In addition to services already operating or recently launched - ATL, DEN, IAD, PHL, PHX, SEA and YVR will be returning to daily.

AUS, BNA, BWI, LAS, MCO, MSY, SAN, and TPA are confirmed for relaunch as well, but frequency wasn't given here (presuming less than daily for all)

jbs2886 wrote:

The post is a bit vague on when those remaining routes will be starting. That is, it states: "We are set to fly to more destinations than any other transatlantic carrier and by December will be operating:....Re-starting routes to Austin, Orlando, Tampa, San Diego, Las Vegas, Baltimore, Nashville and New Orleans." Unclear if this means those routes start by December or just will be re-starting at some other point. My guess is some other point, but could be (hopefully) wrong.

BoeingGuy wrote:

What’s left in the US? SJC, PIT, CHS, PDX.

Did I miss any? PDX never started. My understanding was BA was going to resume SJC. Is that not correct?

PIT, CHS, and YYC will not be returning. PDX never started, and is scratched.

SJC is in the schedules to return March 27, 2022.

aviationjunky wrote:

LHR-IAD (Baltimore) has already restarted 2x daily

LAX772LR wrote:

aviationjunky wrote:

LHR-IAD (Baltimore) has already restarted 2x daily

IAD is Washington/Dulles.
BWI is Baltimore/Washington.

Co-terminals of the same metro area, but two separate airports.

LAX772LR wrote:

jbs2886 wrote:

The post is a bit vague on when those remaining routes will be starting. That is, it states: "We are set to fly to more destinations than any other transatlantic carrier and by December will be operating:....Re-starting routes to Austin, Orlando, Tampa, San Diego, Las Vegas, Baltimore, Nashville and New Orleans." Unclear if this means those routes start by December or just will be re-starting at some other point. My guess is some other point, but could be (hopefully) wrong.

AUS and SAN both restart October 13, 2021
MSY and BNA both restart December 9, 2021

Haven't bothered to look up the rest, but the dates are out there, just not in this specific P.R.

jbs2886 wrote:

LAX772LR wrote:

jbs2886 wrote:

The post is a bit vague on when those remaining routes will be starting. That is, it states: "We are set to fly to more destinations than any other transatlantic carrier and by December will be operating:....Re-starting routes to Austin, Orlando, Tampa, San Diego, Las Vegas, Baltimore, Nashville and New Orleans." Unclear if this means those routes start by December or just will be re-starting at some other point. My guess is some other point, but could be (hopefully) wrong.

AUS and SAN both restart October 13, 2021
MSY and BNA both restart December 9, 2021

Haven't bothered to look up the rest, but the dates are out there, just not in this specific P.R.

Thanks. I’m pleasantly surprised.

What they of course didn't show, was the net network benefit, which is guaranteed to be higher on most of the aforementioned, than on the newer routes.

B717fan wrote:

Any confirmation on what aircraft are going to be used on the LHR-DEN route?

LAX772LR wrote:

Increases from LCY to European ports, most notably 64 weekly to AMS

PANAMsterdam wrote:

LAX772LR wrote:

Increases from LCY to European ports, most notably 64 weekly to AMS

Sorry Britain

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/10/t ... ivers-nos/

MaRoFu wrote:

No news on EWR-LHR? Now I’m starting to wonder if they’ve left for good at this point.

LAX772LR wrote:
Increases from LCY to European ports, most notably 64 weekly to AMS, 68 weekly to DUB, and 36 weekly to BER

MaRoFu wrote:

No news on EWR-LHR? Now I’m starting to wonder if they’ve left for good at this point.

VanBosch wrote:

That’s some schedule to Dublin from LCY - 68 per week - assume that 34 each direction?

LAX772LR wrote:

AUS, BNA, BWI, LAS, MCO, MSY, SAN, and TPA are confirmed for relaunch as well, but frequency wasn't given here (presuming less than daily for all)

MaRoFu wrote:

No news on EWR-LHR? Now I’m starting to wonder if they’ve left for good at this point.

aviationjunky wrote:

LHR-LAS 1x daily starting November 1

PI4EVR wrote:

TPA-LGW resumes Nov 1st at 5x weekly except Tue and Fri.

LAX772LR wrote:

jbs2886 wrote:

The post is a bit vague on when those remaining routes will be starting. That is, it states: "We are set to fly to more destinations than any other transatlantic carrier and by December will be operating:....Re-starting routes to Austin, Orlando, Tampa, San Diego, Las Vegas, Baltimore, Nashville and New Orleans." Unclear if this means those routes start by December or just will be re-starting at some other point. My guess is some other point, but could be (hopefully) wrong.

AUS and SAN both restart October 13, 2021
MSY and BNA both restart December 9, 2021

Haven't bothered to look up the rest, but the dates are out there, just not in this specific P.R.

DeltaRules wrote:

LAX772LR wrote:

jbs2886 wrote:

The post is a bit vague on when those remaining routes will be starting. That is, it states: "We are set to fly to more destinations than any other transatlantic carrier and by December will be operating:....Re-starting routes to Austin, Orlando, Tampa, San Diego, Las Vegas, Baltimore, Nashville and New Orleans." Unclear if this means those routes start by December or just will be re-starting at some other point. My guess is some other point, but could be (hopefully) wrong.

AUS and SAN both restart October 13, 2021
MSY and BNA both restart December 9, 2021

Haven't bothered to look up the rest, but the dates are out there, just not in this specific P.R.

What's BA's draw to AUS, MSY, and BNA? Do the routes stand well on their own or is it partially tied to the local airport authorities forking over $$ as was the trend before COVID?

In other words, is there REALLY that much draw from the UK/Europe to Austin and Nashville or are they banking on US point of sale and a Brinks truck driven up to their HQ?

LAX772LR wrote:

BoeingGuy wrote:

What’s left in the US? SJC, PIT, CHS, PDX.

Did I miss any? PDX never started. My understanding was BA was going to resume SJC. Is that not correct?

In North America:

PIT, CHS, and YYC will not be returning. PDX never started, and is scratched.

SJC is in the schedules to return March 27, 2022.

VanBosch wrote:

That’s some schedule to Dublin from LCY - 68 per week - assume that 34 each direction?

DeltaRules wrote:

What's BA's draw to AUS, MSY, and BNA?

DeltaRules wrote:

Do the routes stand well on their own or is it partially tied to the local airport authorities forking over $$ as was the trend before COVID?
In other words, is there REALLY that much draw from the UK/Europe to Austin and Nashville or are they banking on US point of sale and a Brinks truck driven up to their HQ?

yyztpa2 wrote:

PI4EVR wrote:

TPA-LGW resumes Nov 1st at 5x weekly except Tue and Fri.

With the draw down of European flights out of LGW, surprising to see that the Tampa flight along with the other long haul flights have not moved to LHR. LGW makes for an even a worse connection option now.

graham697 wrote:

yyztpa2 wrote:

PI4EVR wrote:

TPA-LGW resumes Nov 1st at 5x weekly except Tue and Fri.

With the draw down of European flights out of LGW, surprising to see that the Tampa flight along with the other long haul flights have not moved to LHR. LGW makes for an even a worse connection option now.

I’d concur especially with LH dropping TPA to Eurowings they could make a play to zap up extra connecting traffic. That said, LGW-TPA service did seem to do okay with largely VFR traffic.

LAX772LR wrote:

DeltaRules wrote:

What's BA's draw to AUS, MSY, and BNA?

Same as to any other city: a combination of business and leisure, with all three having a good mix of both.

Cubsrule wrote:

I think that's right, but it surprises me a little bit that YYC isn't returning because there's sort of a similar dynamic there. I guess maybe the Canadian Rockies aren't a big draw for Europeans?

strangeplanes wrote:

LAX772LR wrote:

BoeingGuy wrote:

What’s left in the US? SJC, PIT, CHS, PDX.

Did I miss any? PDX never started. My understanding was BA was going to resume SJC. Is that not correct?

In North America:

PIT, CHS, and YYC will not be returning. PDX never started, and is scratched.

SJC is in the schedules to return March 27, 2022.

Do you think they will test routes to different US cities anytime soon? MCI and STL could use a BA flight.

Thenoflyzone wrote:

Cubsrule wrote:

I think that's right, but it surprises me a little bit that YYC isn't returning because there's sort of a similar dynamic there. I guess maybe the Canadian Rockies aren't a big draw for Europeans?

AC and WS fly YYC-London. So YYC already has service to LHR/LGW. Apart from British Airways, AUS, MSY and BNA do not have service to London. That is the main difference.

The Canadian Rockies are a very big draw for Europeans, mostly for Germans/Swiss. Edelweiss, Eurowings, Condor all plan to serve YYC next summer from those countries. AC as well, of course. So demand is there. Unfortunately, BA is ill suited to serve it. Virtually all their widebodies have a low density configuration and are too premium heavy. Canada, in general, isn't a premium heavy market, unlike the States.

Cubsrule wrote:

it surprises me a little bit that YYC isn't returning because there's sort of a similar dynamic there. I guess maybe the Canadian Rockies aren't a big draw for Europeans?

Thenoflyzone wrote:

Apart from British Airways, AUS, MSY and BNA do not have service to London. That is the main difference.

LAX772LR wrote:

Cubsrule wrote:

it surprises me a little bit that YYC isn't returning because there's sort of a similar dynamic there. I guess maybe the Canadian Rockies aren't a big draw for Europeans?

Quite the opposite. YYC had four concurrent airlines (AC, WS, TS, BA) offering scheduled nonstops to LON before the pandemic. In addition to its other Euro services.

BA just didn't see the need to be a 4th wheel in a medium market; that 787 could make more money elsewhere.

Thenoflyzone wrote:

Apart from British Airways, AUS, MSY and BNA do not have service to London. That is the main difference.

Well, now AUS doesn't, but immediately prior to the pandemic, it had two carriers offering nonstop AUS-LON..... and still justified seasonal 747 service.

Its growth was explosive, especially for a market that (unlike MSY and BNA) had never even had a scheduled nonstop to Europe in its history, prior to BA's launch in 2014.

Heck, this was BA's second (but far more successful) time serving MSY nonstop. And BNA had nonstop LON service on AA through much of the '90s.

AAtakeMeAway wrote:

What was the second carrier for AUS-LON? Norwegian?

LAX772LR wrote:

Cubsrule wrote:

it surprises me a little bit that YYC isn't returning because there's sort of a similar dynamic there. I guess maybe the Canadian Rockies aren't a big draw for Europeans?

Quite the opposite. YYC had four concurrent airlines (AC, WS, TS, BA) offering scheduled nonstops to LON before the pandemic. In addition to its other Euro services.

BA just didn't see the need to be a 4th wheel in a medium market; that 787 could make more money elsewhere.

roberthuss wrote:

BA has loaded into the system for MCO-LHR 1x daily and MCO-LGW 1x daily (with some select Fridays, 2x) starting in November.

Cubsrule wrote:

I understand the opportunity cost argument, but it doesn't seem entirely consistent with the thesis that tourism is part of the recipe for success in secondary US markets. BA ought to be a lot stronger for British/European point of sale than AC, TS, or WS. Maybe the point is really that you need good bidirectional tourism, and BA has to fight for the North America point of sale a lot more in a market like YYC than in the US markets we're discussing.