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BA (finally) gives official clarity as to new/returning/canceled routes!

Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:59 pm

BA's FBook page has given some much-desired clarity on route resumptions, with a few announcements that (while in the schedule) hadn't been officially made before.
https://www.facebook.com/britishairways ... 0036495830

Highlights include:

US/Canada:
    In addition to services already operating or recently launched - ATL, DEN, IAD, PHL, PHX, SEA and YVR will be returning to daily.

    AUS, BNA, BWI, LAS, MCO, MSY, SAN, and TPA are confirmed for relaunch as well, but frequency wasn't given here (presuming less than daily for all)


Some Caribbean routes will go greater than daily (BGI, ANU, etc)


Increases from LCY to European ports, most notably 64 weekly to AMS, 68 weekly to DUB, and 36 weekly to BER.


Several all-new shorthaul non-LON routes announced as well.
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:18 pm

TPA-LGW resumes Nov 1st at 5x weekly except Tue and Fri.
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:22 pm

What’s left in the US? SJC, PIT, CHS, PDX.

Did I miss any? PDX never started. My understanding was BA was going to resume SJC. Is that not correct?
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:26 pm

Several new ? I only see SOU - SZG and BHD - BHX on that tweet...
But yes, good to see BA ramping up flights again.
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:31 pm

BA has loaded into the system for MCO-LHR 1x daily and MCO-LGW 1x daily (with some select Fridays, 2x) starting in November.
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:33 pm

The post is a bit vague on when those remaining routes will be starting. That is, it states: "We are set to fly to more destinations than any other transatlantic carrier and by December will be operating:....Re-starting routes to Austin, Orlando, Tampa, San Diego, Las Vegas, Baltimore, Nashville and New Orleans." Unclear if this means those routes start by December or just will be re-starting at some other point. My guess is some other point, but could be (hopefully) wrong.
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:00 pm

Any word about the announced, never started route to Portland Oregon PDX? DL also dropped their PDX-LHR flight so perhaps there will be room to resume a nonstop to London. PDX is also now considered a OneWorld hub through Alaska, i wonder if that would help the cause.
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:01 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
The post is a bit vague on when those remaining routes will be starting. That is, it states: "We are set to fly to more destinations than any other transatlantic carrier and by December will be operating:....Re-starting routes to Austin, Orlando, Tampa, San Diego, Las Vegas, Baltimore, Nashville and New Orleans." Unclear if this means those routes start by December or just will be re-starting at some other point. My guess is some other point, but could be (hopefully) wrong.

AUS and SAN both restart October 13, 2021
MSY and BNA both restart December 9, 2021

Haven't bothered to look up the rest, but the dates are out there, just not in this specific P.R.
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:02 pm

LHR-LAS 1x daily starting November 1
 
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BoeingGuy wrote:
What’s left in the US? SJC, PIT, CHS, PDX.

Did I miss any? PDX never started. My understanding was BA was going to resume SJC. Is that not correct?

In North America:

    PIT, CHS, and YYC will not be returning. PDX never started, and is scratched.

    SJC is in the schedules to return March 27, 2022.
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:07 pm

LHR-IAD (Baltimore) has already restarted 2x daily
 
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aviationjunky wrote:
LHR-IAD (Baltimore) has already restarted 2x daily

IAD is Dulles
BWI is Baltimore.

Both are co-terminals of the Washington, D.C. metro area, but two separate airports.
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:12 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
aviationjunky wrote:
LHR-IAD (Baltimore) has already restarted 2x daily

IAD is Washington/Dulles.
BWI is Baltimore/Washington.

Co-terminals of the same metro area, but two separate airports.


Sorry.. LHR-BWI begins December 7
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:20 pm

Any confirmation on what aircraft are going to be used on the LHR-DEN route?
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:22 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
The post is a bit vague on when those remaining routes will be starting. That is, it states: "We are set to fly to more destinations than any other transatlantic carrier and by December will be operating:....Re-starting routes to Austin, Orlando, Tampa, San Diego, Las Vegas, Baltimore, Nashville and New Orleans." Unclear if this means those routes start by December or just will be re-starting at some other point. My guess is some other point, but could be (hopefully) wrong.

AUS and SAN both restart October 13, 2021
MSY and BNA both restart December 9, 2021

Haven't bothered to look up the rest, but the dates are out there, just not in this specific P.R.


Thanks. I’m pleasantly surprised.
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:32 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
The post is a bit vague on when those remaining routes will be starting. That is, it states: "We are set to fly to more destinations than any other transatlantic carrier and by December will be operating:....Re-starting routes to Austin, Orlando, Tampa, San Diego, Las Vegas, Baltimore, Nashville and New Orleans." Unclear if this means those routes start by December or just will be re-starting at some other point. My guess is some other point, but could be (hopefully) wrong.

AUS and SAN both restart October 13, 2021
MSY and BNA both restart December 9, 2021

Haven't bothered to look up the rest, but the dates are out there, just not in this specific P.R.


Thanks. I’m pleasantly surprised.

I get what you mean, but numerically, shouldn't be:
If you'll recall that leak of per-route yield that was posted a few years back, it clearly showed SAN/AUS/MSY/BNA as among the highest-yielding routes in BA's N.American system, in regard to LON O&D. Surpassing even mainstays like SFO, ORD, ATL, and even JFK.

    What they of course didn't show, was the net network benefit, which is guaranteed to be higher on most of the aforementioned, than on the newer routes.

It also had the added effect of showing just how predatory their LGW-FLL/OAK adds were, as the yields on those were insanely low, such that they couldn't realistically be justified as anything other than trying to make life difficult for DY/DU at the time. :lol: So there was that too.
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:34 pm

B717fan wrote:
Any confirmation on what aircraft are going to be used on the LHR-DEN route?


Currently using the 772, but looks like its changing to the 789 at the beginning of November.
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:51 pm

That’s some schedule to Dublin from LCY - 68 per week - assume that 34 each direction?
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:03 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Increases from LCY to European ports, most notably 64 weekly to AMS


Sorry Britain

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/10/t ... ivers-nos/
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:28 pm

PANAMsterdam wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Increases from LCY to European ports, most notably 64 weekly to AMS

Sorry Britain

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/10/t ... ivers-nos/

....what does that have to do with what's being discussed here?
 
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Re: BA (finally) gives official clarity as to new/returning/canceled routes!

Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:58 pm

No news on EWR-LHR? Now I’m starting to wonder if they’ve left for good at this point.
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:05 pm

MaRoFu wrote:
No news on EWR-LHR? Now I’m starting to wonder if they’ve left for good at this point.

It’s in the schedule in November (BA188) with a 777. Not sure when it actually starts up again or frequency.

Edit: Appears to be starting Nov 1st.
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:12 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Increases from LCY to European ports, most notably 64 weekly to AMS, 68 weekly to DUB, and 36 weekly to BER


I`m not at facebook and cannot ckeck this numbers but I checked BA`s media centre and bingo !
There the numbers are splitted up between BA and BA City Flyer. Given that BA does not have an aircraft to fly out of LCY these numbers are wrong ?
Another thing : BA will bring 4 A380s back to service wich will start to fly in December to MIA , LAX and DXB
https://mediacentre.britishairways.com/news/06102021/british-airways-to-welcome-back-its-a380-as-it-launches-its-biggest-schedule-since-march-2020?ref=News
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:25 pm

MaRoFu wrote:
No news on EWR-LHR? Now I’m starting to wonder if they’ve left for good at this point.


Starts November 1st. In the article it’s cited at NYC, well because it’s an NYC airport.
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:29 pm

VanBosch wrote:
That’s some schedule to Dublin from LCY - 68 per week - assume that 34 each direction?


Presumably that’s to take the capacity lost when CityJet/Aer Lingus exited LCY
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:34 pm

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    AUS, BNA, BWI, LAS, MCO, MSY, SAN, and TPA are confirmed for relaunch as well, but frequency wasn't given here (presuming less than daily for all)


AUS is resuming at 3x week on 789.
 
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Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:46 pm

BWI is bookable starting November 19 on a 787.
 
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MaRoFu wrote:
No news on EWR-LHR? Now I’m starting to wonder if they’ve left for good at this point.

EWR and JFK are listed together as NYC in this P.R.

LHR-EWR resumes November 1, 2021.
LCY-JFK is canceled.
LGW-JFK is canceled.



aviationjunky wrote:
LHR-LAS 1x daily starting November 1

In addition to that, scheduled LGW-LAS is also loaded to return on March 29, 2022.
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:24 am

PHL actually hasn't started yet. It looks like it comes back this week at ~3x weekly on a 788 and then up to 1x daily on the 789 in early November
 
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MSY will be restarting with 3x weekly service on a 788. Flights operate Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday.
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:13 am

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TPA-LGW resumes Nov 1st at 5x weekly except Tue and Fri.


With the draw down of European flights out of LGW, surprising to see that the Tampa flight along with the other long haul flights have not moved to LHR. LGW makes for an even a worse connection option now.
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:53 am

According to BA.com the third daily frequency on BOS-LHR (morning flight) restarts in December. I wonder if they’re only committing to 14 frequencies weekly for now or if it’s a misprint.
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:38 am

LAX772LR wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
The post is a bit vague on when those remaining routes will be starting. That is, it states: "We are set to fly to more destinations than any other transatlantic carrier and by December will be operating:....Re-starting routes to Austin, Orlando, Tampa, San Diego, Las Vegas, Baltimore, Nashville and New Orleans." Unclear if this means those routes start by December or just will be re-starting at some other point. My guess is some other point, but could be (hopefully) wrong.

AUS and SAN both restart October 13, 2021
MSY and BNA both restart December 9, 2021

Haven't bothered to look up the rest, but the dates are out there, just not in this specific P.R.


What's BA's draw to AUS, MSY, and BNA? Do the routes stand well on their own or is it partially tied to the local airport authorities forking over $$ as was the trend before COVID?

In other words, is there REALLY that much draw from the UK/Europe to Austin and Nashville or are they banking on US point of sale and a Brinks truck driven up to their HQ?
 
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DeltaRules wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
The post is a bit vague on when those remaining routes will be starting. That is, it states: "We are set to fly to more destinations than any other transatlantic carrier and by December will be operating:....Re-starting routes to Austin, Orlando, Tampa, San Diego, Las Vegas, Baltimore, Nashville and New Orleans." Unclear if this means those routes start by December or just will be re-starting at some other point. My guess is some other point, but could be (hopefully) wrong.

AUS and SAN both restart October 13, 2021
MSY and BNA both restart December 9, 2021

Haven't bothered to look up the rest, but the dates are out there, just not in this specific P.R.


What's BA's draw to AUS, MSY, and BNA? Do the routes stand well on their own or is it partially tied to the local airport authorities forking over $$ as was the trend before COVID?

In other words, is there REALLY that much draw from the UK/Europe to Austin and Nashville or are they banking on US point of sale and a Brinks truck driven up to their HQ?


Yes, there REALLY is that much demand. All 3 you mention have a major similar characteristic-major tourism. It’s not about cities forking over money. All three cities previously saw frequency and/or capacity upguaging. In fact, AUS saw the 744. Let’s not insult the capabilities of these cities.
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:31 am

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BoeingGuy wrote:
What’s left in the US? SJC, PIT, CHS, PDX.

Did I miss any? PDX never started. My understanding was BA was going to resume SJC. Is that not correct?

In North America:

    PIT, CHS, and YYC will not be returning. PDX never started, and is scratched.

    SJC is in the schedules to return March 27, 2022.



Do you think they will test routes to different US cities anytime soon? MCI and STL could use a BA flight.
 
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That’s some schedule to Dublin from LCY - 68 per week - assume that 34 each direction?


If you look bit closer, the frequencies are split between LHR and LCY. Same for AMS and BER.
 
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DeltaRules wrote:
What's BA's draw to AUS, MSY, and BNA?

Same as to any other city: a combination of business and leisure, with all three having a good mix of both.


DeltaRules wrote:
Do the routes stand well on their own or is it partially tied to the local airport authorities forking over $$ as was the trend before COVID?
In other words, is there REALLY that much draw from the UK/Europe to Austin and Nashville or are they banking on US point of sale and a Brinks truck driven up to their HQ?

A bit odd that you seem to be so heavily anticipating the answer to the question....

...though, it's actually "no."

MSY's airport authority for example, didn't pay any money to BA at all.
The only aid it gave was the normal startup assistance (temporarily relaxed landing/gate/service fees) that any new such carrier would be eligible to receive.

And BA themselves noted BNA as the fastest all-new gateway to reach net profitability, in their history.
 
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yyztpa2 wrote:
PI4EVR wrote:
TPA-LGW resumes Nov 1st at 5x weekly except Tue and Fri.


With the draw down of European flights out of LGW, surprising to see that the Tampa flight along with the other long haul flights have not moved to LHR. LGW makes for an even a worse connection option now.


I’d concur especially with LH dropping TPA to Eurowings they could make a play to zap up extra connecting traffic. That said, LGW-TPA service did seem to do okay with largely VFR traffic.
 
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graham697 wrote:
yyztpa2 wrote:
PI4EVR wrote:
TPA-LGW resumes Nov 1st at 5x weekly except Tue and Fri.


With the draw down of European flights out of LGW, surprising to see that the Tampa flight along with the other long haul flights have not moved to LHR. LGW makes for an even a worse connection option now.


I’d concur especially with LH dropping TPA to Eurowings they could make a play to zap up extra connecting traffic. That said, LGW-TPA service did seem to do okay with largely VFR traffic.



Lufthansa (Eurowings) is actually gonna be sending an aircraft with more seats now, specifically more lie-flat premium seats than pre pandemic mainline offered. BA for sure could be interested in siphoning off connections from BA and the now gone pre pandemic AMS nonstop on Delta.
 
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With the draw down of European flights out of LGW, surprising to see that the Tampa flight along with the other long haul flights have not moved to LHR. LGW makes for an even a worse connection option now.


Not surprising at all.

The LGW long haul network is there to serve the London leisure demand. BA does not need feed for these flights. O&D is more than enough. Gatwick short haul is generally poorly timed to feed these flights anyway. Gatwick short haul and long haul networks are 2 separate entities with little to do with each other.

The only reason some leisure flights were moved to Heathrow during the pandemic is slot availability, and the fact that LHR and LGW are not entirely overlapping catchment wise. Purely opportunistic. Once demand powers back up, expect that leisure traffic to be funnelled back through Gatwick.
 
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DeltaRules wrote:
What's BA's draw to AUS, MSY, and BNA?

Same as to any other city: a combination of business and leisure, with all three having a good mix of both.


I think that's right, but it surprises me a little bit that YYC isn't returning because there's sort of a similar dynamic there. I guess maybe the Canadian Rockies aren't a big draw for Europeans?
 
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I think that's right, but it surprises me a little bit that YYC isn't returning because there's sort of a similar dynamic there. I guess maybe the Canadian Rockies aren't a big draw for Europeans?


AC and WS fly YYC-London. So YYC already has service to LHR/LGW. Apart from British Airways, AUS, MSY and BNA do not have service to London. That is the main difference.

The Canadian Rockies are a very big draw for Europeans, mostly for Germans/Swiss. Edelweiss, Eurowings, Condor all plan to serve YYC next summer from those countries. AC as well, of course. So demand is there. Unfortunately, BA is ill suited to serve it. Virtually all their widebodies have a low density configuration and are too premium heavy. Canada, in general, isn't a premium heavy market, unlike the States.
 
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strangeplanes wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
What’s left in the US? SJC, PIT, CHS, PDX.

Did I miss any? PDX never started. My understanding was BA was going to resume SJC. Is that not correct?

In North America:

    PIT, CHS, and YYC will not be returning. PDX never started, and is scratched.

    SJC is in the schedules to return March 27, 2022.



Do you think they will test routes to different US cities anytime soon? MCI and STL could use a BA flight.


CMH could be in the conversation again given there's actually a focused air service fund in Ohio which wasn't in place before.
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:43 pm

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Cubsrule wrote:

I think that's right, but it surprises me a little bit that YYC isn't returning because there's sort of a similar dynamic there. I guess maybe the Canadian Rockies aren't a big draw for Europeans?


AC and WS fly YYC-London. So YYC already has service to LHR/LGW. Apart from British Airways, AUS, MSY and BNA do not have service to London. That is the main difference.

The Canadian Rockies are a very big draw for Europeans, mostly for Germans/Swiss. Edelweiss, Eurowings, Condor all plan to serve YYC next summer from those countries. AC as well, of course. So demand is there. Unfortunately, BA is ill suited to serve it. Virtually all their widebodies have a low density configuration and are too premium heavy. Canada, in general, isn't a premium heavy market, unlike the States.

That's changing over time as the BA B777-200s lose First and have a smaller Club World cabin.
 
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Cubsrule wrote:
it surprises me a little bit that YYC isn't returning because there's sort of a similar dynamic there. I guess maybe the Canadian Rockies aren't a big draw for Europeans?

Quite the opposite. YYC had four concurrent airlines (AC, WS, TS, BA) offering scheduled nonstops to LON before the pandemic. In addition to its other Euro services.

BA just didn't see the need to be a 4th wheel in a medium market; that 787 could make more money elsewhere.



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Apart from British Airways, AUS, MSY and BNA do not have service to London. That is the main difference.

Well, now AUS doesn't, but immediately prior to the pandemic, it had two carriers offering nonstop AUS-LON..... and still justified seasonal 747 service.

Its growth was explosive, especially for a market that (unlike MSY and BNA) had never even had a scheduled nonstop to Europe in its history, prior to BA's launch in 2014.

Heck, this was BA's second (but far more successful) time serving MSY nonstop. And BNA had nonstop LON service on AA through much of the '90s.
 
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Re: BA (finally) gives official clarity as to new/returning/canceled routes!

Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:11 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
it surprises me a little bit that YYC isn't returning because there's sort of a similar dynamic there. I guess maybe the Canadian Rockies aren't a big draw for Europeans?

Quite the opposite. YYC had four concurrent airlines (AC, WS, TS, BA) offering scheduled nonstops to LON before the pandemic. In addition to its other Euro services.

BA just didn't see the need to be a 4th wheel in a medium market; that 787 could make more money elsewhere.



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Apart from British Airways, AUS, MSY and BNA do not have service to London. That is the main difference.

Well, now AUS doesn't, but immediately prior to the pandemic, it had two carriers offering nonstop AUS-LON..... and still justified seasonal 747 service.

Its growth was explosive, especially for a market that (unlike MSY and BNA) had never even had a scheduled nonstop to Europe in its history, prior to BA's launch in 2014.

Heck, this was BA's second (but far more successful) time serving MSY nonstop. And BNA had nonstop LON service on AA through much of the '90s.


What was the second carrier for AUS-LON? Norwegian?
 
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Re: BA (finally) gives official clarity as to new/returning/canceled routes!

Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:22 pm

AAtakeMeAway wrote:
What was the second carrier for AUS-LON? Norwegian?

Correct.
 
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Re: BA (finally) gives official clarity as to new/returning/canceled routes!

Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:35 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
it surprises me a little bit that YYC isn't returning because there's sort of a similar dynamic there. I guess maybe the Canadian Rockies aren't a big draw for Europeans?

Quite the opposite. YYC had four concurrent airlines (AC, WS, TS, BA) offering scheduled nonstops to LON before the pandemic. In addition to its other Euro services.

BA just didn't see the need to be a 4th wheel in a medium market; that 787 could make more money elsewhere.


I understand the opportunity cost argument, but it doesn't seem entirely consistent with the thesis that tourism is part of the recipe for success in secondary US markets. BA ought to be a lot stronger for British/European point of sale than AC, TS, or WS. Maybe the point is really that you need good bidirectional tourism, and BA has to fight for the North America point of sale a lot more in a market like YYC than in the US markets we're discussing.
 
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Re: BA (finally) gives official clarity as to new/returning/canceled routes!

Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:48 pm

roberthuss wrote:
BA has loaded into the system for MCO-LHR 1x daily and MCO-LGW 1x daily (with some select Fridays, 2x) starting in November.

Was/Is MCO going to be served from LHR and LGW both ?
 
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Re: BA (finally) gives official clarity as to new/returning/canceled routes!

Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:14 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
I understand the opportunity cost argument, but it doesn't seem entirely consistent with the thesis that tourism is part of the recipe for success in secondary US markets. BA ought to be a lot stronger for British/European point of sale than AC, TS, or WS. Maybe the point is really that you need good bidirectional tourism, and BA has to fight for the North America point of sale a lot more in a market like YYC than in the US markets we're discussing.

Keep in mind for much of BA's time at YYC, they had WS as their partner; so it was a hub-hub routing with feed and hometown marketing on both ends.

Granted, that partnership had already ended before the pandemic, so IMO it's sorta amazing that BA lasted there thereafter as long as they did, considering the competition.

But apparently this market dip was more than they could justify.

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