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ChrisKen wrote:The airfield apparently contravenes city ordinances which aren't governed by the FAA. The city won't have known/cared until the complaints arrived.
FlyingElvii wrote:ChrisKen wrote:The airfield apparently contravenes city ordinances which aren't governed by the FAA. The city won't have known/cared until the complaints arrived.
If he registered the strip with the FAA, the locals can’t do schit about it. If the strip existed before the area was put within town limits, the locals can’t do anything about it.
If you bought a home in the new subdivision next door, then freaked out when you saw a low flying plane overhead, sorry about your luck, should have done some due diligence.
Theses issues crop up all of the time, it is almost ALWAYS some Karen that bought a grand new house not realizing that the cool airplanes next door make noise.
faa-form-7480-1 wrote:Notification to the FAA does not waive the requirements of any other government
agency.
FlyingElvii wrote:ChrisKen wrote:The airfield apparently contravenes city ordinances which aren't governed by the FAA. The city won't have known/cared until the complaints arrived.
If he registered the strip with the FAA, the locals can’t do schit about it. If the strip existed before the area was put within town limits, the locals can’t do anything about it.
boacvc10 wrote:How is this possible given FAA should know what happens
GalaxyFlyer wrote:There’s something mildly suspicious—it’s been listed with the FAA as MY35 since opening in 2006. Odd, that 15 years later this is suddenly a problem, esp with the number of other small private airports around the MSP area, even in the Class B.
Polot wrote:boacvc10 wrote:How is this possible given FAA should know what happens
There are almost 15,000 private airports in the US. The FAA doesn’t have the time or the manpower to make sure all are legal and following all local laws and ordinances. When you register a private airport in they operate with the assumption that the owner is following all rules and regulations. If not and the airport gets shut down by local authorities the FAA will gladly deregister it.GalaxyFlyer wrote:There’s something mildly suspicious—it’s been listed with the FAA as MY35 since opening in 2006. Odd, that 15 years later this is suddenly a problem, esp with the number of other small private airports around the MSP area, even in the Class B.
It’s possible local rules and even jurisdiction has changed in the pass 15 years. As someone else stated when it comes to zoning and city ordinances like this things are not always grandfathered in forever. It’s possible rules/zoning was changed specifically to target the private airport.
GalaxyFlyer wrote:There’s something mildly suspicious—it’s been listed with the FAA as MY35 since opening in 2006. Odd, that 15 years later this is suddenly a problem, esp with the number of other small private airports around the MSP area, even in the Class B. We have a bunch here in New England, I was once surprised by the wail of Cessna 185 erupting from beyond a tree line while stopped on a bicycle ride. Sure enough, farmer had his plane and runway about 2 miles from a “real” airport.
hpff wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:There’s something mildly suspicious—it’s been listed with the FAA as MY35 since opening in 2006. Odd, that 15 years later this is suddenly a problem, esp with the number of other small private airports around the MSP area, even in the Class B. We have a bunch here in New England, I was once surprised by the wail of Cessna 185 erupting from beyond a tree line while stopped on a bicycle ride. Sure enough, farmer had his plane and runway about 2 miles from a “real” airport.
This article discusses how the airstrip been an ongoing problem with compliance since its construction in 2006:
https://www.twincities.com/2021/10/05/a ... neighbors/
He was first cited for violating the ordinance in 2006 and was required to plant a tree in the middle of the runway by a court in 2009, which clearly never happened, so it's actually hard to sympathise.
GalaxyFlyer wrote:hpff wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:There’s something mildly suspicious—it’s been listed with the FAA as MY35 since opening in 2006. Odd, that 15 years later this is suddenly a problem, esp with the number of other small private airports around the MSP area, even in the Class B. We have a bunch here in New England, I was once surprised by the wail of Cessna 185 erupting from beyond a tree line while stopped on a bicycle ride. Sure enough, farmer had his plane and runway about 2 miles from a “real” airport.
This article discusses how the airstrip been an ongoing problem with compliance since its construction in 2006:
https://www.twincities.com/2021/10/05/a ... neighbors/
He was first cited for violating the ordinance in 2006 and was required to plant a tree in the middle of the runway by a court in 2009, which clearly never happened, so it's actually hard to sympathise.
More facts in evidence, makes the complaint much more believable. I’m still sympathetic based on wide open spaces from the Google Earth view. There are thousands of private airports in the US, not big deal.
Aliqiout wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:hpff wrote:
This article discusses how the airstrip been an ongoing problem with compliance since its construction in 2006:
https://www.twincities.com/2021/10/05/a ... neighbors/
He was first cited for violating the ordinance in 2006 and was required to plant a tree in the middle of the runway by a court in 2009, which clearly never happened, so it's actually hard to sympathise.
More facts in evidence, makes the complaint much more believable. I’m still sympathetic based on wide open spaces from the Google Earth view. There are thousands of private airports in the US, not big deal.
There are thousands of land fills too, but would you say it was no big deal if one opened next door to your house in violation of the local zoning?
GalaxyFlyer wrote:Polot wrote:boacvc10 wrote:How is this possible given FAA should know what happens
There are almost 15,000 private airports in the US. The FAA doesn’t have the time or the manpower to make sure all are legal and following all local laws and ordinances. When you register a private airport in they operate with the assumption that the owner is following all rules and regulations. If not and the airport gets shut down by local authorities the FAA will gladly deregister it.GalaxyFlyer wrote:There’s something mildly suspicious—it’s been listed with the FAA as MY35 since opening in 2006. Odd, that 15 years later this is suddenly a problem, esp with the number of other small private airports around the MSP area, even in the Class B.
It’s possible local rules and even jurisdiction has changed in the pass 15 years. As someone else stated when it comes to zoning and city ordinances like this things are not always grandfathered in forever. It’s possible rules/zoning was changed specifically to target the private airport.
Possible, but the article makes it sound like the city ordinances has always been in effect and this isn’t a change. It’s also not clear in the link, whose ordinance it is—Afton or Washington County. If they changed the rule, he should have had a local board to hear the proposed rule change. If it’s always been a rule, why was it allowed for 15 years to operate? It’s pretty much out in the country, from the looks of it and there are many private airports operating nearby. I’m still thinking suspicious problem with typical media garbage reporting.
tax1k wrote:I looked at the google picture of the area and didn’t see any markings or hangars. At least 8 or 9 months of the year there’s at least a chance of getting some pretty nasty weather in that part of the world. I’ve been snowed in at MSP in May. So how big could this operation have been?
Aliqiout wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:hpff wrote:
This article discusses how the airstrip been an ongoing problem with compliance since its construction in 2006:
https://www.twincities.com/2021/10/05/a ... neighbors/
He was first cited for violating the ordinance in 2006 and was required to plant a tree in the middle of the runway by a court in 2009, which clearly never happened, so it's actually hard to sympathise.
More facts in evidence, makes the complaint much more believable. I’m still sympathetic based on wide open spaces from the Google Earth view. There are thousands of private airports in the US, not big deal.
There are thousands of land fills too, but would you say it was no big deal if one opened next door to your house in violation of the local zoning?
GalaxyFlyer wrote:tax1k wrote:I looked at the google picture of the area and didn’t see any markings or hangars. At least 8 or 9 months of the year there’s at least a chance of getting some pretty nasty weather in that part of the world. I’ve been snowed in at MSP in May. So how big could this operation have been?
There are thousands of these small “farnmer’s fields” across the country. Flying local trainers around Bangor, ME, I gave counting at six one lazy afternoon. There was one not far from me, most didn’t know it existed except for the owner with an old Super Cub.
GalaxyFlyer wrote:hpff wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:There’s something mildly suspicious—it’s been listed with the FAA as MY35 since opening in 2006. Odd, that 15 years later this is suddenly a problem, esp with the number of other small private airports around the MSP area, even in the Class B. We have a bunch here in New England, I was once surprised by the wail of Cessna 185 erupting from beyond a tree line while stopped on a bicycle ride. Sure enough, farmer had his plane and runway about 2 miles from a “real” airport.
This article discusses how the airstrip been an ongoing problem with compliance since its construction in 2006:
https://www.twincities.com/2021/10/05/a ... neighbors/
He was first cited for violating the ordinance in 2006 and was required to plant a tree in the middle of the runway by a court in 2009, which clearly never happened, so it's actually hard to sympathise.
More facts in evidence, makes the complaint much more believable. I’m still sympathetic based on wide open spaces from the Google Earth view. There are thousands of private airports in the US, not big deal.
Aaron747 wrote:Aliqiout wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:
More facts in evidence, makes the complaint much more believable. I’m still sympathetic based on wide open spaces from the Google Earth view. There are thousands of private airports in the US, not big deal.
There are thousands of land fills too, but would you say it was no big deal if one opened next door to your house in violation of the local zoning?
Not a valid comparison. You’re talking about a major health and safety hazard.