Antarius wrote:Here it is
And lord, it is amateurish.
That poor mammoth looks so lost.
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Antarius wrote:Here it is
And lord, it is amateurish.
Vctony wrote:Sky Harbor and Gateway (Phoenix). Although in this case the closer to downtown airport is still the main airport.
CMA727 wrote:From reliable but confidential sources I just learned that military administration of Santa Lucia Airport is getting rid of most of the civilian airport operations experts occuping management level positions to replace them with military officials, making it even more clear that the airport will be run as some sort of military unit. I don´t think that´s a wise move.
Chasensfo wrote:SFOThinker wrote:Surely Greater Mexico City, with a population over 20 million, can support 2 airports.
One would think, but I'm not so sure that the current airport will become anything beyond an LCC/regional hub a shadow of it's current size. Look at SBD, so many damn people in that part of SoCal and they can't get a single airline. The closest airport with regular airline service is ONT, and while ONT is growing, even they aren't nearly as big as you'd expect given how many millions of people live in the area closest to that airport. There are a lot of rich people in MEX, but there are also many, many, many more who will never have enough money at once for a plane ticket.
CMA727 wrote:More than once, MEX and TLC have been compared to MIA and FLL, as some premium passengers find the other airport more convenient than the major one (some of the times).Greater Mexico City will need a 75+ million passenger a year airport capacity offering withing the next 10 years. The problem is that MEX will soon return to saturation levels. As long as MEX is an alternative very few, if any passengers will choose Santa Lucía or Toluca over it. (Montreal Dorval vs Mirabel effect). The solution WAS the Texcoco airport now cancelled and destroyed. The only reasonable solution nowadays is for MEX to close and to optimize capacity at both Santa Lucía and Toluca to take care of current demand. My question is how´s the future demand going to be taken cared for? Who´s going to be forced to use Santa Lucía or Toluca if MEX is not closed?
Flaps wrote:Multiple airports in very large cities are not such a problem so long as domestic and international traffic are co-mingled. Its when you limit international operations to one airport and domestic to another that things get dicey. For example JFK and EWR both have extensive international and domestic operations. Regardless of airport chosen you have a lot of connecting options. Montreal with YUL and YMX was a good of example of the opposite extreme. In very large cities such as MEX and several places in China the markets are large enough to have two airports with co-mingled traffic. MEX may not be quite there yet but it certainly has the potential.
chunhimlai wrote:What do i miss and whats the news for that airport recently?
usdcaguy wrote:Flaps wrote:Multiple airports in very large cities are not such a problem so long as domestic and international traffic are co-mingled. Its when you limit international operations to one airport and domestic to another that things get dicey. For example JFK and EWR both have extensive international and domestic operations. Regardless of airport chosen you have a lot of connecting options. Montreal with YUL and YMX was a good of example of the opposite extreme. In very large cities such as MEX and several places in China the markets are large enough to have two airports with co-mingled traffic. MEX may not be quite there yet but it certainly has the potential.
JFK still has a fraction of the domestic operations EWR has. A number of smaller cities only have service or decent frequency at LGA, so people will still take a bus from LGA to JFK to connect to international. That is exactly what MEX doesn't need; an airport with tons of international operations with a paltry selection of domestic flights. I would hope that if you're going to have two full-service airports in MEX that airlines choose one or the other. Otherwise, split operations are going to be bad for passengers.
chunhimlai wrote:What do i miss and whats the news for that airport recently?
CMA727 wrote:https://a21.com.mx/aerolineas/2021/10/27/se-compromete-volaris-volar-desde-el-aifa
Link in spanish, but I reads thar Volaris has confirmed they will operate a dialy flight out of new Santa Lucía airport (NLU) to both Tijuana and Cancun.
This not surprising for Volaris TIJ and CUN markets cater to those 4+ million persons living the vecinity of NLU, including cities such as Pachuca and Tulancingo un the state of Hildalgo. In fact should I decide to fly with my Tulancingo resident children either to TIJ or CUN in the future I will definetly benefict from NLU location as long as airfares and schedules are convenient to us.
This in no big victory for NLU for Volaris is looking at the new airport the same way it kooks other regional airports such as Queretaro and not as the real and viable alternative to MEX as current goverment sees it.
NLU is struggling to attract airlines and will continue to be in that position as long as MEX is still an option for the great mayority of Valley of Mexico market.
I am afraid NLU will remain a very severe burden on mexican govermen finances as paying back what´s been invested not only construcing it but also canceling Texcoco airport means a lot lot lot of money even in global terms. Therefore, as much as NLU gets a few flights. its economics, just the way it happens at most of mexican airports and many medium size ones will always be a challenge.
piedmontf284000 wrote:CMA727 wrote:https://a21.com.mx/aerolineas/2021/10/27/se-compromete-volaris-volar-desde-el-aifa
Link in spanish, but I reads thar Volaris has confirmed they will operate a dialy flight out of new Santa Lucía airport (NLU) to both Tijuana and Cancun.
This not surprising for Volaris TIJ and CUN markets cater to those 4+ million persons living the vecinity of NLU, including cities such as Pachuca and Tulancingo un the state of Hildalgo. In fact should I decide to fly with my Tulancingo resident children either to TIJ or CUN in the future I will definetly benefict from NLU location as long as airfares and schedules are convenient to us.
This in no big victory for NLU for Volaris is looking at the new airport the same way it kooks other regional airports such as Queretaro and not as the real and viable alternative to MEX as current goverment sees it.
NLU is struggling to attract airlines and will continue to be in that position as long as MEX is still an option for the great mayority of Valley of Mexico market.
I am afraid NLU will remain a very severe burden on mexican govermen finances as paying back what´s been invested not only construcing it but also canceling Texcoco airport means a lot lot lot of money even in global terms. Therefore, as much as NLU gets a few flights. its economics, just the way it happens at most of mexican airports and many medium size ones will always be a challenge.
I thought the Mexican government already confirmed that ULCC will operate all new routes from NLU and none will be given slots at MEX going forward in a bid to relieve congestion at MEX?
CarlosSi wrote:Though I admit there's nothing really "evil" about reducing slots and higher landing fees. Airports/governments do it all the time, no?
MIflyer12 wrote:CarlosSi wrote:Though I admit there's nothing really "evil" about reducing slots and higher landing fees. Airports/governments do it all the time, no?
It drives up fares for passengers, making air travel more of a luxury good. Is that what you want?
nine4nine wrote:It’s a shame the new airport project stopped. MEX is a total dump. T1 is worn out narrow and cramped, T2 is like being inside a dark block of Swiss cheese (if you’ve been you know what I mean) and both feel like prisons with very little windows or outside natural light coming in.
MIflyer12 wrote:CarlosSi wrote:Though I admit there's nothing really "evil" about reducing slots and higher landing fees. Airports/governments do it all the time, no?
It drives up fares for passengers, making air travel more of a luxury good. Is that what you want?
nine4nine wrote:It’s a shame the new airport project stopped. MEX is a total dump. T1 is worn out narrow and cramped, T2 is like being inside a dark block of Swiss cheese (if you’ve been you know what I mean) and both feel like prisons with very little windows or outside natural light coming in.
AM744 wrote:For now, it looks more of a publicity stunt. As long as MEX is is service, NLU won't work out IMO. Also, having the new airport being built and operated by the Army just feels wrong.
santi319 wrote:A Taxi/Uber ride to the new Santa Lucia Airport is going for a little under $1000 pesos ($50usd) and a 2 hour drive. No one is going to pay that, they will just pay the “higher price” and convienence of MEX.
airlinenavigato wrote:santi319 wrote:A Taxi/Uber ride to the new Santa Lucia Airport is going for a little under $1000 pesos ($50usd) and a 2 hour drive. No one is going to pay that, they will just pay the “higher price” and convienence of MEX.
According to rome2rio.com there is a direct bus from the city to the Santa Lucia Airport for 3 USD.
airlinenavigato wrote:santi319 wrote:A Taxi/Uber ride to the new Santa Lucia Airport is going for a little under $1000 pesos ($50usd) and a 2 hour drive. No one is going to pay that, they will just pay the “higher price” and convienence of MEX.
According to rome2rio.com there is a direct bus from the city to the Santa Lucia Airport for 3 USD.
Ulisesrguez wrote:That must be totally wrong, as the new roadway to the airport isn't even finished yet, so there are no bus or car service that can reach this "airport" yet.
airlinenavigato wrote:Ulisesrguez wrote:That must be totally wrong, as the new roadway to the airport isn't even finished yet, so there are no bus or car service that can reach this "airport" yet.
According to rome2rio.com it's a regional bus that stops at the access road of the airport.
When the airport is finished, why shouldn't there be a non-stop bus connection from the city??
airlinenavigato wrote:Ulisesrguez wrote:That must be totally wrong, as the new roadway to the airport isn't even finished yet, so there are no bus or car service that can reach this "airport" yet.
According to rome2rio.com it's a regional bus that stops at the access road of the airport.
When the airport is finished, why shouldn't there be a non-stop bus connection from the city??
airlinenavigato wrote:Budget travellers care less about the travel time to the airport.
'Depressing' is an individual opinion and not a fact.
Ulisesrguez wrote:I am not saying there wouldn't be any bus routes in the future, but I say it again, there cannot be any bus at the moment, as there is not an access road to the airport yet, so either rome2rio.com has wrong data or they're selling a scam.
airlinenavigato wrote:Ulisesrguez wrote:I am not saying there wouldn't be any bus routes in the future, but I say it again, there cannot be any bus at the moment, as there is not an access road to the airport yet, so either rome2rio.com has wrong data or they're selling a scam.
An access road leads to an airport. It does not mean, that the current bus stops at the terminal. Here is were the regional bus stops: https://www.google.de/maps/place/19.747 ... 733642,18z
But that's not important anyway, as the airport surely gonna get a non-stop bus connection to the terminal.
Paying 3 USD or let it even be 5-10 USD to the airport is nothing compared to possible big savings by not flying from MEX.
Viva Aerobus also gonna fly from Santa Lucia
https://thecanadian.news/2021/10/28/viv ... os-zuazua/
santi319 wrote:airlinenavigato wrote:Ulisesrguez wrote:I am not saying there wouldn't be any bus routes in the future, but I say it again, there cannot be any bus at the moment, as there is not an access road to the airport yet, so either rome2rio.com has wrong data or they're selling a scam.
An access road leads to an airport. It does not mean, that the current bus stops at the terminal. Here is were the regional bus stops: https://www.google.de/maps/place/19.747 ... 733642,18z
But that's not important anyway, as the airport surely gonna get a non-stop bus connection to the terminal.
Paying 3 USD or let it even be 5-10 USD to the airport is nothing compared to possible big savings by not flying from MEX.
Viva Aerobus also gonna fly from Santa Lucia
https://thecanadian.news/2021/10/28/viv ... os-zuazua/
Volaris even had a FREE bus from Metro Mexico City to TLC and people still chose to fly from MEX… and TLC was actually closer than Santa Lucia..
airlinenavigato wrote:Budget travellers care less about the travel time to the airport.
'Depressing' is an individual opinion and not a fact.
Trip wrote:In typical daytime traffic, how long is it likely to take to get to the new airport from CDMX Centro?
hloutweg wrote:I’d like to share some pictures of something the military and party-in-power legislators are so proud of
SRQLOT wrote:The third article states that the site of the Texcoco is already sinking??? So if a terminal would have been built there how bad could it have gotten???
LAXintl wrote:I have colleagues working down at the new airport since early December getting the IT (common use, FIDS, backend ops) all set up.
From what I see in their weekly reports things are going well. Acceptance testing is planned to start in February, and by March airlines will start moving in and commence staff training at the airport in preparation for inauguration.