting with A321LRs compared to 737-8MAX.

SRQKEF wrote:
Regarding 767s, none of the 4 are wet-leased out. They're all very busy in the Icelandair network flying routes like AMS, LHR, CDG, CPH, ARN and FRA on the European side and BOS, JFK, EWR, IAD, YYZ and SEA on the N-American side. You may be thinking of the Loftleidir 767s that are leased out to airlines such as Air Niugini.


I am thinking of Loftleidir, indeed! I think they have 757s as well? Are they operationally separate from Icelandair in any meaningful way? There isn’t a lot of information on the internet, but their website suggests that the aircraft are flown under the FI (thanks for the correction!) certificates?
 
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How much cargo (fish) can a 737 Max 10 carry as opposed to an A321XLR or LR though ? If it's purely down to cargo carrying potential which side wins the argument ? They already run a couple of dedicated 757 freighters, is there a Max equivalent under proposal ?


Well passenger capacity is pretty similar, depending cargo it depends if Icelandair chooses the A321XLR with or without ACT. I tend to think they need need the ACT for the longest routes but this one takes away cargo space. I dont think that an XLR with a full passenger load has much space left for any Cargo. The MAX10 on the other hand should have space for Cargo but it lacks range of course. I think there is no other choice than the 787 or maybe quite new used 763ER.

marcogr12 wrote:
What made FI go for the MAX instead of the Neo? Was it availability and better prices?


I dont think there was an A321LR or XLR when Icelandair ordered the MAX, only the Standard that has similar range to the MAX. Icelandair was a pretty early MAX customer.
 
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DLHAM wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
How much cargo (fish) can a 737 Max 10 carry as opposed to an A321XLR or LR though ? If it's purely down to cargo carrying potential which side wins the argument ? They already run a couple of dedicated 757 freighters, is there a Max equivalent under proposal ?


Well passenger capacity is pretty similar, depending cargo it depends if Icelandair chooses the A321XLR with or without ACT. I tend to think they need need the ACT for the longest routes but this one takes away cargo space. I dont think that an XLR with a full passenger load has much space left for any Cargo. The MAX10 on the other hand should have space for Cargo but it lacks range of course. I think there is no other choice than the 787 or maybe quite new used 763ER.

marcogr12 wrote:
What made FI go for the MAX instead of the Neo? Was it availability and better prices?


I dont think there was an A321LR or XLR when Icelandair ordered the MAX, only the Standard that has similar range to the MAX. Icelandair was a pretty early MAX customer.


Couldn't they have cancelled the order after the MAX crashes and go for NEOs? Consumption-wise and putting passenger fears and experience aside, are the MAXs better, more fuel efficient than the A320Ns for their european short/mid-haul network? They did say at some point that these planes will help them expand their network southwards, towards the Med i assume, considering that in the summer they don't fly to hotspots like FCO,ATH,TLV,LCA,CTA,MLA,PMI and the greek islands (like Primera used to do with direct flights to CHQ,RHO,HER)
 
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marcogr12 wrote:
DLHAM wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
How much cargo (fish) can a 737 Max 10 carry as opposed to an A321XLR or LR though ? If it's purely down to cargo carrying potential which side wins the argument ? They already run a couple of dedicated 757 freighters, is there a Max equivalent under proposal ?


Well passenger capacity is pretty similar, depending cargo it depends if Icelandair chooses the A321XLR with or without ACT. I tend to think they need need the ACT for the longest routes but this one takes away cargo space. I dont think that an XLR with a full passenger load has much space left for any Cargo. The MAX10 on the other hand should have space for Cargo but it lacks range of course. I think there is no other choice than the 787 or maybe quite new used 763ER.

marcogr12 wrote:
What made FI go for the MAX instead of the Neo? Was it availability and better prices?


I dont think there was an A321LR or XLR when Icelandair ordered the MAX, only the Standard that has similar range to the MAX. Icelandair was a pretty early MAX customer.


Couldn't they have cancelled the order after the MAX crashes and go for NEOs? Consumption-wise and putting passenger fears and experience aside, are the MAXs better, more fuel efficient than the A320Ns for their european short/mid-haul network? They did say at some point that these planes will help them expand their network southwards, towards the Med i assume, considering that in the summer they don't fly to hotspots like FCO,ATH,TLV,LCA,CTA,MLA,PMI and the greek islands (like Primera used to do with direct flights to CHQ,RHO,HER)

Icelandair already had Maxes in fleet before the grounding. And yes they could have canceled but canceling Maxes doesn’t get them good pricing and delivery slots on the Neo. Also only the A321neo/XLR has a clear superior case over the Max. The Max8/9 are perfectly competitive with the A320neo, and both carry more cargo-you just have to bulk load it (which FI has plenty of experience with because of the 757).

Contrary to A.net’s opinion on how Icelandair should feel about the Max, they have expressed public happiness about the plane, and have said that the plane has been performing better than they were anticipating.

My personal opinion is that FI hoping/pushing for a NMA slightly larger than the 752/A321 to replace the longer 757 routes and operate alongside the smaller Maxes.
 
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[quote="BrianDromey"][quote="Polot"]


At the end of the day neither of these aircraft can reach the US west coast without significant penalties from KEF. There is no obvious benefit to reflecting with A321LRs compared to 737-8MAX.

.[/quote


Not true! WOW Air has even flown its A 321ceo and neo non-stop from KEF to LAX and SFO without any problems! Then the XLR creates that even more!
 
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Not true! WOW Air has even flown its A 321ceo and neo non-stop from KEF to LAX and SFO without any problems! Then the XLR creates that even more!


True, but this A321neo Standard did NOT fly with a full load of passenger, not even close.
With only 100 passengers or a bit less for example the MAX8 could also reach SFO from KEF easily.
 
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Not true! WOW Air has even flown its A 321ceo and neo non-stop from KEF to LAX and SFO without any problems! Then the XLR creates that even more!

WOW was frequently stopping in Edmonton for fuel when the A321 was operating those flights. When it was flying it nonstop it was highly restricted in terms of pax on board and obviously no cargo. The plane was not suited for the route at all, WOW air was just using it because they were returning A330s and (foolishly) did not want to cancel the routes.
 
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Polot wrote:

Can’t find a source for 43.3m3


Wikipedia is wrong. Well, for the cubic meter amount, at least.

1,670 ft3 is correct, but the conversion doesn't give you 43.3 m3. It gives you 47.3 m3. This is the source wikipedia used btw. A Boeing document from 2007.

https://www.boeing.com/resources/boeing ... senger.pdf

Boeing's ACAP document for the 757, dated 2002, has another figure though. 1790 ft3, 51 m3. But there is a note that mentions that the volume is reduced by 3 m3 with a telescoping baggage system. So the 47.3 m3 amount seems accurate, taking into account that restriction. Page 9.

https://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/comme ... 757_23.pdf

For what it's worth, I corrected the m3 amount on wikipedia, as that is what the source quoted says.

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